Weekend Open Thread
Many TAH readers have flown on a C-130. But it’s possible few know the aircraft’s true maximum possible passenger capacity.
Oh, sure – the book says that the earlier models can hold “64 paratroopers or 92 combat troops”. But when push comes to shove, the bird can carry a few more than that.
As in over 350 more. And I am not joking.
. . .
Tan Son Nhut Air Base, 29 April 1975. The North Vietnamese were advancing on Saigon, and a massive evacuation of US and other friendly personnel was underway. Originally planned as an evacuation of 13,000, the evacuation is estimated to have moved nearly 130,000 persons to safety.
At the time Tan Son Nhut was literally a war zone. Over 100 aircraft were either damaged and/or destroyed on the air base flight line, with some still burning.
However, one C-130 – tail number 56-0518 – remained there in flyable condition. It has been a USAF asset from delivery in 1957 until 1972, but was then transferred from the USAF to the RVNAF.
Its pilot on 29 April 1975 was an RVNAF officer named Major Phuong (regrettably, I couldn’t determine the man’s full name). As he prepared to leave, his aircraft was being mobbed by literally hundreds.
So many people boarded the plane that while taxiing the loadmaster informed Maj Phuong that he couldn’t close the rear ramp. Phuong then slammed on the brakes, which pushed the mass of passengers forward. (Some accounts say he did this multiple times in order to make room for more evacuees.) The doors were closed, and the aircraft – though overloaded by an amount estimated to be at least 5 tons – successfully took off.
Accounts indicate the aircraft needed more than 10,000 feet to get airborne – and the runway at Tan Son Nhut was only 10,000 feet. The bird didn’t lift off until it was on Tan Son Nhut’s 1,000’ runway overrun.
After an eventful flight (in addition to the high APF takeoff, they also became disoriented over the Gulf of Thailand), Phuong and his aircraft eventually reached safety. After landing, 452 personnel exited the plane – 32 of whom had been crammed into the cockpit.
. . .
No, this isn’t some bogus “tall tale”. It actually happened. It’s documented here, here, here, and here. Multiple other accounts also exist, though not all are accurate (some sources indicate, erroneously, that the aircraft was a USMC C-130).
Living free vice under a Communist dictatorship is often a powerful motivation to do truly amazing – and insanely dangerous – things.
Afterwards, the aircraft was returned to the USAF. It continued to fly until 1989, at which point it was retired.
The aircraft wasn’t send to Davis-Monthan AFB and scrapped, though. In recognition of the fact that it was the last C-130 to leave Vietnam, the aircraft was retained as a memorial. It is today on static display outside the main gate of Little Rock AFB, AR.
OK, enough aviation history for today. Enjoy the WOT, everyone – and the weekend.
Category: Historical, Open thread, YGBSM!!
1st
Congrats Chief. I’ve only broken the top 10 once before, so this is a personal best for me.
Nicely done.
I can see there is an element of luck here but I’m still not convinced it’s on the level.
Congrats HMC, may you enjoy your week on the TAH WOT throne!
Congrats Chief.
Thanks to all for their thanks to me. Appreciate it. Hang in there Willy, your brother’s day will come some day.
Karma is pronounced ‘Fuck You MF. It’s Payback Time’
His time will come.
Thanks Chief, I just hope it comes soon! Karma is a real bitch!!!
Congrats, HMC.
2nd
2nd/top 5?
And the crowd ROARS its approval. Have a good and safe Friday and weekend to all of youse. Blessings …
Thank you very much, Mason. I started checking in about 1157 and more or less lucked into it. I consider it my greatest accomplishment to date.
Bwhaaa
“I consider it my greatest accomplishment to date.”
And well you should. It is the one competition that is open to all people everywhere, regardless of whatever you can think of, so long as they are connected to Algore’s invention. Yet, there can be but one First. Now, be a good sport and rub everyone’s nose in it, perhaps something akin to Chip’s ‘Bite me bitches!’
Rumor, and only a rumor on some of the blogs, algore will try to make a comeback in 2020. Still looking for his 15 minutes.
Same here. Was eating lunch and clicked back to the main page and saw the WOT there with only one reply. Time slowed down. It felt like I could taste the electrons coming through the Internet wires. My laptop and I became one and we replied before the deluge.
6th and starving for peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Out of peanut butter, crunchy preferred, and making beef veg soup later on today from leftover orast beef.
You should be 4th Ex, and the horror, no peanut butter. 300 plus products from the lowly goober pea made famous by the Georgia Militia and Mr. George Washington Carver. Do you make them ala Elvis, on toast with ‘nannas?
Jif Extra Crunchy. Non GMO, Gluten free and made in America from non Jimmah Carter sourced peanuts.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jif+commercial+1988&view=detail&mid=929DC0FE6E661F753B3C929DC0FE6E661F753B3C&FORM=VIRE
I have found Smuckers Naturals Extra Crunchy peanut butter to be as near to a peanut butter utopia as one can get, but I will look for Jiffy Extra Crunchy, too.
Naturals is made the way peanut butter was made when I was in 2nd grade, with the peanut oil in the jar. I also like Smuckers Natursls and Welch’s Naturals jams and preserves. Made the way they’re supposed to be made, like we did when I earned my allowance in the summer by hanging the bag of grapes from a hook and twisting it until there was no more juice from the bag. Never had to be refrigerated, either, because the paraffin seal kept it fresh from the start.
Simpler times.
If anyone is looking for flour-sacking towels, Lehman’s Hardware sells them in packs of 6 and 10.
https://www.lehmans.com/product/flour-sack-towels-pack-of-6/
My Aunt Helen used to embroider them for her kitchen. Not that hard to do, either, and one way to pass the time in the winter.
“paraffin seal”
Used to make wax lips every time mom opened a another jar.
Ooops, sorry. “orast” beef comes from the wild orast, a pronghorned kudzugnutria that grazes on the slopes of the hidden valleys of the lost Kingdom of Aberdeen.
I meant ‘roast’ beef, not ‘orast’ beef.
I just figured it went with green eggs and ham.
It’s true. The kudzugnutria does look something like Dr. Seuss drew it on the back of an envelope and folded it.
But that is nothing compared to the legendary pushmepullya grasselope. Rare animal, so rare that camera tourists can only get their money back if they see one and photograph it.
I once ordered a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in a diner. The waitress asked me if I was serious; I reminded her it was on their menu. She yelled that it was on the kid’s menu; so what, said I, I’m a big kid. She went back to the kitchen from where I heard more yelling. She returned to my table and told me they were out of peanut butter, but, she assured me the cook will not let them run out again if he knows what’s good for him.
It’s sad that some days you just can’t get peanut butter.
PH: Did I hear you say, ‘sammich?’
I like PB, but The Russian LIKES PB. She eats it by the jar while watching TV. She only likes Peter Pan, which is good b/c Publix has them boo about every six weeks. They have no other brand as a logo.
I simply love the heck out of natural preserves, with chunks of fruit, no high fructose stuff and not overwhelming amount of sugar. If it’s so sweet it hurts my teeth, I don’t want it.
I like PB sandwiches with mayo and bananas on fresh white bread.
Speaking of Elvis, I was night Chief of the Day at the Naval Hospital in Millington (Memphis) the night he died. The newspaper racks in the hospital were stacked with the local newspaper announcing his death. Did I buy them out to sell later at a much higher price? Oh, no, I bought one, but they were sold out quickly. The newspaper came out with an additional edition later in the day, but they can be identified as later edition and are worth little or nothing.
boo: Should be bogo
logo: Should be bogo
Autocorrect
Poor old Elvis. I liked his ballads and the way he did ‘Jailhouse Rock’.
Ok settle for 3rd was making snide ass post on another thread, waiting on Gunsmoke. Miss Kitty 1958 vintage. Congrats Chief, enjoy your reign!
Stiff competition from Peggy Castle as Lilly on ‘The Lawman’…. yum.
Linda Cristal, Victoria Cannon, “High Chaparral”. Dios mio…
I get stiff anytime I see competition like that.
First
10 or maybe 11.
Yup almost.
Top 10
First, let me say that I am glad to know you all, even though nobody stopped by for trick or treating. Miserable bunch of bastards.
Second, all I got was two trick or treaters.
Third, my wife over planned for the number we would be getting. She bought two bags of candy at Sam’s Club.
I am now trying to figure out how to get rid of the rest, because I do not need to get any fatter than I already am.
“I am now trying to figure out how to get rid of the rest”
Veterans Day is near. Find some poser with a sign and toss it at him.
“Veterans Day is near. Find some poser with a sign and toss it at him.”
Funny as hell
Oh, yeah, that was funny as hell. Sorry I didn’t think of it first.
“Poser with a sign”, if you are down Lakeland Florida, way, the Piece of shit, poser, Kyle Christopher Barwan, Dept. of Corrections #H50625 has been released. He gave an address in the Lakeland area as his new residence, according to the alert I got from DOC. I haven’t determined yet if he is fully free, or on Parole/Probation, still owing the $6,700+ that he owes in restitution and court costs. I fully expect that he will be re-leashed soon, as I feel that he will resort to scamming to support himself. I will be observing as best I can, to see if he sticks his head up.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/offenderSearch/detail.aspx?Page=Detail&DCNumber=H50625&TypeSearch=IR
Kyle Christopher Barwan will do just fine living off of the residuals from the film classic Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. Not many people know that the film is based on his life.
I celebrate Halloween vicariously nowadays, enjoying seeing how my grandchildren and other kid-type relatives dress up on Book of the Face. I do not participate in the door-to-door candy extortion any longer, either as a taker or as a giver.
I guess I’ve just become a grumpy old man.
Nah, just a wretched old soul . . . . (smile)
I see what you did there … Good one!
Same here. Nobody on our street decorated and the lights were off, so we only had two groups of kids stop by. Also, I must be getting old, because I’m noticing more and more how lazy kids and/or their parents are these days, what with all the trunk or treating, driving the kids around, and walking by houses if the owner isn’t set up with a bowl of candy by the street. My driveway isn’t even that long (est 20ft)!
people will never know. Interesting Veterans Statistics off the Vietnam Memorial Wall. There are 58,267 names now listed on that polished black wall, including those added in 2010. The names are arranged in the order in which they were taken from us by date and within each date the names are alphabetized. It is hard to believe it is 61 years since the first casualty. The first known casualty was Richard B. Fitzgibbon, of North Weymouth, Mass. Listed by the U.S. Department of Defense as having been killed on June 8, 1956. His name is listed on the Wall with that of his son, Marine Corps LCpl Richard B. Fitzgibbon III, who was killed on Sept. 7, 1965. There are three sets of fathers and sons on the Wall. 39,996 on the Wall were just 22 or younger. 8,283 were just 19 years old. The largest age group, 33,103 were 18 years old. 12 soldiers on the Wall were 17 years old. 5 soldiers on the Wall were 16 years old. One soldier, PFC Dan Bullock was 15 years old. 997 soldiers were killed on their first day in Vietnam. 1,448 soldiers were killed on their last day in Vietnam. 31 sets of brothers are on the Wall. Thirty one sets of parents lost two of their sons. 54 soldiers attended Thomas Edison High School in Philadelphia. I wonder why so many from one school 8 Women are on the Wall, Nursing the wounded. 244 soldiers were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War; 153 of them are on the Wall Beallsville, Ohio with a population of 475 lost 6 of her sons. West Virginia had the highest casualty rate per capita in the nation. There are 711 West Virginians on the Wall. The Marines of Morenci – They led some of the scrappiest high school football and basketball teams that the little Arizona copper town of Morenci (pop 5,058) had ever known and cheered. They enjoyed roaring beer busts. In quieter moments, they rode horses along the Coronado Trail, stalked deer in the Apache National Forest. And… Read more »
Excellent post Jeff. Thanks!
“The most casualty deaths for a single month was May 1968 – 2,415”
And I had just completed Basic thinking the war would be over soon. Two years later it wasn’t and neither was I.
TNX the stats. Always nice to review the facts. And share them with the young.
Just after Valentine’s Day in 1966 a young 19 year old family friend joined those names on the wall…
Those of us who saw what that war did to families, to friends, who served after the war with those who were there…it will always be more than just numbers. It will always be bittersweet….sweet because my uncle who is only a few years older than me is alive and well running his business just outside Atlanta…but bitter for the memory of that family friend and oh so many names on that wall, so many families impacted.
VOV, I’ve been there a few times and choked up beyond talking on every visit, The worst was a cold, rainy night. I have some friends there, one who was the best young soldier I had in my squad.
Jeff, some additional stats that dispel some often repeated misconceptions:
Percentage of draftees KIA: 30.35% not the majority as is sometimes erroneously claimed.
Percentage of blacks KIA: 12.44% which is approximate to their overall representation in the population at the time, not the wildly disproportionate number as is sometimes erroneously claimed.
Number of accidental deaths: 9,107 or 15.64% of the total 58,220.
Enlisted deaths: 48,717 or 83.68% of the total 58,220.
Officer/Warrant Officer deaths: 7,881 or 13.54% a figure disproportionately higher perhaps due to WO’s flying helicopters although the figure without warrants, 6,604 also seems higher than the percentage of officers serving in combat arms units. One has to wonder how many were second lieutenants.
Just found this:
Death by Rank
There were 7,878(1) American officers died in Vietnam War, including:
1,278 Warrant Officers
2,981 Lieutenant
2,045 Captain
898 Major/Lt Commander
426 Lt Colonel/Commander
238 Colonel
12 who had reached the rank of general. Major general/Rear Admiral was the highest ranking personnel died in Vietnam. Among five major general’s deaths, there were two served in the United States Army, two in the United States Air Force, and the other one in the United States Marine Corps.
I am tremendously saddened each time I read of the sacrifices of these mostly youngsters. And each time I shed a tear, really, thinking of what I often consider unnecessary. Other times I think otherwise, but always with a tear. 1448 on their last day. God help us.
Poetrooper; One of my OKIE 3 Shipmates sent that to me a week or so ago but it has been on the internet before. I wonder why your additional info was not mentioned in the above. Interesting.
Several years I was helping my wife’s sister do some family history in the cemetery for town they grew up in, when looking at the city’s Vietnam Nam memorial, they had a young marine listed as receiving the MEDAL OF HONOR. He was in a bunker with 4 others when their base was attacked by the VC. The other 4 were killed or so badly they didn’t figure it the fight. The MOH candidate did recover enough to rejoin the fight. To find out the reason of the story look up MARINE PFC MELVIN L. NEWLIN IN THE MEDAL OF HONOR WEB SITE. THE DATE OF THE BATTLE WAS 4 JULY 1967. He was assigned to ‘F’ Company, 2nd battalion, 5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Divison. And the reason I ever heard of him at all was a visit to the cemetery in my wife’s hometown of Wellsville Ohio.
I had seen this list in the past and had to break out my calculator after reading the part about ages. It says that 39,996 were 22 or younger. I added up those aged 19, 18, 17, 16, & 15, from the list, and got 41,404 or 1,408 more than the 39,996 figure.
Any number was too many, but I am curious about the numbers.
9% of all names on “The Wall” are helicopter crewmen. 12% of names on ‘The Wall’ died in a helicopter.
I left Vietnam at the end, in April, 75. The runway was cratered. The aircraft I was on took off on the runway’s edge, with the loadmaster/crew chief kicking flares out the back. The pilot told me, when we landed at Clark, that we took fire to 15,000′.
My pilot was US Air Force, but I found many VNAF pilots among the best.
15’th, and the best looking one too !!!
Present. Happy Friday!
Nothing like sitting in a 130 packed nuts to butts on pallets with straps stretched from side in the Viet of the Nam heat. Tet 68: Song Be to Phu Bai.
A section of the 3rd MARINE DIV. BAND was returning from KHE SHAN to base in PhuBai we got to Dong Ha and had to change planes. Problem no direct flights to PhuBai best we do was a flight to DaNang. Once there we were able to flight to Phu Bai on a C-130 bound for Okinawa. When the plane got to Phu Bai it was twilight. As we were landing, the plane tilt upward at the nose and heard the engines go to full power. The pilot climbed out of the landing profile as went around a d did a hostile fire zone landing. Afterward talking with some who had been sitting next to crew chief/load master he said he heard the crew chief/load master to report a round passing through the tail. Save landing and very quick unload and back into the air for the plane.
Was about to comment on the same thing. 452 on a plane designed for 92! Gives nut-to-butt a whole new meaning.
Try it in Aug in Kuwait. In a C130 painted dark grey or black.
Thanks Hondo.
Brings back memories….all good! (smile)
For all of the TAH’s Dickweeds entertainment, I bring you the following:
Hypno training video?
I’ve been listening to those cadences on Spotify. Good memories. Always had at least 1 guy in the platoon that could really do them. In the 60s they certainly were not politically correct. Two ole ladies laying in the bed, one rolled over to the other and said…
I have AIT troopies marching by my workplace every morning. Yesterday they were singing “A yellow bird, with a yellow bill…”.
Did my heart good and I was pleasantly surprised to hear the “Non-PC” version!
I wanna be a forest ranger, I wanna live up in a tree
I know a girl lives on the hill…
I know her sister!
There’s a Lady dressed in pink…
What, nothing about monkeys and coconut groves? (smile)
I loved cadence. Today, at the VA, a “youngun”, probably under 50 saw my Airborne belt buckle, and asked: “Where were you airborne at?” I told him that I did jump school at Ft. Campbell and was in the 101st Airborne, in two different units. He said: “Try again, the 101st isn’t Airborne, it is Air Assault.”. I told him that it damned sure was Airborne, before it was “Air Mobile”, which was before it was “Air Assault”. He said: “I was in the 82nd.” I replied: “So was my niece, a girl.” He didn’t have a comeback for that.
Killer smack upside the head!!!
Don’t mess with old men.
Another verse that was called out by PJ studs early 70’s
“Hit the ground hard and fast…
…drive that grass right up my ass”
or something like that, almost 50 years ago.
I ought to just give up on being first … working has a habit of getting in the way. Ah, well. So let’s do this week’s trivia column instead! Hope you all enjoy! DID YOU KNOW…? Were tomatoes once considered poisonous? By Commissioner Wretched There’s been a lot in the news lately about a substance that is widely used and abused … dihydrogen monoxide. You’ve never heard of it, you say? Well, let me educate you a bit. Dihydrogen monoxide is perhaps the single most prevalent of all chemicals, and it can actually be dangerous to human life. Most people just shrug off the proper concerns expressed about the substance, and that’s a shame. See, dihydrogen monoxide is everywhere. You ingest a good deal of it every day. It’s found just about everywhere on Earth. It is even suspected to be found in outer space! It’s an insidious little booger, too. It manages to make its way everywhere, even in between layers of solid rock. It’s in the air, it’s in the trees and plants, it’s literally all around us. And, in a weird way, I’m glad that it is. You see, dihydrogen monoxide goes by another name … water. Why did I go through that? To prove to you that things aren’t always what they seem to be. But you already know that trivia is exactly what it seems to be … enjoyable! Drop an e-mail to me at didyouknowcolumn@gmail.com and I’ll be happy to answer. Let’s get going with some really great trivia! Did you know … … one package of ramen noodles contains about 50 percent of the recommended daily intake of salt for a human being? Yes, the staple food of college students everywhere is not necessarily good for you, at least as far as salt is concerned. (But they taste so good!) … only female ducks quack? Male ducks, known as drakes, can coo, hoot, honk, and grunt, but they don’t quack. (That fact just quacks me up.) … men are struck by lightning seven times more often than women? (Shocking, I know.) … tiger… Read more »
“…one in four American Households owns a cat?” More like “…one in four American Households is owned by one or more cats.”!
I guess I am above average with my 7 cats that own me? Dogs have owners, cats have staff!
Commish Wretched; So a male duck could possibly starve because he wouldn’t be able to eat milk and Quackers, I just Quacked up over my comment.
Your the pun master today Commish. (short for commissioner).
It’s true, Commish. There is dihydrogen monoxide in outer space. It’s been found on Mars and on the Moon. One of Jupiter’s moons is covered with it. It’s everywhere!
Whatever will we do?????
FACT: Every polluted river has dihydrogen monoxide in it.
Wow. My early Supervisor was at Tan Son Nhut working the Aerial Port and TMO roles. He said it’s wasn’t too bad. They got shelled about 3 or 4 in the afternoon most days if the VC or RVN /PAVN? felt like it and then everyone (assuming on both sides) went to chow.
He was nonchalant about it.
http://www.vspa.com/tsn-o51-bunker-tet-coggins-to-the-last-man-1968.htm
One of the things I thought was strange about Tan Son Nhut was that if you were driving from the MACV Annex to the Tan Son Nhut main terminal, the road took you past a junkyard where there were many acres of crashed, shot up, beat up, and wrecked fixed and rotary wing aircraft.
It was pretty much a gruesome reminder of how dangerous flying could be– just before you got on an aircraft to fly someplace.
Being a helicopter crewman was one of the most dangerous jobs in Vietnam. 9% of all names on “The Wall” are helicopter crewman. That’s more than twice the % of Marine Infantry.
Some said that the life expectancy of a Door Gunner in Combat was about fourteen seconds and I’ve read glowing accounts about the bravery of Chopper Crews in Vietnam, especially MEDEVAC.
Pfftt, not first again.
Didn’t they tell you? Once you are granted Dashboard access, you can view when the WOT will pop. This of course is an unfair advantage, and those with Editor privileges are barred from competing.
For some irony, the guy who was the first “First!” can no longer compete for just that reason.
*grin*
I never know when Hondo is going to drop his load on us. Simply trying to avoid his insertion is enough.
Ex-PH2, you “avoid insertions”? Really? You should move to Alabama and teach that to the country girls with male cousins. They have never been able to “avoid insertions”.
Well, Frankie, those country girls have a way of doing things that has been handed down through generations.
And who am I to disrupt traditions? There is simply no accounting for stupid things that people do.
“For some irony” — Not irony, it’s a rule.
“Without rules, we’d all just be sitting in a tree flinging our crap at each other” (H/T to BMC Red Forman)
Does the date of 24 Apr 2015 sound familiar?
*grin*
Heh, as a matter of fact it does.
And I’m in complete agreement, Claw. With privilege comes responsibility.
Imagine the scandal if I or another Editor gundecked the WOT- that would be akin to the Black Sox scandal of 1919!
I know, just like to complain that I cant compete.
Enjoy the weekend!
Spoken like a true Sailor- you’re only happy when bitching about something.
*grin*
My latency is a consistent 8 minutes when I finally see my claim to first.
Is that because I’m in Maine?
That, and you’re on 28.8 dialup…
“men are struck by lightning seven times more often than women? (Shocking, I know.)”
Did Jeff LPH 3, 63-66 give you a hand with that pun? (grin)
Thanks Commissioner Wretched for your weekly trivia column…..I enjoy reading it.
Have a great weekend.
“men are struck by lightning seven times more often than women?”
That is like saying “Fishermen catch more fish than deer hunters do.”
Men go outside where lightning strikes more than women. Men are on metal ladders, on the golf course, and in their farm fields more than women.
Men are also known to fly kites during thunderstorms. Another interesting statistic is that disbarred attorneys are more likely to leave a flightline with an insufficient fuel level.
Men have lightning rods.
The second part of this article is pretty cool.
https://www.legion.org/stories/why-i-love-my-post/tail-number-and-tale-two-airmen
wow! Can’t make this shit up.
Have a great weekend y’all!
Safety brief time:
If you drink, do not drive.
If you drive, do not drink.
Don’t beat your wife, girlfriend(s), kids or dog.
Don’t beat your neighbors’ wife, girlfriend(s), kids or dog.
Don’t swim with power tools.
If your are ‘going swimming’, wrap it up.
Speed limits aren’t suggestions.
If I or the CO have to come get you, ours will be the last face you see.
So do not get caught.
See how easy that was? Didn’t have to march the company to Bn HQ 45 minutes ahead of time to hear the SGM take 30 minutes to say the same thin(g)s.
Oh, wait. I think I signed something somewhere…
Happy weekend to all.
40-some and Honorary First once again.
((((OVER))))
Somewhere in the top 60. When I first started reading I would have been in the mid 40’s. Now to go back and some additional to a couple of threads.
I’ve been a passenger on the ski equipped Herc’s (LC-130) many times.
Speaking of C130s…
JUMP!
https://youtu.be/2DZPIGhL3bY
Speaking of JUMP!…
Would love to some Airborne stories from any TAH Paratroopers.
Go Army! Beat Navy!
Jump story
Cco 307ENGER
The new guy was supposed to do his first jump with just his LBE and helmet. His platoon made him jump an M60 machine gun. When he went to lower his equipment he accidently released the entire weapon from himself. So it fell about 400-500 feet and hammered inti Sicily DZ. His food chain blamed the new guy 100% and accepted zero responsivity for violating the Division first jump policy. And the troop received a report of survey for the weapon.
Welcome to Airborne!
Report of Survey….
Claw, where are you, i.e. cost of a M60?
Thanks for sharing, Sapper!
M60 Machine Gun FSN: 1005-605-7710
Unit Replacement Cost: Roughly 6K depending on whether any parts can be salvaged from it that are still serviceable.
Pffft. You Army guys jumping with parachutes.
Ok….you got me, because you made me laugh…
And I’ll be laughing more…when Army beats Navy…Again!
Sicily drop zone , good times
Weekly YouTube finds:
https://youtu.be/8AyHH9G9et0 – The legend of the SR-71 asking for his airspeed, showing up a Navy Hornet, as told by the man who was there.
https://youtu.be/eJ9taW2vYng – Army AH-56. An incredible helicopter that didn’t make it to production. It was the Comanche of its day.
https://youtu.be/kst3dscg54M – Awesome cars? Check. Bad acting? Oh yeah. Terrible script? Indeed. Hot go-go dancer? Very nice. I do love how in the 60’s GM brands competed against each other like this.
https://youtu.be/kVpYvV0O7uI – This is a long one. A look at, and analysis of, the politics of Starship Troopers. Mostly covers the book, but delves into the movie a tad where there’s overlap with the book (which isn’t much). I’m sure Starship Troopers has been read by most here at least once.
That Cheyenne helicopter looks like the love child of an OV-10 and a Huey.
So I guess that the SR71 didn’t really have any touch’n’go, close pattern training.
IN that C-130 link up above, there is another link to some historic photos. I took a chance and sat through it. No commentary, just captions at the bottom in English, and some music that is somber, but in keeping with some of the photos such as an American with some GIs at a prison camp in Japan. And photos of a young Joe Stalin. Rommel is in there, too, as is one of Hitler’s massed gatherings at the Cathedral of Light.
Definitely worth a look.
I had another outstanding VA Appointment today.I had a 1030 Hrs appointment with the Urology tech to check my flow speed, and then an 1100 Hrs appointment with the Urology Doc, a well qualified PA. I have been on a medication to reduce the size of my prostate, (I dodged Prostate Cancer). It was so enlarged that we feared that it could prevent fully emptying my bladder which could have resulted in “stale” urine becoming toxic and poisoning me. After 6 months on a heavier than normal dose of Finasteride, the flow test showed that I was running “wide open”, and nearly totally emptying my bladder, well below any danger level. I am “good to go at that station”. I hit a kiosk and punched in my travel info, and was out the door at 1015 Hrs, 15 minutes before I was scheduled to be there, even after schooling a “youngun” on my Airborne past. The Pensacola JACC is a top shelf facility and could be a model on how to run the VAOPCs that are underperforming. This evening I will pen a long hand letter to the Gulf Coast VA boss, giving Kudos to the staff at Pensacola.
So that means you’re running on all 10 cylinders now, right, Frankie? Just want to be sure.
Frankie: That is my VA. I was also a plank owner there. It’s hit or miss. I’m going in next week to make an appointment. I’ve received three letters and two calls to my answering machine telling me they are trying to get in touch with me and I need to call to make an appointment. I spent NLT four hours on the phone this past week calling three different numbers. The last letter gave me a number that took me to Biloxi. After I’m on the phone for about five minutes with them, they tell me I have to talk with the people at Pensacola, that Biloxi can’t help me. So he transfers me and I get hung up on. The phone system is genuinely fucked up. The providers are great. The support/admin staff suck.
It is, to me, sickening that this clown named Andrew Gillum could become Florida’s next governor. He’s slicker than slick, the envy of any politician who has been asked tough questions. The guy is that good. And people are afraid of talking negatively about him. Why? Because of his skin color. He’s as rad as they come, practiced and schooled to be. He was the mayor of Tallahassee and the FBI is investigating something or other related to his administration. That’s no problem. Wasn’t me. He once wrote admiringly of a Palestinian terrorist named Leila Khaled. Called her a revolutionary badass and posed gor a pic with her. She spent 10 years in an Israeli prison for her part in two terror attacks, one of which killed two students. No problem. He snatched up a $1,000 gift ticket to the show “Hamilton” a couple of years ago when he was mayor. The gift giver was an undercover FBI agent. Oh that? Gillum said that Florida is facing 99 issues and “Hamilton” isn’t one of them. Slick. Floridians would have to be nuts to elect this ‘revolutionary.’ If they do, they will have voters’ remorse and they can blame only themselves.
I live down here, and the “I want free stuff” bunch are all in for him. Between them, the multiple voters, and the dead voters, he has a good chance of winning, and if he does, all of Florida will be the loser.
Right now I think he is about six points ahead. He is worse than pond scum. He is genuinely a piece of shit. For the life of me, I don’t understand how people could vote for him. Oh, yeah, there is the 40% or so who are black and/or whack job liberals. They will vote for any democrat. The Republicans do the same on their side. They are the ‘committed’ voters and none of the facts matter at all. I’m thinking of the maybe 20% who really research this stuff, the majority of whom will probably vote for him, giving him about 53-56% of the vote. Folks, if you knew about this guy, you would shake your head.
Dammit. Getting close to ‘real’ retirement, and Florida was on the short list. Little point in leaving the PDRofMD for a socialist Florida.
You can always move to Texas.
We have the best BBQ, the prettiest girls, and lots of great, friendly folks.
He even has Obama stumping for him. The ex-worst president ever said that Gillum and the Florida Democrats will help “make Cuba great again.”
Da fuq?
Somebody mentioned recently that Google cannot be escaped. It’s so true. Google is everywhere, one way or another, and in everything on line and off. There is only way to escape Google and that is to pull the plug on everything and to drive a vehicle that predates all of the electronic gadgets that vehicles come with today. Even doing that, Google will reach you, somehow. It is the force. It is ubiquitous. And I hate it.
You mean… buy a 2001 Ford Escape? Or a 1960 Chevy Impala? Or a Studebaker?
You’ve heard that story about taking the mark of the beast? Larry Ellison, Eric Schmidt and one other whose name evades me, for the moment.
The Russian and I talk fondly of our early years, when our rent in San Pedro, two blocks from the ocean with an ocean view, was $75 and that included electric. We had a 1966 Rambler Ambassador which we traded for a 69 and then a 71 VW Squareback. We particularly wish we had back the Squarebacks. We were broke but it didn’t matter in 1971. Good times. Love those early cars, my favorite being the 55 Chevy.
Amen. That was our era, as well. We had a Westphalia van and it was delightful.
I have had at least 40 cars, fewer motorcycles, too many boats and a couple of airplanes and have never lost the sense of adventure that goes with trying something new.
When stationed at Ft. Carson, living on Wasatch Avenue, the rent was $110 and included everything but we had to go the landlord’s apartment to use the phone.
I still want to fly a Cessna 310 and imagine being Sky King!
Exactly the same with us. Our landlady had a phone and let us use it and took the occasional call for us. We never used her phone to call out. The only calls she got for us were from Fort MacArthur where my wife was stationed (SP4), calling her in to work. It was peaceful, easy living. Only white people for blocks, the others being Hispanic or Black. Never had problem 1 in the year we lived there. Decent people then. I wouldn’t walk the streets there today. $75 paid for everything. The Russian walked less than half a mile to work. Often thought of going back to the places we were stationed in the past, but no way I’m driving in California. Millington, yes, I could do that. Bethesda? No way.
Steve Jobs was the name I could not remember.
Google has gotten to the point of being a threat to society. Part of this has to do with its dominance of the advertising business and how that translates to a negative effect on fairness and objectivity in the news media. Doc Searls at Harvard did a piece related to this last month which is worth reading:
http://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2018/10/24/turning/
Anybody who uses Google News or the search engine has also likely noticed a strongly progressive political bias. If you want to help your SEO, spout vitriol with, for example, a negative opinion piece on President Trump. It’s bound to piss off somebody whether that somebody is a Trump supporter or otherwise. And such a visceral reaction generates traffic because the piece in play gets passed along. Which increases Page Rank.
Google CEO Sundar Pinchai seems blind to such faults, and considers both Google News and its search engine to be objective because both are based on computer algorithms. Unfortunately for the rest of us, the process amounts to a black box, and nobody is asking about what kind of bias might have been introduced when the algorithms were first built.
This was discussed awhile on TAH reference Google…and it’s true:
Great Moments in Google: “American Inventors”
http://www.unz.com/isteve/great-moments-in-google-american-inventors/
If you use Google Search engine, type in “American Inventors”..and watch what pops up via pictures.
Interesting article.
John Giduck – the turd with a face!
Cori LeCinda Pierce – the turd who defrauds with a dog!
“They will eventually get it out of their systems”
She doesn’t know us very well.
Hanoi Jane needs to go back to Viet of the Nam AND STAY THERE!
(Hypocrite, Narcisstic Female Dog…Take a good look at yourself in the mirror, Fonda)
“Jane Fonda Compares Trump to the Third Reich, Hitler”
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/jane-fonda-compares-trump-to-the-third-reich-hitler-report
She had nice tits before Roger Vadim came into her life. If the apple does not fall too far from the tree… what does that say about Henry?
The woman is, simply, stupid.
Like a lot of teen aged boys had fantasies of Barbarella. Was serving in the US Army when she was serving in the NVA. My Divorce # 2 had it’s roots in wife insisting she had to have and use that whore bitch’s work out tape. She wanted to lose weight; She lost my 150 lbs when I jumped over the dog fence.
Now that’s some funny stuff.
Prosecutors: Sailors ran an LSD ring off the Ronald Reagan, two charged By: Geoff Ziezulewicz 10 hours ago Two sailors stationed in the nuclear section of the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan have been charged with using, possessing and distributing LSD, according to officials and charge sheets. (U.S. Navy photo) Two sailors from the nuclear section of the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan are facing court-martial for allegedly using and distributing LSD, a powerful hallucinogenic drug, according to Navy officials and their criminal charge sheets. In addition to the two petty officers already heading to court-martial, the Navy is weighing charges on at least three other Reagan sailors for allegedly using and possessing illegal drugs, officials told Navy Times. News first broke in February that the Navy was probing an alleged drug ring aboard the Japan-based carrier. Machinist’s Mate Nuclear 2nd Class Andrew W. Miller faces charges for using, possessing and distributing the hallucinogenic drug from January to February of this year, according to charge sheets. Electrician’s Mate Nuclear 2nd Class Sean M. Gevero also is charged with distributing LSD and possessing nandrolone decanoate, an anabolic steroid, the legal filings state. Military attorneys for the accused sailors did not return telephone calls seeking comment. The sailors are suspected of buying, selling and using LSD, ecstasy and other drugs. By: Geoff Ziezulewicz Seventh Fleet spokesman Lt. Joseph Keiley said special courts-martial for the two sailors are pending but did not provide a trial date. The Navy was tight-lipped about the alleged incidents when the Wall Street Journal first broke the story earlier this year, and Keiley this week refused to even name the accused sailors’ defense attorneys. Three other sailors have not been formally charged yet but potentially face similar charges. Of those three, an E-2 and an E-5 face conspiracy to distribute and wrongful use and possession charges, respectively, Keiley said. Those two are awaiting an Article 32 hearing, where an officer will hear the evidence and make a recommendation to the command as to whether the cases should go to trial. Another E-5 facing possible conspiracy to distribute and possession… Read more »
Oh, they are so fucking fucked.
They dodged a big bullet here: “Kanagawa prefectural police conducted an investigation into a Sailor’s alleged involvement in drug distribution, and the case was dropped by the local prosecutors’ office May 30,” he said.”
The Bladensburg Cross in MD, memorial to WW I Fallen, has been the focus of a few Jonn posts over the years. The last one, in 2017, related that the 4th Circuit Ct of Appeals decided in favor of the butt-hurt babies that sued to have it removed. No one has touched the cross, which is a mighty good thing because the Supreme Court has now opted to take a look-see at the matter to determine whether the Peace Cross, as it is called, is some sort of gov’t establishment of religion. I know what screwed this up for the American Humanists. Mikey joined the suit and Mikey is the kiss of death. Looked like he finally won one when the 4th Circuit ruled but now his solitary court victory may be lost. Poor Mikey.
Likely doesn’t much care. Guarantee he padded his pockets and I’m thinking that may be all he cares about. Oh, that and swallowing cock behind the Circle K.
Did anyone else hear ‘Tan Son Nhut’ in Barry Sandler’s voice or just me?
The Blaze Link Former Navy SEAL blasts CNN’s Don Lemon for saying ‘white men’ are ‘biggest terror threat’ Nov 1, 2018 12:15 pm Former Navy SEAL blasts CNN’s Don Lemon for saying ‘white men’ are ‘biggest terror threat’ In the wake of CNN anchor Don Lemon stating that “the biggest terror threat in this country is white men,” former U.S. Navy SEAL Ephraim Mattos is pushing back with a declaration of his own. In the wake of CNN anchor Don Lemon stating that “the biggest terror threat in this country is white men,” a former U.S. Navy SEAL is pushing back with a declaration of his own. To say that Ephraim Mattos is displeased that Lemon “labeled” him “a radicalized right-wing terrorist simply because of my gender and the color of my skin” is an understatement. Who is Mattos? After he retired from the military in April 2017, instead of returning home to Milwaukee, Mattos flew to Mosul, Iraq, with the Free Burma Rangers, a group that aids civilians in war zones, WITI-TV reported. “You see ISIS — they’re shooting civilians, little girls, in the back of the head as they’re running toward us,” Mattos told WITI of the day he was shot. “They’d shoot civilians because they knew we’d run out to get them. What did Mattos say to Lemon? In his statement decrying Lemon’s words, Mattos pointed out that he fought terrorists overseas “for the cause of freedom … shoulder-to-shoulder with my brother Arabs, Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Animists, and Atheists.” He also made a point to note numerous instances when white men have defended freedom and stood up for justice for all Americans but emphasized that he identifies as “simply ‘American,’ not as ‘white’ or ‘male’ or ‘Republican.’” “Although blatantly racist and hateful, do not let Don Lemon’s ignorant words drive you into viewing yourself only by your race and religion,” Mattos concluded. “Identity politics does not lead to freedom. It only leads to hatred and division and an ‘us vs. them’ mentality.” He added that “if CNN does not fire Don Lemon immediately,… Read more »
Does this mean our white privilege has won us another award?
If he’s their employee, under contract or not, they’re liable for what he says on a broadcast. So far, they haven’t been sued for defamation.
But it’s luring out there in the dark… I can sense it… lurking…. (weird spooky laughter follows)
Making me cringe.
Added link to the article’s originator, The Blaze, for copyright considerations.
OK, Thanks. I get it now. Appreciate it.
No harm no foul, Chief. Don’t stop posting articles of interest, but be careful to acknowledge the authors. Give credit where credit is due.
This story is for Ex-PH2 and any other female Navy TAH reader/commentator:
“Higher-Ranking Female Sailors Say Farewell To Bucket Caps”
https://www.stripes.com/news/higher-ranking-female-sailors-say-farewell-to-bucket-caps-1.554813
Well, that just sucks eggs.
They did away with serge wool for dress blues (dark blues) and replaced that, which was warm and easy to take care of, with synthetic crap. They dumped the light blues, a two-piece summer uniform that looked good on even the chubby girls.
Skirts on a ship are impractical. No argument about that. But the Starfleet uniforms are better looking and give a better impression than seeing women in crackerjacks.
On the other hand, the Navy did away with the aviation greens and the light gray 2-piecers after WWII, and the so-called flight suit (woolen slacks with the dark blues jacket and white shirt with tie) apparently didn’t last as long as it was supposed to.
Mabus should have been keelhauled and hung up to dry. As much as he hated the Navy and made that clear, this “uniformity” is falsely put together.
I really can’t picture women on shore leave wearing piss caps and hoofing it down the gangplank for a night on liberty.
I guess I’m just too old fashioned for this silliness.
From the article “to make uniforms more gender neutral and promote more equality.” Dahell! Don’t the honorable Secretary realize that girl troop’s jib is cut a little different from the boy’s jib. And most of us boys enjoy the cut of the girl’s jib. Quit screwing around with traditional headgear and give them a practical uniform that fits “the cut of the jib.”
Isn’t there a law about copying entire articles without permission from the publisher to do so?
(Asking for a friend.)
Well, acknowledging the source and providing a link to the original is one way around IP violation.
Another is to ask permission of the publisher, e.g., if pdoggbiker over at Cherries Writer has an article I want to post here, I always ask him first and he gets an automatic pingback from TAH.
If you’re referring to HMC Ret’s comment about the CNN anchor’s prejudice, I added the originator’s link. These slip by on occasion, so thanks for the head’s up.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I’ll make sure I give credit in future. Blessings …
First in the hearts of my grandkids, so you TAHellions can take a hike.
Was substitute teaching today, therefore late to the WOT.
The weather in the GB Compound has turned cool and pleasant, deer season starts this weekend, I’ve already managed one gray squirrel during a scouting stalk, and located the whereabouts of some feral hogs that may provide some bacon to the larder.
Y’all enjoy the weekend!
I harvest tree rats all year around. Betsy does not see the similarity between her bird feeders and my deer “invitations”. The Benjamin .22 air rifle is very accurate and does not make enough noise to alert the neighbors. Break barrel, single shot.
Grain fed rats and squirrels are a staple of New England contradiction. They want to feed the birds, and they do. It is the collateral feeding that feeds rich target opportunities for pellet snipers
Two pound squirrels and even the dog won’t eat them. Heaven forbid that I might dress and serve them as very lean meat.
I’ve always wanted a super accurate air rifle. Bought what I thought was a good one several years ago but it couldn’t hit shit and noisy as all getup. The Russian tells me I’m too old for that stuff now and then I ask her about the 13 pistols I have that she enjoys shooting.
My cousin had a good touch at cooking tree rats. I think I messed this one up – even the dog wouldn’t eat it.
I know it can be done – I’ve done it in the past myself – but I need to harvest a few more and see if I cannot get them cooked correctly this time.
Back at Casa de Sparky after a long but fairly uneventful couple of months.
Unloading my gear, I pondered a blue naugahyde chair and thought, those poor little naugas. How many of their pelts go into one chair? And the blue ones–why, the way they look up at you with those innocent little eyes, just before someone clobbers them in between said eyes with a baseball bat. I heard they roamed the Great Plains in herds that would stretch to the horizon, but now they’re nearly extinct.
I’m going back to leather chairs.
https://www.naugahyde.com/dolls/
Try the Corinthian leather.
Chrysler used it in the Cordoba.
Everything except YOU, Don Ricardo!!!
Couldn’t have happened to a more liberal slug.
Actor Alec Baldwin was arrested Friday for assault, according to New York police.
NYPD Lieutenant John Grimpel told CNN the incident occurred on 10th Street in Manhattan but did not elaborate on the circumstances. NBC News reports it happened after a dispute over a parking spot in Manhattan.
Baldwin is being held at the 6th precinct, Grimpel said.
In addition to portraying president Donald Trump on “Saturday Night Live,” Baldwin currently hosts a Sunday talk show on ABC, called “The Alec Baldwin Show.”
A representative for Baldwin has not yet responded to CNN’s request for comment.
Hope it results in him becoming a felon.
Alec need to be a long term diner at the BTJT Deli (Home of the WORLD FAMOUS Cockmeat Sammich). Mr. “Tiny” would love to “tap that AZZZZ”.
“The Alec Baldwin Show.” Viewership, including his family members, must be about 17. I remember when he had a radio show, billed as the counter to conservative talk shows. He was mumbling and clearly had no ideas and decided he would save himself with taking calls. There were none to take. Laughed my ass off.
The only Baldwin brother of any use is Stephen Baldwin, who has been blacklisted by Hollywood because he is a born again Christian conservative. There’s a price to be paid for being a hollyweird non-conformist…
Alec, who has called gay people “faggot” and “cocksucker”, a black retired cop a “coon”, and his own daughter a “pig.” So confirmed racist, homophobe, bad parent, self-entitled jackass Alec Baldwin can go F himself.
But as long as he parrots the anti-Republican, anti-American philosophy of his masters, he’s the toast of the town.
Speaking of Florida and the upcoming elections there:
“Gillum Intern Arrested In Florida For Throwing Chocoale Milk At College Republicans”
https://www.foxnews.com/us/gillum-intern-arrested-in-florida-for-throwing-chocolate-milk-at-college-republicans
What ARE those two furry things above her eyes?
What a disgusting witch. Just looking at her is difficult without hearing her words or political views.
Yeah, arrest folks who behave this way. Sure, many of them view arrest as a status symbol, but they are at least restrained and out of the way of normal, sane folks for a while. Pity the cops who must process something like this, though.
“arrested and charged with batter…”
It’s about cotton-pickin’ time this happened.
You have the right to disagree with me and my choices. You don’t have the right to physically attack me.
She can’t plead “temporary nutso”, either, because there is no ‘temporary nutso’ stuff.
A good hard swat on the tush might shut her up… but that’s just my view. And I don’t favor spanking kids, but for Pete’s sake, how many of these tantrum-addicted creatures do we have to put up with before they are physically stopped?
This dimwit’s association with Gillum’s campaign is going to be an embarrassment to him. And there go his votes right over to the GOPer candidate…
Oh – maybe we should just get out of their way? Let them rant and howl and throw things?
Whoa, if that’s what the left is peddling in the looks department, it’s no wonder this generation is turning more conservative. Tomi Lahren, Dana Loesch, Lauren Southern, et. al. will convert the masses just by showing up.
Nice that she has a communist button with the hammer and sickle on her jacket. She’s literally wearing her hatred for America on her sleeve. How have we come to this that one of our two major political parties in openly against capitalism and republican government?
Warning…have your eye bleach ready when opening the link. Thank goodness there were no nude photos of Nancy and Auntie Maxine:
“Women Pose Naked In Grab Them By The Ballot Photo Shoot To Encourage Votes For Democrats:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/women-pose-naked-in-grab-them-by-the-ballot-photo-shoot-to-encourage-votes-for-democrats
I’m guessing that our resident “ladies man” IDC SARC has already “grabbed them by the ballot”. Just hoping that he didn’t catch anything while doing it…
Okay. Thanks for the warning, and for posting that. I found this to be telling:
“The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is reportedly looking into establishing the legal definition of sex under Title IX as a biological, immutable condition determined by genitalia at birth. If the change goes ahead, around 1.5 million Americans who identify as transgender could lose some legal protections.” — Article.
This makes it more important than ever to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment. Someone who self-identifies as ‘other than the sex s/he was born into’ will still be protected by the ratification of the ERA.
Thank you!
I don’t want to repeat myself, but how on Earth is this supposed to win supporters? I know I don’t look good naked, so literally the last thing I’m going to do is stake my political party’s future on me in the buff.
These people are either morons, delusional, or both.
I agree with this person’s opinion that Daylight Savings Time need to be abolished (please don’t forget to set your clocks back out hour tonight or early Sunday morning):
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/daylight-saving-time-needs-to-be-abolished-lets-stop-the-insanity
Agree. It’s silly to throw everyone off kilter twice a year, for no apparent reason.
I really don’t care what system they use. Just pick one and leave it alone. The mass confusion changing what time we call it right now twice each year is crazy. We put up with it why?
We don’t put up with it in AZ, “The meth lab of democracy “. We have plenty of daylight, no need to save it.
The original reason for DST started in Germany in 1916 to save fuel for producing electricity. It came into use in the US in March 1918. During WRII, it was supposed to give US farmers an extra hour of daylight, but with modern farm equipment, it’s a moot point. I’ve seen them out in the fields on moonless nights, with tractors flooding the rows ahead of them with light.
I think it’s an anachronism,and we should pick standard time or DST, one or the other.
It’s just a nuisance now, especially since Punkin goes by when the neighbors start slamming car doors to go to work, which wakes her up and me, too.
Agree. Living in the frozen north, I prefer daylight to standard time. This in the most depressing time of year, when the already short day, sun setting about dinner time, goes to sunset before dinner. I don’t care if I’ve got sun at 0700, I’d rather have an hour or two AFTER work instead of driving home in the dark.
Best news of the day so far:
For those of you with an extra Jackson hanging around, Medals of America is having a clearance blowout sale (save 61%) on Woobie DD214 Poncho Liner Blankets.
Sale price – Only $19.97. Get yourself one now before all the posers snap them up for formal dining wear purposes at the Golden Corral for Veterans Day./smile
It’s Army’s Black Knights vs Air Force Birdies and it’s halftime: Army 14…AF 0. Later today it’s Cincinnati (7-1) vs. Navy (You don’t want to know.)
Arrgggh. 14-6 AF with the ball in Army territory.Nooooooooooooooooooooooo…………….