Michael Killam; phony POW
A couple of our ninjas were interested in this fellow, Michael Duane Killam, apparently, because I’ve been getting info on him from a couple of folks since last week. He came to everyone’s attention when he was in the local Dallas/Fort Worth news last month around Veterans’ Day and he was recognized by Congressman Marc Veasey for his service in Vietnam.
He claimed that he was a POW (the period of capture changes from time to time from three days to four months, depending on how Killam feels) and that he was wounded, that he had two Purple Hearts, that he was in the 75th Infantry. From Kera News;
During the first 90 days of his tour in Vietnam, Michael Killam says he felt invincible.
“I had weapons,” he said. “I had power over life and death. I could make people live or I could let them die. I became God-like.”
Killam was only 19 at the time. During his tour, he was captured for three days, hung upside down, and tortured for hours. Eventually, he escaped and returned to duty.
Well, he was in Vietnam;
He was a helicopter crewman, but with the 7th Battalion 15th Artillery, not the 75th Infantry. It looks like he was a mechanic on an OH-58 OH-6 Cayuse which would have been used for artillery observation and spotting, not in assault aircraft as he claims;
DPAA says that he wasn’t a POW either;
He did have two years of honorable service, though, including a year in Vietnam from August 1969 – September 1970;
He left the service as a Private E-2, though, so I think he probably wasn’t the best soldier, but then how many of us were?
Category: Phony soldiers, Valor Vultures
https://www.facebook.com/RTGDALLAS/posts/1015506461822510
A very recent post in which Killam is referred to as a Purple Heart recipient and a POW. Where did Rebuilding Together Greater Dallas get this information? Where did Senator Davis get her information? Are they all just making it up?
Mr. Bill……thru the link you provided, Killam recieved a new bathroom, interior door, fence repair, and a new floor. If he is indeed, a embellisher, which I think he is, he’s going to have some splainen to do! I wonder if he got these freebies because of the Purple Heart/POW claims?
That’s the sad part. He likely earned those things simply because of serving where he did, when he did. Too bad he’s tainted his own honor with the lies.
I just finished going thru the OH-6 losses in Vietnam 1969-70 NO losses for 7-15 Arty. Further, only one loss for any arty unit during that period
Well, that was certainly an invigorating exchange once the crickets decided to end their silence and start chirping.
Bottom line, still no visible proof of being a POW or being awarded Purple Hearts.
Discharged as a Private E-2 with a General Discharge after three years.
Form your own opinions. My opinion has been solidified.
WJG…for starters you don’t know shit about Marines. We do not get upset when being referred to as jar heads. As a matter of fact we kind of enjoy it as it identifies us as with whom we served. The real joke is on those who think they are insulting us by calling us jar heads. Hell, we take pride in it, if you want to know the truth. For that matter, I don’t believe other former military personnel ever mean disrespect when they refer to us as such. Now you listen to this and take it to heart. I don’t NEED your permission to disrespect or question your logic or loyalties. And please do NOT feel sorry for me as you attempt to claim. Call me the skeptic, but there are still missing links to the entire truth of the matter here. As previously stated the communication from Gainey does not replicate the expected mannerisms of an experienced SGM. His personal interest in telling Killam to NOT read any of the posts on here makes Gainey sound like an enabler. The likes of Claw and 3/17 A C reak of nothing but personal knowledge of the truth as experienced by those who personally know and lived it. All that has been exposed, all that has been pointed out to be a lie, the COMPLETE OVERSIGHT of when Killam was shot down and what happened to the other occupants, so very much important details missing from his own account point to one thing; It’s called Absolute Total and Complete Bullshit; period! And you still think we are supposed to wait for the final word from you?? Your involvement in this matter was never needed. Nobody has accused you of being light in the loafers and sweet on Killam, but I am starting to wonder. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. Not trying to belittle you and piss you or anyone else off, but that’s the vibe I’m starting to get, based on your approach. Don’t waste time with any threats, I’m just giving you my true personal… Read more »
Hey Claw and 3/17….if you are still up. Got any more ideas or questions which Gainy can answer? That’s the approach he can satisfy to make us change our minds. To this very day I am still not certain this is the real deal Gainey. And for most every post he writes, each one has little matters that just add to the doubt. Something is just waaaaay off here. It just seems like we are going to get answers from Gainey that we are suppose to believe no matter what. Afraid he’s just digging himself and Killam in with each post. May come the time when Killam wishes the Addler idiot And Gainey had never opened their yap.
Mr. Gainey (if that who you really are): On 6 January, around 1742 hours, you stated to GDContractor that Killam told you (after the interview you did with him) that he was an 11B. Now why would he tell you that after telling you he was a Door Gunner? And it turns out he was neither? Well? And your former Commander who should have received the PH, but didn’t? Really? What conflict was that person in and where were they stationed? And where was that person wounded? Killam a POW for three days? Hmmm..did you look at his records at the beginning of this Blog that we were able to obtain via FOIA? Maybe he was a “POW” for three days in an Army Stockade? Since you have so many connections, why haven’t you contacted the Official DoD office for POWs/MIAs and ask them if they have a Michael D. Killam on any if their Rosters. Funny how we got that information thru the Internet and posted yhe results here, yet you are still in denial. And you being a Vietnam ERA Vet? Ok, if you came in before May 1975, you may have a point. I was making a comment about the language you use calling everyone “Brother” which just does not ring right in my eyes coming from someone your age and the timeframe you served. Take a good look at Killam’s records again that is posted. Last: Again, you made mention about a former Commander not receiving a PH even though that person was wounded. Is it not obvious to you that Killam’s records show he did not receive the PH? If it is because he was wounded, but never received it means HE IS NOT A RECIPIENT IF THE PURPLE HEART. Commen sense. If he believes he is a recipient, when why don’t you help him received one? All you have to do is get his Medical Records that show who, what, when, where, why he needs to be recognized with the PH and submit that documentation along with a request to the Army Board of… Read more »
A correction to my statement above. Mr. Gainey (if that is who you are), you did not come on Active Duty until June 1975. Therefore, you are NOT considered a Vietnam ERA Vet. Yes, you were in the DEP in 1974, BUT, and I will repeat again, YOU ARE NOT A VIETNAM ERA VET. So please don’t put yourself in the same category as Claw and 3/17 Air Cav.Over and out.
William Gainey: let’s cut through all the bullshit. Killam claims he was a POW. DOD says he wasn’t.
How the fuck do you explain and defend that? Please, do get down to brass tacks and tell us, since you obviously are on a first-name basis with this turd.
He’s lying about being a POW. Chances are he’s lying about the PH also, and a lot more.
I posted this in another location, but figured I would cu/paste it here so the SGM might see it. Questions for the SGM:
If he was flying UH58, why is he pictured only with the OH-6?
Did you substantiate grounds for one PHM or two?
Killam attained the rank of E5 and he didn’t know what unit he served with? Really? What was the time interval between his 3 day absence and loss of 3 stripes?
You might want to ask Joe Galloway how to research Occam’s Razor. Just a suggestion.
Meanwhile, SGM Gainey, in regards to what you had to say about CONSIDERATION… yeah, mine still goes out the the guys laying under 6 feet of dirt… the ones that this shitbag Killam has stolen from.
Suggestion to Gainey – get permission from Killam to release his records (with redacted personal info) to Jonn for review and posting on TAH. If you personally spent five hours reviewing them to verify his career, then to clear this up, get him to OK their release and have them posted here. If the info checks out, Jonn will do his part as owner of the blog, and many of us (including me) will apologize.
Many of us here are skeptical because we have heard it before from posers that they have the “real deal” info about their time in the military and they or their friends/buddies have “verified” it, only to find out it’s been altered or forged. If you don’t believe me, just look around at some of the Stolen Valor losers that have been ID’ed on this and other blogs.
WJG:
Since you stated you have connections, here is the Website for DPAA:
http://www.dpaa.mil/Home.aspx
Recommend you contact them and ask them about Killam. They have an Army Senior Enlisted as part of their Chain of Command.
JarHead, Animal, AskAMarine, Marine7002 you guys are awesome, but I am not sure you are getting all the love you deserve.
Here’s a dumb ‘ol Marine showing up George Strait.
It can happen.
GDC…Thanks so much friend. The real problem was we (at least myself) were so much in need and approval from Gainey, since he appears to have the knack of hoovering over HIS veterans. Manlove like that can really make a dude feel special and wanted.
GDC, I learn something every day. Didn’t know that Jamey Johnson is a Marine.
Great song 🙂 and thank you!
Thanks, GDC…as with the other Marine, learned something new. Did not realize the Singer was a “Brother” as well (tongue in cheek). You should have been a Marine/Jarhead… 😉
A few miscellaneous thoughts on Mr. Killam.
It looks like he’s done a lot of good work for veterans, including working with a veterans’ court in Tarrant County. He deserves to be commended for that.
He served, in Vietnam, when many others weren’t willing to. Even if his service had a couple of blemishes, he still should be proud of having served.
So why isn’t that enough?
If he’s making the claim that he should have received a PH – well, he wouldn’t be the first who decided that he was just going to claim that he actually received it. As others have pointed out, though, the way to rectify this is to gather your evidence and submit it to the Board for Correction of Military Records. To claim an award that you didn’t actually receive – no matter that you think you should have received it – is dishonest and worthy of scorn.
The Sergeant Major says that Killam received an Article 15 for failing to go to his appointed place of duty. (If he went from E-5 to E-2, he may have received more than one.) The thought occurred to me: could his POW story have started as an attempt to cover for an unauthorized absence – and in retelling it over the years, he came to believe it? That’s pure speculation on my part, of course, but it would be consistent with someone who claimed to be a POW but who was never officially recognized for it – never recognized because it was a cover story, not fact.
Now I really believe that Gainey is not who he said he is: On 14 January 2016 at 2324 Hours, he commented ” Michael has a VA appointment next Wednesday where I will get verification from a doctor at which time I will use the DD Form 215 to update his DD Form 214.” ALL: What is wrong with that statement?
Oh, let’s see: The word Michel, the number 214, and every key stroke between those characters in the quotation?
Yeah, there are a few intermediate steps between “getting a note from the doctor” and “generating DD Form 215”.
It’s called the Sockpuppet magic wand effect.
And if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his ass every time he hopped.
FWIW: the location of origin for Gainey’s comments appears consistent with him being who he says he is. I believe that Killam lives a substantial distance from the location where Gainey’s comments originate.
That does argue against Killam acting as a sock puppet. But it’s not definitive proof, and it doesn’t rule out the possibility of someone other than Killam using Gainey’s name without his permission.
Hondo…any chance of getting in personal contact with the REAL Gainey? Every day I have less and less reason to believe these posts by the mysterious Gainey are for real. If the REAL Gainey knew someone else was promoting this on behalf of Killam, he’d surely want to come on this site and address the issue. If nothing else a personal call to Jonn and references to verify the call was from the REAL Gainey. My conclusion is Killam has a stalker who is hot for him and thinks he can get into Killam’s britches by changing the truth. Stay home and jerk off you idiot!
There is also the possibility that the real Gainey is the commenter calling himself Gainey but that he is in the process of discovering the truth is as presented in the OP. At this point he would legitimately by cautious of making himself look any more foolish until he has the complete story.
Or not. Only time will tell.
Is the doctor examining a scar, removing a bullet, or what? What definitive proof of the origin and circumstances of either be determined 45+ years later by a VA doctor?
There I go stating the obvious again …sorry
I wish to issue an apology to the TAH Cadre.
It was not my intent to change the focus of this thread on Michael Killam from his purported claims of being a POW/Purple Heart recipient into was he really a Door Gunner on a helicopter.
The Door Gunner claims are a penny ante back row sideshow compared to the other claims. I will refocus my attention to the real subject.
I strayed outside my lane in the smoke and confusion of the battlefield.
Thank You.
Claw….You don’t owe ANYBODY an apology. Your opinion on that specific part of the story was just one of the many discrepancies that became so clear from the beginning and stood out more as time progressed. For that matter, you deserve a pat on the back for not only NOT swallowing the hook, but for hanging in there with skepticism in the face of being ridiculed had we all been so wrong. Don’t forget that song by Jerry Reed that has the line, “When you right, you RIGHT!”
Thanks Jarhead. I appreciate your support.
Here’s the bottom line:
Until we can view Killam’s DA Form 3513 (Individual Flight Records Folder United States Army) which contain the appropriate DA Forms 759(Part I) and 759-1(Part II), otherwise known as a “Trip Book”, I will remain very skeptical as to whether he was ever awarded a Crewmember Flight Status.
My Trip Book is available for public viewing at any time. It’s in a briefcase in my bedroom closet.
Will make one more comment on Gainey and then refocus on Killam and his claims of being a POW and a PH recipient (thank you, Claw, for making me see the light).
May have read Gainey’s comment wrong about him “serving” during the Vietnam Era (he stated he did not serve in the war, but during the time-frame), but this is what he wrote:
“I saw someone say in another post that I so I am not from the Vietnam period, FYI, the Vietnam period was from 1951 to 17 May 1975. I raised my hand in 1974, finished HS and was in basic in 1975. Even though I did not serve in the war, I still served during the time-frame and personally witnessed how my older Brother was treated when he can home in 1972 and that is the very reason I am trying to help Michael.”
I personally don’t know any 1975 High School Graduates that served “during the time-frame” that Gainey mentions.
Thanks for everyone patience in me questioning Gainey.
Couple of small date errors in the quoted material above. Moreover, it also appears there are actually two distinct – and different – “Vietnam Era” definitions.
The Vietnam Era GI Bill required active duty service after 31 January 1955 but before 1 January 1977. It also required a minimum of 180 days active duty service. It ended in 1989; however, personnel with remaining eligibility were generally automatically converted to the Montgomery GI Bill.
The Vietnam Era NDSM period, per DoDM 1348.33-M, Volume 2, (2010 edition w/Change 2 from 2015), is defined by DoD as being from 1 January 1961 to 14 August 1974, inclusive.
It’s thus possible to be a “Vietnam Era” vet for GI Bill purposes while not qualifying for the Vietnam Era NDSM.
Yeah, it’s confusing, and made even worse for those of us who were in the Guard during that time. My records reflect that I earned the NDSM but did NOT earn GI benefits. It was also not fashionable in those days for Guardsmen to have any active duty that would qualify them for benefits. Have long since forgotten all the codes used then for characterization of our service (like ADT to signify “active duty for training,” a code specifically not counting toward veteran benefits in spite of our performing the exact same things as the active duty folks with whom we were performing the duty.) but there were many ways to manipulate the system so that it appeared we did nothing but show up. We were proud to be doing our part and not really worried about the details – we all had full-time jobs as well.
Bottom line is that I didn’t even think of myself as a Viet Nam Era vet until the past few years. It took some active duty types to point out that I had in fact done as much and more than many who served during those days. Not sure what I thought wearing that NDSM meant. 😉
Gainey’s posts have the quality in spelling and content of a Nigerian email scammer.
They just don’t seem like the work of an experienced professional. And to me there is a lot of diversion and lack of accountability. Too much verbiage on “the guy is confused”.
Finally, one of his last posts started ” to all my broters, sirs and ma’mas:”
really,
how many mamas he got. hows big is this family? Did he mean sirs or sires? (smile, I guess)
Hope your weekend goes well;
belated congrats to TOW for his family and regards.
Still crickets from Mr. Gainey…
So…
It would help if there were a way to make outside verification by one of the Admin guys. If Gainey is who he says he is then so be it. If he isn’t, (personally I’m 60-40 that he is who he says he is) then whoever it is has really detracted attention from Killam that he really, really deserves. On the other hand, we’re still talking about him and minus Sgt Maj Gainey we probably would’ve moved on to the next chew toy.
I’m leaning more and more towards the indicators that the person posting as Gainey is not Gainey because:
1. Any info on the real Gainey is publically available through his Wiki bio and his Facebook page.
2. The Gainey poster doesn’t have a real SGM’s Bullshit detector. He actually thought I was linking PTS to wearing BCG’s.(Birth Control Glasses)
3. The Gainey poster actually made a legitimate reply to a Faker 6 comment.
4. Calling any veteran his Brother or Sister. C’mon, get real.
5. Thinking that the term Jarhead was an insult to Marines. Again, get a clue.
6. His manner of articulating himself here on TAH is not what one would expect of a Senior Non-Commissioned Officer who purportedly held the positions he claims to have assigned to.
7. I get a “hairs raising on the back of my neck” feeling as to the reasoning behind Gainey’s continuing support of Killam. Just seems to be more there than merely “helping out a fellow vet.”
8. Completely disregards any previously published reports and documentation that has been presented. His premise is: All of you Poopyheads are wrong and given enough time, my research will prove that Killam is not a liar and embellisher.
9. Thinks somehow he is still on active duty and can pull rank and order people around. He has yet to come to the realization that everybody has to pay the same $1.05 for a cup of coffee at Mickey D’s.
10. Last, but not least, the Gainey Sockpuppet is just too good of a chewtoy to toss out with the trash. Hell, the Super Bowl hasn’t even been played yet. It’s gonna be a long winter and any distractions are a welcome break in the routine.
That’s all for now. Back to the cricket serenade for what, at least another week?
Oh, I almost forgot.
Steve, you can go ahead and revoke another one of my GCM’s if you want. I’ll just exchange my silver clasp back to a copper clasp and keep on truckin./smile
I think a week is reasonable. Unless I misunderstood it, I think I read that Sgt Maj Gainey knew Killam when he first came home from VN. If that is the case Killam has been carrying this lie on for a LONG time.
I think that Gainey was talking about his real sibling brother returning from Vietnam in 1972, not as his “brother veteran” Killam returning.
At least that’s the way I understood that comment.
I see. Thanks.
Claw, you nailed it. Again. Thanks.
I just tried to contact Sgt Maj Gainey by what I believe to be a reliable method. We’ll see…
Thanks, Animal. Hope you get the real Mccoy.
By the looks of Killam, I imagine he is out committing a crime.
Loser.
Prostitution would be my guess.
I’ve been giving killam’s reduction in rank and General discharge some thought. I’m thinking there was some substance abuse going on at that time. Booze, dope? As I said before, from my experience, you don’t get a general discharge for a Article 15. I did see a couple of guys get busted during that time for those types of infractions.
Maybe it was dudes in the woodline?
Just saying.
3/17, by my age calculations on Killam, he turned 21 years old while spending the remainder of his active duty time at Fort Bragg/Fayettenam.
Being able to drink legally can be a good thing or a bad thing. It all depends on which fork in the road you take.
Receiving a three grade demotion and a General Discharge for missing a few formations? Just doesn’t sound kosher to me. I’m thinking there were a lot of other factors involved in the straw that broke the camel’s back in his last months prior to discharge.
Don’t forget, SGM Gainey would have us believe that Killam is dumber than a bag of hammers. You see, he thought he was airborne (and presumably SF/Ranger) because they were all together on one base. SGT. Killam did not understand this apparently, but you would just have to meet Killam for this to all make sense.
Given this logic, SGM Gainey should be able to call himself one of the Joint Chiefs and we should give him a pass for it.
In the contracting world, I worked with some first class idiots, many of them in my chain, above me. None of them were ever confused about who they worked for, or with. Must be an Army thing.
GDC, Yeah, for this guy Killam to have spent his time in Vietnam in a “dream” (as described by Gainey), he sure had a moment of clarity two years ago.
If you go back over to the older comments and look at the links provided by AnotherPat(21 Dec at 4:53PM), Killam posted pictures into the Milvetpeer picture album (on 1/13/2014) that either specifically or implied that he was a member of three other outfits while in Vietnam.
Here’s a recap of the units Killam claimed he was in/or those units that Gainey claimed he was in:
7/15 FA (First Field Force)
173rd Airborne Brigade
7/13 FA (Second Field Force)
D, 2/12 Cav (1st Cav Div)
D, 2/1 Cav (1st Cav Div)
155th AHC (1st Avn Bde)
I’m beginning to think he spent more time hand carrying his records around on in-country PCS moves than working as a mechanic on helicopters./smile
Roger, plus this from up above. Like I mentioned to the 1SEAC, Occam’s Razor.
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?attachment_id=63425
Actually, there was an Army thing going on at the time, GDC, and it had to do with assignments and attachments. I’ve looked at Killam’s story from the standpoint of time and geography because I was in the same area roughly a year later. What he was doing probably went like this:
Killam went in country in August of 1969, and was sent to work on observation helicopters for the 7/15th Field Artillery. At that time, the 7/15th was based primarily at LZ Uplift and LZ English in Binh Dinh Province, an area on the coast and roughly halfway between Saigon and the DMZ. Bong Son, north of Qui Nhon, was the nearest ville to the two LZs. The mission of the 7/15th was to provide fire support for the 173rd Airborne Brigade which had Binh Dinh as an AO and was headquartered at LZ English. For all practical purposes, the 7/15th was probably considered a part of the 173rd in the same way as an attached MP company or whatever.
In early 1970, the 7/15th apparently moved roughly 100 miles west to Pleiku Province up in the central highlands of the Annamese Cordillera. Their focus also shifted from support of the 173rd to support of the ARVN 22nd Infantry Division. It was at that point that control of the 7/15th probably shifted back to the 1st Field Force in Nha Trang. If memory serves, the 1st FF was also the umbrella over various special forces groups acting as advisors in the central highlands.
Something that might also be pointed out is that the 7/15th were shooting 175mm guns which were probably covered with serious perimeter security, and not a bunch of 11-Charlies parked on a random hill with mortars.
Personally, I have some real doubts about Killam’s story, but can’t decide what’s intentional horseshit, and what’s not having all his dogs barking.
Based on DPAA’s comprehensive roster of Vietnam POWs and the FOIA reply from NPRC, at a minimum the POW, 2x PH, and several unit of assignment claims appear to be pure male bovine organic fertilizer.
As for the rest being the result of his mentally “not hitting on all cylinders”, dunno if I want to buy that. Rotary wing A&P maintenance requires some smarts. I find it difficult to believe that anyone capable of qualifying for that MOS would be unable to comprehend the difference between “unit of assignment” and “temporarily attached to” or “supporting”.
IMHO, if anyone out there is even remotely considering becoming a poser, for personal gain and/or recognition, my suggestion would be simple. Take a good look at this web site and see what happens when bullshitters try to sell their wares to a gullible public. When you inevitably end up on this site you will want to call it This IS Hell
You can’t fool mother nature and you damned sure are not going to outsmart experienced thinkers. A fool’s paradise we are NOT.
I share some of these stories with my 13 year old son. Thinking it will act as a potent vaccine.
I’ve done some crazy mechanical work with my arms extended into places I could not see my hands…and yeah, I’ve bragged about being a gynecologist. I guess I should set a better example.
I promised I would refocus on Killam versus Gainey, SO…….
Yep, I’m thinking more and more that if the real truth on Killam comes out he faces:
Possible loss of employment as a Veteran’s Service Officer.
Having the helping hands for vets outfit in Dallas come to his house and reclaim his new bathroom, all the new level flooring, the new interior doors, etc. (only a pipe dream, that would never happen.)
Falling off the wagon after being clean and sober for the past nine years.
Receiving several Wall to Wall counseling sessions from Karma.
You nailed it, Claw.
Well, my first thought when I read the helping hands for vets story was just how a county vets service officer came to be selected for a truckload of home repairs.
Just the luck of the draw or some sort of using the position to influence the selection?
Brings to mind one of Leroy Jethro Gibbs’ rules about there is no such thing as a coincidence.
Just spitballing and kind of throwing it out there for thought.
No, coincidences do exist. But when there’s a financial aspect in play and easy money to be made or free stuff to be had, sometimes coincidences . . . aren’t.
Of course it could always be the old “one name on a slip of paper in the helmet liner” Shifty Powers gambit.
Just seems a little odd to me, but YMMV.
If y’all would just quit posting on this story I would be able to leave it alone and eventually put it out of my mind. My (hopefully) final thought on the matter is this: SGM Gainey ( or the person claiming to be him) is the Indiana Jones of combat history and medals.
Thumbs Up!
I’m gonna stick around. I don’t think the end has come yet.
You are psychic. Or psychotic.
Or both! 😀
The SOCK-PUPPET REPORT:
I have decided that I will no longer address any comments concerning posted on this Blog site. Why, most of the individuals posting have already made up their minds on what and who they will believe. I will only post updates every few days or weeks as I get UPDATED DOCUMENTED INFORMATION.
Here are my focuses and two PRIORITIES:
1. Was Michael Killam a POW in the Republic of Vietnam?
2. Was Michael Killam wounded in combat in the Republic of Vietnam?
I have verified the following by actually reading documents:
1. He did serve in Vietnam from 6 August 1969-6 Aug 1970.
2. He was reduced to PVT-2 and received a Honorable Discharge under General Conditions.
3. His primary MOS was a 67M20 with a secondary MOS of 67V2T.
4. He was assigned to the 7-15 FA and later attached with the 7-13 FA.
5. He did go to Bell Helicopter training in Vietnam to be used as a Crew Chief
6. He did serve as a door gunner on a UH-58
I am am not concerned with the following:
1. Why did he wear BCG?
2. Why was he not awarded the identifiers as a door gunner or a crew chief? I have verified with Vietnam veterans this happen ALL THE TIME.
3. Why were the doors on the helicopter he was pictured next to closed?
4. Why did he not wear protective gear?
5. Why does he not have any Air Medals?
This stuff has NOTHING to do with my two PRIORITIES.
SOCK-PUPPET SIGNING OFF!!!!
Let the crickets began.
Work my balls, SMAJ.
GT, it should read:
“Work my balls, SMAJ. IS THAT CLEAR,?”
FIFY.
you are guys are phunny;
gainey, he is joke;
killam, trash;
bundy bros – cow-rapers,
corn cob riders;
santorum suckers.
Let me try, GT…
“Gainey”, until you forward the “documents” you reviewed to the admin of this blog for posting there is only one statement I have for you:
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, SMAJ…
“I will only post updates every few days or weeks as I get UPDATED DOCUMENTED INFORMATION.
Here are my focuses and two PRIORITIES:
1. Was Michael Killam a POW in the Republic of Vietnam?
2. Was Michael Killam wounded in combat in the Republic of Vietnam? ”
Asked and answered, you dumb ass. You obviously have a comprehension disorder, or you would have seen the documents and links above that he 1) was NOT a POW, and 2) NEVER received any Purple Hearts.
There are three types of Stolen Valor turds who deserve more than the usual levels of contempt: 1) those who falsely claim POW status; they never suffered the pain, the loneliness, and the anguish that REAL POWs suffered; 2) those who ingratiate themselves with our wounded and fallen warriors and their families; and 3) those who falsely claim Purple Hearts, in that they never suffered, bled, lost limbs and sight, and even died.
Turd Killam falls into two of those three categories. He is beneath contempt, and so are you for ignoring his service records posted above and the DOD records that tell us who the REAL POWs are.
Every time “Gainey” comes and posts here, he starts to look more like someone that wants to cover up for his buddy. The story about “spending five hours” reviewing his record – how in the hell did he get access? Calling up a “buddy” to do this? Why not give Jonn the info on this to put it to rest if Killam is telling the truth?
There’s probably more to this than what we know… and if the real “Gainey” is involved in this, he’s going to look like crap when the truth comes out.
I remember seeing this stuff happening too many times while I was in… the lack of integrity… some CMC covering up for one of his “young Sailors” who was able to get away with anything short of stealing narcs or sexual assault. Care to guess what their justification was for doing it? “He/she is a ‘good guy’ “…
My guess would be he was looking at Killam’s “personal copies” of his military records, HMCS(FMF) ret. In a case such as this, personal copies retained by the individual accused of embellishment clearly are suspect – though the fact that Killam showed him a DD214 indicating a General Discharge (Under Honorable Conditions) and Article 15 paperwork does imply that at least those two documents may be genuine.
I seriously doubt he traveled to St. Louis to look at the official copy, or would have been allowed to do so w/o written authorization. And if he had Killam’s written authorization to access the official copy, there would be no “waiting on documents”; he’d almost certainly have been able to leave with a copy.
That’s assuming it happened at all. There’s also the possibility he’s BS-ing us. Not saying that’s the case, but we have no proof either way at this point.
I’m just wondering how big a binder there would be on somebody who only spent a little over three years active duty, that it took “five hours” to do a review.
I don’t believe it would take all that long to examine the documents.
However, if he has every piece of paper that was generated in relation to the UCMJ actions that lead up to his General Discharge, it’s probably at least five or six inches thick.
YMMV.
“Gainey” claims he’ll get the current SEAC to look into this. The current SEAC will (1) roll his eyes and (2) get a staffer to request a FOIA, just like what’s been done, unless there is some Double Secret Probation records repository only accessible to SEACs. I’m beginning to doubt even Joe Gainey is this clueless.
So he was NOT 11B as he told you in the interview?
How could this be?
Looking forward to your next rationalization.
Let us know when you 4 eat his records of “expertise with weapons”.
Gainey: feel free to file a FOIA on Killam yourself. The info you need (Full Name, Service Number, branch of service, and dates of service) are listed in the FOIA copy shown above. (FYI: unlike the SSN, the Vietnam-era and prior Service Number is NOT protected information under the Privacy Act and/or implementing regulations; it’s public record info.)
Better yet, ask Killam to authorize you full access to his complete OMPF on-file at NPRC. He can do that. All it takes is his signature on a piece of paper (e.g., a letter authorizing a copy of his full OMPF to be released to you or a SF180). Since you’re trying to help him out, if he’s telling the truth I’m sure he won’t mind doing that. Right?
In either case, however, it is imperative you have the documents in question sent directly to you and not depend solely on documents provided you by Killam. Why? Let’s just say that we’ve seen plenty of faked documents from those who were caught “shading the truth”. Ditto significant omissions.
If you’re basing what you’re saying on documents from Killam vice official sources, be advised there’s a good chance you’re either not getting the complete story or are looking at less than genuine documents. Or both. We’ve seen far too much of that in the past.
Some of those liars were even defended as being “good guys” who had “done a lot for vets” – because they had. However, that didn’t change the fact that they were lying through their teeth about their own military career.
Hondo… I’m surprised that a retired Senior Enlisted doesn’t know how to file a FOIA or SF-180 considering it was all over the news and Internet when “Jon Karry” was running for POTUS.
No one cares what your priorities are. There is no such thing as a UH-58.
Amen, Brother.
“I have verified the following by actually reading documents:”
1. Does this mean you ‘actually’ read – as in you can read?;
or
2. There were actual documents?
If so which ones?
Please feel free to identify which specifically.
Just like the Oscars give awards for supporting actors, we need a special category in the Stolen Valor tournament for supporting mouthpieces like Gainey.
That award would be called a “Psaulie”.
And if you receive a subsequent award you can add “of the Ballsack” to your title.
And the award could be a mail box with no door.
Gainey (If that is who you really are):
Since you seem to not believe what was posted on this site that Killam was NEVER a Vietnam POW, recommend you contact the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA) and ask them if they have a Michael Duane Killam listed as a Vietnam POW:
http://www.dpaa.mil/Home.aspx
You can contact them on Tuesday. They have an Army Senior Enlisted as part of their Chain of Command.
Should not take a couple of weeks to verify that.
Are you that afraid to find out the truth?
Additionally, why don’t you ask Killam to provide you his Medical Records to verify that he was wounded in Vietnam? And please don’t tell us his wound (that is, if he was wounded) was never recorded. Because if it wasn’t, he is not eligible for the PH.
But you should already know that considering you constantly remind folks you were the first SEAC. You are familiar with AR 600-8-22, right?
Do you really believe this story he told KERA news on 11 September 2014:
“We went to an orphanage that had been mortared,” Killam said. “And we had to get the kids out. I found a little baby. It had something in its chest. I pulled it out and its last breath came out … and a lady slapped me and called me a baby killer. And I thought for a long time that I killed that baby. And my kids, I had four daughters. I wouldn’t touch them. I thought I’d kill them.”
Well?
“If it isn’t documented, it didn’t happen”… how many times have I heard that before???
But, I guess there are exceptions to the rule, especially if you’re buddies with a SMAJ or CMC?
By the way, Gainey (if that is who you really are):
You have not explained your statement that you “served” during the Vietnam ERA.
You graduated from High School in 1975. You came on Active Duty in June 1975.
Don’t think the Delayed Entry Program counts as having “served”.
If I am wrong, please let me know.
When you say “served”, you sound as if you are an Embellisher.
What did you gain by saying you “served”????
But… but… he’s a SMAJ! We’re not supposed to do that!!! He sat on the right hand side of God and the CJCS!!!! We’re suppose to prostrate ourselves on the floor and take his word as being the truth and only the truth!!!
/sarc off
“You graduated from High School in 1975”
Yep, and here are his credentials listed next to his senior picture in the 1975 Yearbook:
Field Day 73,74,75. Football 73. Bus Driver 73,74,75.
And…..Wait for it…..Powder Puff Coach 73.
LMAO !!
Funny (in a stupid way) that he won’t address the documents or the information shown on the DPAA web site.
He’s sticking his head in the sand.
Or up his fundamental orifice.
That or he’s banging his head like a scared retarded Ostrich in a concrete enclosure.
“2. He was reduced to PVT-2 and received a Honorable Discharge under General Conditions”
Perhaps a dyslexic clerk typed that second part. I’ve heard of a General Discharge under Honorable Conditions, but was unable to find the reverse as stated above defined anywhere. BTW, does the record state what rank he was reduced from? Was the reduction in rank the result of a court-martial?
General Discharge = Shitbag.
Gainey’s new name:
CSM or SGM (Retired) Straw Grasper.
MAYBE his POW time was when they wouldn’t let him leave “Mama Lee’s House of Whips & Chains” because he wouldn’t pay his tab?
Is he still yammering on about his desire to prove what has already been proven? And now he claims to only be interested in that which we took issue in the first place?? Well, it’s about time.
Those of us of a certain age, even when we were not ourselves IN Viet Nam, have heard enough reports from those who were to understand some of the basics of how life went at the time. Not gonna give a primer to aspiring wannabes here, but there are a bunch of holes in Killam’s fairy tale, and in “Gainey’s” as well. Not any of that alters the simple fact that Killam was not a POW and was never awarded a Purple Heart.
This really is not at all complicated. Killam lied about being a POW and having been awarded a Purple Heart. Obfuscating that reality with a bunch of other stuff changes nothing.
Here’s a thinker:
Sockpuppet Gainey for Killam is in reality Art Leal, the Dumbass PTS card SJW or his ardent defender Fox Adler.
All above mentioned live in Texas.
Heat increases for Gainey/Killam while Leal/Adler are almost forgotten about.
Just something that makes you go Hmmmmm….It’s possible.
Don’t think it’s Leal or Adler, Claw, unless they’re traveling quite a distance to do so.
Hondo, after doing some other research and giving this whole deal some thought, I now realize that the William J. Gainey who comments here is in actuality, William J. Gainey, the retired 1st SEAC SGM.
However, I believe his connection to Killam goes a lot deeper than just helping out a fellow vet or defending a casual friend.
I believe that Gainey’s defense of Killam has a lot to do with the veteran peer to peer counseling certification that Gainey is attempting to obtain by the end of March. It could be that Killam has been a mentor/teacher to Gainey and even could be the authenticator for that certification.
Probably until that certificate is issued, Gainey will continue to shield/defend Killam from all criticism of being a LSoS about Purple Hearts and having been a POW.
But until Gainey shows up here again and lets us know about all the *new info* he has gathered on Killam, all we can do is speculate on how this plays out. Killam continues to be listed as the HMFIC at the County Vet Services website and no changes have been made to any of Killam’s social media accounts, it’s almost as if no notice of being exposed has occurred at all.
We now return to the cricket serenade while awaiting SGM I.M. Gullible’s newest revelations.
As a side note,the source info about the vet peer to peer counseling certification came from SGM Gainey’s postings on his Facebook page.
What in the wide, wide wild world of sports is going on here. Go away for a day and come back to mass chaos.
[Lamarr’s posse rides up on Bart’s diversion: a single tollbooth in the middle of the desert]
Taggart: *LePetomaine Thruway*? Now what’ll that asshole think of next?
[turns to the posse]
Taggart: Has anybody got a dime?
[henchmen grumble, search their pockets]
Taggart: Somebody’s gotta go back and get a shit-load of dimes!
Well, at least we weren’t dancing around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots!
I thought that was “Phony” Phil Monkress’ team…..
It’s time to act and act fast. I’m leaving. Rev Johnson.
So where’s the tough guy comments these days? Not for one minute are you believable as a real retired as you claim. My guess is you are Lars haunting us again. Look here pal, you do NOT have any credibility on this site any longer. I’m of the opinion that you are “Special Ed” material and read what you could to sound as if you knew what you are talking about. Trouble is, you started on Chapter 14.
Will the REAL SGM Gainey PLEASE step forward?
I doubt he will.
He is to busy stroking off the real Slim Shady.
I guess we could all stand up. (smile)
Gainey, just a couple of observations about your so-called sock puppet report. First, on your grammar. Under Verifications, Number Two You state, “He received a Honorable”. Would that not be AN Honorable….you with the Master’s Degree!!!!?????
Second and more important, YOUR priorities are just plain full of shit. Where in your priorities do you address Killam’s claim of being shot down? Not important to you huh??????
Finally, in your priorities, do you address the matter of him claiming to have been a Prisoner of War for three days? The more you write, the more you expose yourself as just another senseless fraud. Give it up Ronald. Ain’t nobody on this site buying your burgers or fries anymore.
K-deep, K-deep, K-deep, K-deep, K-deep, K-deep..Ah, now you hear ’em.
I have a theory here William J. Gainey (SGM) is probably just what he says. A retired SGM who works with veterans.
Assuming he did 30 years he would not have more than 10 years at the most to work with the Veteran Community.
Killam, the actual topic of this post has had decades to weave his bullshit stories and build a web of deciet and supporters… all of them being tricked into being his backers, based on 2nd third and 4th hand stories of reliable people.
Remember “Sticky Bums” Reynard, the phony up in Canada? he had a ton of people believing him.
I would think that Gainey is having a hard time dealing with finding out this guy was full of shit.
His silence is volumes. Gainey had not been that confrontational, in fact he has been pretty respectful.
We regulars pretty much have faith in when TAH drops the hammer all the boxes are checked.
Not everyone is going to take the research on here as gospel.
Killam is probably at your local fast food joint working the drive thru. Can I have some extra jellies with my biscuit?
That’s a pretty big step considering the fact he looks all felonious and shit. I imagine the hair net and eye fucking customers scares people.
And I have to give Burger King and other fast food joints credit for attempting to give scum such as himself a job and another opportunity. Delta Force dishwashers and POW drive-thru order takers.
Changing minimum wage really had some unintended consequences…..
I’d like a Whopper and a side of lies….
Too soon to start keeping vigil again?
Today is the day that Killam is supposely going to a VA Doctor.For what,I don’t know.
getting his prostate milked
Anal dilation therapy session?
By looking at his sorry ass, I would say jail.
It’s 1530 hrs CST and just came back inside after shoveling out my driveway/sidewalk again.
I am now patiently awaiting the report on the 45 year old gunshot wound to Killam’s leg that was promised to us by the VA Doctor who nametag lists him as *Doctor Carnac the Magnificent.*
In the interim, let’s all listen to a resounding rendition of *Cricket Serenade.*
Holy Smokes with all your snow, Claw! 🙂 Yep, time for the beautiful music from the All Mighty Powder-Puff Team.
That documents review sure is taking a long time.
I was just thinking the same thing. I don’t care who you are, it doesn’t take that long to figure out if someone was a POW in Viet Nam. MAYBE the civil war, but not Viet Nam.
I thinks someone is experiencing what is known in sales and marketing as “buyer’s remorse” for hitching their wagon to a SV phony…
On 17 January 2016 (almost a week ago), I wrote to WJG:
“…recommend you contact the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency (DPAA) and ask them if they have a Michael Duane Killam listed as a Vietnam POW:
http://www.dpaa.mil/Home.aspx
You can contact them on Tuesday. They have an Army Senior Enlisted as part of their Chain of Command.”
Additionally, WJG volunteered to us information that Killam was supposedly going to a VA Doctor this past Wednesday.
Perhaps WJG did find out the truth about Killam and is now hanging/hiding his head in shame or embarrassment.
That is, if it was really WJG who wrote on this Blog.
On another note: Hopefully, we will hear from Bill Schwartz soon about what he uncovered about Edward Richard Williams:
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=63629
I don’t understand why people are willing to go to such lengths to protect flagrant offenders. At the same time I’m sitting on a phony that I’ve done nothing about because of his kids. I’ve reconciled it by drawing a line in the sand. He used his made up background to get himself put on high risk warrant raids. He’s not a cop anymore, but if I hear he is doing it again I won’t have any choice I don’t think.
Day 8 of silence from Gainey.
Actually it’s the start of Day 10 of silence.
Gainey’s last comment was made about 0032 on the morning of 15 January.
I hope he gets back to us soon. The suspense is Killam me.
gggrrrrrrooooooaaaaaaannnnnnnn.
C’mon, Claw, it’s too early on a Sunday morning for that. 😀
It’s funny, because it’s true.
I guessing that means you forgot his 17 Jan commentary above, AKA “SOCK PUPPET REPORT”?
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=63422&cpage=2#comment-2780361
Maybe have another cup of coffee, amigo. It’s still early out west. (smile)
Yep, you’re right. Mea Culpa.
Off to the pot I go. (both ways)
Scooby made me do it.
Update:
Scooby just lined me out on the evils of drinking that namby-pamby 50-50 decaf stuff that the wife prefers.
He suggests I get a second Mr. Coffee and start making the retro version of Monday morning (after sitting cold in the pot all weekend) reheated/reperked motor pool coffee that we all know and love.
I think I’ll take him up on that suggestion.
I just wish SGM Gainey would get over being all butt hurt about not having a clue when it comes to referencing BCG’s.
I guess someone’s priorities have changed.
Yup… and doesn’t want to admit that he made a mistake.
Maybe he can’t handle the truth!
Well, WJG sure was high and mighty coming here, defending Killam, coming up with all these excuses.
So, yep, just as I previously posted, WJG can’t handle the truth.
Met quite a few folks such as him. When they think they are right, they will go in the defense/attack mode.
When they are wrong, they are either quiet or act as the fox in the Aesop Tale of Sour Grapes.
Next thing you know, we will hear that Killam WAS a Vietnam POW…a “prisoner” in the Army Stockades for three days (or four months) during the Vietnam Conflict timeframe, most likely in North Carolina.
And in the meantime, more unsuspecting Veterans are being treated by Killam while he enjoys his new remodeled home.
Approaching the end of day 10 of . . . silence.
*Hello Darkness my old friend*
*I’ve come to talk with you again*
Seems I remember a song by S&G that started out like that.
Anyway, up before the crack of dawn. I have a cup of reheated motor pool joe (sweetened by a generous spoonful of GAA) at the ready. Hell, the cup I’m drinking it from is a genuine Kenro brown mess hall cup. Where’s the SOS, Cookie?
I figured for sure we would have received a SITREP from SGM I.M. Gullible on the 45 year old gunshot wound to Killam’s upper left leg and how a DD215 has already been pushed through awarding him one of his two falsely claimed Purple Hearts. After all, it has been five days since Killam went to see Dr. Carnac at the VA. Geez, entire wars have been fought and won in the span of five days.
So, in the interim, we return to *The Sound of Silence*.
Crickets….yawwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn.
All those documents he’s reading must be in super-fine print to take this long to read.
My best guess is that his sorry ass is holed up in some backwoods redneck bar drinking heavily to feel better about himself.
And the more I think about it, looking at the pictures at the top of the page, I do not think he is working on those aircraft.
He looks like he is/got caught stealing, especially in the bottom one.
I wonder if that (stealing)has something to do with his less-than-fabulous discharge?
Speaking of those pictures, the very first one (in color) where he is leaning against it, that is an OH-13 helicopter.
Yep, the very same helicopter made famous in M*A*S*H* 4077th episodes for doing medivac duties.
So I’m sure he was a doorgunner running Combat Assault missions in one of those./ Bigtime Sarc
“Stealing”? Please.
I believe that was called “midnight requisitioning”. And I have no idea if that’s what’s going on in those photos above. (smile)
FWIW: if the guy’s high rank was E5 and he left the service as an E2, he either had more than one Article 15/NJP (with at least the first being field grade) or he was court-martialed. Takes a minimum of 2 Article 15/NJPs to bust a soldier from E5 to E2 – or one court-martial. And we have good reason to believe he had at least one Article 15.
“Casual Acquisition” was another term used. As for E5 to E2, it took at least a Field Grade Article 15 to reduce an E5 to E4 and another FG Article 15 could knock an E4 to E1 if they screwed the pooch hard enough back when I was AD. Either way, being an E5 and exiting as an E2 says “Dickstepper Extraordinaire” or “Dirtbag el Grande” like a casino sign on the Las Vegas strip!
The silence is deafening here…
C`mon SGM. We all know you`re following along. Eh? I can`t hear you.
Yep. Approaching the end of day 11 of . . . crickets.
Hondo – off topic, but in my unending quest to point out the hypocrisy of prosecution (and lack thereof), witness the charges in Houston regarding the planned parenthood videos. Not trying to turn this into an abortion talk, but I wish they would go after the asshat mil-liars with equal fervor. And yeah, I remember Grandpa saying wish in one hand and …
*YAWN*, nothing yet? Gee whiz, wotta surprise.
Those who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.
Check out the Website for GriefToPeace.Org When Vets Gather:
http://grieftopeace.org/when-vets-gather-video-series/
If one notices, the first three series that addresses Killam are “private”.
The other series are not.
A bad case of Damage Control… the truth is out and they don’t have any idea of how to handle it so “hide” the vids.
I’m sure his co-workers are not real happy with him right now.
Yep, Killam. Another Shake&Bake Spec5 gone bad.
It’s most unfortunate that Killam hasn’t made an appearance here. I’m having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around his claim of having two of his eight high school classmates being KIA in Vietnam.
Just another of the building blocks in his pyramid of lies.