Poseur lawyer; everybody is SF
Jeff sent us a link to a lawyer’s webpage in which Kelly Gamble (Murphy) makes the claim that she and her husband were assigned to a Special Forces unit;
I met my husband (also an Army Veteran) while finishing my last overseas tour of duty in 1988 – we were both were [sic] assigned to a Special Operations unit.
Jeff tells me that he was in the same unit as Kelly, back in the California Reserves in Oakland and he doesn’t remember anyone in his unit being assigned to Special Forces. They were in a civil affairs battalion, which could have had dealings with Special Forces units, but as an assigned member?
And her records don’t bear that out either;
Sure all Special Forces A Teams have a veterinary food inspector assigned to them, it’s as important a job as the weapons, demo, commo and medical team members. Who else is going to check the food of the Team’s puppies and kittens?
Gamble makes the point of telling her prospective clients how she is proud of her 11 years of service and then she pulls the “Special Operations” thing out. Apparently, she wasn’t proud enough to refrain from pulling the Special Operations shit out.
Jeff says that he warned her to pull that reference off of her website before he wrote to us. I guess she doesn’t know what dicks we are…until now.
Category: Phony soldiers
Hogg and friends must really be happy that the USS Cole bombing mastermind is going on trial by the military at Guantanamo in 30 days, especially since they voted for all that. Oh, wait…
Bailey you’re a fucking moron. Keep getting on here and talking tough, sounds pretty funny coming from a guy who let Julian Assange punk him the fuck out.
Luchy Zien is JUST good. It’s not “its all good”.
King, I didn’t “let” him do anything. Jackass put classified material on the internet. I like talking tough, but I also like being tough. Would you like me to kick in your door to prove I can?
Lucky I worked with A CA unit when I was in Kurdistan. Great story E-mail me sometime I’ll tell you about it.
FO: I would have to say it would be funny as hell to se Sharptom Watters, Jackson or Farakahn try to play the Race card against West Cain and Rice.
I like talking tough, but I also like being tough.
I really get a kick out of you guys on this site thinking you are all such bad asses, I have seen pictures of you Doc Bailey you might want to lose 50 pounds and be able to walk a mile without taking a break before you call yourself tough. Just an observation
Keep running your mouth tubby. We both know that you don’t pose a threat to anything that isn’t a buffet table or a boys locker room.
@248: That you brag about driving a Prius doesn’t surprise me. I bet you think that you’re doing such a wonderful thing for the environment, yet you’re too stupid to understand that the manufacture of the battery pack does more harm to the environment than the meager benefits of gas savings, which, when calculated out, doesn’t overcome the extra money paid over a comparable all gas vehicle. IOW; you pay more for less; typical lefty.
Kinda like your messiah’s jobs plans where it was recently calculated that each job allegedly created cost us taxpayers $2.8 mil. Wow! Talk about a great ROI (that’s return on investment, since I know you aren’t smart enough to figure that out)!
Doc, thanks for the correction, and know we all aren’t retarded lol. Whats your email? You can probably forward it to me through TSO
You drive a Prius? OMG! That settles it- You have OD’d on the Kool-ade. LOL
Hey, a phony Airsoft commando driving a Prius is a lot more badass than Schepansky pretending to be a SF Major who drives a Kia.
Well, no, actually it isn’t–they’re both pretty gay.
Oh wow I am being insulted for trying to help the environment I like riding my bike and being outside maybe you guys should try it sometime instead of shoveling fast food down your gullets!!
@246: Oh wow. No, you are being insulted for being a typical leftist thinking that you are trying to help the environment without actually doing so, which was pointed out to you, and ignoring those sticky little things called facts.
Why is it that every condescending, arrogant, leftist thinks that only they like riding a bike and being outside and that anyone who points out the obvious flaws in their twisted version of what constitutes being environmentally aware is somehow eating Mickey Ds?
You need to find some new one liners, because if this is all you can come up with, you suck at it.
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OG, I’ll give you this much–you’re that determined little puppy who keeps coming back even after every time you show up all you get is a nice swift kick.
Granted, your continuing insistence on shitting on the rug every time you show up might be the overriding factor on why you keep getting kicked, but hey, even us sadistic fuckers need a laugh every now and then.
Doc baily what team were you on in Kurdistan? Were you with the PUK or the KDP?
OG…its snivel affairs not SOF
What a crock! As if “environmentalism” is something new – discovered by the left. No, it wasn’t. Normal, sane folks have aways done what they can to keep the air and the water safe. Because, you know, like, it’s just the right thing to do.
The new wrinkle is that a group of gullible idiots are buying the contrived crap that algore et al spew for no reason other than to line their own pockets. (With cash, not fuzzy bunnies.)
It’s a SCAM! Pardon us for not buying into the scam which is actually dangerous for those pretending they are doing something good for society.
And, not to start a row or anything, but almost everything on and in OG’s Prius, and bicycle, and the computer she insults us on, comes from two sources: mining or a chemical laboratory.
“I am being insulted for trying to help the environment”
Typical leftist reaction. Trying to fix something without knowing what they are doing. Prius’ are proven to do more harm to the environment than help, just like CFL’s, Ethanol, Bio-fuel, non of which are helpful, and proven harmful.
Do all Prius’ leave the dealer with an Obumbler bumper sticker? Don’t recall seeing one without it, but then, paying attention to Hippiemobiles is not my favorite pastime.
So Doc B? What ODA were you on?
11 Booze, What pictures of me have you seen? and if you have seen pictures of me, what was I doing? and I guarantee you haven’t seen any of me in the past year.
OG You do realize you’d have to drive something like 500,000 miles to make a difference with a prius. You do know this right? Oh and their batteries are HORRIBLY toxic and dangerous to dispose of.
Scotty: I wasn’t on an ODA, the CA team i went with for like two missions. Eventful missions. I was covering for them, cuz their medic (or CLS guy) got Appendicitis. The SF experience I had was type that you don’t ask who they are, you just do the mission. Though I did learn a lot from an 18 Delta named “storm” Actually learned a lot for my own medical skills, and he *tried* to teach me Thai stick fighting and *did* teach a lot of BRM.
I ve never heard any one in Group named “storm” who does thi stick fighting. Are you sure you arent really “snake eyes” or mcsoulpatch here to get more stories for your schtick. What are your bonifidies?
Scotty; Doc Bailey’s bona fides have been laid out right here on several occasions, including during the whole Assange crap.
So he is another CA master who likes to be painted with the spec ops brush. I never heard of an 18D named Storm. I guess I could email Rocky Farr and ask him if he knows but its seems far to tedious for me to give a crap. Really Id like the snivel affairs guy to come kick in my door. That would be a hoot. god save me from keyboard commandos
Honestly who learns Thai stick fighting from a nebulous SF medic named “Storm”, in Kurdistan, no less then has the cahones to blabber about that online…..ha aha ha. Shit sheik Alu’s boys would roll him up and use him for a chai boy if he ever went there.
Honestly, The best thing about this site is the final four brackets of the posers. Whoever dreamed that up is a genius
I think the whole site is pretty good. But I agree on the brackets of posers being genius. Semper Fi…Real Marine in Hel(l)mand Province
No, Scotty, he’s not a CA master. Look at his name on here and it will give you a clue as to what his MOS was/is.
Yes i got that he is a regular army medic who went on a couple of missions for the CAmedic who had appendicitis. Does that make you SOF
As in the SF imperative
SOF forces can not be mass produced
Well I realize that General parker tried his best to ruin that one. My favorite quote from him was “hey guys I realize I said it wasnt about the numbers, but its about the numbers”
So, I digress, someone needs to educate me on what constitutes a Special Operations soldier sailor airman or marine? Where do you draw the line? Is it just the operators? Is it the people assigned to the various groups /battalions/ teams in SOCOM?
Everyone who works for Adm. McRaven including all the civillians / cooks / comptrollers in Tampastan?
Or even more nefariously, is it possibly, everyone who has deployed in support of spc ops? Howabout,I go one further. All the fobbits who have seen one downrange? honestly just because you arent in the final four bracket in you super shiny green beret with MSG Soup sandwich doesnt mean you are not a poser when you mis represent youself, a la the lady that this post is about and all of her defenders. Its simple…wanna be SOF? …SOF recruiters everywhere, even online. rangers, Seals, PJs SF, MARSOF…they all have em…get cracking…otherwise Please be satisfied (or not)with the life you have and stop embellishing.
@282: Hey! I did stay at a holiday Inn Express last night 😛
So, Scotty, are you saying that the objection to the use of the term Special Operations in the OP was perhaps a toe on or very slightly over the line with it’s (perhaps) suggestion of permanent assignment in a career field which doesn’t quite live up to the suggestion?
Or, Scotty, are you just not reading what was written and want to argue over something which wasn’t said by Doc Bailey?
If I told you that I walked down the street the other day with an attorney, would you take that as I am claiming to be a lawyer?
After all this, we have still not resolved the conflict that many of us here expressed. That website post may or may not have been intended to deceive. It is accurate to say that it appears to be technically correct AND is the sort of thing folks often say to leave a false impression. Which was Ms. Gamble intending? I dunno and likely never will.
What we all DO know is that instead of coming here, reading that many of us were rationally arguing the merits of what is posted on her website, she instead called us “haters” and such. Not a convincing argument to those of us who were until then willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.
This was a tough lesson I had to learn when I was assigned to CA a while back. Starting in 19th Group, Utah National Guard in 1974, I assumed Special Forces were the guys wearing the green things on their head instead of a baseball cap and had MOS’s like (then) 11B4S, 31C4S, 11F4S, eventually becoming 18 series in 1983. Boy was I wrong. Today everyone want to be a special opearator. Thus you now have JSOC which includes Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, military and civilian. They all get to claim the title of Special Operations. Special Opearations includes both Civil Affairs and Pyschology (my bad spelling, no one elses) Operations. There is still only one Special Forces however and those are the guys that carry the 18 series MOS and are authorized the SF tab on their uniforms. A lot of the older guys from Group end their service in the 95th Civil Affairs as the skills learned and practiced in Group transfer directly to skills learned in Civil Affairs. CA is handled through the Warfare Center at Bragg, not through JSOC. So claiming assignment to CA and thus Special Operations/Forces my sound misleading it is technically correct.
Scotty I never said I was CA OR SF I’ve WORKED with them. HUGE difference. I try to make it very clear what I have and have not done, but if you’re confused any I have no problem clearing that up. I’m not a poser, just cuz I worked with them doesn’t make me one of them. Had a shit ton of fun and would work with both again in a heartbeat.
I was a line medic in an infantry unit. Does that make me infantry? No. I don’t like this lady because 1). The job is hard enough without being “played up”
2). Civvies won’t know any better and will assume she was one of THOSE special operations guys
3). Even if you do a POG ass MOS like laundry service or latrine cleaner, YOU SERVED YOUR DAMN COUNTRY! if you get out wit an Honorable Discharge, that SHOULD be enough. I don’t mind playing a few rounds of “my ops are blacker than yours” over drinks at the VFW but at the end of the day we all took THE SAME FUCKING OATH!!!
If that does not make my position abundantly clear I don’t know what will
Who is Scotty? Talks a lot of smack that’s for sure. I imagine that there are quite a few guys that are in 1st Group that know a bit about stick fighting. And there are teams out there that go by nicknames as SOP even with our own conventional forces. Doc’s account doesn’t sound at all out of the ordinary to me. And by the way Scotty, that “snivel affairs” comment was pretty childish. Talk about keyboard warriors. I dare you to walk into one of the battalions at Bragg and lay that gem on them.
I’m a SEAL, Nijna, Recon, Paratrooper-Pathfinder, Ranger, Bad ass etc. But most of all… I’m Special Operations! Those that read this and are in “the know”… know what I mean by the “Special Operations” claim! On another note 300? And I don’t mean F-1! Those that can’t decipher… you don’t need to know because you will never know (eg Bad Gamble!).
No apologize.. calling a spade a spade… keep’in it real on the Yuengling level!
Ok doc bailey I got that. Its cool, i got your I served thing..me too. I guess as ive never been in 1st group i wouldnt know about the stick fighting. But having been in the community since 1989 i dont think any but a pure cherry or poser would bragg about his stick fighting skills and call himself storm….unless it was a variation of his last name. And the stick fighting was a PT distraction fun day. Not to denigrate any thinskinned folks out there but it chaps a few that some ride the coat tails of operators, but most guys ( notice I said guys not guys and gals) are indifferent. Problem is, when you see a news report of “special forces” soldier robs mc donalds/bank/deals drugs/beats up granny its not usually an operator , its some one who works at the chow hall/ works in supply/ commo support….ect. Therein lies the rub. They disgrace the regiment, group, team and they are esentially summer help. Usually providing a vital service so the operator can accomplish the mission with few distractions but summer help none the less. Usually no selection process so as with most of the military, you get the joe you get. And to Anon, I am glad to go to the green beret club in bragg and call them snivel affairs because most of the patrons of said bar on smoke bomb hill are now CA civil affairs soldiers as their battailions sit next to it and they have essentially taken it over. Thats ok they know its true…ask one
Scotty: Um Dude I’m not sure you’re getting this. I never said I dealt with first group, or any group. I didn’t ask which group they were. The guy I worked with was a cool guy and he taught me all sorts of things. The thing I remember MOST was the stick fighting, but there was also BRM and medical skills. since we shared the small ghetto gym (along with an Arty Battery and an infantry company) I got to work out with The Medic and the Commo Guy. I only ever knew “Storm’s” name.
Like I’ve said before and many times since I’ve WORKED with them. Never said I was one of them. Never said I went through their training. Not really sure what you’re bitching or shit talking about.
Not bitchin or shit talking.. Got no beef with you. I have one with the scum sucking bittom dweller…excuse me female lawer who I am sure is profiting off of good folks misery and using the fact that she was associated with SOF to increase her (im sure) over inflated fees. And then she has time to come and trash talk here about it. Shouldnt she be screwing som guy out of seeing his children or jacking up child support or something. I stumbled here to laugh at the posers on the fantasy four bracket and thought you might be snake eyes here to have another round of delusion. I suspect two types gravitate here. Those who have or are serving and wanna bes. Thats all. The grey area are the ones who have or are serving and misrepresent because they were not satisfied witht he path they chose.
Stuff gets murky very quickly when trying to explain a complex situation in brief sentances or phrases.
The bottom line for me remains – how should she have explained it instead of how she did? I know my father simply explained his service as “career Army” or “professional Army” when in casual introductory type of conversation. I pretty much follow his pattern.
If you would overhear a conversation between me and some of the pilots with whom I have worked, you might get the idea that I know how to fly a plane. Because I do. But I never have claimed to have flown military aircraft in spite of knowing my way around an instrument panel, as do lots of other folks who are also not military pilots and don’t claim to be.
So what, you might ask? Well, since the aircraft in which I soloed is one which very few pilots will/can fly, it gets me a lot of cred, and the occasional free drink. It’s the truth, sure, but not one I share routinely because it would not be understood correctly by most folks on the street.
Sounds like Doc Bailey was padding his “resume” How is your buddy “Storm” Isn’t that an X-Men Character?
Sounds like it’s Baileys alter ego when he goes down to his local watering hole.
um, who cares?
Late, and for what it’s worth: I think OWB nailed it in posts 284 and 292 above. The situation here is complex and difficult to explain in “bullet points”. Yes, the lady is being technically correct. She’s IMO also taking advantage of the ignorance of the general public to be misleading. I’ve seen this described as the ultimate lie: telling the exact, God’s honest truth, but doing so in a way that leaves the listener with a very different impression.
I’ll give you a non-hypothetical situation that’s even better: in the early 1980s, US Army Special Forces had a support battalion, plus operational battalions. The support battalion folks generally hadn’t been through SFQC; the operational folks almost to a man had. How should the folks assigned to the support battalion represent themselves? After all, they WERE actually assigned to a Special Forces unit – but only a few had been in teams and had been SF “operators”. What counted: Q-course? Team experience? Assignment? Deploying on a mission?
Oh, and ObamaGirl: might want to keep quiet. Better to keep one’s mouth shut and be thought a fool than open it and remove all doubt.
Late but as I understand it they should qualify it. As you say they are intentionally misleading the facts.
Even guys from that time would say that you should call out whether or not you were awarded the green beret and tab. Just because a 92Y was assigned to a SF support battalion does not mean they were SF.
For what it’s worth, Steadfast&Loyal: in the early 1980s everybody assigned to SF groups at Fort Bragg wore the green beret and the appropriate SF Group ID disk behind their jump wings. People who’d been through SFQC wore the full group flash on the beret. People who had not been to SFQC wore a smaller unit ID bar (“candy stripe”) beneath their rank or unit crest.
This was before the day of the SF Tab – but it was still easy to see at a glance who was and wasn’t SF qualified by simply looking at their beret to see if it had a flash or a “stripe”.
I agree that the qualification needs to be made by non-SF qualified personnel assigned. But it’s a fine distinction IMO nonetheless, because the individuals WERE assigned to a SF unit. I always thought the best way to handle that was for such individuals to say explicitly that they were assigned to 5th/7th/10th Group, but in a support role vice as operators.
wow. Now I know what Ms. Gamble has doing this whole time when she should have been working. Instead of concerning herself with her clients cases, like my friends case, she’s out in the cyber netherworld arguing bullshit points about word association and comprehension. I am not a vet but I want to thank all of here who served, regardless if some of you don’t see eye to eye on some things. Please know that YOU ALL have my undying gratitude for your sacrifices. Getting back to Ms. Gamble, I know I’m a little off topic here. The blog is about her “very careful choice of words” to describe her military service on her website. I am a “typical” civilian and would have made the mistake of thinking that she was Green Beret’s, Rangers, Black Ops, SEALS, etc. had she not been called out on her choice of words, read: Bullshit. What I want to say, and I’ll say it quick, has to do with how her frame of mind spills over into what her chosen profession is. Lawyer. She is a star less than a mediocre lawyer, at best. Check out her Yelp reviews. She isn’t a BBB accredited practice (at least I can’t find her on their website) but I can’t find any complaints lodged against her on the State Bar of California’s web site. I suppose it’s easier and much more efficient to warn others about anyone in venues like this. Thank you Jonn Lilyea, COB6 and TSO for providing this space to post our opinions on your topics. @Ms. Gamble — Call who you want and report what you want. There isn’t anything you or anyone can do about what is going on here but you are creating great entertainment, if not more enemies, I must say. But you may proceed in a futile attempt to CAP LOCK, name call and threaten us to death. Your threats are something I’m prepared for. And I don’t need military training. Ms Gamble, see how “word association” can be a wonderful game? I just let on that you threatened… Read more »
As the resident Civil Affairs lurker on here, I must again comment… she was not assignec directly to an ODA, she may have been ADCON or OPCON to them, but not fulltime, only for a deployment, but such things are not commonplace anymore, and CA on the RC side of the house won’t return to SOF for at least one fiscal year… My read? She’s full of shit, then again, she’s a CA Officer… I’ll do some checking down at HHC USACAPOC and see what shakes loose…
Her website has been updated… The photo TAH posted is old.
http://www.kellygamble.com/About.html
CA and PSYOP is full of shit birds claiming SOF status. I am a former PSYOP guy, with time at 8th BN (Strategic Level) and direct support to Infantry BN’s. Lots of O-4 and above in CA with no deployments to a combat zone (boondoggle deployments to Caribean and Africa). Hunter Ligget is full of horrible CA/PsyOp Field Grades and SNCO’s. MAJ Haney was an utter failure as a Captain, so she got moved from East Coast to West Coast and promoted to Major to keep her from crying the blues. Lots of Reserve CA/PsyOp Officers with SOCOM/USASOC/SF combat patches that they made drug deals with S-1 to get orders for. I left PsyOp after 12 years service because i was disgusted by the CAPOC leadership. This Poser Lawyer is one of many Valor Thieves in the CAPOC community.
@11 2/17 was spot on. In the civilian mind when you say Special Ops in invokes the thought of SF, Delta, Ranger, etc. She may be technically correct in her wording but as most lawyers know how to word things the way it looks the best, especially for her. She should have expanded on her actual career duties. She served and that is honorable but to leave out the important, fulfilling details of the truth is more than misleading. So I still say she leaves the impression as an embellisher. I won’t say she is posing, just not telling the whole story.
She did change the wording to accurately reflect her service. If you want to see real oxygen thieves, check the AGR staff at the Reserve CA CMD/BDE’s and PsyOp Groups/BN’s. disgusting creatures, i tell ya.