Bruce Allen Pendlay; Phony SF/Ranger
The folks at Green beret Posers Exposed send us their work on this Bruce Allen Pendlay fellow who thinks very highly of his Army career, even though the Army might disagree;
Yep, he thinks that he earned a CIB and that he was in Special Forces;
He also thinks that he deserves a Ranger tab. From his recently scrubbed Facebook page;
That’s mighty impressive since he got all of those qualifications in just four months, by the Army’s count;
It looks like he spent a few months in the Guard and got tossed, then a few years later he tried the active Army with the same results. It looks like he does a bunch of good stuff for veterans, but he could do a better job if he took all of that BS off of his clothing.
It turns out that he was in “special” operations like soap recovery in the prison shower;
ADDED: The forged DD214;
Category: Phony soldiers
Looks like Master Blaster wings on his C. Cap in one picture. That’s impressive in 4 months.
No NDSM?
The NSDM wasn’t authorized for folks serving solely between May 1975 and Aug 1990.
Starting in 1990, it was authorized for both active duty and those in good standing for SELRES units/billets. Prior to that time, it was an active-duty-only award.
I was being a wiseass but didn’t know that about the NDSM. I thought all you had to be was warm and that could be waivered. Next thing you’ll tell me is my Nam Cross of Gallantry isn’t a valor award /s
Next thing you’ll tell me is my Nam Cross of Gallantry isn’t a valor award /s
It is a valor award if it was awarded at regiment/brigade, corps, division, or armed forces level as a personal award for valor and not the ubiquitous unit citation with golden frame.
I’m just sayin’ …..
(yes, I noted your /s tag.)
(^__^)
Close as I got to valor on my part was getting a haircut in F’ing Phu Bai by a Chiêu Hồi NVA barber. But even then, the next trooper in line covered the current recipient locked and loaded.
I was just checking on RVN GC comes w/
Palm
Bronze
Silver
Gold
Looks like each could be awarded at individual level.
But looking at records…w/Palm, I don’t see any difference now, as Gen. Order 8 gives it to anyone who ever set foot in RVN. It’s now a foreign campaign award, similar to VSM. But, I know it was awarded for valor prior to that.
JimW said, “… Order 8 gives it to anyone who ever set foot in RVN. It’s now a foreign campaign award, similar to VSM…”
Slight correction:
“…General Order Number 8 confirmed eligibility for the Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross with Palm and Frame Unit Citation to every military unit of the United States Army which had served under the Military Assistance Command from 1961 to 1974,…”
Here’s a copy of General Orders No. 8, 19 March 1974, Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Unit Citation:
http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/go7408.pdf
Section I, para 3; unit citation with palm awarded to Headquarters United States Army, Vietnam and its subordinate units.
It is a common misconception that everyone received the Cross of Gallantry medal when, in fact, they actually received the unit citation. Awardees of the Cross of Gallantry for valor (especially with Palm!) will have been presented the medal with an RVN set of orders and English translation.
And don’t you have to have been overseas to be a veteran of foreign wars?
Yep. See link below.
VFW Membership
1 Citizen
2 Honorable service
3 Campaign medal
So a dude flying drones and awarded a campaign medal qualifies with never having left the USA. Dosen’t say you have to go overseas.
That’s the way I read it.
JimW: don’t think so. The current campaign and expeditionary medals (Afghan, Iraq, and GWOT Expeditionary) all require physical presence in the specified AOR for 30 days consecutive/60 days nonconsecutive. None of those specified AORs include any part of US territory – so a RPV operator who never left the US shouldn’t qualify for any of those three.
The only “corner case” I can think of would be someone who went TDY to one of those AORs for less than the requisite 30 days consecutive/60 days nonconsecutive. They’d not qualify for the campaign/expeditionary medal – but they’d be in receipt of IDP while in the AOR, and documented receipt of IDP is another way to qualify for VFW membership. But that still means they in fact served overseas, albeit only for a brief period of time.
I have a Kosovo Campaign Medal also which was added to the list you are talking about.
Interesting. Based on his dates and the nature of this guy’s service, he doesn’t appear to qualify for VFW membership, either. So he’s “rockin’ the lie” on that score, too.
http://www.vfw.org/uploadedFiles/VFWorg/Join/sept2012%20ElgibilityFolder2.pdf
I don’t know if your checked Scotty’s page, dude has a pic and states that he’s the VFW’s national Aide-de-Camp for 2014-2015!
Maybe someone needs to drop some coin with the National VFW that this assclown is in their ranks
I’m betting that job is about to go down the tubes.
Dates of service isn’t even a consideration for VFW, Hondo–certain service awards are.
For example, I am a member of the VFW based on my award of NEM and SSBN Patrol Pin. In theory, I could in fact be a member of the VFW and NOT the AmLegion (which does go by dates of service), as well as vice versa.
This guy doesn’t qualify for either.
Actually, for service in Korea the VFW does specify dates and durations. See the link I provided in my 8:16am comment. Follow the link, and look right above the entry for SSBN Deterrent Patrol Insignia (smile).
Documented service in Korea beginning on/after 30 June 1949 with a duration of 30 days consecutive/60 days nonconsecutive qualifies one for VFW membership per their eligibility rules.
I stand corrected, sorta.
After all, it would have been pretty fucking tough to do a SSBN patrol in the 1950’s, considering the George Washington didn’t do her first patrol until November 1960.
And while I do have an Expeditionary Medal, it doesn’t fall under the “specific” dates or operations listed for Navy/Marine Expeditionary Medal but was told that I still qualified based on that as well. Was the Post Commander wrong? Does that mean all the SSN guys are SOL, because they’ll have a NEM for doing a SpecOp, etc., but not a boomer pin?
Just my .02 worth.
NHSparky: just something odd I noticed regarding the VFW’s criteria.
At first glance, you’d think it wouldn’t be necessary at all. Korea rated the AOM Medal from 1945-June 1949; the KSM from mid-1950 to mid-1954; and the KDSM from 1954 to present. All are technically campaign medals. I guess the VFW just didn’t want to leave out anyone whose only service in Korea was either 60+ days nonconsecutive before the Korean War or 30 days consecutive service occurring between 30 June 1949 and
2624 June 1950.Although I can’t speak for the VFW on the issue, what I’ve read of their criteria leads me to believe that any award of the NEM or AFEM is considered qualifying – not just the specific operations listed in their eligibility factsheet.
Hondo you said: “At first glance, you’d think it wouldn’t be necessary at all. Korea rated the AOM Medal from 1945-June 1949; the KSM from mid-1950 to mid-1954; and the KDSM from 1954 to present. All are technically campaign medals. I guess the VFW just didn’t want to leave out anyone whose only service in Korea was either 60+ days nonconsecutive before the Korean War or 30 days consecutive service occurring between 30 June 1949 and 26 June 1950.”
More likely the VFW just hasn’t updated their rules in a while. For almost 50 years from 1954 until (I think) 2002 or 2003 when the KDSM was approved, there was no campaign award for service in Korea (except for the period between about 1968 and 1971 or so when combat awards were authorized for personnel on or near the DMZ.)
The Army had the OSR and I guess the other services had something similar but apart from that there was no ‘campaign award’ for Korea until the KDSM was created.
Actually, from 1966 to 1974 there was a decoration authorized for service performed anywhere in Korea, Korea’s airspace, or surrounding waters – the AFEM. The first part of that era (1966-1969) is sometimes referred to as the “Second Korean War”. It was a very tense time – and saw a substantial number of US casualties.
You could be right in your “not updated” thesis regarding the VFW’s eligibility criteria. However, the VFW eligibility criteria now explicitly calls out the KDSM as one of the medals conferring eligibility, so that muddies the waters somewhat. The KDSM is recent (early 2000s).
My guess would be that the VFW updated their eligibility criteria to add the KDSM about a decade ago, and added the time-based criteria for service in Korea (which is exactly same as the criteria for award the KDSM) for service in Korea at the same time. My guess is that they did this because many people are eligible for the KSDM who don’t have the KDSM listed their DD214 – KDSM eligibility is retroactive back to mid-1954 even though the award didn’t exist until the early 2000s. I further think the VFW decided to go back to 1949 so that “no one who’d served in Korea would be left out”.
We’d have to see a copy of the VFW membership criteria from circa 2000 to determine which is the case.
I am going to toss out a question in this thread because in relates in a minor way to the topic.
Is there a Veterans group that allows membership if you did not serve in a time of war?
I know the AL and the VFW have those requirements.
AmVets takes all military Vets.
I thought the American Legion relaxed their requirements and now all you had to do was serve in the military (or maybe serve on active duty) during a period of conflict in order to qualify.
I’m pretty sure that even prior to 9/11 and GWOT you could get into the AL if you had been stationed in Korea since the end of the Korean War (1954 – present) because the Korean war never officially “ended”, there was just a cease-fire/armistice signed in 1953.
The bottom of this page has the eligibility requirements for the AL.
http://www.legion.org/join
From that link:
“Eligibility Requirements for American Legion Membership
If you are currently on active duty, serving the United States honorably, anywhere in the world, or have served honorably during any of the following eligible war eras, we invite you to become a member of The American Legion. National Guard and Reservists having been Federally activated (including basic training) during these same war eras also meet the eligibility requirements.
•Aug. 2, 1990 to today (Gulf War / War On Terrorism)
•Dec. 20, 1989 to Jan. 31, 1990 (Panama)
•Aug. 24, 1982 to July 31, 1984 (Lebanon / Grenada)
•Feb. 28, 1961 to May 7, 1975 (Vietnam War)
•June 25, 1950 to Jan. 31, 1955 (Korean War)
•Dec. 7, 1941 to Dec. 31, 1946 (World War II)
•April 6, 1917 to Nov. 11, 1918 (World War I)
”
(Emphasis added)
So I was correct, you only have to have served in the military during a period of conflict, you do not have to actually have served in a conflict or been awarded any campaign decorations.
I’m pretty sure this is a departure from their pre-9/11 practice. IIRC most peacetime vets were not eligible for membership in the AL with the narrow exception of those who had served in Korea.
One thing to remember; eligibility is set by Congress, not the AL.
Yeah, I remember back in the Spring of 1999 when I tried to join American Legion Post 217 in Wyandotte, Michigan. They showed me the door.
Your correct on this. You do not have to be in a conflict just have to serve during a conflict. I joined in early 1984. My unit was in Grenada and I was next in line to rotate in when they ended the mission. Since I served during the time period 1982-1984 I qualify to be in the AL. I made sure of this before I joined and started paying my dues. NO, I don’t sit at the bar and tell war stories either except, maybe that one night when Jager Bombs were going off hot and heavy. I found myself starting in on “No Shit, There I Was:
You know, about those dates being eligible for VFW, I have an Armed forces Ex Medal, I believe that makes me eligible also. Am I not correct?
Martinjmpr: pretty sure the AL’s membership requirements have always been “serve anywhere during a period of war”. However, by their definition, most everything in the last 54 years counts – only about 12 years of that period doesn’t meet their definition. (Those who served solely in the late 1950s or late 1980s are out of luck, though.)
As I recall, VFW has always had more restrictive criteria – to join, you actually had to qualify for a Campaign Medal, Expeditionary Medal, or a specified award or badge. And the VFW indeed recognizes service in Korea since some date in 1949 as qualifying service for membership, provided the individual (1) served for 30 days consecutive/60 days nonconsecutive, or (2) was awarded the KSM (Korean War). I don’t believe the AL has such a blanket exception for service in Korea regarding membership qualification, but I could be wrong.
Hondo: You may be right. I could have been confusting the AL with the VFW.
Until the KDSM (Korea Defense Service Medal) was created in the early 2000’s, the only Army award for service in Korea after 1954 was the Overseas Ribbon (I don’t know about the other services.) My recollection is that the VFW would allow veterans who had served in Korea post-1954 on the basis of the award of the overseas ribbon + orders or other documentation showing that it was for service in Korea, but other awards of the OSR did not qualify (for tours in Germany, Panama, Japan, etc.)
Even prior to Desert Storm I believe Korean service was the one exception to the “campaign medal” rule for the VFW. To my knowledge this applied from 1954 (the ending date for the Korean War campaign medals) up through the 1990s.
If true, it is interesting to note that under such rules it would actually be possible for a soldier to qualify for membership in the VFW (which is generally more restrictive in membership) and at the same time, NOT be eligible for membership in the AL (which is generally less restrictive), for example, a soldier who served in Korea in the late 1950’s and who’s active service was from, say 1956 to 1959.
That is correct
Correct, and also true for a number of other periods that the AL doesn’t consider “wartime”. Other examples would be service in Japan from 1946-1949, in Germany during the Berlin Airlift, or in Berlin in 1977-80 or 1985-1988. Each would qualify the individual for the AOM – and thus VWF membership. However, each is entirely outside a period of “wartime” as defined by the AL.
Different organizations, different eligibility rules – and different “corner cases” involving their eligibility rules.
I joined the VFW based on service in Korea in 1972- 1973 and award of the afem. I joined at the national hq and they of course had my 214.
Yes. The AFEM was authorized for service in Korea from mid-1966 thru mid-1974. Anyone awarded the AFEM who meets other eligibility criteria (US citizen/national, honorable service) is eligible for VFW membership based on that award.
Wasn’t the AFEM (and other combat decorations) for the 1966 – 74 period in Korea limited to certain specific units though? I don’t think even the entire 2id qualified, only those who were at certain camps.
Negative. DoD guidance on AFEM for that period and area merely says “Korea”.
http://prhome.defense.gov/Portals/52/Documents/RFM/MPP/OEPM/docs/AFEM%20Approved%20Operations%20-%202013%2009%2023.pdf
As I recall, even ships involved in operations offshore immediately after the USS Pueblo was captured by NK were authorized the AFEM if they stayed on-station for 30 days.
My six years of service were from Oct 72 to Oct 78 (all active duty) and when I got out I was not eligible for the Legion nor the VFW. The Legion cutoff date for Vietnam was at that time in the first half of 1972. At the end of the 1980’s, more than a decade after my discharge, the Vietnam date cutoff was changed to 1975 making the first half of my enlistment eligible for the AL. In July 1975 I was assigned to a SSBN for the rest of my enlistment. In October 2006 the SSBN patrol pin was added to VFW membership criteria making the 2nd half of my service eligible for the VFW more than a quarter of a century after my discharge. Yes I was bitter with those organizations for a long time especially when a local commander had a letter to the editor in the paper calling veterans that did not join those organizations DEADBEATS when they looked upon veterans such as myself as a lower class of people. It has taken time to overcome my anger and I finally did join the American Legion last year to assist the funeral honor guard but I have not joined the VFW. The Legion recognizes only the first 3 years my enlistment while the VFW recognizes only the 6 patrols of a SSBN during the last 3 years of my enlistment.
Since I couldn’t sleep last night, I found this guy on Scotty’s site. Our boy Pendlay is a member of VFW post 3544 out of Kansas. The commanders name is Ed Brake. I don’t know if Pendlay has already been busted by his VFW post, so I. Sent a email to his post. Ed Brakes email is commander66@yahoo.com.
It does appear he does some good things for his community, however by wearing all that bling he flushed it all. What a dumbass!
I believe that AMVETS allows any veteran to join.
As for this Pendlay scumbag………….kick him square in the nuts.
Any time I see somebody in one of those silly ass leather vests with anything related to military service on it, I immediately think bullshit. Now, it’s a given that this guy is a scumbag of the highest order but I have to wonder what in the hell the guys at his VFW post were thinking? A quick look at his phony finery should have been a giant neon sign that reads BULLSHIT! Come on, a Special Forces soldier with all those special skill badges, to include an EOD badge, which is a separate career field that would have given him a much longer time in service and the guy is only an E-5?!?! Who can’t see that this guy is full of shit?
Silly ass vest ? Look at the US VETERANS Motocycle club. All veterans 100% need a Dd214 to join. I guess your higher than a silly ass vest though.
Yes, silly ass vest. Sorry about your butt hurt. See my response below to someone else’s butt hurt.
You mean like Phil Monkress, “Big Dawg” Keeton, et al?
You need to start policing your own.
Different MCs. Phildo and Little Pup were in US Military Vets MC.
There are many people who wear vests with patches, pins and badges that display nothing more than what they earned. Many of them post here. I do not for the very reason you stated, they just look silly to me. I deal with those type of people all the time, usually on two wheels. When these groups begin to clean up their ranks I might have a little respect for them. Some groups seem to verify their members but they are the exception. The vast majority of them are just full of shit.
I feel that way when I see folks running around with EOD in their online poster name.
Sorry about your butt hurt, too.
My name is John W Lewis Jr. You can look me up in AKO if you’d like. I’m an Army civilian and work for the US Army Corps of Engineers as an Ordnance and Explosives Safety Specialist on the Chemical Warfare Design Center side of the house in Huntsville, AL. Prerequisite for the position is to be a graduate of NAVSCOLEOD. I did that back in 96.
Sorry, you got the red ass about a leather vest but don’t call into question my service.
“Any time I see somebody in one of those silly ass leather vests with anything related to military service on it, I immediately think bullshit”
Sounds like you get the red ass when someone turns the tables on you.
Not starting anything; just making an observation.
Not at all. I’ve been laughing the entire time. I find it humorous that people are so pissy about my disdain for a leather vest. When someone alluded to me not being an EOD Tech I put that fire out real quick. With a smile.
Get ready for another shit storm. I don’t like Ford Mustangs. And go…
WTF!?!?
That’s it; we now know you’re a fricken commie!!
What’s wrong with a Rustang?
I must admit, they do look really good in my rear view mirror. Smile.
When was a Mustang not a Mustang?
The 60’s Mustangs that were manufactured for export to be sold in Europe were not allowed to have the Mustang name displayed on them. The fuel cap even had the Ford name, but the Mustang name was blacked out.
And the Mustang statement made me think of something else, another “stolen valor” pet peeve of mine, sure, you can put all kind of badges on the car to make it a show car, but the vin and data plate tell what it really is under all the bling.
Personally I can’t stand a Dodge.
FWIW, I don’t think it’s your disdain for the leather vest that has some folks pissed, but rather the claim that your BS detector goes off anytime you see someone wearing it with the bling – implying you think they’re bullshitting about their service.
At least that’s what *I* took this to mean: Any time I see somebody in one of those silly ass leather vests with anything related to military service on it, I immediately think bullshit.
I wouldn’t wear the vest, but that’s a matter of taste. I just think some people take issue with the implication that they stole valor simply because they wear a vest.
It depends on the circumstances, but I generally avoid anyone wearing bling in public places. Example: old guy in a wheelchair in the lane by the check out at Walmart. Patches, pins, and ribbons from top to bottom. He’d make eye contact with customers as they left, and they’d go over and shake his hand and chat him up and thank him for his service. It was like watching a dog be fawned over, and he’s one I avoided — he appeared to be there for the attention, and I just don’t play that game.
Dave and EODJay, what would you think of me in my vest. I have a big Marine Corps emblem on the back and a 6 inch squdron patch on the front of my vest? Silly or proud of my service? Joe
Joe, I don’t care what you wear. Not one bit. Me personally, I can’t stand the whole vest thing. I’ve seen too many guys that put one on and immediately become someone else. Someone completely different from their once honorable self. I’ve seen men that once held one of the highest security clearances in the military put on a vest, join a club and portray themselves as common thugs while still working in the industry that required said clearance.
Also, there is no denying that a vast majority of the phonies are riding a motorcycle and wearing a vest. Just a quick look through the stolen valor section will show that is true. Hell, there are two listed today.
I am in no way saying that everyone that wears a vest festooned with badges and patches is a bullshit artist but I’ve run in to a whole bunch of them.
And for my last statement on this. I find it troubling that so many people got the ass about me not liking a vest and not the meat of my statement that no one in the VFW post that this clown is involved with didn’t see through his bullshit.
I think you are proud of your service and look silly. That kind of stuff just aint my thing Joe. I don’t have a veteran plate on my car, got one hat that my SU bought years back, no stickers on my car, got some things in my office all of which I did not buy. I know a lot of guys like to wear that stuff. What ever floats your boat.
Personally, I would choose a Z/28 over almost any Mustang, but that’s not to say Ford couldn’t build good cars. It so happens that last week it was announced that the Ford GT-40 Mk II that won Le Mans in 1966, in a top-three finish with two others, is headed off for a full restoration. That was the year Ford vacuumed the doors off Ferrari, and ended a 10-year domination by the Italians. Here’s a link:
http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2015/01/27/the-ford-gt40-mk-ii-that-shouldnt-have-won-le-mans-in-1966-heads-for-restoration/
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This is quite possibly one of the best responses of all time.
I heard from a good source working the investigation that Elaine Ricci, former top executive for FirsTech, was last seen wearing a “Thunderbird MC, Bethesda” club vest. I also heard Palmer Wickre was the founder of said MC. Just thought I’d throw that out there, mostly for Hack’s benefit.
#FreeElaineRicci
Walk the halls of the Richmond, Virginia VA and count the people who are not wearing a vest full of patches and pins. Those not wearing one are actually in the minority.
I wear a “silly ass vest” quite often with my jump wings on it. It also has a PGR patch on the back and I’ve been honored to stand a flag line and be pall bearer at over 50 Missions including standing guard at The Moving Wall twice. Sorry if you don’t like it. I am proud of my service and never claim anything I didn’t earn.
jonp, I’ll cut, copy and paste my response to someone else that didn’t like my comment. Here it is:
Joe, I don’t care what you wear. Not one bit. Me personally, I can’t stand the whole vest thing. I’ve seen too many guys that put one on and immediately become someone else. Someone completely different from their once honorable self. I’ve seen men that once held one of the highest security clearances in the military put on a vest, join a club and portray themselves as common thugs while still working in the industry that required said clearance.
Also, there is no denying that a vast majority of the phonies are riding a motorcycle and wearing a vest. Just a quick look through the stolen valor section will show that is true. Hell, there are two listed today.
I am in no way saying that everyone that wears a vest festooned with badges and patches is a bullshit artist but I’ve run in to a whole bunch of them.
And for my last statement on this. I find it troubling that so many people got the ass about me not liking a vest and not the meat of my statement that no one in the VFW post that this clown is involved with didn’t see through his bullshit.
Is Pendlay the anglicanized spelling of pendejo?
I was wondering if anyone else noticed that. (smile)
Damn, I missed that…..better drink a nice cold Yuengling to make me feel better.
Don’t worry, LT. No one catches everything every time. (smile)
Frito Pendejo, a most excellent lawer. As well schooled in the law as someone else we know who shall remain nameless.
I missed the rap sheet on him before…or maybe Jonn just added it. He was a naughty boy in the 90’s.
Yeah – does make you kinda wonder about why he’s doing so much charity work, possibly including soliciting funds.
I do hope whoever he’s working with/for has sharp accountants – and strong financial controls.
Sock puppeting for Green Thumb: turd.
Lots of legit vets wear those “silly ass” leather vest…..they’re called Patriot Guard Riders.
Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way but I’ve been riding motorcycles for a long time and have never seen the need to wear a leather vest. I find the whole MC thing to be a giant bunch of shit and have never understood the need for charitable or other above board organizations to wear a “cut” either.
Good point I think playing dress up let’s a lot of folks feel like Billy Bad Ass Biker Boy….indeed i’m with you having ridden motorcycles since the age of 8 which means I’ve got about half a century on motorized two wheelers…never wore the leather vest, but I sure as hell like the armored leathers and full face helmet both of which saved my life when the nice lady driving the Chevy Suburban put her right blinker on and turned left….
You musta been in Maryland – worst damn drivers I have ever seen and I have been in I think 44 of the lower 48 for comparison
You obviously haven’t been to Mass. or RI.
Michigan and kentucky are the worst I’ve seen.
Haven’t been to RI, but I’ve been to Boston. I’ve also been thru the DC-Baltimore corridor.
If he’s talking about the parts of MD near Baltimore and/or DC, well, I think he might have a point. But I’ll grant you that Boston’s close if not as bad.
We have the Montana Synchronized Driving Team. Great fun to watch…you just don’t want to be caught in the middle when the maneuvers start. 😉
I’m with you. D.C, Baltimore, No. VA area. Worst drivers I’ve ever been around. Nobody knows what a fucking blinker is.
Are the one’s with the idiot lights on and don’t know how to turn it off!!
Big Horn County, Wyoming. There’s just something about a Niner.
I belong to a club because it is a lot of fun to ride with other people, provided they know how to ride in a pack, plus, as a PGR rider it is an honor to stand for others that cannot stand anymore, welcome them home with a bunch of other Veteran Bikers or just to be there for the families when they see the flag lines at the Cemetery…
How could you possibly find something wrong with that ???
Nobody here has been riding any longer than me, and that, is a fact. That vest serves a utilitarian purpose, see below…
Why does PGR Riders like myself wearing a vest bother you, and why in the fuck does anything I wear bother you in the least ???
Sheesh…
I do not have this problem because I ride in the nude.
Phildostyle!
BRAIN BLEACH!!! WHERE THE &*^$ IS THE BRAIN BLEACH!!!
Pics, or it never happened!
Thunderstixx, I am cutting and pasting my reply to another poster above. I think it will explain a lot. Here goes:
Joe, I don’t care what you wear. Not one bit. Me personally, I can’t stand the whole vest thing. I’ve seen too many guys that put one on and immediately become someone else. Someone completely different from their once honorable self. I’ve seen men that once held one of the highest security clearances in the military put on a vest, join a club and portray themselves as common thugs while still working in the industry that required said clearance.
Also, there is no denying that a vast majority of the phonies are riding a motorcycle and wearing a vest. Just a quick look through the stolen valor section will show that is true. Hell, there are two listed today.
I am in no way saying that everyone that wears a vest festooned with badges and patches is a bullshit artist but I’ve run in to a whole bunch of them.
And for my last statement on this. I find it troubling that so many people got the ass about me not liking a vest and not the meat of my statement that no one in the VFW post that this clown is involved with didn’t see through his bullshit.
I started handing out SF180’s for the people to sign, even the Patriot Guard crowd. Try it, suddenly its like you are the Orkin man in a roach motel.
Dave, membership should be done that way. Make them fill out a SF-180, and make them provisional members until their records are released and reviewed. If they are legit and meet the groups membership standards, then let them in. If not, show them the door.
Start your own club. Come on in, the water is warm !!!
You can call it whatever you want..
Either that or go to a Legion, VFW or AMVETS meeting and propose the rules…
Thunderstixx – The whole organization, from the local post to that National Body, should be onboard with the vetting process. If one post goes with a tougher standard (SF-180) that other local posts (show up with a 241 and some $$$), the posers just find another one that has the lower vetting standard.
I’ve written to the AL National Commander about this a month ago and stated that they should take the lead on this – tighten up the vetting process for membership. As of today, I haven’t see anything from them on what they plan on doing or even thanking me for my letter.
I know my AL Post just went through and did a 100-percent DD-214 check. You wanted to renew your membership (even if, like I am, you’re paid for life) you give the Post a certified copy of your 214.
When I joined the AL, I didn’t pick a specific Post so I’m a “member at large”.
Don’t recall having to prove I was a vet. I think individual Posts have rules about having your 214 on file with them.
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Sadly, from what we’ve seen here – verification and enforcement varies widely from post to post. As I recall, we’ve seen fakers who were post officers in both the VFW and AL.
Or a DD-214 with a DD-215 attached like me, took awhile but they got it straight after about 6 months of waiting.
“…suddenly its like you are the Orkin man in a roach motel.”
*water spew out nose* NOT a good feeling when you’ve got breathing problems due to a bad cough. LMAO!!!
Dave, if you want to run a SF180 om me I will give you all the infro for a FOIA thru Jonn.All I ask is snail mail me a copy I want to see if they got my rack right, I was a solo rider. Sometimes with 2 or 3 buddies. If I was ride again,a 3-wheeled Cam-Am with modified backrest. I will not go thru the (to me) the crap of prosecting etc. to join a MC. Joe PS Did you ever meet or know of a Msgt Spoule? Joe
Joe, I honor a man at his word until he says or does something to dishonor it. Don’t know where you live but you are welcome to come sit with me at a restaurant I own on the river. Sit and watch the bullshit I got to put up with and I will be having to hold you back. Its no bullshit, I have a stack of 180’s behind the counter. I rode since before I could drive a car. Been coast to coast. Even stooped low enough to buy a Wing at one time. (That was a smooth ride) Brought a friend of mine bike back from Pendleton to Lejeune in the dead of winter once. (A friend in need is a pain in the ass)
The name Spoule does not ring bells. It is common for me to remember people when they were a LCpl but moved up the ranks. If he was out of Lejeune, on a MEU, or hang out in places he shouldn’t have been we probably crossed paths.
People tend to remember my wife more than me from those days. (Inside Joke check some earlier posts)
THis is one of the reasons I won’t join any of these organizations. ( That and the Junk mail, I swear the National Guard sold our names to these mailing lists they day we de-mobilized)……)
The bling, it’s always about the bling. Even the legit guys, Why the C*nt caps and all the other Bullshit? We’re not IN the military anymore, we’re PRIOR military. Why not just go with a nice golf shirt and a baseball cap without any pins and patches and doofy crap on it. You don’t need a “uniform” anymore, just a presentable group appearance.
If Veterans Organizations adopted that type of look and dis allowed all of the bling I bet you’d get rid of a bunch of the posers because they wouldn’t want to participate any more.
Indeed you have a point, the ability to win public approval for “pretend” service depends heavily on the bling and a large helping of bullshit stories.
It also provides the entry point for scammers.
No one says you have to wear the hat or put “bling” on it. The traditions of the service organizations, from the preabmle recited at official meetings to the wearing of hats and jackets/”uniforms” were set long before any of us were born. They did so from the very beginning to build camaraderie with those that, like them, had served and to remember where they came from to be in that organization. If you aren’t proud of your service and don’t want others to know, that’s fine, don’t wear the hat and don’t put bling on it.
I have yet to see anyone that disparages the attire, or organization, ever turn down the help those organizations offer and provide.
The difference then was men had honor and wouldn’t pretend to be something they are not. This selfie society that is determined to receive accolades and honors they didn’t earn makes them feel good, so they do it, even if it is a lie and takes from others the recognition they rightly deserve.
“Selfie Society”.
I am going to borrow that one.
Spot on.
I don’t think it has anything to do with not being proud of your service. I think all of us are very proud of our accomplishments in the military. As we should be. I think it starts to go a little over the top when you see guys put all but their 201 file on there cap.
I will qualify this statement by saying Colonel Ola Lee Mize’s headstone says MIZE. That’s it, nothing else.
I understand where you’re coming from. The only military badges I have on my hat are a small US Army pin and my Combat Space Shuttle Door Gunner badge. Everything else is either retention stars (for getting x amount of people to pay their yearly dues) or National Commander pins, etc.
Claims to have been a “Staff Sargent E5” also…
I saw that one… can tell that this clown is real “low speed, high drag”.
Bet the dude was a wide receiver while in state custody… then transferred those “skills” out in the real world into being a rump riding ranger.
Isn’t that an Air Force rank?
Yes indeed. I was an Air Force Staff Sergeant (E-5) before I crossed out of the blue and into the green.
How old is this guy?
He apparently was convicted of escape January 1st, 1900 but he didn’t have to serve that time until 2003-2004….he was on parole for 21 years, meaning he had a 27 year sentence that he received in ’94 which should have kept him locked up until 2021 but he got out early? Am I reading that right? It looks like he was incarcerated as recently as 2006 for attempted escape from prison.
Which is why on Scotty’s page all his “volunteer” work starts in 2007….
The lying is the least of what makes this man a bad guy any crime carrying a 27 year sentence tends to be ugly, especially as the man who stabbed my father in the head only received 36 months….had Pendlay been kept in prison until his time was up none of this happens as shown here…
I think that means that somewhere in all of this is a lesson…hmmm.
Another reader of “The Count of Monte Crisco” by Alexandre Dumbass.
VOV and others – am I reading the prison info right? It looks like he was in from June 1991 to March 2012 (just a little over 20 years). Yet this guy is claiming membership in the VFW and AL from 2008? Kind of hard to make meetings while in the state lockup….
Also, if I were a member of the posts, I’d probably be auditing the books – Bruce liked to bounce checks.
I think he was released in 2006 after that second escape attempt, it appears to be when all his “volunteer” work started…other than escaping he might be a good boy in prison since he’s a whopping 5’7″ and 130 lbs….he might have been released on parole after serving 15 years of that 27 year sentence…
From the Oklahoma government site:
B. For a crime committed on or after July 1, 1998, any person in the custody of the Department of Corrections shall be eligible for consideration for parole who has completed serving one-third (1/3) of the sentence; provided, however, no inmate serving a sentence of life imprisonment without parole shall be eligible to be considered for parole pursuant to this subsection.
http://www.ok.gov/ppb/Parole_Process/Hearing_Process/Eligibility/index.html
meant to post this one…
“A. For a crime committed prior to July 1, 1998, any person in the custody of the Department of Corrections shall be eligible for consideration for parole at the earliest of the following dates:
1) Has completed serving one-third (1/3) of the sentence;
All that training in 4 months and he only made it to buck Sgt(in his mind and on that silly hat)? Fail.
I am betting the deeper one digs with this shitbag, the more shit will turn up.
That mug shot and police bio speaks volumes.
Stolen valor is just the tip of the iceberg with this guy.
Maggot.
Agreed. Very few of these guys are plllars of their communities. I would expect there’s a pattern of deviant, criminal behavior going back to his school days.
27 year sentence for robbery…had to be a bad robbery.
“Robbery by Fear Afcf” – I wonder what went down.
My guess is he didn’t have a weapon. The term SC uses is strong arm robbery. Same end result you just didn’t have a weapon.
It really is bad that the VFW doesn’t vet these guys better than they do.
I’m a PGR Rider and wear a vest proudly there and also when I ride. The reason I wear it is twofold, first, is that it is festooned with places I’ve been, an American flag that says Vet on it and some more patriotic patches. I am proud to wear that vest and if you really feel that nobody should wear them because they are using it to screw somebody out of something, then you might want to take a look at the live and let live clause in the Bill of Rights… Second, I wear it because I have laid my Ultra down once and a couple of other bikes long in the past and found out that that vest is worth at least 2 layers of skin. Same with the leather half gloves I wear summer or winter. I skidded on my hands and only wore down the gloves, my hands were fine.
We can’t all be billy bad asses and if you wear one to be one or to be a poser, then I am in agreement with EOD and VOV.
I see guys here in Houston wearing shorts and flip flops on their bikes…
That, is stupid…
As far as this guy, I am thinking he rides a Honda Rebel, 250… Or maybe a pink Vespa !!!
It doesn’t bother me at all what anybody wears including you. I see lots of assclowns in those vests though and unfortunately one’s opinions are often developed by one’s experiences….lots of wanna be tough guys in the vests acting like jagoffs when they ride together thinking they are all HA tough guys when they are actually fifty year old sad sacks who can’t lift their own weight….those are the guys I’m talking about and I suspect you’ve met a few of them.
Having said that I agree that lots of great people wear them too, when I consider your words I believe I meant to state vests are kind of like spandex I think.
When it works, it really works and when it doesn’t, well you know what I mean.
Veritas Omnia Vincit…Thank you. I too don’t care what a person chooses to wear. However when their shit is an obvious fuck up of ridiculous decorations, often conflicting with each other, I shake my head and will not speak to them, except if approached then I speak in ridicule and am quickly left alone. Unfortunately the VSOs in our country have done a piss poor job over the years of vetting and policing their own. I speak of them as national organizations and with a broad brush. I do realize there are local posts and chapters who have done a great job of taking the trash out. A cut below them are the notorious Veteran Motorcycle Clubs. Those come as you are and as you want to be in your imagination outfits and ride around getting waves and glad hands from unknowing folks. They are the worst.
I hate the vested warriors outside of Walmart hawking for money for this or that. Sometimes they have the official VSO banner displayed and other times it’s a “sound good name for a sound good cause” outfit when I have no doubt the highlight of their day is when they tear down the tables, head to IHOP to fill their fat lard asses and divvy up the spoils of the day’s venture.
Well, considering I have a serious heart failure and had it not been for the Milwaukee VA and the absolutely dedicated staff there (Plus one of the most beautiful women I have ever met) I wouldn’t be here… And, I doubt I could lift my own weight anymore either…
BUT, I am fully qualified as a fatass, lardass or whatever kind of fatass you want to call me !!!
I earned it, I am happy the way I am !!! That fatassery is exactly why I ride an Ultra !!! Those Softails just aren’t soft tailed enough for this fatass !!!
Thunderstixx..Please understand no offense was meant or intended. Especially to posters here. I trust you guys are who you are and however you choose to display what you’ve earned is fine with me. It is those, in any organization, who display what they haven’t earned who bother me. If I offended, I ask your forgiveness.
I was just at the Milwaukee VA, I was treated well, seems the dude that did my past test got fired. Good riddance cause he was an asshole anyhow. 7th floor. Attitudes by the employees at the VA is improved. I was totally amazed at the change. My local clinic in GB has friendly people too. VA is improving! They’ve come along way since the 70’s. Glad to hear you had a good experience too.
“Sometimes they have the official VSO banner displayed and other times it’s a “sound good name for a sound good cause” outfit when I have no doubt the highlight of their day is when they tear down the tables, head to IHOP to fill their fat lard asses and divvy up the spoils of the day’s venture.”
Yeah; that’s why the American Legion Riders in my State, of which my fat ass is a proud member, raised and donated over $86k last year to the American Legion Legacy Scholarship Fund. If you’re wondering what that is, go to the Legion website and look it up.
BTW, for anyone that gives a shit; I ride a Ducati, so we can dispose of the Harley myth.
Old Trooper. As I wrote above to Thunderstixx, I intended no offense to you or anyone here. When I see a known, legitimate VSO with their banner up at a store entrance I usually stop to talk and offer a donation. It is the ones who are off brand and out for themselves I have an issue with and in my area they are plentiful. I am sorry to say. I have seen legitimate local, Veteran MCs who partner with local VSOs to do great work in the community and raise much needed funds for veterans. But in my area the VSO in question has looked into the MC and knows their charter, their history and whether or not they are truly legitimate. You know as well as I that the VSOs and MCs have been remiss in vetting all members. That is just a sad fact. But to you and any verteran here who rides, belongs to a VSO or MC I have no issue. Again if I offended, it was unintentional and due to the poor wording of my thoughts. For that I ask your forgiveness.
Nothing to forgive, Sparks. I’m just a little cranky today (too much fiber in my diet, if you know what I mean). I understand that there are Veteran MCs that don’t do their due diligence, along with certain VSO local Posts. We have seen it time and again. However, I think that it will get better as more of these phony sonsabitches get caught out. I know in my Post, they want to see your DD214 up front and then the membership votes on accepting new members at our monthly meetings. Granted, not all are like that, but if they are shamed by bad press into doing it squared away, then it is a victory for everyone.
It sounds like we can put pressure on the Commander of that VFW Post and if their membership catches wind of it, then it might jolt them into revisiting their local procedures for vetting new members, although there are national standards for it, some don’t take the time or make the effort to do it right.
I wear a vest with the CVMA and post my experiences on my vest proudly. We use erb’s and dd214’s for entrance to verify. It ain’t perfcet and people slip through. One of our members was exposed as a phony right here recently, so it does happen. I have been riding forever, both MC’s HOG groups, and Christian clubs, so I know all kinds of people ride, and were all sorts of vests, sport bikes or others. It’s not dissimilar to people wearing sports shirts to their games, or Golf clothes to their hobbies. People are only wearing appropriate attire for their chosen activities. Some choose to lie about their flair. They are stupid. Some don’t, and you just disagree with their outfit. That’s fine. I like to play dress up when I ride and show off my Army flair, I rightly and honestly earned. What’s wrong with that?
VOV, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
I happen to know this POS & he doesn’t even have a bike , they repossessed it!
Each of us has our own pet peeves about these POS posers and what they lay claim to. For some it is the Purple Heart which is an even tie for me, at number one in the offensive category. Equal to this for me is the CIB. They all love a CIB, sometimes 2nd and even, if they are complete morons 3rd awards. Speaking for myself, for some reason it has always meant the most to me and was the most sentimental, when I was honored to be awarded it. (I say I was honored, not because of my doings, bravery or anything such as that. I was honored to have received the same award as my father from WWII and other family members. Two, still in a European and Pacific American Cemetery. Honored to share with far greater and braver men than I would ever hope to be, an award for being an “Infantryman”. A simple, go where told, do as told and get the job done soldier.) There was something about being a simple grunt and if no other awards or decorations were achieved and believe me my rack is as small as they come, it will always be more than enough for this old man.
So when I see one of these ass holes sporting a CIB, mainly because they think due to its perceived prevalence, no one questions it and they hold it to be common and pedestrian among awards. For me though, it’s the first thing on one of these ass hole’s outfits I would grab for to snatch away from them. Many far better men than me, were KIA early in their combat tours, only to receive their CIB and a Purple Heart. Another reason it is near and dear to me.
All I have said is in no way meant to take away from the bravery, performance of duty and sacrifice of Marines, Sailors and Airmen who fought and died as well. The CIB is just unique to my Army experience.
Word.
Everyone wants a CIB but no one wants to bother with that whole infantry thing first.
Sparks,
I’m PISSED
I worked my ASS off and never got a CIB…..
Oh, wait….
I was a cargo puke in the Air Force.
Nevermind.
Carry On.
:D:D
Sheesh … I wanted a CIB real bad, but all I got was a “CIB with Blank Adapter” [i.e., EIB]. My father has his CIB from Vietnam, my grandfather from the Bulge.
They just didn’t have any combat when I was in.
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^me crying^
Hmmm that “emoji” didn’t work out!
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lemme try again
(if I fail, try typing this out: paren, semi-colon, period; semi-colon, end-paren.0
Always heard EIB was harder to get than the CIB
It is.
This helicopter driver tried to get the CIB in Vietnam. Good story, no CIB.
http://www.48ahc.org/html/tins2.htm
The best line out of that whole story was: “By the middle of the second day I was ready to trade my fake Rolex and sunglasses for even a single can of Ham and MF’s if there had been any around”.
Now that’s one hungry pilot.
Sparks, I share your sentiment about the CIB even though the orders awarding it to me and the other members of my platoon were for actions in a search and destroy operation on a day when the closest shots fired were about three kliks from us at another platoon in our company. That’s the way it works, anyone performing the role of combat infantryman becomes eligible when any part of their unit becomes engaged with the enemy.
Although I later earned that blue badge in several firefights and one major battle at a place called Trung Luong, theoretically, I could have been medically evacuated for illness or accidental injury, whatever, after that first event and would still be eligible in the eyes of the Army to wear the CIB without ever having heard or fired a shot in anger.
That’s just the way it works or at least back then. It looks like it may have changed because Wikipedia criteria state:
For award of the CIB a Soldier must meet the following three requirements:
Be an infantryman satisfactorily performing infantry duties.
Be assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.
ACTIVELY ENGAGE the enemy in ground combat.
Hondo???
Well, Poe, I wasn’t infantry. But since you asked: from what I’ve seen, there’s the reg . . . and there’s reality.
Working from memory here; I may still have a softcopy of the Vietnam-era Army award reg – I did at one time – but I don’t have time to look for it at present. Regardless: I’m pretty sure from previous research that the regulatory CIB criteria during Vietnam were essentially the same as those of today – e.g., personal participation in ground combat as an infantryman while assigned to an infantry unit of brigade or smaller size. However, the reality is that I’ve seen some CIB orders from Vietnam that seemed to list every swinging dingle-dangle assigned to the unit. And I’ve been told that the same apparently happened in at least a few units in the Gulf War and in Iraq, too.
My take is that some units ended up “cutting corners” to “help” their people by getting them the CIB. I don’t think most units did, but a few . . . yeah.
No, crap like that shouldn’t happen. But my experience over the years is that it does.
Just my $0.02 worth, based on being around the Army for a fair amount of time.
Sparks……..could not agree with you more Concerning the CIB. It’s my most cherished reminder of my short time in the Army. It means more to me than my crew member wings or anything else I recieved during that short period in my life. Which by the way wasn’t much.
Well said
(this will start people throwing things at me)
3/17 Air Cav: did you ever notice that Army Aviation crew member wings are bigger than Airborne wings?
And the pilots have big watches.
SJ…….apparently, so do crew members. When I left the bush and started flying, I wnt straight to our little PX and bought the biggest gold colored Bulova I could find. I still have that watch to this day!
Again you gotta love the flyboys, right?
Nbcguy54…..never thought of it but your right. Gotta love the flyboys, right? Smile
I hate that new name Big Army gave to the Aircraft Crewmember’s Badge. Phhttt, Army Aviation Badge. People who never flew a day in their lives (except maybe in AIT), were never listed on the Available for Flight Duty chart in the Operations shack, were never assigned to a Flight Platoon, and still are able to wear the same badge with no discernible distinction between individuals.
Just another example of “Everybody who shows up gets a trophy or a blue ribbon”.
Yeah but they’ll never get Senior or Master wings. Gotta have hours and/or years on flight status.
Yes, but IMO awarding wings for merely completing an MOS producing school degrades the badge.
Hell, Big Army may as well start awarding an EIB to all 11B/C’s,an EFMB to all 91/68 medics, or a Driver’s and Mechanics Badge to any of the grease pit monkeys upon graduation from AIT/OSUT. I’m sure that would go over well in the respective communities.
Those wings need to be earned through flight time and not handed out as some type of a door prize.
But when they put on their dress uniforms and no Air Medals are present in the ribbon rack, it’s pretty obvious who’s who.
Even though I’m guilty of being one of those who got my wings graduating AIT (first MOS was 67N), I agree. I think in the big scheme of things, most of us were able to work our ways out of the hanger and onto an aircraft or two and finally “earn” our wings. What used to get me were the Cobra and Apache guys running around in flight suits and holding “crewchief” slots when there was no way that those guys were getting into the air with their birds except by hanging on to the skids (or wheels).
But hey, that’s the way it was and at least I got my $150 a month. Later in my career, reporting in to a new aviation unit as the NBC NCO sporting those wings had decent fringe benefits. Managed to do that twice (4/11 ACR in Fulda and D Co 4th Avn at Carson).
Yeah, I know that’s the way it is/was. But it gives me something to bitch about in my old age.
$150.00 flight pay a month? Geez, when I was on flight status we only drew $55.00 a month.
But I reckon I would never trade war time flying for peacetime flying. During combat it was 10 hours of flying for every hour of maintenance as for peacetime it was 10 hours of bullshit inspections and maintenance for every hour of flying. So yeah, I’m kinda glad the Army gave me a different job after we closed out of Viet Nam.
I wonder if he likes sucking toes like another Oklahoma phony POS that kept popping up like a bad rash?
To all readers on this thread. I posted comments above regarding VSOs and in particular Veteran MCs. In my poorly thought out and written comments I am sure now I offended some here. Please understand it was not my intention to do so. I consider every person here to be a brother or sister in arms. I tried to distinguish in my words, between legitimate organizations and clubs and those which leave a lot to be desired in the realm of legitimacy. I think upon reflection, rereading my posts and reading some of the responses, that I did offend some. For this, I apologize sincerely and hope it will be accepted. Above all else, I do not wish to put a wedge or rift between me and any member here. I hope I at least wrote this post well and as intended.
At least you didn’t pick on NBC NCOs. Nobody likes us anyway.
Its because you guys have gas.
You sound like my wife…
You guys have the best job in the Army. My old NBC NCO did nothing and nobody knew where he was or what he actually did. And it baffled me because he was always super stressed and pissed all the time. On the rare occasion he was spotted he was always carrying a clipboard with nothing on it.
Guys like that made my job hell. Always had to start from scratch when I got to a unit. Had more than a few Commanders surprised when they actually saw what we were supposed to do.
Oh I bet. You would’ve had your hands full with this guy. The most frustrating part with him is that he was never around when we needed to sign things out. He gave us dumb grunts some entertainment from time to time. It was kind of like Where’s Waldo. He was a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Good times.
Being NBC in garrison was totally opposite of doing it in the field. Little bit of NBC equipment maintenance, vehicle PMCS, some record keeping, issuing and fitting masks and setting up training is really all there was to do when not in the field. I used to grab every “additional duty” I could when I got to a unit-REUP NCO, R&U, legal, ALSE (when working AVN), whatever I could get. Two main reasons: it kept me busy and working with the troops, and kept me in view of the unit leadership for when I needed support filling teams and getting other crap done. It helped the NCOER a little bit too.
Too many other NBC folks didn’t figure that out and always ended up being the shitbags.
Kinda sounds like nbcguy54 was like most of us: got our orders and did the best that we could to live up to what was expected and exceed when possible. Got our 214 and moved on.
Whole lot of specialties that are required in a Brigade, etc., that are invisible REMF’s ..until they are not there. Like Cookie with the Mermite of SOS on a cold ass DZ at Bragg. Like Snuffy that was supposed to bring PRC-25 batteries.
Truck drivers were considered REMF’s in my era yet in the new order, they take a huge amount of casulties.
Yes, invisible REMF’s like that damn night baker. Come morning chow and there aren’t any doughnuts or cinnamon rolls in the mess hall line, that’s when SHIT GETS REAL!!!
Sparks, the only thing you can do to offend me is not posting at all. I enjoy your posts. Most of them are better than mine. Semper Fi.
Sparks, and everyone else here….
I can’t be offended by your words unless you call me a fucking liar…we are all gonna have opinions and they are never going to be the same.
No matter how my responses come off everyone should be aware of the deep respect I have for all of you and your opinions and I absolutely love being able to say something and have my ass handed to me if it’s appropriate.
I post elsewhere but a lot of sites are echo chambers of like minded thought, that’s certainly not the case here. There is a commonality of experience with respect to service to country but a diversity of opinion on a wide range of topics. I thank all of you for that.
Echo chambers are really, really, boring I prefer the heated exchange of diversity tempered with respect and I thank all of you for that, and I absolutely thank Mr. Lilyea for letting a cranky old jackass like me post here and share my thoughts.
I would like to order beers all around…maybe at a TAH reunion sometime.
According to his history of assignments, he was only on active duty for 39 days. Another hero that didn’t make it through basic training.
Looks like he enlisted without telling anyone he was a yard bird. I’ll bet he got kicked out when they finished his background check and ran his finger prints. Looks like his criminal career is a lot longer. Must like going to jail, judging by his rap sheet. Seems to like those close, really close relations with the cornhole crowd.
He left Arkansas City, KS in 1985 his senior year of high school. He says there was a screw up and he was forced to finish school in kentucky and join the National Guard, they got rid of him, then he tried the Army made it 4 months. He went to jail for hot checks, he then walked away form the low security prison, then started robbing quick trip stores, got caught and attempted to flee custody in the middle of his trial. That got him 10 years, he got into several other fights in prison and got another 10 years.
it gets better… Ed Brake of the Ark City VFW was made aware of Bruce’s bullshit. He said that it didn’t matter as long as he was a warm body and willing to serve. Now that is some real BULLSHIT!
They enabled him to be a poser!
Given that, it sure looks like we need to “pull the thread” up the VFW chain-of-command here. Does anyone know (1) what KS VFW District the Arkansas City post falls under, and (2) have contact for that District’s Commander and/or Vice-Commander?
This is why I stay away from those groups. They are overloaded with this kind of crap now, but because I didn’t go to ‘the Nam’ (not a nurse), I wasn’t eligible.
They can stuff it.
He still has the prison weightlifter’s build, I see. Of course, there’s not much to do in prison except lift weights, play some basketball, and blow the lower tier.
I bet this shitbag’s VFW is scrambling about now.
Another Santorum-sniffing dingleberry on a buck-toothed inbred Swamp Donkey’s ass!! That reminds me of a bling-vested character I met during the closing ceremony of a mobile GWOT Memorial a few months ago. He was old enough to be a Vietnam Vet and had plenty of “War bling” on his vest. He claimed to be a Vietnam Vet, but as soon as I asked him the typical questions, “When were you there, what Unit were you there with?” were met with the reply “It’s been so long, it’s hard to remember” while he looked at the ground. I’m an OEF Vet and I was there to say “Hi” to a few buddies I lost over there as soon as I found their names. I can tell anyone the Units I’ve served with overseas, the names of many I served with, the dates, etcetera, and many other legit Overseas vets can say the same. I wasn’t in a “Bust-the-bullshitter” mode, like I said, I was there to say “Hi” to my lost Buddies. If it weren’t for that, I would have embarrassed the shit, piss, and snot out of him in front of God and everyone!!
Proud…….I had a similar situation this past vet day. 1st one I ever gone to. Anyway I broke out my Air Cav Stetson and am wearing my old fatigue jacket which has a Distressed CIB and a distressed Air Crew wings. I ran into a guy who was wearing a leather vest with all kinds of bling. CIB ect. This guy avoids me like the plague. Like you I wasn’t in the mood to bust his chops. But I could tell things were not quite right with this guy.
Looks like a funeral honors badge on his VFW hat. That sucks having a rat like this do funeral duty for service men and women. That is disgusting. Someone should punch him in the throat, and stomp on his head!!! I hope the VFW gives him the boot soon.
I’ve read through all these posts now. I have a few things to say.
Vests are fine if they’re fleece with sparkly sequins for winter. Otherwise, they’re doublets and should only be worn at Renaissance Faires, preferably with a chemise that won’t quite stay up. That way, the guys at the beer booth will fill the pint higher.
Green Thumb claims he rides bikes in the nude, but hasn’t said a word about naked Thursdays cooking.
Most of these people who dress up in pins and vests and junk are the kind that would show up at Star Trek cons in Starfleet uniforms, or dressed like Klingons, if they thought they could get away with it. But it’s like Worf said, you never see an old fat Klingon.
Try to imagine even one of them in the Captain America spandex muscle suit. Then have a couple stiff drinks to recover from your fright.
If I’m going wear bling and a squadron patch, it will be to a sci-fi con and it will all be for stuff that exists only in my overheated imagination, like the Dragon Wars.
That’s these old farts should do, but they’re afraid they’ll look sily.
And we all know who the biggest attention whores are right now, don’t we? Yeah. We do.
Last but not least, I have a Ford. I’ve had two different Chevies, a Probe (gag me), an Acura and a Toyota. Ford Escape has been the best. That is all.
Dear Ex-PH2,
1) Leather doublets are fine they tend to be 3 to 6 inches longer than MC vests. And Have flared shoulders.
2) Naked motorcycle riding should only be attempted by professionals
DO NOT try this at home.
3) I have made a few dollars here and there making things for Klingons, also, Orcs, Trolls, Elves, Templar Knights, Confederate privates, Halo Troopers,A Roman centurion, Steam punk Captians, and a couple of Anime Hero’s, I have yet to do a superhero and don’t want to, the details are a bit to exacting and let’s be honest, most people don’t have the body to carry it off.
4) I am also kicking around the idea of putting together an entirely made up uniform of made up bling, unfortunately the con and larp season kicks off in a month or so and I am already starting to get emails and messages for stuff so I may get busy,
5) I am also an old fart, ( turn 50 this summer), I have worn some of the suits I’ve made to support a couple of local larps and cons and re enactment events but I prefer to be “behind the scenes” getting everyone else squared away. ( They have also conned me into doing props, lights, sound, etc,) 😉
6) All of the attention whores can be found on Facebook and Twitter, I hear that You Tube, Twitter, and Facebook are all going to merge into an internet mega company and call themselves YouTwitFace.com
7) I have owned Fords, Chevy’s, Dodges, Toytas, Pontiacs, and Nissans as well as Harleys and Honda motorcycles. All have their merits and their issues
I have no idea why I commented on all of this.
😀
Dear propsguy –
1) I’ve worked behind the scenes at my rink’s ice shows on props and scenery. It was fun. I was Mama G in ‘The Nutcracker’ once.
2) That’s the lady with all the kids under her skirt. That was fun, too.
4) My entirely made-up gear comes from a fabric store’s patterrs and ribbons and trims departments, and is also practical for wearing on a hike in the bush with a camera, hunting dragons.
5) I enjoy attending RenFaires as a wench and cons as a serving member of my invention, United Space Fleet. Some day, I’ll do a book signing at them.
6) I, too, am an old fart, and enjoy every minute of it.
I once had an Austin Healy 3000 Mk III. it was one cool car.
Thank you for your feedback.
Back to work on Volume II.
I was just talking crap about the military bikers on the other story not policing themselves. This is why, 9 years after retirement, I have still not joined any organization beyond the Marine Corps Tankers Association. I would join the VFW in a minute, but I have no desire to join an organization that does not properly vet their members, and is riddled with poser turds like this.
Please contact me @ this address. The VFW is a fine organization and helps many. I was in the Army so I won’t hold it against you that you were a Marine…heh heh.
1 2 3 and there it goes Facebook Page is GONE ..
MSGRetired…Yep yesterday it was all bling and bravado. Today it’s locked up tighter than a water proof duck’s ass.
Or Don Shipley’s submarine.
They should make him get that CIB punched into his forehead by everyone one at his local VFW who has one
I spent 2 tours in Korea. The only combat I seen was with hookers and other G.I.’s. I am now the Post Commander of our post. I consider it an honor to be here. I am the commander of the firing squad (honor guard) that honors fallen comrades also. It makes me proud to do what I can do to honor our fallen comrades.
His VFW Post Commander says that he resigned from the VFW yesterday.
Good news travels fast.
How long before he joins the Dutch Rudder Gang?
Could this be our Hero ? Rumor has it he got Plugged. Probably self inflicted and another Felony Charge for a Felon in possession of a firearm.
http://ksn.com/2015/01/31/arkansas-city-man-found-with-gunshot-wound-near-winfield/
It was him.. false police report and having a firearm being a felon !!
Hmm. Methinks the guy has some ‘splainin’ to do . . . .
Great Article. Thanks for the info. Does anyone know where I can find a blank “2012 NARA SF 180” to fill out?