That didn’t take long
Didn’t former Lieutenant Dan Choi, the fellow for whom his sexual preferences supersedes his service to his country, just enlist in the Army as soon as Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell was lifted briefly? Well, it didn’t take long for Private Choi to get himself in hot water again;
The Associated Press reports;
Park Police say 13 people were arrested after handcuffing themselves to the White House fence to protest the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy on homosexuals.
Yeah, this ban is looking like a better idea every minute.
Thanks to Sporkmaster for the link.
Category: Military issues
What a dumbass and a disgrace.
Thanks, AFSister, saved me the trouble of describing that asshat.
Choi is a disgrace to the uniform and should get a BDC after spending 10 years hard labor at Leavenworth.
Chew-Toi should get bounced just for that little stunt…great way to end your career dipshit…
If he keeps getting these charges, it won’t matter if DADT is totally repealed or not- AR 601-210 will not allow his dumb ass to re-up anyway.
If he truly wanted to serve, he’d set aside his BS and would have served. If he truly wants to serve, he’ll set aside his BS and let things play out.
Next time he tries to enlist, it won’t be his sexual preference that keeps him out but his hair brained ideas on how to act in front of a national audience.
Had Choi lobbied his Congressman to get them to repeal DADT, I might have had some sympathy for him and the cause.
What a shitbag!
If he just enlisted and is a private, why is he wearing LT rank? I guess they can add impersonating an officer to the charges.
Those police officers are working way too hard.
All they needed to do was secure that section of fence to the bumper of one of their SUVs — then simply drive to the station.
Much quicker.
The difference between the choi-boi-toi, and the other gays in the service is that he is demanding to be treated differently.
In my opinion, if the courts repeal the ban, then straight soldiers are no longer going to be the equals of their gay counterparts. As it stands now, they are and the bigger picture would be that sexual preferences are of little importance until you make it okay. Then you’ll see the real trouble.
That asshole is using this policy to grandstand and frankly, it pisses me off. If he wanted to serve, DADT wouldn’t matter one lick. Just as it doesn’t to all those who have served before and done what they were supposed to.
Very true, Defend. If he wanted to serve, then he would have kept his yapper shut. He is definitely a drama queen.
@ DefendUSA:
“If he wanted to serve, DADT wouldn’t matter one lick.”
True. But he doesn’t “just” want to serve. He wants to serve and tell everyone that he likes boys. I mean, REALLY likes boys.
Choi doesn’t want to be “treated just like everyone else”. Everyone else can’t protest in uniform. Choi wants to get into the military and make his statement from within the ranks.
This is where the argument against DADT gets kind of convoluted. When you point out that homosexuals would cause problems in a military that showers together, lives together, and sometimes spoons together for warmth, they argue that there are already homosexuals in the military, they just aren’t open about it. True. But if there are already homosexuals in the military, then it becomes problematic to state that “gays can’t serve”. Yes, they can serve. They just can’t tell their battle buddy that they think he’s cute. If DADT is repealed, I have no doubt that there will be copious EO training and that soldiers will be disciplined for any comment that is disapproving toward homosexuality, even if it is their religious belief. This is the same thing they do to people who don’t like affirmative action or the detrimental effects of women in the armed forces. Shut the hell up. If you don’t like it, then don’t reenlist, and in the mean time, shut the hell up. And what happens if people really do take the military up on its invitation to get out if they don’t like it? The military has the proper authority to tell people to shut up. I believe that they use this authority in the wrong way, usually to gag people who don’t believe PC bullshit. But they do have that authority. Homosexuals have no problem with the military telling people to shut up about their religious beliefs, but they do think it’s somehow a violation of their constitutional rights to be told they have to shut up about the hot guy they met at the gay bar last weekend. Well, serving in the military is not a right, but don’t tell them that. They have a RIGHT to serve in the military, as well as a RIGHT to tell everyone that they love anal sex, particuraly on the receiving end. What I mean to say is, it’s not just their “right” to serve, but their “right” to say what they want at the same time. They don’t have to pretend that they aren’t homosexuals… Read more »
I am trying to get back into the military. I am hoping that DADT survives, but it won’t disaude me from joining if the policy bites the dust.
When I served the first time, I was told to shut up even when I saw people get promoted for no other reason than that they satisfy numerous affirmative action requirements. I was told to shut up when I saw women who couldn’t lift the heavy equipment that their MOS required them to use. I was told to shut up when I saw single moms skip out on field training and deployments because they had a kid at home. I was told to shut up when blacks made racist remarks about whites and no one did anything. I was told to shut up when love traingles wreaked havoc in my company. I was told to shut up when nineteen year old female privates got pregnant just to get out of going to Korea, Afghanistan, or the Balkans. I was told to shut up when pregnant females pissed hot for speed.
I didn’t like being told to shut up, but I dealt with it for four years.
Still, I can’t speak for everyone. If we lose even one percent of the Armed Forces because people don’t want to shut up, that will be a much larger number than we’ve lost to DADT. It will likely be much larger than one percent.
DefendUSA:
“If he wanted to serve, DADT wouldn’t matter one lick. Just as it doesn’t to all those who have served before and done what they were supposed to.”
My thoughts exactly. Frankly, I think this guy is a waste of time.
#11, 12, 13. Venting through writing is a good thing, seriously.
Next time this retard pulls this stunt, would someone PLEASE just walk up and start poking him with a cattle prod?
Better Yet, if it’s winter, slap some cuffs on him that he doesn’t have the keys for, cut his clothes off, and pour ice water on him (maker sure to add salt, it brings the liquid temp down to about 28 degrees.) Make sure the cops take their time getting there.
Bring the cattle prod, too.
Chuck, I like your idea. But wouldn’t this streamline the process?
Just electrify the fence.
Ben…
Serving is a privilege, not a right. Get that straight. You don’t get a say, not really. Quit whining about what you dealt with. Nobody cares. If you were stupid enough to be quiet about slackers or not to question the actions of those in leadership positions which you found unsavory, then *you* own it.
It doesn’t sound too much like you wanted to be there. Why would you go back?
“If you were stupid enough to be quiet about slackers or not to question the actions of those in leadership positions which you found unsavory, then *you* own it.”
That’s because it’s “racist” and “sexist” to do so. And if there’s one thing the military doesn’t tolerate, it’s racism or sexism. If you had spoken up, you would have been disciplined too. That’s a fight you can’t win, especially when you’re a young enlisted guy like I was.
I can’t wait to see what sort of things we’ll be forced to tolerate in silence when homosexuals become the victim group du jour.
“Nobody cares.”
Why would you say the “nobody cares”? Why can’t you just speak for yourself? Just say “I don’t care.” You can’t say with certainty that “nobody” cares. In fact, YOU cared enough to comment.
“It doesn’t sound too much like you wanted to be there.”
You don’t know that. I wanted to be there. I didn’t want to be there with people who don’t pull their own weight.
“Why would you go back?”
Complicated question. Everyone’s decision to join the military is complex, involving numerous factors.
Am I whining now? I guess I should just shut up. That’s what you want, isn’t it?
If you were stupid enough to be quiet about slackers or not to question the actions of those in leadership positions which you found unsavory, then *you* own it.
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I tend to see Ben’s side on this. If he liked serving, but was disgusted with the political correctness infecting the military and knew that speaking up about it would threaten his military career, what was he supposed to do?
I didn’t read anything of what he said as “whining”, but rather as voicing valid concerns about the political correctness of the military that is ruining it from within, as well as ruining the experience for people such as Ben.
Now, some will say “well, that’s how the military is and you deal with it”. Well, at some point, someone has to say “no, this is NOT how the military should be“. But I can’t say that I would have done anything differently than Ben if I had his experience. Afterall, I would be there to serve my country, not to go on a political campaign to change the military. But just because the “that’s the way it is”, does not mean that’s the way it should be.
The military is NOT perfect and has plenty of problems. I’m simply amazed it functions as well as it does despite all its problems. That’s a testament to the overall strength of the institution and the character of the men and women involved.
One comment on the pic of the Choi-boi-toi, they’re pulling him the wrong way, they should have grabbed him by the legs and dragged his ass away by the legs.
Upon repeal of DADT, what happens to the first NCO that tells a soldier, “if the Army wanted you to have a boyfriend, it would have issued you one”?
Agreeing with Michael. Look to Haasan if you want a lesson in political correctness. 🙁
I don’t understand how does Choi gets away with doing that in uniform.
@Ben (#18), yes, you should shut up.
UpNorth–face down, of course. Over gravel.
Hey just so you know, most of the 1st Bn,69th Infantry guys are laughing their Balls off at the former “Excess PL”. That picture has been made into demotivational posters and is in every orderly room.
At least he is out of uniform; that black belt is soooo 2008.
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ben doesn’t like his self imposed DADT about stuff he could have spoken up about. No leadership what so ever, better to have you outside. In the meantime gay servicemembers with real leadership leave because they can’t act like everyone else does and have a real life or if they dare fall in love and get caught having a life they get booted because people like Ben don’t like them.
Why is it straight people are allowed to have relationships outside the military but gay people aren’t?
This has been nagging at me for a while, but I had hesitated to write about it. @Ben #11,12,13,18 If I remember correctly from what I have read thus far at TAH, you have posted a number of comments on more than one post regarding DADT, all of which finally boiled down to you spewing forth your deep-rooted bitterness, anger and resentment towards blacks and women, and homosexuals serving in the military. I had said that venting through writing is a good thing (#14), however, at some point you have to come to terms with those feelings and opinions which you have expressed here. You said nothing and did nothing about the issues that you had at the time, and you can do nothing about them now, except let them fester. My observations from what you have written are as follows: (a) yes, you encountered low calibre behaviour in certain individuals; (b) the individuals that you came into contact with may not be representative of the entire groups which they form a part of, but you have judged them as such; (c) prior to entering the military you probably had pre-conceived notions of and/or biases against blacks, women and homosexuals, and upon entering military service, you became hyper-focused on the behaviours of certain individuals which provided a convenient reason to denigrate them ALL, as a whole; (d) you didn’t like the idea of “them” being in the military and you still don’t; and (e) regardless of your personal biases, and your sweeping generalizations based on these biases, shit (pardon my language) happened around you that was undeniably unacceptable. That being said, is it helping you or anyone else to continue letting it eat away at you? If you are bigoted, racist, sexist or homophobic, that is entirely your prerogative, but as with any human being, I much prefer that it not be so. However, I question someone who is these things, but does not believe they are or cannot see themselves as such. Debra #23: I thought you might have more to say than that. Was actually hoping someone else… Read more »
@Spockgirl, you made your points very well. I’ve been trying to keep my comments more abbreviated due to the numerous complaints when I attempt to explain what I think (normally misunderstood here anyway)…I have my own time constraints and priorities, as well. Anyway, on DADT, I don’t feel strongly against allowing gays to serve openly in the military, but I do have some reservations that are grounded in some of my experience with certain things which lead me most of all to be concerned about young 18 year old guys right out of high school being potentially preyed upon by older gay men in the military. Of course, this can occur under DADT as well, but, remembering some of my unfortunate experiences as a young 18 year old female straight out of high school in an Army that had only just started to mainstream its women into the same Army as the guys (i.e., from the Women’s Army Corps to the Regular Army with the men), I’m not so sure it’s a good idea to move into these things quickly without first thinking through some of the potential ramifications and consequences and how to possibly prevent or avert them. Well, that’s a huge subject, not something that can be adequately explored here. Regarding my terse comment to Ben, that stemmed in large part from a comment he left on my blog (when it was still up) one time in which, to my recollection, he called me a poseur. That tells me right off that that he is quick to judge people without having the facts. So I don’t even care what he thinks; he should keep his mouth shut because he lacks understanding and cares more about expressing his own view, even though he may stifle it, than he does truth and reality. Besides that, what about all those Army females who get pregnant? Yes, this is a pretty bad idea and way to go, but do all those girls get pregnant all by themselves? Hmm… Yes, Matthis and Debra Sweet’s figures are inflated, not to mention that neither of… Read more »
Thanks Debra. I have more in depth thoughts on a number of issues here, but do not feel it my place to comment on a lot of them, as I only have a bird’s eye view of most, and my opinions won’t really add much flavour.