Poseur lawyer; everybody is SF
Jeff sent us a link to a lawyer’s webpage in which Kelly Gamble (Murphy) makes the claim that she and her husband were assigned to a Special Forces unit;
I met my husband (also an Army Veteran) while finishing my last overseas tour of duty in 1988 – we were both were [sic] assigned to a Special Operations unit.
Jeff tells me that he was in the same unit as Kelly, back in the California Reserves in Oakland and he doesn’t remember anyone in his unit being assigned to Special Forces. They were in a civil affairs battalion, which could have had dealings with Special Forces units, but as an assigned member?
And her records don’t bear that out either;
Sure all Special Forces A Teams have a veterinary food inspector assigned to them, it’s as important a job as the weapons, demo, commo and medical team members. Who else is going to check the food of the Team’s puppies and kittens?
Gamble makes the point of telling her prospective clients how she is proud of her 11 years of service and then she pulls the “Special Operations” thing out. Apparently, she wasn’t proud enough to refrain from pulling the Special Operations shit out.
Jeff says that he warned her to pull that reference off of her website before he wrote to us. I guess she doesn’t know what dicks we are…until now.
Category: Phony soldiers
#146 I’m touched by your lack of concern. Do I take it from your handle that this is more than an intellectual exercise?
@#151: She’s not distorting the truth. The only misunderstanding is with people like you who don’t know the difference between Special Operations and Special Forces. SpecOps has been distorted by video games and Hollywood – not this lady. It is Special Operations just as if the Army had Soldier Physicists, they too would likely be in “Special Operations”. She is not distorting the truth at all.
@#153: I don’t speak code so if you got something to say, then say it.
From John’s post:
“…and he [Jeff] doesn’t remember anyone in his unit being assigned to Special Forces”
I have to ask again how Jeff was assigned to the same CA unit as Gamble, but he apparently did not know the distinction between SF and SOF. Regardless of whether you think the SOF designation was legit for a CA unit, the fact remains that you’d know that it’s distinct from SF.
First of all NH@Spanky your still a jackass. What crime to she commit again? None is the answer. It has already been established that CA units are a part of special operations. You go to any VA hospital and there’s no cooks, clerks, band members, and other support MOS’s or ratings from any branch of service. They’re all special forces, rangers, seals, and marines. Do you guys go after them? Hell no! These people receive all kinds of monetary gains from their BS. Is it because you have something to hide or you have a short penis? If this site has all these journalist that graduated from Columbia school of journalism and awards for journalism why are you harassing a real vet? Don’t say if you want to compare 214’s I rather keep my privacy private. It’s as if the more you blog the more people will jump onto your BS but it ain’t happening.
Regardless of who commented on here, the reaction is irrelevent. She claimed to have received anonymous hate mail which lead her back here. She is under no obligation to be civil to a group of people who are besmirching her name over semantics.
@#158: Again, do we really know it was her? She probably does not even know about this site, much less give a shit.
Besmirching? Seems to me most of the people (almost all, in fact) were defending her until she decided to lob her little shitbombs in here.
And Anon@157…reading comprehension. Try it sometime. Please show me where I ever said she had committed a crime. You, OTOH…
“If this site has all these journalist that graduated from Columbia school of journalism and awards for journalism why are you harassing a real vet?” I can answer that. For others who are unaware, Anonymous was recently informed of the Pulitizer prize winners, Columbia School of Journalism, and former London Times editor who work here; hence, his question.
Anonymous: Please do not mischaracterize the investigations aspect of this organization as harassment. It isn’t. It’s just cold, hard fact.
@#160: Everyone keeps saying it was her, but do we really know? For all we know it was one of our trolls.
Enough diddling. Whalen might beat General PFC.
Does the IP address provide any indication as to whether it is more likely than not that the inflammatory rebuttal post was legitimate?
I never met any of the principle people here, but I suspect that if the shoe was on the other foot, they would simply put their record out there and explain rationally. I had a political hobby for a brief period, and a group attacked my service. I simply provided cleansed documentation (and some photos) and that shut things up almost instantly.
Anyway, consider the horse beaten. I’m more interested in whether the response was really her.
Everyone keeps saying it was her, but do we really know? For all we know it was one of our trolls.
The IP addy checks out…Pleasanton, CA.
As the only currentw Civil Affairs NCO on this forum, I am going to ask Jonn and TSO to please shut down the freaking comments section of this thread. This is getting out of hand!!! Let me clarify something, the proponency for training CA and MISO/Psyop Soldiers is retained by USASOC at the 3rd BN, 1st SWTG(A) at Bragg. We were under USASOC as Reservists, until 2008 or so. We now belong to that retarded organization known as FORSCOM, which has fucked our enlisted promotion system pretty much indefinitely and dried up training money. This is fu cking semantics, its childish, stupid, and needs to stop. All this arguing was cute at first, but has become tiresome and ugly. CA Soldiers bring one bell of a useful skillset to the table in our differing civilian careers, be they judges, cops, students, fire fighters, w.e. we still Soldier like everyone else. Jonn does not need to apologize, Gamble does not need to alter her site, but needs to alter her attitude and pull her brain-housing group out of her fourth point of contact, otherwise, she can kick start a freaking 9mm in her mouth for all I give a Shit. But for the love of the One True Cylon God, please stop this retarded Shit!!!
People, people, people. Remember, arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics. No matter who wins, you’re still seen as a retard. One of the things you need to survive in the military is a thick skin. If you don’t have it, then you won’t do very well at all. I’m not saying that you couldn’t get through it with thin skin, but you will never make rank nor will you make friends. The people on this site, the admins and posters, call it as they see it. The story, in their mind, spoke of a lesser case of stolen valor. Whether it is truly there or not is entirely up to the mind of the reader. Rest assured that this site and its minions will find out what really happened. As for those of us who comment on the stories, we might not have the entire view of the information. The admins/posters keep us informed, but they can’t post a transcript of every phone call or the contents of every email. We do what we do with the information that we are given, whether it is elevate or denigrate the subject of the story. We make our own judgment calls just as the admins do. Whether they are true or not, they are based in the facts as we see them. If someone can’t understand or deal with the fact that soldiers have opinions that might be false, then they don’t really have a right to be here complaining. If that someone is the subject of the article, then they should understand that soldiers are soldiers and they should remember what the soldiers in their past were like and what would have happened to them had they made that claim them. If the person is pretending to be the subject of the article, then they should realize that they are a douchenozel and need to get a life. For civvies reading the comments, soldiers can be asses, but we are because we HAVE been there and we HAVE done that… get over it. So, I would… Read more »
Lilyea does need to apologize he was dead wrong and is too petty to do the right thing
I have never known Jonn to be petty, more like fair and good humored. Just let the topic die for crying out loud!
No, Lucky. 200 comments or bust.
For what purpose Buster? Just because is mot an excuse I tolerate from my Soldiers, and isn’t acceptable in most corporate circles either…
If pressed, Lucky, I’d have to say I want to know more about Jeff’s thinking when he brought this to Jonn’s attention. The reason this thread is pushing 200 is because the original allegation (poseur lawyer claims to be SF) was demonstrated incorrect, and then it became that she was rude when she objected to being called a poseur lawyer, and that just because you are doctrinally a SOF Soldier you can’t claim that because commenters here don’t know the difference between the two.
You’re CA, you presumably were taught the difference between SF and SOF in AIT or reclass. Jeff’s comment – paraphrased by Jonn in the initial post – was that he didn’t recall anyone in the unit assigned to Special Forces. Confusing SOF and SF is sorta understandable if you’ve not been in that community – half the comments here are basically about whether that confusion was reasonable, and if so what obligation Gamble had to clarify her bio.
That said, for someone assigned to the unit to make that mistake seems extremely odd. I’ve been in CAPOC since I enlisted in 1995 (USAR PSYOP), and I can’t believe a Soldier assigned to a CAPOC unit wouldn’t know that their MACOM was USASOC throughout the 1990’s and into 2006.
I usually check into this blog daily but I lurk, so I don’t know all the personalities, so I apologize if this is common knowledge to everyone else, but is Jeff a 38A? Was he assigned to the unit, and if so why did he appear to conflate SF and SOF when bringing this to Jonn’s attention?
Given that he is the one who originally levied the complaint, I think these are fair questions to ask.
When Lilyea apologizes this will all stop he controls everything he is wrong and he knows it
I guess will be the bigger person and apologize to everyone for my posts that includes NH@Sparky. It felt like crack and I couldn’t stop. It so happens I don’t believe we as a peoples should be so judgemental towards one another and play on words. At a time in our country’s history vets will need to stick together. At the same time we need to police up our own. The bottom line is the VA will get cut in the near future that’s agiven. We need to eliminate the abuse of scamming the VA with unnecassry claims so that vets that really need it receive the benefits that their entitled. The impostors running around on the internet posing as veterans with their fake awards doesn’t bother me. It’s laughable at most and I enjoy it when they get caught. I have heard at Ft Benning, GA that there are two senior NCO’s who sole purpose is to uncover PX rangers. Weather that is true or not I don’t know, cause I was never a ranger. I’m retired now. I have faith that the leadership in the army will catch them too. It is the ones that steal our tax dollars that is a criminal offense and should have a higher priority of getting called out.
Buster, what you say is accurate and correct. My apologies. I was Class 03-04 at the schoolhouse, and you hit the nail on the head, now that I think of it, who the help is Jeff? I have a classmate or two from both the 445th CA and the 425th CA, so I can narrow it down if anyone is interested
I love how this blog drags some lady’s name through the mud without even doing any kind of fact checking, and then proceeds to get pissed off when that same woman shows up with some harsh words about it.
You guys have about as much class as Andrew Dice Clay’s asshole.
@176 How does one distingish between classy and non-classy assholes, your lordship? Is that a gay thing?
See this thread WOULD have died, had she not Responded so haughtily.
@ 173: You know all about being wrong, since you have never been right about anything, so you’ve got a lot of experience in that arena. When you apologize for being a jizz catching harpy, I’m sure Jonn will then give proper consideration to bringing forth an apology.
@Lucky,
And lastly, Gamble is a family law attorney – has Jeff ever had business in court with her? It might provide valuable context to his original complaint.
@180; buster, while I agree that this should have gone away many, many posts ago, I will reiterate my only contention with her resume as she posted it online: If she’s a family law attorney; why the need to be as specific as she was in her resume about her unit assignments? It doesn’t affect me in any way, shape, or form, however it is a curious tidbit.
I’m just sayin
Wow. I used to be a fan of this website. But you really fucked this one up, Jonn. Fucked up beyond recognition.
First, out of the blue, you attack someone you’ve never met, accusing her of being a “poseur” and making false statements, when it’s you who seems to lack English comprehension. (“Special Forces” is not the same thing as “Special Operations”, as so many have pointed out on this thread).
Then, when the person who was attacked unjustly and without provocation responds with understandable anger, instead of simply admitting you were wrong and posting a correction, you get all butt-hurt and double down on the personal attacks. And your sycophants follow right behind you.
You keep talking about “honor” on this website. If you actually understood what that means, you would do the right thing.
So, MK, as a fan of this site, it hadn’t occurred to you that you can leave anytime you want? There is no need to ask permission. No need to post a farewell address. Just be gone? As far as the person of interest coming on here and being understandably upset, I don’t blame her for being upset, however, she could have taken the high road and posted a response with honor and decorum as well. So, with that in mind, you might want to do as I have and just let the dust settle on this thread. If you choose, of your own free will, to not like this site anymore, due to one instance that you don’t agree with; that’s your choice and you can make it without fanfare and trumpets.
Good job proving his point. You’re an imbecile.
@183 are you that afraid of Lilyea that you can’t even disagree with him even when he is blatantly in the wrong? Very upsetting..
You don’t put out a fire by pouring gasoline on it, right?This thread needs to be starved to death.
#185 NO, let’s get to 200! ha ha
OG John hasn’t done anything wrong. It’s a legit gripe. The “black ops” claim was close to the mark and many griped about that, and just as many people defended him. besides if there’s one thing a seasoned hand can’t stand it’s a know it all that threatens them. anyone that spent more than a day in the Army should know shit talking and gut checks are a part of the game. If she felt she was in the right she could have come on here and said pretty much what a lot of people had already said in that TECHNICALLY she was part of SOC.
Coming on here with a redonkulious claim that she’d go to DA (which really wouldn’t impress those bubble-heads/squids/jarheads/zoomies/puddle pirates out there) was like playing with matches in a Napalm depot. I’m not arguing that on pure technicality she was correct. She is. But it’s pretty damn shady to say that to a civilian and not codify that.
I don’t anyone owes her diddly squat. Bradly Manning/Jullian Asange didn’t apologize to me for making me unable to leave my room for three weeks. MSNBC didn’t apologize for making it seem like I was in a company of mass murderers. IVAW/VFP hasn’t apologized to me for taking this footage to classrooms and essentially saying we rapped every woman we could find and killed little kids for fun. If I’m not owed an apology, neither is she.
If Manning, Assange, MSNBC, IVAW, or VFP personally and individually attacked your stupid ass over a misunderstanding, then I would say yes, they do owe you an apology, and in not giving one they would be in the wrong.
But good job trying to justify this blog’s reprehensible behavior in this matter by saying “this random group of assholes I don’t like wouldn’t apologize, so why should Jonn?”
On top of that you guys acted like complete fuckheads to this woman, with some of you sending her nastygrams and some possibly calling her and harassing her over the phone. If she wants to come on here and threaten you to make it stop, she’s well within her rights. If she handled the situation without being professional, boo fucking hoo, you guys dragged her into this mess, she has no obligation to be nice to you afterward.
Perhaps you guys should have sent her an email without attacking her character, asking her to clarify her claims instead of painting her as some fucking phony without even hearing her side of the fucking story.
I personally think she doesn’t owe you guys one iota of an explanation, you’re not the fucking Nuremberg tribunal for fakes, you’re a bunch of brokedick pieces of shit, many of whom never saw a fucking day of combat, and most of whom have never amounted to anything, inside the military or outside.
Lol wow King, considering we have Veterans from all walks of life, services, and wars posting on here thats way more than a little harsh now! I mean, what have you done with YOUR life? The blog administrators are two Veteran’s of Combat, both Infantrymen, and both holders of the CIB. What are your credentials, what gives YOU the right to decide that they have never done anything? I happen to fall under both sides of this argument, as a CA NCO, and a veteran of two theaters, and reader of this blog. Nobody is wrong, nobody is right, fot the love of the One True Cylon God, GIVE IT A FRAKING REST ALREADY!!!!
Lilyea saw a week of combat if that in Desert Storm he isn’t an expert on that or anything else.. He also doesn’t have the right to do drive by insults to people he has never met before and then hide behind his moronic followers who back anything he says. ie NHSparky,Old Trooper and Doc Bailey among others.. Lilyea has handled this in an awful way and it’s not going away until he apologizes, instead he is showing himself to be the coward he accuses so many others of being
As I remember, being a Kindergardener at the time Gulf War 1 was going on, thats about how long Combat Operations lasted. That has absolutely no bearing on this discussion. He has every right, after all, unlike YOU, Jonn and most of us on here actually fought for the right to say whatever we want, maybe you have heard of the 1st Amendment? They all earned their right to do so same as Jonn, and I have as well, to the point where I came home injured myself from my last tour. As I asked the mouth-breather above, OG, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH YOUR LIFE THUS FAR? Hmmm? Have you done anything remotely close to what we ALL have? Probably not. You are probably some vacuous little shrew, overeducated, yet with a lack of common sense and a serious misunderstanding of the world around you. YOU embody the disdain that many of us feel for those who have never had to sacrifice a damned thing in their miserable little life in defense of the very Freedoms that a good deal of the American population probably can’t even recite from memory. Go ahead “Obama Girl”, memorize this word, for it truly suits you and what you really, really are: “Bahhhhhhhhhhhh, Bahhhhhhhhh!” Sheep.
Here’s the unbiased summary of all this, at least in my eyes. Hopefully it can all now stop.
1) Gamble’s bio doesn’t indicate any wrongdoing. She’s legit.
2) Gamble should have thought out her response, because she looks like an ass threatening that the “Department of the Army” is going to come after the bloggers ala the MPs and the A-Team.
3)ObamaGirl is an opportunist and still lacks credible logic or debating skills.
4) Jonn’s a good dude who means well and should never be personally demeaned for anything pertaining to his service.
5) Like anything else, Civil Affairs is a mixed bag of good people and weird ones.
6) Who the hell is Jeff and what is his motivation.
Ok… we can all move on.
Agreed, as long as the Sheeple keep their pie holes shut
OG, please show me where I 1–defended Jonn, 2–attacked Ms. Gamble.
Thanks for playing, please come back when you don’t have to stay as long. Don’t you have to troll for johns at the Molly Pitcher Service Area on the Turnpike? Don’t forget to give those truckers their change back for the quarter.
@191 I served in Iraq as an MP in the National Guard and we did alot more than the CA guys did who basically soaked up rays all day and waved to convoys as they went out in sector. So don’t lecture me about service and sacrifice. And the fact that you would insult me for leaving the Guard and trying to get an education is an indictment on you sir.
I know for sure that you aren’t lying youre for sure a CA NCO you spent the entire duty day posting on this dumb blog instead of training your soldiers for combat.. Gotta love CA
@ 194 That’s one major difference among the services, Sparky. Navy guys think in terms of paying for it. Air Force guys think in terms of paying alot for it. Marines think in terms of not paying for it. Army guys think in terms of being paid for it!
OG, you could care less about an apology from Jonn, or anyone else on this blog. You don’t care if he’s right or wrong; you want to see if you can make him break and run. You’re trying for a beatdown, pure and simple.
@197 I just added you to the list of Lilyeas brainless followers
@190: Don’t you have a street corner to work or something?
@198 That’s quite alright; we all have to make our choices in life, don’t we?
But I noticed that you didn’t deny what I said. So now I have to ask: what did Jonn ever do to you, that you’ve turned attacking him into a quest?
What? Y’all are still beating this dead horse??
The typical lib witch is doing the typical lib witch stuff here – no logic, sense of propriety, or anything that would pass for simple common decency.
But the hypocrisy is always entertaining. “Do as I say, not as I do.”
I think common decency would involve not dragging someone’s name and reputation through a puddle of bud-mud until all the facts are in. Too bad decency seems to be in short supply around here.
And Lucky, I was going to accuse you of being a mouthbreather, but it’s physically impossible for you to get air that way when your lips are always sealed around John’s dick. And you’re the real sheep if you think the shit in Iraq or Afghanistan has anything to do with the constitution or our rights.