What Military Fakers Steal From Us (Guest Editorial)

| March 6, 2012

Even before I joined the US Army the idea of military fakers has bothered me. I have never fully understood what makes someone want to present him or herself as something they are not, or wearing something that they have not earned. For starters, I am the “Blackfive Reader” that submitted Darrel Tracht to the Blackfive, that was followed up on here at ThisAinthell.us and the Blackfive.net. It was my first experience actually encountering a military faker, or phony veteran. I myself am a combat veteran, and current member of the US Army Reserve. I was deployed to Zhari District, Kandahar Province in support of Operation: ENDURING FREEDOM X and XI.

Recently I relayed my experience about this fraud to a friend, during that discussion in explaining that this certain individual was posing as a US Navy SEAL, he asked me a very pointed question “but what did he take from you”? In some ways he was right, while I am graduate of the JFK Special Warfare Center and School, I am not a SEAL, I am not SF, how could I be bothered about someone faking to be something I myself am not? That question got me thinking about what we are really losing or what is really being stolen from us as a result of the epidemic of military fakers. What they have stolen for us as veterans is our trust in one another.

To me one of most important things we have as soldiers and service members is trust. From the earliest days in basic training we are taught to rely on each other, to rely on the team, the bond that holds that team together is trust. We have that trust in our fellow soldiers that we will support each other, that if we fall someone will come get us, we will share our last water or food even though we are hungry or thirsty, we will sacrifice for one another even though we may have only know each other for a short time.  It is in our creed, that we will never leave a fallen comrade, and we live it on deployment. We believe and trust that these are facts and not ideals. To us this trust is a scared thing, for many us of after deployment the only people some of us are even comfortable trusting is our own families and military families.

Military fakers break that faith, that strong bond of trust soldiers place in one another, they do this to us because when we meet a fellow veteran or someone claiming to be, no matter how hard we want to believe their story or service record in the back of our minds we are asking ourselves, is this guy a fake? The epidemic of military fakers has caused us to doubt the experiences of our fellow veterans. Instead of embracing one another in our shared hardship and experiences of serving our country, we question if it is authentic. I am sure as you read this submission you are thinking of asking me for my DD214, to verify my service. Since becoming a combat veteran I felt as though I shared unique bond with veterans of other wars, as a community of veterans we represent such a small fraction of our total population. And as we all know, our community of veterans continues to decrease every day.

The trust we have in each other is what military fakers or phony vets have really robbed us of. Because of them, when someone claims to be a vet, instead extending a hand and calling them brother, often our first inclination is to be suspicious of them. In doing so we doubt that trust. That trust, that we have at one time or another placed in the hands of complete strangers that we have served with. Beyond the stolen benefits, the fraud, or the stolen accolades, these liars, have caused us to be suspicious and doubt one another.

We cannot deny that we do it. We seek details to verify those things only we would know, or try to notice specifics or inconsistencies that seem out of place in their stories. It’s not that we are paranoid, we want to believe each other but we closely guard our status as combat veterans, and due to the epidemic of liars, we are conditioned to be on the lookout for those who would steal and malign that status. This doubt now has even extended to civilians doubting service members and veterans. News and local organizations have to ask for verifying documents, because all to often when they have not it has been proven that they have been duped by a fraud.

To that end, that is what I believe these liars steal from us, but because we want to honor those we have served and bled with we continue to root them out, to not let them tarnish what we have earned. While we may lose some of our trust in one another, the greater good is that we continue to expose these frauds because we will not allow those who have not earned, to steal from those who have paid for those honors with their lives.

 

Combat CAsh is a current member of the US Army Reserve. He is a graduate of the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School, Civil Affairs Specialist Course. He was deployed to Zhari District, Kandahar Province, in support of OEF: X and XI (surge). His email address is CombatCAsh5(at)gmail(dot)com. 

 

Category: Phony soldiers, Veterans Issues

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tater

This is very well written i haven’t been able to put into words why this bothers me so much.

Lucky

COmbat CAsh, when were you at SWC? I will email you in a minute… Nice to see a fellow CA Soldier speak up!

CI

One of the best write-up’s I’ve seen on this issue.

Lucky

And y’all were hating on CA……

SSG Medzyk

They also steal civilian faith in the services.

Ron Mexico

These guys don’t ask for documentation unless you disagree with them, but then you’re a phony now matter what.. So you’re good combatcash as long as you tow the line and never offer an opposing view point to anything.

Hondo

Ron Mexico . . . . hmmm . . . . for some reason, that makes me think of a herpes-infected guy who ended up doing time for racketeering and illegal dogfighting . . . .

Jonn Lilyea

Ron is also from New Jersey. They must breed trolls up there.

Ex-Army Doc

Very nicely written! From my position at a VA outpatient clinic, your analysis of “trust” is on target with the veteran conversations in our waiting room.

Let’s hope the Supreme Court considers your opinion in their deliberations.

Lucky

Ron, Ronboy, Ronald, calm yourself dude! We only ask when the claims smell like a shit sandwich… You, just sound like you are ate up like a Soup Sandwich, care to downgrade yourself to shit sandwich?

Old Tanker

Well said Combat….

NHSparky

Ron, ease up and take a Preparation H there, big boy. I don’t mind dissenting viewpoints, I do however have a major issue with shit-stirring fucktards.

Just sayin.

And in so far as trust goes, to take it a step further, it either destroys the trust or reenforces the MIS-trust civilians have in the military. Get a guy who claims he was all high-speed, low-drag, killin-everything-in-sight bullshit, for which, IIRC, CBS has yet to apologize for the 60 Minutes special, “The Wall Within” 24 years after the fact, as an example.

What is the 97-98 percent of the population who never wore a uniform supposed to think of that when it’s presented to them as gospel truth, when in fact it’s nothing more than a steaming pile of warm runny shit? Our jobs just became that much harder, our service that much more tarnished.

Yat Yas 1833

Gentlemen, I still consider myself an FNG here so if I might ask a question? Have all of these trolls been here this whole time? It seems to me a whole boat load just suddenly showed up.

ROS

It’s getting close to election time, YY. They’ll be even worse in a couple of months.

Yat Yas 1833

Oh, and before I forget, great piece. It says what I want to tell people when they ask why veterans hate posers.

NHSparky

Yup, it’s one of those, “Here we fucking go again” type of scenarios.

Only this time, they’ll be blaming us for Obama’s losing.

gi_janearng

“Military fakers break that faith, that strong bond of trust soldiers place in one another, they do this to us because when we meet a fellow veteran or someone claiming to be, no matter how hard we want to believe their story or service record in the back of our minds we are asking ourselves, is this guy a fake?”

Hit it spot on.

I have “seen” many fakers on the interwebz, but only once I have met one in person. He was married to a private in the Battalion I was assigned to before I got out and had the nerve to show up during our weapons fire exercise, saunter up to the tower and call a cease fire because in his infinite wisdom, thought the hot range flag was the wrong color. That douchebag was walking around every day with a different colored beret…the mistake he made was showing up wearing a green one…with a SF crest but no patch underneath it. He never even fought for it when a someone who had earned it ripped it off his head and demanded to know who he really was. He turned out to be wanted in several other states for being a child molester.

Like Sparky said, it reinforces a mistrust in cilvilians, and definitely in the ones who should be watching out for this kind of BS. The dirtbag in my story claimed to have retired from the military but never had the proper ID to have been let through the gate at the post we were training at. And a loose cannon on a hot range? One could only imagine what would have happened *if* he had fought back.

CI Roller Dude

Very well written! From what I’ve seen, it’s not just our “trust” that the posers are taking…they are also making life harder for true war vets.
How: So many are sucking up resoures, like actually getting into VA clinics and getting free medical care. Like acting like a fool and claiming to be a war vet- then they bring us all down because the public will think we’re all fools.
Look at all the posers who’ve taken money from different groups…money that was supposed to go to helping real vets.
Fake Vets getting on TV and in the Media and telling bullshit…that makes the rest of us look bad. And yes, I have THREE DD214’s. One from Active duty in Berlin, one from Bosnia (called up) and one from Iraq (called up again).

Beretverde

Wow…an IMA grad not claiming that he was “flash qualified.” Now that’s a story! As for Ron (MV7)… with my life experiences in see/dealing with the ninja wearing SF-SEAL-Ranger-HALO etc accoutrements, 99% were phonies. So yes, you are a phony until proven otherwise (with me). It is an epidemic. Can’t even go to Key West with the family to go snorkeling, and run into a clown wearing a Wounded Warrior shirt with an ACU boonie hat… with an SF tab on the front of the hat and a Ranger tab on the back of the hat… and try to tell me about group (“there are no more battalions… things have changed”-when axed what bn he served in). Hardly worth going to war no more.

Jerrod Griffith (Vundy)

I have been called a poser by a few people on Terminal Lance . It doesnt bother me. I am a Master Sergeant in the Army Special Forces. I have Silver stars, Purple Hearts and quite a few other awards. I just dont feel the need to “prove” to anyone that I do what I do.

Jonn Lilyea

Yeah, Jerrod, the rest of us don’t “feel” a need, either, but we don’t mind it, since most of us keep a DD214 on our hard drive. I’ve had to cough one up at times. Like you probably should right about now. Especially since there’s no record of a Jerrod Griffith in AKO.

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Bobo

Jerrod – you don’t need to prove it to anyone, yet you need to give us your ERB rundown without being asked? Interesting.

Steadfast&Loyal

hear hear.

’nuff said.

Ne Desit Virtus

Wow Jerrod, silver star(S)!? I don’t even think there is anyone on active duty with more than one Silver Star. You must be so classified they don’t even track your awards anymore

LastAllUCanB

I read this through twice and then sat here a minute before I could comment. This is probably the most eloquent statement of why Stolen Valor is so offensive to me. I’m not SF nor will I ever be. I’m just PA whose deployed a couple times and has gone out on missions with the bravest and craziest bastards I’ve ever had the privilege to call friends. I’ve seen our troops time and again selflessly do what they felt needed doing regardless of the sacrifice, and I take it personal when someone make false claims.

NHSparky

Just looked it up on Homeofheroes.com. Army total of Silver Stars during GWOT is 266 (178 Iraq, 88 Afghanistan.)

Only one repeat recipient of the Silver Star during GWOT, Corporal Angelo J. Vaccarro.

Both awards made posthumously.

Congrats on stepping on your dick there, bud.

Jacobite

Wow, very well thought out and presented CAsh. I’ll be referencing that when talking to others about the issue.

And stuff it Ron. I’ve been posting here off and on for a few years without any problems. I frequently take a slightly off kilter position on popularly held views here, the group has argued loudly with things I have to say on occasion, but I’ve never been chewed to pieces, if you have, you might want to examine your delivery.

Jacobite

Jerrod = obvious troll.

His statement ‘feels’ like a 14 year old bragging about his latest ‘Call of Duty’ game accomplishments.

CI

Huh…..I’ve never heard anyone in SOF quite use the words “in the Army Special Forces”……

Interesting.

Just Plain Jason

Damn if we agreed on everything I don’t think we would get along as well.

I have never been secret about who I am or what I did, there are days I feel like telling people I was a 42A cause no one wants to hear about paperwork. I have dealt with some phonies in my life and most of the time I let them trip themselves up and clown them as they run their mouth. Recently, I met a marine who I believe was a force recon scout sniper tail gunner on the space shuttle during the Vietnam war…and he wanted his pain meds. He was a legit marine, but all else was bs…

Ann

Any legitimate veteran has no problems with providing documentation. It’s happened to me, and I don’t feel insulted. I’m glad to know that people care enough to ask, and will thus bust whatever poser wanders across their path in the future. I hate the veterans who embellish their service even more. We can’t all be jedi SF ninja wizards, and if you feel so inadequate about your decisions as a combat support person then man up by reenlisting and going for whatever title you want to earn.

I’ve lost 7 friends from the Marines, and know countless others with physical and mental injuries from their service. For some scumbag to STEAL their sacrifices for their own gain is disgusting. I’d gladly take the felony conviction in exchange for beating a poser within an inch of his life for dishonoring those who actually earned their accolades.

Yoshi

This post goes for civilians like myself too. I can spot the real obvious fakers like the ones claiming to have been pulled out of BCT to kill little Peruvian girls, but some of the ones that have been highlighted here would have given me a lot of trouble. It’s to the point where I automatically get suspicious of anybody claiming Special Operations qualifications or significant time in Iraq/Afghanistan.

Drama

While I understand the need to have a more impressively stated argument against the fakers, it really shouldn’t be necessary.

I’ve never thought of it as them stealing something, though I suppose that is correct, rather it’s the fact that they are lying and full of it.

I don’t go around saying I have a masters in engineering from MIT, because I don’t and I couldn’t back it up anyway. But if I did you bet it would carry consequences when I was found out.

Phony vets are liars, that’s it no more, no less. But the author is correct they steal trust. Though no monetary value can be attached to their –theft(?) a crime is a crime and shouldn’t be ordered by value.

Ann

@34 I’d love to see one of these idiots charged with slander or libel against veterans.

usmcPI89

lmao, I was booted from Terminal Lance because of douches like this, I will admit that the reason I was booted was my own fault….the dude that runs the site is pretty chill….so, with that said…MAX RUNS A COOL FORUM….But people get ass hurt once in a while….89PI is not that bad,

usmcPI89

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies528.htm

The reason I got banned, because he tells stories…YUT!

usmcPI89

btw, he or Brad M, another poser…have been awat from the threads

usmcPI89

Vundy’s latest war was helping victims according to him, he saved many women and children from the storms, and did not post on Terminal Lance because of no Internet and Power………………BUT HE WAS POSTING BLUE GRASS RIVAL SHIT ABOUT U-KENTUCKY…all three days of thetornado …..

Vundy

I dont have to prove shit! My srb is sealed…just so u dudes know… SF records are sealed…dumb ass fuckers

Vundy

If you dudes were smart and actual SF, you would know this…

USMC89PI

Vundy, you are a douche…………

Drama

@35 I agree Ann, but Libel or Slander would be tough since those charges are apply to cases involving defamation or intent to damage one’s reputation.

More properly would be charges of fraud. I’m no lawyer but I see no reason why it couldn’t be legitimately pursued.

Ann

@40 Mr. Leary, just so you know, SF personnel actually have a good grasp of spelling and grammar. Unless you got selected before you could complete you Hooked on Phonics Army Online class of course.

Fieldmre

Vundy dude is poser, I see his shit on various sites, faggot poser is a poser!

Fieldmre

Why are ypu Leery of me?

Fieldmre

email me ann

Fieldmre

ann?

jeff

email me

gi_janearng

Hey Vundy, you should try that “my records are sealed!” line over at socnet. They’d love you for it!

Ann

Vundy, gi_janearng is right. All the SOC bubbas call that place home. I know Silverbullit and Frog would love to hang around and talk SOFshop stuff with a fellow SOFer!