An Occupy protest after my own heart
I snagged this from Facebook because there are so many sociopaths here who won’t join in;
Category: I hate hippies
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This site definitely needs a “like” button.
Like ^^^
I just want to know if the guys in that pic have “End Terrorist Personhood” as part of their manifesto?
Just admit that you have a double-standard of behavior that revolves around your political ideology.
If someone started wearing their uniform and holding up pro-OWS signs from within their barracks room, or on some base in Afghanistan, would you just discount it as “barracks humor”? No, you’d get butthurt and go on a quest to try to figure out who that person was. Or try to intimidate them with your t3h aw3s0me so 1337 GeoIP lookup capabilities.
And there’s no double standard in your behavior, stunb mun?
Shoud I really care what A Troll with the name “Moron Provocateur” written backwards writes? Go play in traffic douch.
Actually, no double standard here. If one of my Joes were to hold up an OWS sign in their barracks room or on the FOB in Afghanistan I would laugh at it and move on because, in all reality as an NCO, I would have far better things to do than to debate the stupidity of the OWS movement with him or her. If said Joe decided that he or she was going to refuse to work or obey orders, that would be a totally different story and he or she would not be in trouble for supporting OWS. Rather they would be in trouble for refusing to work or follow orders. Now, if I were to catch one of my Joes down there at a protest in his or her uniform it would be game on since that is prohibited behavior. And,even when not in uniform, I dont believe that my Joes would be authorized to be at an OWS “protest” any way as the regs below will outline. DOD Instruction 1325.06 Members of the Armed Forces are prohibited from participating in off-post demonstrations under any of these circumstances: a. They are on-duty. b. They are in a foreign country. c. The activities constitute a breach of law and order. d. Violence is likely to result. e. They are in uniform in violation of DoD Instruction 1334.1 (Reference (h)). DOD Instruction 1334.1 The wearing of the uniform by members of the Armed Forces (including retired members and members of Reserve components) is prohibited under any of the following circumstances: 3.1.1. At any meeting or demonstration that is a function of, or sponsored by an organization, association, movement, group, or combination of persons that the Attorney General of the United States has designated, under Executive Order 10450 as amended (reference (c)), as totalitarian, fascist, communist, or subversive, or as having adopted a policy of advocating or approving the commission of acts of force or violence to deny others their rights under the Constitution of the United States, or as seeking to alter the form of Government of the United States… Read more »
Honestly I don’t really get into politics all that much, it’s just fucking hilarious watching you chase your tail like a dog.
What was the name of that dipshit Marine who got his Honorable Discharge downgraded because he showed up to a protest in uniform? Sorry, memory isn’t as good as it used to be, somebody else recall?
Well, it is pretty clear that you’re out of your element, I’ll grant you that.
Jonn, what double standard am I holding?
Sure, sure, you’ve been proven wrong on pretty much everything, and i’m out of my element? Get over yourself dude.
…As far as the statement on the sign. The last part is a quote from our “Dear Leader.” Some folks have short term memory problems. So what the problem with troops quoting the Pres.
SARC/off
JPJ, one of them was Kokesh.
Kokesh was still IRR.
Too easy, yet again. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-06-13-marine-protest-discharge_N.htm
Is that article in some way contradictory to the statement that Kokesh was IRR?
Just have to share this one. Hope this is the correct link.
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s320x320/384878_2245855747615_1284787852_32055864_121411126_n.jpg
Yep, you’re a patriot alright. You enjoy watching your political enemies being pepper sprayed and their right to demonstrate infringed.
No, you aren’t a patriot. You’re American by birth alone.
“What was the name of that dipshit Marine who got his Honorable Discharge downgraded because he showed up to a protest in uniform?” I know you’re trying to live up to your eman, but that kind of addresses the question, doesn’t it? And, who said I was addressing you, kcitskcuf?
I think you fucked up and posted a link that didn’t support an implication you were trying to make.
“Yep, you’re a patriot alright. You enjoy watching your political enemies being pepper sprayed and their right to demonstrate infringed.”
If all they were doing was peacefully demonstrating they probably wouldn’t have gotten peppersprayed.
Your logic is backward.
“Your logic is backward.”
No I know exactly how the whole agitation tactic works. Agitators deliberately provoke police into taking action, not giving a shit about who gets caught up in it.
They then paint themselves as the victim of an out of control security apparatus. Hell some of these agitators might as well be professional victims.
Once the po-po tells you to leave, you are no longer engaged in “protest”, you’re engaged in breaking the law. Look it up when you can borrow someone’s macbook again.
And, “I think”? See, that’s where you fucked up, you aren’t capable of that action.
#68. Nope not at all. They are not political enemies in any way shape or form. They’re kinda like non-people. (Seeing as they want to create an Orwellian nightmare out of this shining city on a hill. . . I think that’s an apt word usage)
As for peperspray. . . how do I say this. . . quit being such a baby. Any troop that’s gone through non-lethal training has gotten sprayed, tased, and otherwise gotten the shit beat out of him. Every troop that makes it through Basic gets gassed with CS (and not just something that they can run away from they have to sit there and suck it in till they have foot long snot loogies coming out of their noses. No sympathy there at all
and sadly all OWS is “demonstrating” is that their parents didn’t raise them very well.
lastly: “No, you aren’t a patriot. You’re an American by birth alone.” well fuck you very much. I’d like to throw out there that you need to pull your head out of your fourth point of contact. Patriotism is NOT flashing a flag about or singing sappy songs, or any of that bullshit. It is the deep and abiding love of country, that works diligently to better the nation. Now if you can reasonably and RATIONALLY explain how not looking for a job, sitting there and demanding people support them while smoking pot is somehow patriotic, I would LOVE to hear it. aside from lofty ideals that are complete and utter bullshit, all of OWS is an example in selfishness on such a staggering scale its astounding.
I would imagine if people would comply with the law and not wish to disobey they wouldnt get sprayed. Yes, you have the right to demonstrate and protest to have your grievances addressed but at no point does your right to protest supersede the rights of the other citizens to use the transit systems and streets.
From Cox v Louisiana
The rights of free speech and assembly, while fundamental in our democratic society, still do not mean that everyone with opinions or beliefs to express may address a group at any public place and at any time. The constitutional guarantee of liberty implies the existence of an organized society maintaining public order, without which liberty itself would be lost in the excesses of anarchy. The control of travel on the streets is a clear example of governmental responsibility to insure this necessary order. A restriction in that relation, designed to promote the public convenience in the interest of all, and not susceptible to abuses of discriminatory application, cannot be disregarded by the attempted exercise of some civil right which, in other circumstances, would be entitled to protection. One would not be justified in ignoring the familiar red light because this was thought to be a means of social protest. Nor could one, contrary to traffic regulations, insist upon a street meeting in the middle of Times Square at the rush hour as a form of freedom of speech or assembly. Governmental authorities have the duty and responsibility to keep their streets open and available for movement. A group of demonstrators could not insist upon the right to cordon off street, or entrance to a public or private building, and allow no one to pass who did not agree to listen to their exhortations.
I’m fairly certain dropping a deuce on the sidewalk in broad daylight is NOT constitutionally protected free speech. Neither is assault, rape or spreading disease. Shit most of those subhuman morons in those hippie camps probably don’t even have an idea why they’re even there.
Redacted1775, then fuck up the guy who dropped a deuce, assaulted someone, or raped someone. And spreading disease is a human reality, you’re going to have to get over that one.
ARoberts, your views are much more reasonable and well expressed, with the exception that not all of the police crackdowns have been limited to keeping streets and sidewalks open.
So you agree then that law enforcement is using the proper level of force to bring the situation under control. And the spread of disease can be minimized with proper hygiene, something that obviously has not been passed down through many generations of filthy hippies.
@78: “spreading disease is a human reality.” Well there is this gal Thyphoid Marry, who on the turn of the century started infecting a lot of people (killing more than a few) Despite many promises NOT to cook food as a profession, she did again and again, and kept getting people sick (and/or dead).
Also when you get people packed into unsanitary conditions you WILL start diseases, some of which can become more virulent/lethal in such conditions. It is clear that no thought of sanitation was ever given to this protest. Thus, as an act in the public’s best interest to PREVENT such an occurrence or outbreak, and clean out Zucatti Park.
Also when it becomes apparent that there might be a threat of larger violence OR that these people are bothering workers or trying to bar people from going about to their jobs. . . that is yet another reason to act, and act with as much force as necessary.
You’re right, not all of these crackdowns have come as a result of trying to keep streets open and usable. Some of them have occurred because of the drug use, rape, assault, and unclean living conditions in these camps. The police owe it to the community in which they serve to protect the community from harm. If OWS camps begin to cause a community to be unsafe, be it from drugs, assaults, diseases, etc, than it is in the community’s best interest for these camps to be removed.
As for spreading disease, yes that is something that humans do and will continue to do until there are no more diseases or there are no more humans. However, the spread of disease can be countered with proper hygiene. Things like washing your hands after using the restroom, washing your clothing, brushing your teeth, using appropriate facilities when using the restroom, and the list goes on.
Where is the balance between safety of a community and the right of the people to protest? I haven’t been to an Occupy protest save for a short visit to a solidarity encampment in my town. But it seems that “security” or “safety” concerns are an easy reason to shut down things inconvenient to the state, or other establishments. If people are still willing to push through disease and potential danger in order to make themselves heard, I have a problem with telling them that they should get back home and just keep it virtual because of “safety concerns”. When the right to protest was enumerated there were still problems of safety and health, but the Constitution doesn’t caveat the right to protest by those things – only by the intent of peaceable assembly.
This isn’t new in the American experience. The Bonus Army and hoovervilles come to mind.
#80 Doc Bailey
Don’t forget the best part, they got tired of her infecting and killing others and parked her ass on an island. I’m just wondering how far that Tuberculosis spread that was mentioned in a story a while ago. Even more interested to see if it’s one of the two, drug resistant strains.
Also, I miss the days of creative and funny trolls, they were at least fun to poke. This one’s just living up to part of his name.
It’s pretty simple really. If you’re somewhere you’re not supposed to be and the police tell you to move, you move. If you don’t move, then you are responsible for what happens after that. Could be an ASP, could be a taser, could be pepperspray, could be tear gas. The force continuum works in that it allows the police to use the minimum amount of force necessary to bring a situation under control, it is reactive in nature to the actions of a suspect. So if you don’t want to feel the effects of any of the cool toys cops get to play with, do what they ask. Either way comparing the occuturds to the Bonus Army is pretty thin, at best.
#83, I agree, if you’re gonna be a troll you should at least try.
Redacted1775, so you’re saying you are opposed to the concept of civil disobedience in any context?
They are on active duty but they still have freedom of speech rights. The US Supreme Court determined that all actions prejudicial to good order and discipline are not allowed. Not all political actions. A) They are deployed and cannot wear any other clothing. B) They still have freedom of speech rights. C) They are not proposing anyone vote for or against a specific candidate, cause, or party. D) They are telling people to get back to work and not fighting with police like vets at OWS riots. There’s nothing wrong with the picture.
And yes I would classify diobeying and fighting with police officers at a riot IN UNIFORM to be extremely prejudicial to good order and discipline.
HEY LOOK AT ME! I have a nifty new hipster pen name. I would call it a “pseudonym” but that would imply that it is a false name.
Shit! Looks like someone beat me to it…
A) They are deployed and cannot wear any other clothing.
Know how I can tell that you’ve never deployed?
You know how you can tell that I’m typing from Kandahar?
If you’re at Kandahar I KNOW that you know that people wear civilian clothes when they’re not at work. Please.
This is rich. So if we accept your premise that the OWS protesters are protesting the “establishment” then we have to assume that you also think that Soldiers cannot support the “establishment”?
Maybe your version of a “deployment” includes time when you’re “not at work”.
How much of Kandahar have you seen exactly? It’s not just an airfield with a coffee shop.
Maybe that’s an unfair question. Not everyone can be 11 series. There has to be infantry support out there too. So I will settle for an answer as to why you want to take away the freedom of speech for the people that guarantee that right for you?
The Bonus Army was vastly different from OWS. The Bonus Army consisted of 17000 WWI vets and their families who were protesting in order to have their Certificates of Service paid out immediately rather than wait until 1945 for the certificates to mature. When their encampment was formed it was done so in an organized fashion and all protestors who wished to live there were required to provide proof that they had been honorably discharged from the US Armed Forces and to register with the camp. Streets were laid out and sanitation facilities were built so that people would not have to live in filth. The Bonus Army was evicted from Washington DC by the DC cops. The protestors decided to reoccupy their camp, at which point two police officers were trapped in a building. The police officers drew their service weapons and,in fear of imminent danger, shot two veterans, both of whom later died. This brought on action from the federal government resulting in the use of US Army units to drive the protestors across the river. Unfortunately, and against the orders of Herbert Hoover, MacArthur pushed the attack further resulting in the injury of 55 protestors and the arrest of 135 more. Now, having said all that, there are some similarities between OWS and The Bonus Army. Both groups were protesting, some peacefully others not so much, and were forced from their encampments. Both groups decided to reoccupy their encampments and met resistance from the local constabulary. This is where the similarities start to fade. The military has NEVER been used against an OWS protest and likely will not be. No one has been killed at an OWS protest, as of yet thankfully, because they chose to disobey the local law enforcement officers. The Bonus Army had a clear cut goal in mind, the immediate payout of their Certificates of Service. What is the goal of OWS or do they even have a defined goal? Now on to your comments about Hoovervilles Rueta Covorp Norom. Hoovervilles were encampments across the country that consisted of people who were homeless… Read more »
Redacted1775, so you’re saying you are opposed to the concept of civil disobedience in any context?
I don’t believe he did, moron. But don’t bitch about the consequences if you’re not willing to face them, mkay?
Jesus, I leave for one day and this happens? This is why we can’t have nice things, people. Time to leave the troll to his CalPoly-SLO poly sci professors badmouth America while they cash six-figure paychecks from the state.
Excuse me? Guys? Ignorant knuckle-dragging Marine over here. Forgive me since I had to re-read the sign several times (Thanks for the Hooked on Phonics disk, mom) just to make sure I was seeing things right.
I don’t see any political affiliation on that sign anywhere. I just see a parody of the whole occutards signage along with an exhortation directed at filthy hippies to get back to work. Can someone please tell me how it’s political?
NR Pax, don’t hold your breath, the lone defender of occutards can’t come up with anything on that sign that’s political. It’s just behaving like the chimp, throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.
Then there is this gem, “And spreading disease is a human reality, you’re going to have to get over that one”. Um, yeah, and there are laws in most states against knowingly spreading AIDS, and those with TB can be forcibly quarantined, according to the CDC. So, someone is going to have to get over that means of trying to excuse Occutard behavior.
I have noticed that our manchild .03 is really trying hard to push people in the corner with all sorts of “gotcha” situations. Unfortunately the manchild hasn’t been very successful, except in his own mind, where he goes to stroke his ego by telling himself he’s smarter than we are because he knows it to be true in his mind.
I have read in utter amazement how you can go from portraying these OWS types as brave patriots one minute and helpless victims the next. Yeah, as the typical leftist playbook (Saul Alinsky’s rules for radicals) tells them; be aggressive and provoke altercations with law enforcement by disobeying their instructions and lawful orders, then start crying like the pussies you really are and play the victim card. Just like was done in DC a week ago. Just like is done by Code Pinko every time they do one of their “direct actions”. Please inform us of what your lefty friends think is a “direct action” when they call for it, because the only direct action I’ve seen from them is bleeding after getting the Tonya Tapper upside their melons.