Nah, don’t worry about Marc Hall
Last month I wrote about newly-minted IVAW member Marc Hall who was “stop lossed” in the Age of Obama at Fort Stewart, GA so retaliated by writing a violent rap song – which in turn got him tossed in the hoosegow by the Army. The Stars and Stripes reprints the violent verses;
“[Expletive] you colonels, captains, E-7 and above
You think you so much bigger than I am? …
I’m gonna round them up all eventually, easily, walk right up peacefully
And surprise them all, yes, yes, y’all, up against the wall, turn around
I got a [expletive] magazine with 30 rounds, on a three-round burst, ready to fire down
Still against the wall, I grab my M-4, spray and watch all the bodies hit the floor
I bet you never stop-loss nobody no more.”
Pretty explicit about his intentions. The Army explains why they locked him up;
“The chain of command has a legal obligation to the citizens of the United States to investigate and deal fairly with SPC Hall’s alleged misconduct,” Kevin Larson, a spokesman at Fort Stewart, said in an e-mail. “Anything less would be irresponsible to our citizens and soldiers.”
Of course they have a legal obligation to protect soldiers and their families from crack pots. But Hall’s lawyer, James Klimaski, doesn’t see it that way;
Hall’s song is just a song and should not be taken literally, the lawyer said.
“Listen to rap songs,” Klimaski said. “I mean there are a whole bunch of rap songs talking about killing people all the time. Nobody gets killed from them.”
Klimaski also downplayed the allegations that Hall made additional threats.
“The problem with threats is they can’t be contingent,” he said. “ ‘I will do this if …’ Well that’s not a threat because if ‘if’ doesn’t happen, then there’s no threat. Like, let’s say, ‘I’m going to shoot the battalion commander if I’m deployed.’ Well he’s not been deployed, so he’s not going to shoot the battalion commander, so there’s no threat.”
Klimaski also said the definition of rampage means to run around like a crazy person. “That’s not a threat,” he said.
Yeah, all you hep cats get with it – rap is cool. It’s just art and no one ever gets killed because of it. Well, except all of those rappers and people who attend rap concerts and rap promoters. And Hall won’t shoot his battalion commander if the commander doesn’t send him Afghanistan – problem solved. Of course, that wouldn’t have any long term effect on the military, will it?
“Maj. Hasan didn’t run around and say, ‘Hey, I’m going to blow people away at the hospital, or the infirmary today.’ Or the bomber going into Detroit says, ‘Oh, I should tell everyone I’m on this plane and blow the plane up,’” he said.
So people who make wild-assed statements can now be ignored and we start worrying about people who DON’T communicate threats. That sounds feasible.
I thought about making a threat here on the life of James Klimaski, but then I realized, he might not think of threats against his life the same way he thinks about threats against the lives of military people.
But then again, if I make a threat against his life, that would make me less likely to actually do anything against him…this is all so confusing. We should hire James Branum to take Klimaski to court and make Klimaski give us all classes on how not to be perceived as a threat to other people.
Category: Iraq Veterans Against the War, Legal, Military issues, Phony soldiers, United Nations
I beg to differ with the attorney, Hasan and the undies bomber did make statements over the internet. Granted they didn’t make specific statements about what targets they would go after, however they were very boisterous in their jihadi talk over the internet.
Is Klimaski one of those National Lawyers Guild guys?
Casey, I don’t see any connection with NLG, but he’s a flake and he’s been a flake for a while. He claims he was an Army officer during Vietnam. Before the war, he defended environmentalist activists who got their asses beat by the DC Police back when they had guts. But then the war started and he took up resisters’ causes. He also was a member of the gaggle of lawyers in the case of Kuscinich v. Bush. He also represented the Baucus 13 earlier this year.
The force is strong in this one. No Leftist cause too whacky for the ambulance chasing Klimaski.
He needs to stay locked up.
Lock him up.
Look, if he had written this and aimed it at Obama, is there even a question here that he’d be in da’ Big House?
Nope. Lock him up for an extended period of time.
I’m sure he has the other lawyer, who shall remain nameless, as backup on this case.
Keep him in the stockade and allow him out to do police call over in front of the Post HQ twice a day with a tweezers.
Just another reminder that when you get right down to it, the real problem with the world is lawyers.
Damn, don’t they have GI parties anymore? Nothing like a few bars of soap and a few towels to shape up a shitbag.
Klimaski rapped, he gonna get his due.
Courts-martial comin’ man I pity da fool.
He thinks he’s kewl, but he ain’t no winner.
All he’s gonna get now is a Big Chicken Dinner.
Yea, rap be music, but you tellin’ me,
that dis white boy raps an’ his name is ‘Ski?
His lyrics suck and jus’ ain’t hot
He be a white-boy version of Jennifer Scott.
Peace out, bro.
Word.
All he’s gonna get now is a Big Chicken Dinner.
effin’ classic…..just friggin classic!!!!
Tim
Word to your mutha!!!
Old Tanker:
They should let him spend sometime at Leavenworth before they serve him that “Big Chicken Dinner.”
Yo, OT..
You’ll love this, then…
http://wesclark.com/jw/rap.html
Uh…Jonn, regarding your statement, “Before the war, he [Klimaski] defended environmentalist activists who got their asses beat by the DC Police back when they had guts,” surely it was not your intention to be advocating the crime of assault and battery, by the police, or anyone.
Police brutality and repression is not courage or guts. Rather, it is inconsistent with the principles that should be upheld by those who support and defend freedom. If you don’t believe in that, the fact still remains that assault and battery by police is unlawful and subject to prosecution.
He comunicated a threat to the chain of command, seems a clear UCMJ violation to me. Whats the debate? The dumbass should have been a tad more subtle, now he’s probably gonna spend quality time in Kansas.
I’m not avoiding commenting on this, I have to register for classes today. Hopefully more later.
So, people who make threats don’t mean it, so they aren’t a threat.
Also, people who don’t make threats cannot be treated as threats because that would violate their civil liberties; after all you cannot punish a thought or opinion right?
So now we have people who do and do not make threats are NOT threats.
Great! That means we are safe right?
Ahh, but wait, we have to have an enemy right. We know that there are still haters out there right?
So, if people who do and do not make threats are not threats I propose the following:
People who see those people who make “threats” and people who do not make threats but seem like a threat do to other actions and behaviors are the ACTAUL threat.
It all makes sense now!
Think about it.
Who sees and “enemy”?
-Soldiers
-Veterans
-tea baggers (aka people who attended the TEA parties)
-law enforcement agencies.
Wait I have seen that list before…I just don’t know where…HMMM, maybe I should go and check the DHS website and see if they are tracking this.
David Brenner used to tell a joke about laying in the bed during summer and not being able to sleep because he could hear a mosquito buzzing in the room. He kept worrying he would get bitten, but then he remembered that only the male Mosquitos buzz and they don’t bite. He finished the joke with “So when you’re laying in the dark and hear a mosquito buzzing, you can relax and just go to sleep.
But if you hear nothing….”
Debra I did just a little checking on the guy who got beaten in D.C. The guy is a freaking fruit loop. I think that we are all in support of peaceful protest, but not violent action. How many protests of the World Bank and the IMF don’t get violent because of the protesters?
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I was at the April 2000 protest in DC – those folks were itchin’ for a fight with cops. Back then, DC cops didn’t stand there and take abuse like they do now. In 2008, cops were actually assaulted by protesters and didn’t arrest any of them. That’s the legacy of Chief Ramsey.
There are limits to free speech and shoving cops is outside those limits.