Clinton’s “medical episode”

| September 11, 2016

A number of media outlets have claimed that Hillary Clinton left the ceremony at 9/11 Memorial Plaza this morning because of a “medical episode”. From Fox News;

[Fox reporter, Rick] Leventhal said his source watched Clinton as she was standing on a street curb with her security detail while waiting for her motorcade.

As the motorcade was not expecting her as early as she had left, Leventhal said, the Democratic presidential nominee stood for two or more minutes awaiting the vehicles.

When the motorcade approached, Clinton “stumbled off the curb and appeared to faint” as she got into her van.

Clinton appeared to need assistance getting into the vehicle, Leventhal said, losing her shoe.

An aide grabbed the shoe as her van pulled away and gave it to the next vehicle in her motorcade.

Her staff said that she was “overheated” – at 10 AM, the temperature was about 78 degrees in New York City.

On Election Day, she’ll be 69 years old (October 26, 1947). Remember that Democrats told us that Dick Cheney was too old to be Vice President – he was 59 years old on Election Day, 2000 (January 30, 1941) – he left office a few days before he turned 68 years old..

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Dave Hardin

The opportunity to piss on her grave suddenly seems plausible.

LRRP2

I ain’t standing in line for anything !!!!!

2/17 Air Cav

That was funny LRRP2. I’m with you, but I just might make an exception in her case and stand in line. I can’t name her veep. Seriously. I would have to google it. Jill Stein for President! She paints bulldozer blades so I know she can get the job done!

Perry Gaskill

The EPA would likely ban the line as a potential environmental hazard equivalent to the Johnstown Flood.

Dave Hardin

Took the whole family to the Johnstown Flood Museum years back. That film they show was outstanding.

Nothing like a weekend of carnage with the kids.

Bill M

So long as there’s a ark nearby that we can get to. But would we have to line up two by two following the piss deluge?

The Other Whitey

I don’t think we’re that lucky.

Dave Hardin

Love this shot of her, “triping”

Dave Hardin

I haven’t felt this kind of excitement since:

Dave Hardin

Since, since, since…

2/17 Air Cav

I just saw this. Frightening. I referenced Frazier much later than the video posting of him. Sick minds…

Dave Hardin

EX-PH2 Its her fault, I was completely normal until I started listening to her

Joe Mama

There’s some serious “Weekend at Bernie’s” shit going on.

2/17 Air Cav

Holy Hannah. Another angle. Morec pleasure.

BigJohn

Video is backwards from the original.

Mark RM1 USN ret.

I would piss on her grave then drop a deuce for follow up. Screw the bitch. She’s not fit to be President.

2/17 Air Cav

There will be no deuces dropped. Think of the rets of us. It’s Teti Juice only–except for the last one in line. If that’s you, go for it.

Andy11M

someone needs to flip Hillary over and check her expiration date, ’cause I’m pretty sure she’s past it. Last thing I want is to have to watch a state funeral for her if she dies in office.

STSC(SW/SS)

Video to be seen.

https://twitter.com/DLoesch

Andy11M

on the youtubes

Sapper3307

Theirs her handler (man in black) loading her up. +500

Skippy

-150 points for picking up the shoe

Carolyn Bowman

That’s Dr. Oladotun Okunola, the neurologist who been toting her emergency diazepan injector. He specializes in seizure and epilepsy. He’s with The Neuroscience Center of Northern New Jersey.

D

That doesn’t appear to be true at all. See here: http://www.snopes.com/clintons-secret-service-agent-holds-diazepam-pen/

Hondo

Not sure that’s correct, D. Snopes says that the allegation Clintoon is tailed everywhere she goes by someone carrying a diazepam injector is “Unproven”, not “False”.

Based on the photos Snopes provides, it’s likely not Dr. Okunola who’s following her around with one. But if anyone is constantly following around a candidate for POTUS carrying a diazepam injector out of medical necessity, that’s something that’s indeed fair game for discussion. Ditto the reason why.

Poetrooper

C’mon, D! Snopes is so far left even the Russians wouldn’t trust them.

D

I know this keeps making the rounds, but Snopes has been accused of being both a liberal and conservative website. Here’s a good article about them: http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/04/27/snopes-liberal-bias-and-trusting-the-internet/

D

Well, these are messages they get: http://www.snopes.com/info/notes/politics.asp

Hondo

Diazepam? Hmm. From “www.drugs.com”:

Diazepam is used to treat anxiety disorders, alcohol withdrawal symptoms, or muscle spasms. Diazepam is sometimes used with other medications to treat seizures.

Diazepam may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.

Yeah, if she’s being tailed by someone carrying a diazepam injector while running for POTUS I’d say her health is definitely “fair game” for public discussion.

Ex-PH2

Diazepam is the chemical name for valium. It’s in the family of benzodiazepines, along with Xanax.

Valium (diazepam) is a medication belonging to the drug class benzodiazepine. Valium is available as a generic drug. Valium is prescribed for the treatment of anxiety, seizures, muscle spasms, and symptoms of alcohol withdrawal.

Common side effects of Valium include drowsiness, dizziness, spinning sensation, fatigue, constipation, ataxia (loss of balance), memory problems, restlessness or irritability, muscle weakness, nausea, drooling or dry mouth, slurred speech, blurred or double vision, skin rash, itching, or loss of interest in sex.

Well, she did lose her balance, didn’t she? Yeah, we all saw that. Anyone have any pictures of her drooling? No? Okay.

If she’s taking regular doses of this stuff, Hondo’s right: we have a right to know what we’re getting when we plunk down our gelt.

2/17 Air Cav

Holy Shit! That chick was O-U-T. Made my day! Am I THAT cruel? Yes, yes I am.

26Limabeans

Looks like she was propped up by that concrete post until the van showed up.
Then she started knee walking.
And yes I am enjoying it.

Ex-PH2

I’ve looked at that several times. Never fainted myself, but I’ve seen people drop.

She was out on her feet. She was PUT into that vehicle, did NOT climb into it.

I would tell someone who looks/acts like that ‘get out of whatever it is you’re doing. Not worth it.’

Not one damned ounce of plain old common sense in this, none at all.

Ex-PH2

It’s menstrual cramps.

They can be so cruel when you’re stressed.

Joan Ellis (yeah that one...)

Ex-PH2, I believe she is one of those “Angry Post-Menopausal Women” that so many Reader’s Digest articles warn us about.

Ex-PH2

Possibly, and there’s also that period before it slams into you – the peri-menopausal time.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Skippy

Saw this on our split screen tv CNN and FOX, cnn was having a hard time explaining what was up so as always they went off the air for a few seconds. Never bite the hand that feeds you I guess

nbcguy54ACTUAL

I reckon Lars is a bundle of nerves right now….

2/17 Air Cav

He’s a Steiner. He’s good. He’s probably thinking that Jilly has a chance.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Well he was “Balls deep for Bernie”…

2/17 Air Cav

You’re right. He worked for the Old Commie Bastard. He doesn’t like Wide Load and wrote that he was casting his vote for Steiner the Painter once Bernie was snuffed.

HMC Ret

Probably he is. Lars may need a dose of Benzodiazepine for his nerves.

Ex-PH2

Good. God.

She appears to be on the verge of complete collapse. That is what it looks like to me.

She just about dropped to the pavement before someone caught her.

Exc-u-u-u-use me, but the office of U.S. President is 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, constant stress and being hammered at, and she’s having a tough time making it through a mere memorial service when the day was quite pleasant?

I’m 70. I think that most of the people my age, including my sister (74) and people who post here are in better shape and tougher than shrillary. Something is seriously wrong with her. That does not look like campaign stress to me.

Green Thumb

And here I was thinking you were 27.

John Robert Mallernee

I just now saw a news report that she was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday.

MSG Eric

On your worst day you’re five times the woman Hillary is on her best day.

Andy11M

So, Hillary takes a dirt nap, who goes on the ticket for the Dems? Anyone know the Constitutional/Federal/State laws regarding this? Has any person running for President died after going on the ticket? Have deadlines in states for their ballots passed? What if she gets elected after she’s dead because her name is still on the ballot? Does her VP become President by default and he has to pick a VP and have them approved by Congress?

2/17 Air Cav

No, it has never happened. There is no constitutional issue at all. There will be a quick DNC meeting and they will select a new nominee.

Andy11M

I wonder if the Bernie supporters are dancing around yet? I’m guessing they would put him on the ballot.

2/17 Air Cav

Yep.

Hondo

True, but there may be a huge practical issue here.

Many states ban ballot changes after a certain date. I don’t believe that date is uniform among the states.

If she (or Trump, or any other candidate) were to croak or withdraw after a particular state’s deadline, by law they could not be replaced on that state’s ballot for POTUS. That means the replacement candidate would have to run as a write-in candidate.

I REALLY don’t want to see that kind of a goat-rope in a US election for POTUS. And I’m pretty sure we’re getting close to that deadline in many states, and may have passed it in some already.

Valerie

I looked up the deadlines for ballot access by presidential candidates, and the way I read it, all of the deadlines have passed.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_for_presidential_candidates

I think I read that the California ballots are being printed, now.

2banana

Democrats nominated her. They knew what they were getting.

If democrats try to delay the election or circumvent the election process…

There is going to be a trouble. Lots of trouble that democrats never saw coming.

Hack Stone

If dead people can vote, why can’t dead people be elected to office?

2/17 Air Cav

They have been. The highest office in which this happened, I believe, was the House of Reps when Patsy Mink was re-elected while dead. Many local and state pols have been elected and re-elected while dead. I had no idea how frequently this has occurred until I read your question and Googled.

Hondo

Don’t forget the Dead Senator from Missouri. He appeared on the ballot after his demise (MO law precluded ballot changes after a particular date, and the guy died 2 weeks prior to the election).

He was the serving Governor of Missouri when he died – and a Democrat. His Lieutenant Governor and successor (from same party, of course) announced that if the dead guy won, he’d appoint the dead guy’s wife Senator to fill his place.

The dead guy won, and his wife was appointed to serve as Senator. His opponent had suspended campaigning after his opponent had died in a plane crash, and paid the price for his decency. The sympathy factor allowed the dead guy (whose wife would serve in his place if he “won” the election) to be elected in a close race.

She served in the US Senate for 2 years. She then lost in a special election.

The guy who appointed her Senator later did time pleaded guilty to, and received a sentence of 2 years probation for, money laundering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Missouri,_2000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_B._Wilson

2/17 Air Cav

Well, that explains that! I was on hold for nearly two months to his office. You would would have someone would have told me was dead but noooooooooooo.

GDContractor

How many times did Jesse Jackson jr. win while he was in prison?

TopGoz

Now that’s some funny sh*t right there.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

That is so impractical. How on earth can a dead person effectively do a job?

I don’t get it!

MSG Eric

Well, which would be better? A Congress full of dead people? Or what we have now?

Ex-PH2

IF she should drop dead before the election, Kaine is the veep nominee. He takes up where she left off. (God help us if that happens. More imcompetent than a walking banana peel.)

In regard to VP if she drops post-election, there is no provision for that. Gerald Ford was Nixon’s replacement for Spirow Agnew. When Tricky Dick left office, Ford had no VP in place. It would be necessary in a full 4-year term to select a new veep candidate.

And don’t say sKerry, because his job ends when bodaprez leaves office.

STSC(SW/SS)

My guess is no matter if Hillary drops before or after the election her followers will vote for her. If she wins but dies before taking the oath, Democrats will insist Kaine is the VP-elect and will take the oath of office for VP and then will take the oath of office for President which is vacant.

Will the courts side with the Dems is to be seen.

Ex-PH2

Well, Kaine would be the VP-elect, if shrillary wins. It IS that simple, so yes, he’d go right up the ladder immediately. The real question is who becomes his replacement as VP? As I said, when Ford succeeded Nixon, he did not have a VP.

Hondo

Not sure about that, Ex-PH2.

The 20th Amendment seems to govern this situation. If the POTUS-elect dies after being elected, you’re clearly correct; in that case, the “President-elect” has died after being selected, and the VP-elect takes office. However, it’s not clear what happens in the event that a candidate dies before they are elected.

Should that happen, I will guarantee this ends up dumped in the lap of the SCOTUS to decide. And there appears to be a damn good chance of a 4-4 deadlock there.

Let’s hope that doesn’t happen, because God only knows what might happen. I would not rule out the prospect of widespread civil unrest – or worse – in that eventuality, regardless of who eventually became POTUS.

Ex-PH2

Eight (8) weeks, Hondo.

Anything can happen. The real question is what happens if she becomes incapacitated before the election date? They can still run Kaine, but wouldn’t the VP office require a special election?

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

Hondo is correct again.

It ain’t that simple.

A selected VP candidate can not just be fleeted up to a voted/nominated slot.

When in doubt ask Hondo, he knows all.

UpNorth

Will the courts side with the dems? I would imagine this would be fast-tracked to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. The Chief judge of that court is Merrick Garland, nominated for SCOTUS by Buh-rock. There are 11 active judges, 4 put there by Buh-rock, 3 put there by Clintoon, and 3 put there by W and 1 put there by
GHW Bush. I think it’s safe to assume that the DNC would get pretty much any ruling from them that they wanted.
That decision would probably be appealed to a SCOTUS which would probably vote 4-4 to either not hear the decision, or would vote the same, letting the lower court ruling stand.

Hondo

Don’t think the DC Circuit ends up involved.

The SCOTUS has original and exclusive jurisdiction over all disputes between states (Article III, Section 2 of the US Constitution and 28 USC 1251). The POTUS is formally elected by the Electoral College. However, the Electoral College is composed of electors who are in turn are selected by the individual states.

Should one of the candidates die or choose to step down after deadlines, some states would support either side of the dispute. My “take” is that this would trigger sending the matter to the SCOTUS for decision as a dispute between states.

Tali

Tinfoil hat time. She drops out after the election Kaine as VP elect takes over and appoints Obama as VP. And after some shenanigans we have a 3rd term for a certain someone.

D

While questions surround the constitutionality, this will most likely never happen. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/06/could-joe-biden-pick-barack-obama-as-his-running-mate-yes-but/

Tali

Hence the tinfoil. Not eligible to be elected sure. Appointed after the fact?m With the Supreme Court split 4 to 4 and the sheeple shouting racist, sexist etc etc who knows.

*A disclaimer I own stock in Reynolds wrap. 🙂

2/17 Air Cav

2/17 Air Cav

Me too, but my diagnosis was “Drunk.”

Andy11M

Maybe she thinks she can hide it like FDR did? I doubt the press would be so accommodating today.

Mason

They’re pretty accommodating of all her other personal, professional, and ethical failures.

Bill M

Don’t bet the farm on that. They’re so in the tank for her, it’s not even funny (or even hidden).

HMCS(FMF) ret

No matter how her camp spins this, it won’t look good. If she’s overheated, why leave her jacket on? Got her leaning up against the pillar as the van pulls up, she’s having to be moved up to the van by a SS agent. Photo’s taken of her earlier show a woman that looks older than her stated age – my opinion, she’s got some chronic health issues that have been kept from the public for some time, and one of them isn’t hypothyroidism.

Bet you the call’s gone out to Slow Joe Biden and Fauxahontas to get on deck…

Hondo

As Jonn noted, temp in NYC at the time was 78F and it appears to have been mostly cloudy.

I’m not buying that “she was overheated” line of bull. IMO something else caused this fainting episode.

Dave Hardin

I suspect constantly choking on your own bullshit has long term medical consequences.

She ignored the warning signs.

2/17 Air Cav

If one is faint from overheating, one sheds the coat and sips a cool drink in the shade. She has other issues.

STSC(SW/SS)

Yep. Two hours she back in the public giving hugs. Whatever her handler gave juiced her right back up.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Hitler’s doc use to shoot him up before speeches with meth…

Hondo

Ah, Dr. Theodor Morell – the original “Dr. Feelgood”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Morell

Azygos

As rumor has it JFK’s doctor used to shoot him up with Cocaine and Vitamin B12 before important events.

Hondo

Not sure about cocaine and B12, but JFK’s version of “Dr. Feelgood” giving him steroids and amphetamines whenever he had serious back issues has been fairly well documented:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Jacobson

MSG Eric

Max Jacobson was a real doctor? I thought that was the SS code name for Marilyn Monroe.

She got him to forget his back pain, but caused further back pain at the same time….

Sparks

That’s what I was thinking. She’s taking ’em wake up, stay up and go to sleep. This is no way to run a railroad boys. Much less a campaign and never…our country. Or we could get lucky and some dip stick doctor pull a Michael Jackson on her.

Hondo

Well, she was a child of the 60s.

“One pill makes you larger, . . . ”

(smile)

2/17 Air Cav

Yep. The lines are lit up like a Christmas tree right now, while her camp tries to downplay the event and spin it like a 78rpm record.

MSG Eric

what’s a 78rpm record?

26Limabeans

Slow Joe and String Bow. Maybe Lurch can jump in and play Ketchup. What’s Algore up to lately? Love to see him take another at bat and get beaned.

Tallywhagger

“Slow Joe and String Bow…”

Did you make that up? It’s a good one.

Warren is nothing more than a place holder until the last of the Kennedys becomes old enough for the Senate and then placement in the Executive Office.

Stupid as he is, O’Biden would be less “deplorable” than Hillary. Her toe tag will likely be the first legitimate documentation of her life. America cannot be redeemed, quickly enough.

2banana

And more good news.

Donald Trump is going to at every major public event until the election forcing Hillary to show up.

She either is a no show or a walking zombie

2/17 Air Cav

Wanna bet Trump goes jogging first thing tomorrow and invites the media?

Hondo

(chuckling) He just might. Or go for a long, brisk walk and invite the press to come along.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Hell, all “The Donald” has to do is some photo op rasslin’ with a bear/bison/javelina (ala Putin), and pump that video of Clinton needing help into the van and that get him a few million votes…

Mason

“On Election Day, she’ll be 69 years old (October 26, 1947). Remember that Democrats told us that Dick Cheney was too old to be Vice President – he was 59 years old on Election Day, 2000.”

Hey, that’s sexist. Or agist. Or racist. I don’t event know what it is, but it’s outrageous and deplorable.

Now let’s hear more from the about how Trump isn’t presidential and how Shrillary is the best qualified candidate for president since the creation of the office. Eisenhower, Grant, T Roosevelt, and Washington don’t have the history of public service and sacrifice that she does. Long live the once and future queen.

E-6 type, 1 ea

Not to mention the huge hammering McCain took about his age, which was 71-72 at the time.

2/17 Air Cav

Is there a sarc notation missing, Mason?

2/17 Air Cav

Gotta put the beef on the hillbilly grilly. Let me know when she checks into Bellevue.

Sparks

Two words…LOSE WEIGHT! Maybe if she cut back to a couple of pork roasts a day she could lop off 100 or 110 pounds.

RGR 4-78

If she had actually enlisted in the USMC, she would have been taught how to stand in formation without locking her knees.

Drag an old out of shape broad through NYC, it is no telling what you might find.

Does she really matter?

Well at least her secret service did not leave her unsecured. 😉

MSG Eric

Not so much to do with her being out of shape as having severe medical problems that exercise just won’t help with.

RGR 4-78

I agree with you on her medical problems, my above statement was just me being sarcastic.

Roger in Republic

While I won’t be able to attend the funeral, I will send a nice note. (In a pig’s eye)

Animal

Good thing for her it wasn’t my job to catch her when those hocks she calls knees buckled. Even the russian judges would have given her a 10 for the dive she would’ve taken.

Poetrooper

BIG NEWS! The Washington Post, usually an in-house arm of the Democrat party is now saying that Hillary’s health has become a legitimate issue of concern. This is from the same lefty pundit who last week was saying Republicans were conspiracists for pointing out her obvious problems.

What’s absolutely amazing is that he admits he was wrong!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/11/hillary-clintons-health-just-became-a-real-issue-in-the-presidential-campaign/

You gotta read this. Could be a game-changer.

Skippy

????
????

Ex-PH2

Well, some of that coughing has been rather obvious, and there is such a thing as ‘walking’ pneumonia. You aren’t sick enough to be in bed, but you cough a lot.

Put that with campaigning, menopause, standing instead of sitting, heat or no heat – well, gee whiz, folks, it’s hard being perfect.

MSG Eric

Well, “walking” pneumonia usually doesn’t last months or years. Especially when you have a private doc.

I had walking pneumonia myself once and it hit me within hours of being infected. I went from being totally fine to suddenly curled up on my couch freezing with no energy to get up for more than 30 seconds. The bad part was only about 2 days, got over it after about a week and back to normal.

I think her camp will make any excuse to deflect from the real medical issues she’s got.

Trump needs to find one of those 100 degree halls to have a debate in like happened to the republicans and see how long he can make it last.

Forest Green

They need to strap her to a hand truck she’d be easier to handle that way. Those aides will need a hernia check after the campaign.

Andy11M

but would they also put her in a straight jacket and muzzle like Hannibal?

Forest Green

Yes!

Forest Green

I think she was really trying to wrap her cheeks around that concrete column and exhausted herself with the effort.

GDContractor

It must have been the gravitas that got to her.

2/17 Air Cav

Mushroom gravitas. Can be deadly.

GDContractor

You make her sound like a bitter clinger.

Bill M

I don’t even want to think about the tracks she left on that column.

Ex-PH2

OH, I can’t wait until Tuesday for this. He has to bring it tomorrow!!!!

Bill M

She ain’t that smart, she ain’t that good an actor, and the folks at DU make a box of rocks look like geniuses.

MSG Eric

I remember when they were hammering McCain on all his medical issues, mostly due to being a POW. It was never ending.

She’ll get a pass just like Kerry got a pass when he ran for being a Billionaire, but Romney didn’t get one for being a Millionaire.

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Poetrooper

Almost everyone reading here at TAH has had training in how to deal with heat exhaustion and the first principle is to do whatever you can to cool the subject down. In this case, that first principle would have required one of Hillary’s handlers to remove her jacket.

Since that did not happen we can be confident that the subsequent “feeling over-heated” excuse was a lame attempt by her handlers to cover up for something else, which again demonstrates their contempt for us. They truly do believe we are stupid.

timactual

Hillary suffered a concussion after fainting due to “dehydration”. Now she almost faints due to “overheating”. Not long ago there was an incident when she was standing at a podium. Coincidence?

For some time now she has had a non-government physician constantly at her side who specializes in seizures.

Lots of smoke, here.

Forest Green

They should have next doused with water to cool her off. Since no one had canteens they should have pissed on her.

AW1Ed

And then what would have happened?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPO43kCh3_c

*grin*

2/17 Air Cav

Does Radcliffe have a rowing team? “Stroke…stroke…stroke…”

Flagwaver
2/17 Air Cav

I was looking for a rowing team coxswain calling “stroke” but came up empty. Thanks.

Devtun

MSNBC was pathetic. Oh, yeah the weather was terrible – just really hot & humid. Nuttin to see here folks. Trump, Rudy Guiliani, and William Bratton are all older than Hills, and stuck it out just fine. I understand sometimes things happen (dehydration – like when Petraeus passed out once), but this seems like a trend.

Skippy

So does this mean that anybody that shot video will start having weird accidents like being shot 10 times, gas explosions, and suicides ?????
Forget car accidents also

2/17 Air Cav

Maybe. CNN identified the person who shot and posted the video. She’s safe for now, I think. She will not commit suicide or get hit by a truck until after the election.

Skippy

??

Bill M

Then she’ll visit Ft Marcy Park.

D

I’d love to see it, because I don’t remember anyone, liberal or conservative, saying Cheney was too old to be VP. I have seen this debate in the medical community about him being too old to have received a heart transplant. See here: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dick-cheneys-heart-transplant-at-71-spurs-age-debate/

OWB

Must be contagious. Several of us caught it back when.

D

Jonn: I never said you made it up. Things on here are typically cited, and this claim regarding what folks may have said about Cheney is anecdotal so far. It just doesn’t make any sense that 59 would be “too old” to be VP, especially when Reagan, Bush, and later Kerry, McCain, Biden, Romney, and both candidates today were and are older than that. If anyone was saying it about Cheney, he/she must have been marginalized, and rightly so.

Akpual

I remember it being said. I don’t remember which commenter said it. I remember the little liberal chuckle about it from Democrat friends of mine. So stick your anecdotal up your fucking ass.

D

If it’s one thing I can count on, it’s reasonable discourse around here.

Akpual

Yeah it was said and those who said it were not marginalized. If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

11B-Mailclerk

I can recall watching Mr. Reagan delivering a gentle sledgehammer in response to concerns about this age…

October 21, 1984: In the second presidential debate with candidate Walter Mondale, Reagan was grilled over his age by Henry “Hank” Trewhitt of the Baltimore Sun. “You already are the oldest President in history, and some of your staff say you were tired after your most recent encounter with Mr. Mondale. I recall, yes, that President Kennedy, who had to go for days on end with very little sleep during the Cuba missile crisis. Is there any doubt in your mind that you would be able to function in such circumstances?” Reagan replied, “Not at all, Mr. Trewhitt and I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent’s youth and inexperience.” Trewhitt responded, “Mr. President, I’d like to head for the fence and try to catch that one before it goes over.”

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/103/3/My-opponents-youth-and-inexperience-Ronald-Reagans-10-best-quotes.html

MSG Eric

That was hilarious and ended the issue of his age on the spot. If you’re not too old to be sarcastic and make a room of people laugh, you should be fine. lol

Bill M

I think the concerns with Dick Cheney were because of his heart condition – he had had multiple heart incidents before he was picked for VP. That was a valid concern, but not that major since he was VP and there is a mechanism for replacing a VP should the position become vacant (Jerry Ford selecting Nelson Rockefeller for example).

Hondo

That was my recollection as well. I could remember the media raising health issues regarding Cheney, but I couldn’t recall with certainty whether they’d also made Cheney’s age an issue.

Of course, the media didn’t seem to consider a history of severe heart disease an issue for LBJ – who’d had a major heart attack in 1955, 5 years before running for VP. Nor did the media make a huge issue of JFK’s health issues, which were perhaps even more serious (In addition to his back issues, he had Addison’s disease plus hypothyoridism).

And Lord knows the media gave JFK a pass on his philandering.

sgt. vaarkman 27-48th TFW

Maybe she will finally accomplish something positive for the country, like a long dirt nap before the weeks out…..yeah for US !!!!
I don’t like to wish bad things on people but for Hillary and Bill , I make an exception

Ex-PH2

This whole business is stupid.

She should know better. Her health is obviously compromised somehow but she’s going to right on as if nothing has happened, even if she drops dead in her tracks.

It’s the sheer greed that sticks out like a sore thumb. I’ve said I figured she picked Kaine for VP as a sort of insurance policy, to keep a chokehold on the Oval Office. She and that slimeball she’s married to are the greediest people I’ve ever had the misfortune to see. I’ve also said, several times, that she’s only running to get Billie Jeff back in the White House, to run the show out of sight.

If that silly bitch doesn’t stop campaigning and step aside on her own, she’s a bigger fool than I ever thought she was before now. She’s heading herself into either permanent incapacity or a casket – don’t know which, but she’s proving repeatedly now that she is so stupid, she doesn’t even know she’s alive – for real.

Personally, I think she’s doomed herself with this asinine business. Greed has its consequences, and we’re seeing some of that now.

And right now, we need someone in that office who can get the Chinese and Russians on our side, instead of widening the gap.

2/17 Air Cav

“even if she drops dead in her tracks.”

Don’t say things like that. It gets me too hopeful.

MSG Eric

That’s the problem with being power hungry and ambitious to the extreme. No matter what happens or how, she will be come president and gain that seat because she wants it and she should get it because she’s Hillary Clinton.

If Obama hadn’t become a fad in 2008, she’d probably already have been POTUS. Though I’m guessing as SecState, she was considering options for how Obama and 3 others might end up committing suicide by multiple head shots each without it being too coincidental so she could become potus by order of succession.

Ex-PH2

That’s a good point.

But keep in mind that old saying:

“Be careful what you wish for. You might get it.”

Sparks

Were going to need bigger Secret Service Agents. The bench press limit just went up for her detail.

GDContractor

I’d really like to know what was said on that secret service tactical channel because even the agents with their back to her formed up tight. Something must have been said to make them do that. I wonder what.

2/17 Air Cav

“The Bitch is going down again. Over”

“Roger. Is it Abedin again? Over”

“Negative. Not that kind of down! Face plant down. Over”

“Roger. Out”

MSG Eric

that made me ell ohhh ell.

Ex-PH2

They always bunch up like that.

GDContractor

Yes, but my point is I wonder what was said. I wonder if they have a code word for her medical issues.

2/17 Air Cav

GDC. I hope that answered your question. I have sources. They swear that was the exchange.

GDContractor

It did! Can’t wait for Putin to release the audio

GDContractor

Also I wonder if she was shrieking get your goddamn hands off me!

GDContractor

You miscreants are missing the whole point! The shoe! The shoe!
https://youtu.be/Ka9mfZbTFbk

68W58

Worst Cinderella ever.

2/17 Air Cav

I am thoroughly enjoying the video. Looks like Joe Frazier caught her with an uppercut. She was jellified.

DocMcC

might be a twitchy, burnt-out basket case now, but for nearly 2 decades I was a damn good corpsman, nurse and EMT. This isn’t conspirency theory or “ALT-Right” propaganda or any other bullshit. This is a very sick woman with significant neuro issues. I’ve treated hundreds of heat casualties, they are limp, almost deflated. Mrs Clinton is rigid and ataxic. Also note: not ONE of the handlers around her seem in anyway surprised, and note how calmly but quickly Mrs. Clinton becomes screened from the cameras. Compare this to the footage of the SS response to the shooting of Reagan. Compare this to EVERY SINGLE emergency response you’ve ever seen or participated in. They were all way beyond the inital adrenaline dump and were fully prepared for what was happening. Serious shit.

Ex-PH2

I agree. I think she’s heading right into a major stroke and permanent incapacity.

FDR’s polio didn’t affect him until he got to his third term in office and his health began to go downhill. He was sitting for his portrait when he suffered a cerebral hemorrhage and died shortly after that.

What this very stupid woman is doing is not the same thing. It’s clear she doesn’t have the common sense God gave a box of bent screws. Anyone who votes her into office is equally stupid, but if she does have a major health event, which is what I think this is leading up to, it may happen before the fall election takes place.

2/17 Air Cav

Good observations, Doc.

UpNorth

I think they ran her over to Chelsea’s apartment, gave her an IV, then hustled her off to Chappaqua. No way they take her to a hospital, for fear someone would leak her admission records.
If it was a heat issue, why didn’t anyone hand her a bottle of water while they were moving her to the ambulance limousine?

MSG Eric

Probably because she couldn’t even hold one with her nerve problems. lol

Azygos

I heard it was probably just low blood sugar. They rushed her to her daughters home, fed her some live mice and she quickly recovered.

Flagwaver

GDContractor

Hahaha…let her eat cake!

Poetrooper

OK supersleuths, here’s a NEW DEVLOPMENT. Check out this video and watch that small metal object the appears to fall out of her right pants suit leg:

http://100percentfedup.com/

Poetrooper

object “that” appears…

Ex-PH2

Almost sounds like she dropped her keys.

I can’t hazard a guess on this. It clanks and it’s small. Could be anything.

2/17 Air Cav

The metal sound was added and I’m not 100% the “thing” wasn’t too. It seems to disappear and, moreover, no one looks down or otherwise reacts to it. I’m tossing the flag on that. That said, the video is a treasure trove from start to finish. She is zonked and relying on that pillar to keep her somewhat vertical. When it’s time to move, she is in another universe and not all in control of her body.

2/17 Air Cav

Okay. Okay. Stop badegering me Poetrooper! I can’t take any more. I did watch another, separate video and I did see the object drop from her pants leg! Happy now? Gosh, you’re rough!

UpNorth

The clamp that holds her leg bag from her catheter in place?

2/17 Air Cav

I was thinking butt plug ring. Either one explains why no one wanted to pick it up.

Hondo

Ben-wa ball, maybe? (smile)

26Limabeans

Cuff key?

MSG Eric

Huma Abedin’s Tongue Piercing?

Bill M

I didn’t see anything, but the closeup makes clear that she was carried to the vehicle. That right foot doesn’t appear to have touched the ground once they started progressing to the vehicle.

Sapper3307

Cock ring?

Forest Green

It’s an EverReady. Explains the short circuit-like behavior.

OWB

A hard drive?

Sapper3307

BROOMSTICK DOWN! BROOMSTICK DOWN!

Ex-PH2

Yeah, but she had the 25-minute variety.

Flagwaver

Jonn, didn’t you know the best cure for pneumonia, especially the kind that makes you convulse and pass out, is 30 minutes in the house with a small child. That cures it completely to the point that you come down the stairs looking like you just got done being injected with the best drugs money can buy.

MSG Eric

That’s one I had forgotten about. I stayed at home basically quarantined when I had walking pneumonia for a few days to not spread it at all.

And when I had it, 3 days later in the morning I didn’t require someone to carry me and then in the afternoon have no problems whatsoever.

I think she gives about two shits what the press announcement is because her supporters and the media will just accept it as gospel.

2/17 Air Cav

I had the Big Greens for a week. It wasn’t fun. They’ll keep trying this cover and that one for days hoping to find one that seems plausible. Benghazi.

Dave Hardin
2/17 Air Cav

Art imitates life.

John Robert Mallernee

The news report that I saw indicated she was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday.

2/17 Air Cav

Yeah, that was after the news report that she suffered from the heat. And tomorrow it will be something else. Somebody said, “That heat thing sucks. No one will buy it. We need to work in that cough of hers. Wait! Bronchitis! No! Better! Pneumonia. Yeah, that’s it. Pneumonia. Get that doctor in here. We need an official diagnosis.”

RGR 4-78

TIA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack

I treated patients with these before, they are normally short lived events and the patient is back to their normal self after.

MustangCryppie

I think you are on to something there.

Many times, if the doc can get a bolus of drugs into the patient early, it’s as if it never happened.

RGR 4-78

The first TIA that I treated was exhibiting classic stroke symptoms, before we could transport her; she regained her normal self and was oriented to person, place and time. It really messed with my mind. I tried to get her to go to the hospital but she refused, she said she had these episodes on a regular basis.

Bill M

Looked like a spasm to me. The pneumonia diagnosis was designed to address the coughing fits she’s had. They had to roll it out today due to this event. Only cover story available at the time, I suspect.

HMC Ret

Maybe her people could follow her with a chair. As well as an elephant poop scooper.

Hondo

Not big enough. For the amount of BS she puts out, you’d need a front-end loader.

sgt. vaarkman 27-48th TFW

The media spin and cover up is in full swing 1st it was the heat, hey I’m in Jersey and this morning when this happened it was in the upper 70’s with a nice breeze, sort of blew that excuse out of the water and now she was diagnosed with pneumonia, supposedly on Friday(yeah right ?)then what the fuck was she doing out in the public ? spreading it ???, she was giving a speech at a Striesand sponsored LGBT rally for money affair the other night…once again who is the really deplorable one(s) ? And of course all her brain warped jackass minions deflect toward Trump and ignore her seriously deficient leadership and human qualities I have, same age as me an ex brother/sister-in-law, both retired school principle/teacher who think she is greatest thing since sliced white bread as is Obama is sliced pumpernickel-rye swirl, these are the type of people responsible for educating are youth, the dumbing down of our youth has been going on for a long time…they support everything I am against, like open borders, LGBT…they’re atheist and think the bible is a fairy tale and only vote dumbocrat. He’s the kind of guy who thinks I went into the USAF when I got out of HS in 1973, because I wasn’t smart enough to go to college, but yet I have been to more countries than him, hell he has never left the safety of the states, he thinks going to Busch gardens in VA simulates going to European countries(smh) or a Caribbean Disney cruise is going to a 3rd world country, and he thinks it was all fun and games for me when I was overseas at the tip of the spear at the height of the cold war, during the Carter years no less….he is so educated he doesn’t even know basic auto maintenance, hell my oldest daughter, who happens to be a school teacher,has more mechanical skills than him, he was amazed that someone as stupid as me took him to the hangar I worked out of for 25 years and fired… Read more »

HMC Ret

I recall when one of the Bush Presidents (the son ?) was raked over coals by MSM b/c he feigned surprise a store scanner could recognize a product barcode. The media takeaway was he was stupid or out of touch.
He flew a jet (probably unknown to most or conveniently overlooked) but was ‘stupid’.

Yeah, well, I guarantee he knows the number of States. He can probably name them also. Oslacker would have trouble naming them once past number 50.

MSM has long lost credibility. They no longer report and maybe inject an opinion of a topic. They are now about influence and destruction. True for +/- 30 years.

I challenge anyone to be selected to and do well in journalism school as an avowed conservative. Good luck with that.

Hondo

Actually, that was the elder Bush. The media made a huge deal out of that during one of his campaigns for POTUS – can’t remember whether it was against Dukakis or Clintoon.

Akpual

Hey now, they are “educators” sarc/off

MustangCryppie

Yup. I come from suburban NYC and I can guarantee you that my “friends” from my youth believe that I did as well as could be expected.

Wrote them off a looooong time ago.

Poetrooper

Pneumonia? How convenient when you consider that such a diagnosis can be used to explain her absence from the campaign trail so that she has more time to prepare for the upcoming debates.

That Trump has so much ammunition to use on her must have Hillary and her handlers scared shitless. Knowing that they have no effective way to counter Trump’s attacks, they can use her “temporary” illness to explain her inability to respond effectively at those debates. And if Trump is relentless in his attacks, they’ll have their media lapdogs pronouncing him mean and ruthless, picking on a sick woman, which will suck in many female voters.

Trump had better find several medical experts to examine Hillary’s past episodes as well as this one today to show that something far more pernicious than pneumonia is at work here, such as the likelihood that Hillary has advanced Parkinson’s and the damned Democrats aren’t about to tell the nation the truth about it.

I am ashamed to admit that I once was a member of that treacherous party, a party that would knowingly and deliberately saddle this nation with a sick and ineffective Commander in Chief at such a dangerous time in world events. I don’t know if they are traitors but I do know they are not patriots.

Ex-PH2

A – It won’t suck me in.

B – See my remarks here: http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=67901&cpage=1#comment-2898133

and here:
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=67901&cpage=1#comment-2898126

If anything, it will only get worse from here. A year ago, when she started this campaign, she was perky, NOT HEAVY-SET, and not looking or acting like she was about to drop in her tracks. Today, she almost did that very thing. I cannot imagine anyone with any sense doing something this blatantly foolish and thinking it’s okay when it is not. The greed is thicker than chicken gravy with this one.

It doesn’t matter whose name is on the DNC side of ballot. If she’s incapacitated by then, a new candidate will have to take that slot, and Kaine is it for starters.

Bill M

Heavy steroid treatment has the side effect of chubbing one up. That might explain the weight gain.

Ex-PH2

Hmmm…. you guys are far too easy on her highnessness.

Congestive heart failure. Ever see her ankles, at all? Swollen ankles caused by excessive fluid, poor circulation.

Congested lungs. Fluid backup in the lungs can cause shortness of breath with exercise or difficulty breathing at rest or when lying flat in bed. Lung congestion can also cause a dry, hacking cough or wheezing.

Just An Old Dog

I wonder what that hiefer dresses out at. I saw some bullshit that said 132 pounds.
In dog pounds maybe.
Shes supposed to be 5’6″. She has been wearing some burlap sack looking shit. I bet shes close to 170 or 180, well over what a fit woman should be.

HMCS(FMF) ret

Head injury a couple of years ago that even Slick Willie admits “took some time to recover from”. On Coumadin post fall… been having coughing spells for a while now, blaming it on allergies. Now today’s medical event. Too many things adding up for me – I’m thinking that she has CHF and some sort of CNS issue going on, possible a long term problem since her accident. Now her party sees it as a problem… Hell, all Trump has to so is go to a gym or take a stroll in a park with his family and them show the video from today.

Hillary can’t hide her health problems anymore… not like Wilson, FDR or JFK did when they were POTUS. She’s a physically sick person that should go home… for good.

Ex-PH2

Yes, but there’s that whole greed factor, Doc. That can’t be removed with surgery or deflected with pills and injections.

In fact, it may be the death of her.

It’s almost like watching an Iron Man competition, and in the foot race, the lead competitor collapses 10 yards from the finish line and tries to crawl the rest of the way, but can’t quite get there.

Greed does strange things to people.

sgt. vaarkman 27-48th TFW

Caviar hoi poloi gas build up, that is my professionul opinion…or ? Liarusbenghazikarmatosis disease….strange on 9/11, spirits getting even ?

HMC Ret

Here is a quote from Charlie “The House Has Found Me Guilty in 11 of 13 Ethics Charges” Rangel. I think it is from 2005. BTW, Rangle is older (1930 vs 1941) than Cheney.

“He should never have stepped up in the first place,” Rangel said. “He’s too old for the job and doesn’t have the experience.”

This is not at all concerning a heart transplant. It simply concerns age.

BTW, 71 y/o patients often get transplants. It was primarily a concern among MSM and liberals. Go figure …

Cacti35

Old Slick Willie did not come out to help his wife. He was probably zeroed in on Bette Midler.

sj

Chelsea has some nice digs there. Nice comeback from when mom and pop left the White House dead broke.

2/17 Air Cav

It’s all over the news this morning that Wide Load was diagnosed with pneumonia. Sure. Here’s the problem: the diagnosis was made on Friday. So, why did her staffers say that she was overcome by the heat when she was out on her feet yesterday? Um. Well. Ah. Wait! Clinton was being courageous, suffering in silence, and did not share the diagnosis because she didn’t want to worry anyone. That’s it! Let’s run with that! And that’s what’s happening. Today and tomorrow, a few real journalists may sit down and ‘timeline’ the health lies that have been told about her and question why, with that incessant coughing, she was put on antibiotics only Friday. They may look at the denials of health problems and note the other instances—spanning months—of Wide Load’s mini episodes and sudden absences from the campaign trail. This isn’t going away, although it looks this morning that damn near every newsy is broadcasting and repeating the pneumonia lie. Benghazi.