Robert Brooks; nothing but questions

Photo credit: thanks to Quad-City Times
A few weeks ago, I got a ream of documentation from somewhere in regards to this fellow, Robert Brooks. Soon after that, I talked to Ms. Barb Ickes of the Quad-City Times. She and I compared notes on this Brooks fellow who claims to be one of the great heroes of the Vietnam War. His FOIA certainly bears that out;

Pretty amazing collection of awards, isn’t it? He claims that he served in all of the branches of the services, but the Marines and the Air Force deny that claim.
A closer examination of the awards also raise questions. For example, the records report that he earned the Combat Infantry Badge, but he never served in an infantry or special forces unit. The records also indicate that he earned a Parachutist Badge and a Pathfinder Badge. There is nothing in his records which supports that he attended the schools for either. His records say that he earned the Army Overseas Ribbon, the Army Service Ribbon and the the NCO Professional Development Ribbon (in the FOIA it mistakenly calls it the NCO Proficiency Ribbon) – none of those ribbons were in existence until 1981 – eleven years after Brooks left the Army.
According to the Quad-City Times story, Brooks can provide no documentation for any of his Silver Stars (he claims 3) or his four Distinguished Flying Crosses, or even his 3 Bronze Star Medals. He claims the Navy Fleet Marine Force Ribbon, but aside from the fact that he never served in the Marine Corps, the ribbon wasn’t in existence until 1984. I’m also not aware of any “Republic of Vietnam Combat Action Ribbon”. The Vietnam Air Cross of Gallantry had no “wings” – it had stars and palm leaves accouterments.
Ms. Ickes writes;
None of the Purple Hearts could be verified, and Brooks offered few details about his injuries, except to say, “I know I was wounded five times. I know all my medical records over there were lost. When the VA was looking over my case, they just couldn’t find anything.
“In Cu Chi (Vietnam), I got ripped up pretty bad. I don’t know if those records got back.”
In an interview Monday at his home, he offered a similar explanation for other missing documents: “I was in Special Ops (Operations), and they destroyed all their records.”
For Col. James Patterson, a Green Beret and Army legal adviser, Brooks’ explanations only add to his skepticism.
“The Army doesn’t destroy anything,” he said. “There’s nothing from Vietnam that’s still classified.”
Mary Schantag, chairwoman of the Missouri-based POWnetwork, said she also was asked to look into Brooks’ records after his story appeared in the Times. Her focus was on his account of being captured, tortured, then rescued in Vietnam.
“The escapees are the most well-known POWs of Vietnam,” she said. “They were debriefed heavily. Brooks did not escape. There is no way this stuff is missed.
“There are 20-plus steps that are required to be taken when a soldier is separated from his unit. The many mandatory methods include notification of family within 48 hours. There are no records of this nature whatsoever for Mr. Brooks.”
Asked why he is not listed in any missing or POW records, Brooks replied: “Probably because they don’t want people to know we existed.”
Well, he wasn’t assigned to special forces according to his 2-1;

There doesn’t seem to be any hospital time in his 2-1, either. From Quad-City times;
He said he could not explain why his Silver Star had one oak leaf cluster, which represents a second Silver Star, given that his DD-214 shows he should have a total of three.
“They only have one on there, so maybe I only have two Silver Stars,” he said. “That’s what I want to know: How many do I have? I’m not the only one this happened to. It was some bad accounting in those days.”
He said he never has seen any of his own Citations for the Silver Stars, which are the third-highest military decoration for valor.
Another local Vietnam veteran, Bill Albracht of Moline, said he recalls every detail of the events that led to his three verifiable Silver Stars.
“The actions surrounding the awards I received are burned into my very soul,” he said Thursday. “It is inconceivable to me that a combat veteran would forget the circumstances surrounding the award of his Silver Star medal.”
There is evidence that his records at NPRC were recently altered, after the controversy began back in January. But, I’m not ready to put Ol’ Bob in the Stolen Valor category quite yet, just the big question mark category until we can get definitive answers from the National Personnel Records Center as to how these records were altered.
Category: Who knows
Hmm. Kinda looks to me like another of those famous 50 shades of grey – one very close to the Wallace Grey Rather shade. I hope I’m wrong.
Very Jerry Vroomboutish, indeed.
http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=37104
Or he is trying out for a position at All-Points Logistics.
Hey! he was in the Civil Air Patrol. Maybe he knows Chevy?
He does have a NDSM though. Bit a sniper? Pfffft.
Chevy had a CAP DD-214. He started a trend.
I must have missed that. Where does this post or the linked article state he was/is a CAP member?
Last line of the decorations and awards (continued) shot.
Thanks, I didn’t look close enough. I’ve never heard of CAP qualifications/awards showing up on an FOIL request. I only know of one award provided to CAP members by the federal government:
http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/484896/house-approves-congressional-gold-medal-for-civil-air-patrol.aspx
I have absolutely no idea why a qualification earned as a volunteer for a non-profit corporation would be legitimately included.
NOT a sniper…not bit one.
“There is evidence that his records at NPRC were recently altered, after the controversy began back in January.”
WRF,O … so not even the NPRC records are sacred?
What records alteration controversy in January!
There are some things that you just don’t forget. Plus, the military gives you a copy of every certificate, every award, every badge. I still have all of mine.
And as was stated earlier, the Army, like the other branches, doesn’t destroy a damned thing.
Lots of questions on this fellow. Lots of questions indeed, especially since his responses fit a recognizable pattern of behaviour.
No they don’t. I had to go to MILPER to get a copy of one.
I also had an award completely lost after it was approved. Found out about it after the fact but my commander had already left the service so I had no way of pursuing it.
Years later when we connected on Linked-in he just decided it was not worth either of our efforts to fix it because it had been a decade and it was only an ARCOM.
Go work yourself with a Phildo.
MILPER isn’t part of the military, Lars?
Your assertions just keep getting more and more strange.
Larsie-boy Rudy-poo, your time in JROTC DOES NOT COUNT as prior service, Sparkle Pony!
I’m a Navy/Army type and I have Naval Aircrew Qualification Badge on my DD-214’s. What the heck is Navy Aircrew Member Wings? A Navy PVT E-3? Did anyone notice on the FOIA 3 years Army was listed first, but on the schools it was Navy first? Did I also see Naval Aviator Wings for an Aviation Machinist Mate? No aircrew school. No flight training? Really?
They definitely do not. I currently do not have a copy of any of my awards. Not even my DD-214. I really do need to request another copy of it.
Easy enough to do.
“Despite the absence of proof, Nick Harris, an expert archive technician for the records center, insisted the Silver Stars are legitimate. ‘”He definitely has two Silver Stars,”‘ Harris said. ‘”I’ll tell you what: This guy’s a war hero. I’ve been here a long time, and I’ve never seen anyone with this many medals.”‘
I suppose that statement by the “expert archivist” is what prompts the reservations. What we will end up with, I guess, is an embellisher. The thing is, Barb did not serve alone, especially given his claims of service in multiple branches. Someone knows him and can either stand up for him or tell the world he is full of it.
The question of whether the individual “has” 2 Silver Stars is irrelevant. They can be purchased from any number of vendors or other sources.
The relevant question is whether the individual was validly awarded any Silver Stars during his military career – and if so, how many.
Hondo: I understood Harris to mean that he found evidence in the records for two Silver Stars. If that’s not true and Harris is referring to Brooks’ physical possession of medals, then this whole thing is more bizarre than I thought.
2/17 Air Cav: the article also says that NPRC had been unable to find any documentation for any of the man’s claimed Silver Stars, as well as for most (all but one or two) of his DFCs.
Further, Harris also was talking about some “limestone cave” in which records are stored – records Harris claims are in “disarray”. That appears to refer to a facility run by OPM, not one run by the National Archives. I’m also fairly sure that OPM facility doesn’t have a damn thing to do with the storage of any military records whatsoever.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/sinkhole-of-bureaucracy/
OPM deals with Federal civilian employment and related records and policies – not military records. The only military items they’d have on file would be items that a Federal employee provided when hired relating to his/her prior military status or qualifications.
Thanks for that. Very interesting read.
The citations are more valuable than the physical medals, etc.
His comment about how the VA just could not find anything about his injuries… I guess that is possible, but I know my self even after giving them absolute proof of occurrences on my claim, to include substantiation by my then CO they deny the claim for lack of any record.
In regards to him overall, it is funny how he has awards that did not exist when he left the service. Be kind of like me suddenly having a Global War on Terrorism award. I have a ton of questions myself.
The biggest reason for the questions marks seems to be the statements by Archivist Tech Harris. I looked up AFN-MC2 but really didn’t learn much. USA jobs has archivist tech listed as a low-paying job (relative to other fed salaries) but I just don’t know. My thinking is that Harris may or may not be the expert he was branded by the reporter. I’m all ears (or eyes) if anyone can flesh this out a bit.
Wait. . . This so-called “expert archive technician” at NPRC is backing him, and there’s evidence that Brooks’ records were altered AFTER the controversy began? Something is VERY rotten in Denmark. . .
I would like to know, is he retired Military? Does he have a retired ID Card?? He is claiming disability with the VA? If he is, he should have to prove that he was injured. A Silver Star or Purple Heart certificates, a form 2-1 of his assignments. Units where he was injured.
AND mostly, I would like to know how in the world was his records altered while in the National Personnel Records Center
Right on Sarge!
If the NRPC records are subject to alteration than ALL NRPC records are suspect! That would indicate that all the phoneys are real (because their records were altered) and the real JFSEs are probably phoneys (because their records were altered).
This brings up the question, is there a pay for awards clerk there? If the answer is yes then I can see why NRPC would want to keep this quiet. Where is the S&S article on this *hero”? Why are no fellows soldiers coming to his support. Certs are always presented with the pinning of the medal. Secret Ops yes, secret wounds and awarding of the Purple Heart no. I would have heard of this clown in thru the grapevine. Joe
At the bottom of the article is this quote from Brooks: “I also was put in for the Medal of Honor, but I was denied.”
Okay. Medal of Honor. We hit the tippy top. And there are no records of his being nominated? Of his being denied? Of the action that prompted the nomination? What specific action was it? When? Where? What branch? What unit? It seems to me that if that claim falls, it’s over for him.
It’s possible that the ASR and OSR are legit.
Both were created in 1981. However, award of the ASR was retroactive for those serving on active duty at the time. The guy’s FOIA shows he was serving on active duty with the USN in 1981, so perhaps he technically rates a retroactive ASR.
The case for the OSR is similar. I believe I remember reading something at the Army HRC awards division website indicating that the OSR has been made retroactive to Vietnam for personnel who (1) served in-country long enough to qualify for a 1-year “short tour” and (2) were still on active duty 1981. He may thus technically also rates a retroactive OSR.
The NCOPDR could be problematic, however. Not sure that sister-service enlisted professional development counts, and I don’t think WOC counts either. I could be wrong about the latter, though.
Looking over his NA 13164 (FOIA summary), I found another very curious thing.
He apparently served 18 yrs, 9 mo to the day on active duty. However, he’s not listed as “Retired” – he’s listed as “Discharged”.
It appears he either wasn’t eligible for or declined to take advantage of the 20-year sanctuary provision in Federal law. I’d love to see the details concerning that part.
If NPRC can alter records, does that mean I can get my awards for babysitting 16 children in adult bodies pretending to do security at 10 Start Trek conventions added to my records? I think I deserve something for that. And there’s other stuff, too.
Seriously, I want to know who-what-why-when and how, but mostly the big ‘who’ and ‘why’ those records were altered. This raises a very red flag, in my viewpoint, and does require some digging and detective work.
Working at Star Trek conventions alone should get you combat pay and counseling for PTSD.
Thank you. I was thinking of making up my own awards, anyway.
And while I’m at it, this statement is just grindingly offensive.
Asked why he is not listed in any missing or POW records, Brooks replied: “Probably because they don’t want people to know we existed.”
This is utter bullshit. ALL the MIAs and POWs are known. They are ALL listed. There were no secrets then about anything except where they were being held, and even that is no longer classified as ‘secret’.
Agree
-You- are KDC? Wow.
KDC? I don’t follow you.
Perhaps things have changed. “security” at SciFi/Trek cons was often at least partly done by volunteer groups like The Dorsai Irregulars, who at Trek cons call themselves The Klingon Diplomatic Corps. (KDC)
I may be wildly out of date here. I haven’t been to a Trek con in decades.
Sorry. I had a geek moment there.
Why is everyone staring at me?
What? You mean they aren’t staring at me??
Oh, now I understand. The ‘security’ episodes I worked were in the very early 1990s with a different production company. It was a Starfleet Command club, which has gone defunct. and I haven’t been to a sci-fi or fantasy con in ages, either, so I’m not up to date on it.
The sci-fi cons still go on, as do the fantasy cons. I think Dragoncon is still going on, but I have to check on that. It wasn’t that it got old, it was just time-consuming.
The best one I ever went to was when NASA sent someone from Wright-Patterson AFB to give us a heads-up on how much stuff in the space program got into public use (e.g., freeze-dried stuff) shortly after the space station started using it.
Everything from his 2-1 indicates he was in aviation, as a helo pilot. No more, no less.
I don’t know where all the other BS is coming from, or how some “expert archivist” at NPRC is claiming he definitely has 2 silver stars. If true, must have earned them as a pilot, which I don’t think is very common.
The stuff about SF, being a POW, etc., is total crap. And if he can prove it true I will drive to the Quad Cities and make a very humble apology in person.
This guy smells to high heavens – but I do know an Air Force pilot who got two Silver Stars in Viet Nam. (Real ones.)
I’m gonna wait for it to come out on DVD so I can rent it at Redbox before I believe anything on this “hero”..
Seven of his listed awards rate a citation at the following site:
http://projects.militarytimes.com/citations-medals-awards/search.php?medal=&service=&conflict=&term=brooks&page=11
No citations appear there.
I’d suggest taking the absence of a listing for the Silver Star and below at that site with a grain of salt. I’m pretty sure that I’ve read somewhere that records for the Army personnel Silver Star during Korea and Vietnam at that site are at best 80% or so complete. I believe that records for the BSM there are even less complete.
However, you would think the odds that at least one out of seven would be listed would be close to a certainty.
Understood.
On the other hand, being awarded 58 ‘Airmen’ medals’ sounds legit, especially for someone who never served in the Air Force.
‘The Airman’s Medal is a military decoration of the United States Air Force and is awarded to those service members or those of a friendly nation who, while serving in any capacity with the United States Air Force, distinguish themselves by heroic actions, usually at the voluntary risk of life, but not involving actual combat. The saving of a life or the success of the voluntary heroic act is not essential.’
I’m working from memory and may be wrong, but as I recall from prior research the Air Medal was awarded in Vietnam by the US Army for either (a) 25 hours of “high intensity” flying – I forget the proper term, but that was essentially where you had a damn good chance of getting shot at, or (b) 100 hours of routine flying under less dangerous conditions. Achieving 58 air medals would thus be possible in less than 1500 hours of flight time. The guy was in Vietnam for 2+ years, so he’d only have needed to average a bit over 2 hrs flying per day to get that much.
He’d need more if some of the AMs were awarded for admin flight hours, but it’s not out of the question. I understand the rotary-wing pilots in Vietnam generally logged a sh!tload of flight time.
The article Jonn links to says they’ve documented at least 14 AMs the guy legitimately received, and I’ve heard of pilots with multiple Vietnam tours flirting with or exceeding 100. So while the AM claim raises eyebrows, it’s possibly legit.
Calling BS on this rendition. Not that the theoretical math is incorrect, Hondo. Just that it’s highly unlikely.
Were he actually in that echelon of recognized accomplishments, there would still be those around who would not simply willingly, but happily, confirm his tales. Immediately following the war, many highly decorated folks disappeared from public view, but those who remained on in the military, even the reserve forces, tended to know each other, and where everyone else was. Those folks would be now vocal in his defense.
Again, not conclusive proof, but one more indictor that this is mostly BS.
You could easily be correct, OWB. I’m not saying the 58 AM claim is legit – just that it could be. I’m suspending judgement.
It would surprise but not shock me to find out the AM claim is legit. But it would not surprise me to find out it’s BS.
The fact that his official records do not show any of his 3 claimed Silver Stars and only 1 or 2 of his 4 claimed DFCs is IMO a much bigger deal. Ditto the fact that none of his claimed 5 PHs seem to be in his records.
And his POW claim is, well, pure BS. He’s not on the list of those taken prisoner who later were rescued or escaped. Period.
Yep. We are in agreement. (As is not at all shocking.
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I know I’m splitting hairs here, but Air Medal and Airman Medal are different awards.
So this guy was devious enough to serve in the Army Reserve while on active duty in the Navy, but couldn’t complete the mission and get a retirement check for his efforts.
Agreed. I’m pretty sure the “Airman Medal” listing was a typo, and should have read “Air Medal”. Not all the techs at NPRC consistently use correct names and abbreviations for military awards; you see some . . . interesting variations of award names on FOIA replies. (smile)
The 57 could also be a typo, since in an earlier part the FOIA reply lists him as having 37 Air Medals. It’s not outside the realm of possibility that someone was having eye or typing issues and misread/mistyped “37” as “57”.
If the actual AM number is 37, that’s eminently believable for someone who spent 18 mo straight as a rotary-wing pilot in the RVN. That would require on the order of 900 flight hours (the number of “flight hours” required under USARV policy for award of an AM was 24, and further research indicates that many combat missions may have counted as 1 flight-hour each, regardless of actual duration). That’s eminently do-able in 18 mo – it’s about 50 “flight hours” per month, or half the reputed limit.
Yay, another self-appointed “expert”. This time, it’s an archivist. Has anyone already told Doug Sterner about this guy?
Fitfy seven (57) Air Medals must have been flying 24/7/365 to earn that many. As a pilot he does not rate Aircrew wings also they would be Combat Aircrew Wings. Pilots get DFCs not Silver Stars. Enough for now. Joe
Not having an Air Medal, I’m not sure how subsequent awards are denoted. But it seems to me that fitting 57 OLCs (even if the are in increments of 5 silver for every bronze) would be a little difficult.
I thought Air Medals got numerals after the first one?
The Army does use numerals now for the AM to denote 2nd and subsequent awards. It didn’t use numerals early in the Vietnam War. However, some Army pilots started getting enough of them under Vietnam AM policies that the Army changed to using numerals.
He didn’t claim to be a Navy SEAL, a Marine Sniper, an Army Ranger, or an Air Force Pilot. He must be legit.
Or a CPO, honorary or other wise.
Well, his 214 does indicate his being an Air Force Reserve helicopter pilot. And there’s that 214 releasing him from the CAP thingy.
ALL the records of events from Vietnam were declassified by 1990. Anyone who wanted to do archival research had access to those records. Why do these people do this? Do they really think no one knows what went on there?
I have a couple of questions for those who know far more than I.
The NPRC has a walk in research service, with appointment, to be able to view records or simple get a photo copy of a DD-214. Is it a private viewing or is an archivist present?
I have never heard of this happening and I would not want to believe it possible but humans are just that, humans. They will often do a lot for the right price. Does anyone think it possible that if a veteran knows or otherwise “gets next to” and NPRC archivist, the person would be willing to alter a record? Now I think, knowing human nature the answer is yes. But I would hope like hell there are checks upon checks in place, for records going out to a research room and those returned for storage.
We all hold the NPRC to a high moral standard when dealing with our records. But knowing the “bendable” nature, in many recent news items, of other federal employees in other agencies the question does give me pause.
I am open to opinions, help or a smack down if I need it.
Don’t know the answers, but you ask some very good questions, Sparks. It will be interesting to discover if others are willing to share any first hand knowledge.
(Why does Sandy Berger come to mind? Surely it is just as easy to add things as to remove things from official records.)
Different story and circumstances … He was reviewing classifies or sensitive documents and was afforded an INAPPROPRIATE courtesy and after a close examination of the inappropriate courtesy he was busted!
He admitted knowing a lie detector test would reveal his crime.
Nope can’t happen.
This is how it works.
You review electronic or actual records under the supervision of an agency.
Changes are only made by Boards of Corrections or other similar means.
BLUF: I can’t slip SS in my record becuase there is a review process for corrections, additions and deletions.
Master Chief…Thank you Sir for answering my questions for me. I do feel better about my concerns now.
My thoughts exactly, Sparks!
“Records? We ain’t got no records. We don’t need no records. I don’t got to show you any stinking records!”
I noticed that records are making a comeback. Don’t think they’ll fit in my CD player but at least I can read the liner notes now…
“Put in for the MoH.”
That sounds way to casual and not befitting the seriousness of such a Recommendation or Nomination for MoH.
It kinda sounds like, “I put in chit to pull a few swabs from the supply locker!”
A couple of more data points:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/vhp/bib/79536
http://pilots-airmen.findthedata.com/l/22570/Robert-Ellsworth-Brooks-Jr
Is the Library of Congress self-reported? (Or did I only imagine reading that somewhere?)
OWB: it’s my understanding that the LOC Veterans History Project (VHP) is indeed based on self-reported accounts, and that LOC makes no attempt to fact-check them.
We’ve seen several accounts previously from the VHP that were at variance with the individual’s official military records, and which appeared to be embellished and/or outright lies.
VHP Frequently asked questions #11
“Does the Veterans History Project verify the stories it receives?
No. The Library of Congress does not verify the accuracy of the accounts described herein by participants in the Veterans History Project. Individual stories are voluntarily submitted to the Veterans History Project and are placed in the Library’s permanent collections as received. These histories are the personal recollections and perspectives of participating individuals and are not intended as a substitute for an official record of the federal government or of military service.”
It looks like he spend a year and a half in Vietnam according to the 2-1. Somehow, in a year and a half he managed to rack up a pretty impressive collection of awards. I’m sure that someone would remember this guy showing up in front of the CG for the 3rd SS award ceremony.
Also, any idea how he could have gotten a Navy GCM with only 3 years of active time in the Navy? I know that the Navy has changed the requirement to 3 good years, but, back in the day it was 4.
Wow. These are the weirdest records I have ever seen.
Here is my try on resolving them.
Time periods:
USN: Jul´63 – Sept´66 Aviation Mech E-3
USNR: Sept´66 – Apr´67 E-4
USAR: May´67 – May´68 WOC (he had BCT in Ft. Polk so I´m sure he also holds an 11B MOS from that time. Ft Polk was transformed into an infantry trng bde during Vietnam. I guess his appointment for becoming a pilot came during that time)
USAR: May´68 – Dec´74 RW Pilot (WO1?)
What I don´t get is this:
When and how was he discharged and what the hell did he do?
What I think is maybe(!) possible:
The CIB and Parachute Badge. CIB mainly because of his BCT and how it was handed out during Vietnam. His Jump Wings because a lot of Pilots, regardless of what they were flying used to get them.
Some or all of his “general” awards. (I mean stuff that everyone got during that period and service)
What I highly doubt:
57 (37) Airmen Medals (wtf?) But I am sure this is a typ-o and it should read Air Medal – that on the other Hand would explain his DFCs (“score card system”)
3 Silver Stars without memory of the events (yeah right)
NCO Proficency Development (why?)
Pathfinder Badge (when, where and why?)
So this guy is either one of the quietest and most humble war heroes of all time, or there went something completly south with his records and his remembrace of his service
Awesome, now the phonys will just submit fake shit and get it on their FOIA. The good part is that IF they do that maybe it will be taken more seriously for falsifying government records then when they are just claiming their bullshit. If this guy actually has all this stuff, he has seen and done some crazy shit. With all those DFCs and Silver and Bronze stars though I feel like you would skyrocket through the ranks rather quickly and get out as much more then a LT, but I could be wrong.