The “drownding” of Matthis Chiroux

| November 1, 2008

Yeah, I know it’s spelled “drowning”, but the illiterate imbecile with the microphone in this video calls it “drownding” not once but a fist full of times. But here, let me explain what you’re about to see. Matthis Chiroux, the pussy who didn’t want to take pictures in Iraq, is trying to convince us that waterboarding is torture in front of the United Nations. He’s there with his friends from World Can’t Wait which was, according to Discover the Networks;

Founded in June 2005 by Charles Clark Kissinger, a longtime leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party, World Can’t Wait (WCW) is a direct action movement seeking to organize “people living in the United States to take responsibility to stop the whole disastrous course led by the Bush administration.” The organization asserts that removing President Bush from office “will be like removing a forty-pound tumor from your gut.” WCW vows “to send Bush, Cheney and the rest of those fascists packing. … After that, there are people in ‘World Can’t Wait’ who are working for everything from reforming the Democratic party, to building a 3rd party, to revolution.”

And that Charles Clark Kissinger that founded WCW;

Kissinger, who supported Mao Zedong’s Communist regime in China, continues to enjoy strong support from the Maoist Internationalist Movement (MIM), which, in its own words, “upholds the revolutionary communist ideology of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism” and views the Chinese Cultural Revolution as “the farthest advance of communism in human history.” MIM seeks to achieve its ends “by building public opinion to seize power through armed struggle” and full-fledged “revolution [in] North America.”

A devoted backer of Iran’s Islamic revolution, Kissinger in 1979 traveled to Iran when Ayatollah Khomeni seized power.

So Chiroux is keeping some pretty high-speed company these days.I wonder what their mission statement will be after Tuesday. I hope they target me.

But anyway, in the video he pretends to be an innocent honorably discharged veteran (that’s quite a theatrical stretch for him, since he’s a deserter with no honorable discharge) who’s unjustly restrained and waterboarded by agents of the Evil Bush Regime(TM). Notice that he’s not restrained – his hands are behind him but not bound and yet when he endures the “torture” of water boarding, he doesn’t flail about as an observer might expect someone to do if he was truly being tortured. Hmmmm.

We’ve been assured by DOJ lawyers that waterboarding has been used only twice since the war against terror began but these freaks make it look like it’s a daily occurrance. And like the Evil Bush Regime(TM) has been using it on errant Army Journalists who don’t report for their deployment. Well, anyway, here’s the video;

Matthis Chiroux was just a cowardly deserter six months ago, now he’s a big time commie hanging out with unrepentent commies. I guess that’s kind of indicative where the whole anti-war movement is going regardless of who is the President in February. You’ve got the DC contingent of IVAW partying with pro-Castro Medea Benjamin and the Code Pink crones and now Matthis Chiroux hanging with Maoists in New York City.

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Army Sergeant

In the great country of America, we count people as innocent until proven guilty by a court of law.

You may hate Matthis Chiroux. You may want to spit in his eye. That’s your personal right. But until he is charged by an Army court or his discharge is changed by the Department of the Army, whatever crimes you may feel he has committed, he is still an honorably discharged veteran. He had a discharge. It was honorable. Maybe you’re right and it will be changed. But the Army hasn’t done it yet. If you have a problem with that, I would advise you to take it up with the Department of the Army.

Just helping out, in case you want to get your facts straight.

Jonn wrote: No, if he were discharged from his eight years of service, they wouldn’t have recalled him. He may have been discharged from active duty, but he wasn’t discharged from his IRR obligation. You’ve been in long enough to know EXACTLY what I’ve been talking about and you’re being purposely obtuse.

I guess you have nothing to say about him hanging out with certified commies.

ADDED: Since you’re so interested in straight facts, let’s disclose that you stuck around until after I answered above and you didn’t dispute the fact that Chiroux hasn’t been discharged from his obligation.

streetsweeper

Careful, Jonn. Sarge has claimed she suffers from ‘ptsd’like the others at IVAW. 😉

ArmySergeant

Jonn: I don’t think I was on this post. However, yes, he was not discharged from his 8-year obligation, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t an ‘honorably discharged veteran’. There are a lot of other four- or five- year vets looking for work right now who are billing themselves as honorably discharged vets-are you going to pick on them too? The man has an honorable discharge until the Army decides to change it. It’s not a lie. He’s not screaming “I was honorably discharged from my full service obligation!”

Also, streetsweeper, yes, I do have PTSD, as diagnosed by the Army. Just like a lot of other soldiers. I don’t ask for any fucking special treatment because of it, and I think it’s really low for you to bring it out as an attack.

Jonn wrote: Like I said, you’re being obtuse. He hasn’t been discharged, honorably or otherwise, because he still has an obligation. I’m not picking on anyone – I’m keeping the discussion honest.

Kath

Jonn, have to agree with you on this one. The IVAW people are like listening to children — uh-uh, you’re wrong, I’m right. And when you point out, no, here’s what’s happening, then you get deflected to something else or they don’t understand the question, or you’re picking on them. It’s literally tiresome.

Frankly Opinionated

I have an Honorable Discharge, and another one issued later when I completed another term of service. The second one has no bearing on the first, and nothing that I would have done or not done during the second term would have changed the first. That the dipshit has one honorable discharge merely shows that he is an opportunist. He had no problem until his service interfered with his other wishes. He and Army Sergeant are of the cut that I thank GOD that I didn’t serve with. It seems that a few military persons have forgotten that they are in the service of their country. Their personal lives revolve around that, not any other way. If they don’t like the military, they do not belong there. Or….”Just Suck it up.”
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Raoul

[Jonn: I don’t think I was on this post. However, yes, he was not discharged from his 8-year obligation, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t an ‘honorably discharged veteran’.]

Let’s do some alignment to make it REALLY, REALLY clear:

1. he was not discharged from his 8-year obligation
2. that doesn’t mean he wasn’t an ‘honorably discharged veteran’

People make jokes about “military intelligence” and A/S, you’re not helping.

ArmySergeant

Raoul:

The difficulty here is one of terminology. The Army issues Honorable Discharges that are not full discharge-of-service. Hell, I even have three of them myself from my reenlistments, because whenever you re-enlist, you get a little certificate discharging you for the day before your reenlistment ceremony. Technically, I could say that /I/ am an “Honorably Discharged Veteran”, as I hold in my files three Honorable Discharges from the Army. To be honest, I’m not quite sure what happens when you get discharged from your entire service obligation, if you get a super shiny Extra Honorable Discharge certificate or what.

That has nothing to do with the people who say Chiroux hasn’t completed his full service requirement. No, he hasn’t-he’s obligated for 8 years, and that time is not up. So he may not have discharged his full responsibility to the Army yet, but that doesn’t make him any less an Honorably Discharged Veteran under the first standard.

Technically, I’m not even sure if Chiroux is officially a deserter and whether or not he’s been dropped from the rolls. The fact that he wasn’t arrested by the police for that suggests to me that he may not in fact be.

Also, Raoul, I’m /first/ to make those jokes about military intelligence. I know the shortcomings of my branch, but that doesn’t make this any less a stupid thing to nitpick over.

Raoul

A/S,

Nitpick?

Am I wrong for laughing when Geoff “Search and Avoid” Millard beats his chest about being a “Combat” vet?

ArmySergeant

Raoul,

No, I’m not saying that. There’s a difference between being a combat vet and not being a combat vet, though admittedly the lines are really blurred in this war.

I’m just saying that when there are so many other things to talk about, picking on whether or not someone’s first Honorable Discharge should or should not count and whether it was bad language when Chiroux described himself as honorably discharged or not…just seems tiring.

Jonn wrote: Yeah, I know. Expecting someone to be honest is so tiring.

Thus Spake Ortner

I just watched a video of Chiroux referring to his 5 years of service. Remind me again AS how many years one enlists for if you would….

Even if we add in his 6 days of heroic service on his tour of Afghanistan, he comes up short by about 182.5 more deployments….

Raoul Deming

A/S,

With a straight face, Millard wants to be recognized as a “combat” vet, yet he talks about parking Humvees in a flied and sending kids to let al-Qaeda know “We’re not going to bother you, so you shouldn’t bother us”.

And the angry left says Bush went into the TANG to avoid combat and he’s Millard advocating it.

You’ll just have to excuse my lack of understanding of “context” and “nueance” on that one.

Raoul Deming

TSO,

I figured out that cadence Millard was singing out as they marched to the pony ride…

“Hut, Ho, Hey, NEXT SLIDE…”
“Hut, Ho, Hey, NEXT SLIDE…”
“Hut, Ho, Hey, NEXT SLIDE…”
“We’re Gonna Take a Pony Ride”

ArmySergeant

TSO:

8 years potentially inactive, 4,5, or 6 active, I believe, though it’s been a while since I considered initial-entry stuff.

TD

Notice the “waterboarding” video was made by Elaine Brower. She’s on the Steering Committee of World Can’t Wait, as well as a number of other Leftwing groups.

I’ve encountered her many, many times on the streets.

Ironically, she also has a son who is faithfully serving in the Marines in Iraq.

http://elainebrower.com/?page_id=2

dan

i can’t recall how i stumbled across this but, in light of new information, i found this part pretty funny…

“We’ve been assured by DOJ lawyers that waterboarding has been used only twice since the war against terror began but these freaks make it look like it’s a daily occurrance.”

it appears that, at least for a couple of detainees, it MORE than a daily occurrence.

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