From the other end of the spectrum
Bobby Whittenberg is doing his best to undermine the IVAW from his end of the political spectrum.
Matthis expressed his support for Whittenberg and mentioned his desire to leave IVAW as well. Unfortunately, my ninja spy wasn’t fast enough to screen cap it – so you can believe me or not. I know it’s not likely Matthis will leave his latest abused girlfriend, the IVAW. He’s just butthurt because someone has been questioning his behavior – and he’s threatening to leave. The fact that he took his comment down shows all of the finger wagging is having an effect on him.
I wonder if the IVAW will ban Whittenberg for life like they did to Casey Porter?
Anyone who wants to greet Matthis, I guess he’ll be at Fort Hood soon;
Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Phony soldiers, Usual Suspects
But Bridget, when you are talking about the Spanish Civil War in the 30s I do not understand how that can be seen that way considering that there was intense fighting for over a decade.
She’s not advocating for socialism or communism, but instead for fascism with Franco as the ideal mechanism to make this networking thing work. Not sure that’s the best example of having almost half a century of brutal civil war and fascism to only realize that America isn’t all that bad. But once she provides her statistics gleaned from her police killing basis, I can consider her argument in more depth.
what police killing basis. I mentioned nothing about killing police. So I’m a fascist now, hilarious. The CNT/FAI provided networking to get the needs of the people meant, that is all that I was referring to in regards to that. If you look at the stats the police kill far more people that the other way around. Also 70% of americans are not police while only 30% are. About 9,500 people nationally were killed by police during the years 1980 to 2005–an average of nearly one fatal shooting per day. You don’t see people just walking up and murking cops because they have a gun or look suspicious do you?
That’s the most ridiculous reply and there are so many holes and misleading statements that this has truly lost any sense of academic discussion.
“I said that I didn’t say anything about violence, that is that I don’t put it as a means of getting what needs to happen done. I however do not consider self-defense a violent act”
Aaaaaaaaaaand there it is. Self-created loophole for violence. Hint: Just because you don’t consider something a violent act, doesn’t mean it isn’t. I’d also be interested in your definition of self-defense.
“I think that we should just have a massive overthrow the masses of people far outnumber those in power and just walk in and take it over.”
What a thoughtful and perfectly planned “revolution”. I don’t see how you could fail.
“Also 70% of americans are not police while only 30% are.”
I’ll go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt, and guess you were drunk when you posted that. Because there definitely are not 90,000,000 police in the U.S. You’re off by about 89 million.
Easily Amused, since you support Bobby I assume you have the ability to contact him? If that is the case I’d like to ask you to point him in the direction of my question I posted earlier on this site:
“Bobby, I know you do not care for me much, and that we do not see eye to eye on much of anything. But I have to ask you why you stand with a guy like Matthis? When I call him a rapist it’s not something I am just calling him to dig at him. It is something that has seriously upset me when I first read his letter. In fact, as stated, it was a key reason I left IVAW. You refer to yourself as a “radical feminist”, which is fine, but then how can you stand with a rapist? Furthermore, one who does not take full responsibility for his actions even though he confessed to being of sound mind at the time by conveying that he thought she might be a victim of human trafficking and knew she did not want it. He could have easily walked back into that room and faked it; no one was watching. This is not an attack on you, but I can not understand why anyone would give such a person a slide, especially when one calls him self a radical feminist
Can you answer this for me?”
Warren, you need to stop acting like a fucking spoiled kid. What would you think about somebody messing with your wife? I’m sure that even here there are people who would disagree with what you’re doing. She was just having a discussion and you had to pull some stalker bullshit. Coward.
Sporkmaster
I posted a photo of you and her, and I made it that she cannot remove that photo. She opened up about everyone on this site being cowards behind screen names. I wanted to call her on it and clearly she is not willing to follow those rules. Also several of us have as polite questions that she has decided to ignore. So in short if you cannot back up your ideas that you post online, more so when you start of by insulting the members of the site, you had better be able to back it up.
like I stated before you people have no life besides sitting on here for hours finding ways to harass people!
Sporkmaster
I decided to take the time and see how honest she was when she was talking about people hiding behind the screennames. Also if you do a search for my username on this site you will find photos of me and my family. I have public photos in Livejournal , Facebook, YouTube, Army Strong Stories and last but not least MySpace.
So yep I am totally busted on you finding one of my many hidden photos of me that I hid in the open. Great job.
What are these polite questions that you speak of? I have not insulted or attacked any of you personally as you collectively as a website have done to many people.
Sporkmaster
Then explain your opening lines.
About screennames and hiding behind them.
What she was coming against was your tactics of rummaging through people’s laundry. Speaking of unanswered questions, how would you feel about someone messing with your wife in the same way? You put links on her posts that she did not. You had to have done at least some digging to find out who she was in the first place. She wasn’t posting long ascii pics or some shit, just bringing up some issues. Is this not a public forum?
But I have to ask again how am I messing with your wife when I posted a public photo of here on the internet when it directly related to a conversation we were having. As hard for you to believe I was given the link.
Yes because I found those links by searching the internet and also the face that I can see the IP address of the computer she was using to know that you both were using the same computer and live near Kingman Arizona.
It also helped out that her hometown was in the same area that I narrowed down to but never posted that info. Who is it you ask? Consider that your homework assignment when Bridget is writing about me on her Facebook account.
There was a certain person who I recently discovered had a habit of feeding stuff to this blog. Donnie Brunswick. He called me out of the blue one day, sounding down and out. Ask him how I treated him, despite the differences in our political views. I didn’t have a bad thing to say about him until I found out. I offered him shoulder to lean on, he lied to me in order to try to get information from me. Cowardly bullshit.
Actually I have no clue who that person is let alone had any contact with him. but considering that the ISO is taking over the IVAW and people like Matthis driving people away. With that in mind there is no shortage of people willing to tell is what is really going on in IVAW.
The point is, look at the differences in how we behave. I don’t care what’s going on in IVAW. I have moved on. And I don’t stalk people who I don’t agree with. I try to ignore unless there is an issue worth addressing.
Sporkmaster: Yea that is why you were posted as supporters of Under the Hood in September of this year?
It matters when people in the IVAW are making comments about like this.
“It is good that wounded U.S. soldiers receive excellent medical care in Germany,” says Shepherd, “but it should not be forgotten that civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan who are injured by U.S. troops receive no such help.”
Except that I know this is no true because I have personally given aid to people of Iraq. But he was “there” for 6 months on the FOB is is seen as Gossip. That is one of many that I can think of that is why IVAW is looked into the way it is.
See what I mean, Warren. I’ve never had to actually do this before. Happy hunting.
the admins of this site have nothing better to do than pass the buck. Civility is not an option for you people. Too bad you cant pull your heads out of your asses you might actually have a few friends and learn something every once in a while.
Sporkmaster
Yet you have still not learned that I can still know who you are regardless of what name you use.
Easily Amused wrote:
“What are these polite questions that you speak of?”
Scott wrote:
“But if you believe in non-violence, and you roundly eschew taking any part in “the system” then really, what is left? ”
“When I said I was genuinely interested, I wasn’t lying. I truly want to know, since Bobby has decried the passivity and laziness of IVAW, and likewise declared to stand for non-violence, what form is his “revolution” going to take?”
“what new and radical-but-non-violent tactics are you planning to utilize from outside the system you seek to bring down?”
“For the love of god, answer the question: What. Is. Your. Plan?
I want concrete examples of a method you think is going to effect change that hasn’t already been tried. I don’t want to hear anymore vague bullshit about “revolution” or “direct action” or “radical resistance” or any combination thereof.”
“I’d also be interested in your definition of self-defense.”
Easily Amused wrote:
“I think that we should just have a massive overthrow the masses of people far outnumber those in power and just walk in and take it over.”
Is that SERIOUSLY the best you can do?? I’ll consider that a tacit admission that you have no idea what you are going to do, no rational plan whatsoever, and thus, will probably end up resorting to the same irrelevant tactics Bobby decries on the part of IVAW.
I asked Bobby these same questions, and he was silent.
Can ANYONE in your movement answer simple questions? For all the whining that goes on about American apathy, you don’t seem very interested in illustrating the rationale of your ideology. You just expect people to take your word that you’re right? That’s a pretty shitty way to gain a following.
Let me make this crystal clear, if I haven’t already: I’m not asking rhetorically. I want to know your plan, because you certainly MUST have one, if you purport to know better than those responsible for the status quo. Right?
I’m just going to keep posting this until I get answer:
Easily Amused, since you support Bobby I assume you have the ability to contact him? If that is the case I’d like to ask you to point him in the direction of my question I posted earlier on this site:
“Bobby, I know you do not care for me much, and that we do not see eye to eye on much of anything. But I have to ask you why you stand with a guy like Matthis? When I call him a rapist it’s not something I am just calling him to dig at him. It is something that has seriously upset me when I first read his letter. In fact, as stated, it was a key reason I left IVAW. You refer to yourself as a “radical feminist”, which is fine, but then how can you stand with a rapist? Furthermore, one who does not take full responsibility for his actions even though he confessed to being of sound mind at the time by conveying that he thought she might be a victim of human trafficking and knew she did not want it. He could have easily walked back into that room and faked it; no one was watching. This is not an attack on you, but I can not understand why anyone would give such a person a slide, especially when one calls him self a radical feminist
Can you answer this for me?”
The ISO has abandoned the anti-war movement since Obama was elected. They focus on hot button issues like the lgbtq struggle, immigration, and the siege of gaza. If you weren’t too busy ragging on some veterans trying to stop their brothers and sisters from being killed for no good reason you would know this instead of continually insinuating that IVAW is an ISO front. They tried that and it didn’t work out too well. You also ignore the other socialist groups working to influence the path of IVAW, especially the RCP or The World Can’t Wait. The RCP tried to take over VVAW in the 70s and your picture of Matthis is when he was tabling for the world can’t wait not IVAW.
Of course you would have to pay attention to what is actually happening instead of continually over analyzing every move that IVAW as an organization or individual IVAW members make in order to understand the above comment.
Another socialist group is ANSWER and they started their own front: March Forward but still had members attempt to run for the IVAW board.
F the ISO, you should read more of my blog before you pretend to preach to me about the anti-war movement. I don’t think there is a single point that you mentioned that I haven’t already addressed here over the last four years.
“Of course you would have to pay attention to what is actually happening instead of continually over analyzing every move that IVAW as an organization or individual IVAW members make”
One doesn’t preclude the other slick. You make it sound like IVAW is the only or best option for helping veterans, which is laughable. The recent actions of the group and the people they allow to publicly represent them make it abundantly clear that they are beyond hope of redemption. For god’s sake, they have 9/11 truthers and people who claim PTSD from not deploying featured on their blog; this is supposed to attract a following of veterans?
The ISO talk is just tongue-in-cheek anyhow; I don’t really give a fuck which group is playing puppet master, and I’m well aware of the antics of WCW (Elaine Brower is to WCW what Matthis is to IVAW; both successfully present their group as an irrelevant band of fringe dwellers. Elaine Brower is a screeching hypocritical cunt who calls the troops baby killers, but her own Marine son, a hero).
“The ISO has abandoned the anti-war movement since Obama was elected. They focus on hot button issues like the lgbtq struggle, immigration, and the siege of gaza.”
Hmm, that mirrors the platform IVAW just recently adopted at their annual convention. What a coincidence…