Impeachment Inquiry to begin on President Trump
Impeachment proceedings play into President Trump’s hands. (Gary Varvel)
The mainstream media is focused on President Trump’s conversation with Ukraine’s president. The President requested that Ukraine investigate Joe Biden and his son. Prior to this, President Trump had ordered a freeze to military aid.
The Democrats are arguing that this was done as leverage. President Trump argued that he did this on the account that the Europeans weren’t doing their share with aiding Ukraine.
From the Associated Press:
Trump has sought to implicate Biden and his son in the kind of corruption that has long plagued Ukraine. Hunter Biden served on the board of a Ukrainian gas company at the same time his father was leading the Obama administration’s diplomatic dealings with Kyiv. Though the timing raised concerns among anti-corruption advocates, there has been no evidence of wrongdoing by either the former vice president or his son.
Biden said Congress must use its full constitutional authority to investigate Trump’s actions and if the president doesn’t cooperate he’ll leave lawmakers “with no choice but to initiate impeachment.” If that happens, Biden said, it will be a tragedy of Trump’s own making.
The media is in a feeding frenzy over this. However, they don’t seem to be as enthusiastic reporting on then Vice President Biden threatening Ukraine with the withholding of aid money if a prosecutor investigating his son wasn’t fired.
Nancy Pelosi initially was opposed to this. However, growing support among the Democrats, and this new turn of events, made her more favorable to initiating impeachment proceedings.
You could read more on Associated Press.
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Biden bragged to TV cameras about extorting the Ukrainian government into firing the prosecutor investigating his spawn by threatening to withhold billions in foreign aid…and they say there’s no evidence of wrongdoing? They keep talking about rain, but it’s yellow and smells like piss.
Corruption, it’s okay when Democrats do it…
Incommmmiiinnnnnngggg!
… swwooooossssshhhhh – LARS!
Dammit tb, beat me to it. Since when are American Presidents forbidden from engaging other Heads of State in negotiations?
This despite the fact no one has seen the transcripts yet. San Fran Nan has caved to “The Squad” of young bloods and others of the loony left, for fear of losing her position as Speaker of the House.
This will hurt come November 2020, and nothing hurts more than self-inflicted wounds.
I will wait to see what the whistleblower and transcript say. It’s one thing to negotiate, it’s another to use the Office of the President to get a foreign nation to investigate a political rival, for political purposes. (Even if you believe there’s something to the allegations against Biden and/or his son, this is something the DOJ takes up, not POTUS, and certainly not eight times in a call while withholding promised military aid.)
Let’s see what tomorrow brings on this one. At the very least, it’s President Trump being naive or foolish, though if there’s ultimately nothing there, Pelosi and the Democrats will look the fool too.
We’re not so far apart on this LC. I will mention how anti-Trumpers used faked foreign intell in an attempt to upset his election. Not that that’s an excuse- still waiting on this report too.
Fascinating to see if this is one way or not.
Biden straight up confessed on tape, fully aware he was boasting of it. If that gets a pass, how can anyone get excited about it elsewhere?
On a forum elsewhere, the accusation is “he benefited politically from his actions.
Duh. Show me any president ever who did not. That is kinda the whole game of politics, no? And if not, the prior admin is in seriously deep kimchee. Congress lives by that self-benefit stuff.
The whole froth-mouth over-the top batshit-crazy routine is in large part “don’t you dare look at the other side!” It is also perhaps panic.
But I have to wonder, setup? Prior “gonna release” events did happen, and made the Donks look dumb. If Trump does release the transcript, it is a nothingburger, or something that will be “read to fit”. The back-splash would be -epic-.
And that “whistleblower” is still an unknown, right? They hung their whole game on a hearsay accusation. Canary trap? That would be … amusing.
And even if the House goes ahead, the Senate won’t. So this is all moot anyway.
The Donks are scared. That is the source of the hysteria. They know their bullshit is exposed, and their “old reliable” voters are bailing. “Woke” in the Red Pill sense.
Popcorn?
The DOJ is executive branch, thus POTUS.
They act at his direction, with his authority, per the Constitution.
Congress can impeach him, but -he- directs their inquiries.
So if dipshit Joe confess-brags on T.V., Trump can say “sic him” even if that is politically handy.
Else, in effect, you advocate that his rivals are immune from prosecution.
Not possible.
Can, yes. But it’s gonna raise a lot of eyebrows and questions of impropriety when it happens in such a fashion. This is why ‘proper channels’ exist. You mention your concerns to DOJ, let them determine the veracity of any allegations, and do things by-the-book.
This is true even if you have an impeccable reputation for the truth, which is hardly the case for President Trump.
Biden straight-up boast-confessed to major corruption on camera.
It raises eyebrows that he was -not- prosecuted by the prior administration.
It raises eyebrows that the Left wants to give him a pass, but a third-rate Hearsay accusation by “a politically opposed” person is somehow “impeachment”-worthy.
You do see the problem, right? Most everyone else does.
Only for those who don’t remember, oh 3 years ago.
for the unenlightened, the entire Russia Hoax is based on the US Executive branch using foreign nationals to create fraudulent documents which were then used to justify FISA warrants and prosecutions.
What is going on now is the consequences phase in which the government cleans up behind the president with the dirty hands.
For the record, in 2015 Trump was not president. I know that is a loooong time ago and hard to remember.
This is a game of political chicken and the democrats will lose.
Also, didn’t we watch this BS play out about 20 years ago?
The D-rats tried to get Ronald Reagan with Iran-Contra, they tried to go after every Republican President since.
” this is something the DOJ takes up, not POTUS,”
Is that a joke? The DOJ works for the President and does what he tells them; it is NOT an independent agency. Read the Constitution (you figure out which one), it’s not very long.
But, it is just so much fun to watch #PresidentTrump take out the libturds and watch their heads explode as he trolls them every single day !!!
I was thinking about #PresidentTrump today and the latest hair on fire, OMG we’re doomed, we just can’t have this or something else that we’ll identify later in the next year of investigations where we are going to have impeachment and then we can arrest #PresidentTrump and have him thrown in jail for 300 years !!!!!
Say what you want, he’s a master and commander of a huge single handedly fought war on the progressive asswipes that have driven this country into the beginnings of a third world shithole asw they swamp us with illegals, free everything and the unknown assortment of only God himself knows who or what they are and where they came from.
He really is, I may not be all that smart or I may just be a luddite that hangs on every word that he and Rush say, but dammit it is just so much fun to listen to, watch on TV and listening to the left wing heads explode is nothing but a blast.
The shitshow starts on Sunday morning talking heads shows and ends on Friday night, that is if Trump wants it to !!!!!
If only for entertainment purposes alone, to not vote for #PresidentTrump at this point in time would just be foolish !!!
If it’s this bad now, just think of how much fun the next four years will be !!!!!
He’s just a fucking master at it !!!!!
These libs, like larsy-boi are just so fucking stupid !!!!
https://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/trumps-total-culture-war/
You don’t suppose Trump has learned to play the Leak Game?
Could it be that the “Nancy” is playing the Political Game?!
Her party has been pressuring her for two years now to start the Impeachment proceedings…she knows it will end bad for them.
She is willing to start the ball rolling because she also realizes they have a front runner that does not fit her agenda and needs to go.
The President has now handed her the perfect means to discredit this candidate, while at the same time appease her party by starting the proceedings. Knowing full well that she likely will not even get the votes in the House to Impeach once the evidence is brought…let alone successfully try the President in an opposition Senate!
It’s a win-win for Nancy and she gets the nay-sayers in her own party off her back, while clearing the way for “her” candidate to be front runner!
I thought that was unusually clever of her, too, but she has a sneaky side to her that she doesn’t generally display, e.g., grabbing the gavel as House Speaker and clutching that thing to her like a lost child. 🙂
She’s a lot smarter than she lets on publicly. What a chameleon. I haven’t given her enough credit for such things.
Ccccccraaaazy, man…
My question (again), what is the ‘high crime and misdemeanor’ that has occurred? First it was collusion, then it was obstruction, now???
Uh, he, uh, he talked, uh, to the Ukraine uh, president – something like that, but uh, it uh, involved uh, investigating Biden’s boychild, or something like that.
He did what others had done, are supposed to do, and are paid to do, but, he did it…
… while being a Republican.
How DARE he! Does he not yet understand that the “others” wanted Hillary, so he should not have taken the oath of office, much less spent one single night in the White House?? Who does he think he is, anyway? A patriotic American or something? (Sounds subversive, to a libidiot.)
Can we at least get you guys to admit that nothing is ever happening to Hillary? You aren’t still holding out for something to happen, are you?
Your Hot Pockets are ready…
Correct, Helpful,
Your side has so successfully corrupted the LE and Intel agencies that no favored person (i.e. democrat) is ever held accountable the way all peasants (i.e. republican) is.
Conglaturations
Here you go back to being another Village Idiot, do you enjoy being stupid?
Still telling war stories about your “deployment” to South Korea 30 years after the war ended?
May I quote Nancy Pelosi?
In her proposal for impeachment, she says: No one is above the law.
Yes, and that includes you, Nancy, as well as a large number of Senators and Representatives in Congress now. I suggest you remember that before you get too frisky.
P.S. I do appreciate the way Mr. Trump is yanking the twine by saying ‘will release’ and then ‘not releasing yet’ and then ‘will release’ and ‘not yet’. He can probably herd cats, too.
He’s the Master and Commander of the self induced shitshow that is the libturd party these days !!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!
You just know this is going to backfire on them. They were just played by the master and they’re so stupid they have no idea about it yet !!!!!!
“Yes, and that includes you, Nancy, as well as a large number of Senators and Representatives in Congress now. I suggest you remember that before you get too frisky.”
The fuck does any of this mean? Are you suggesting they are all guilty of crimes as well? Every Republican Senator voted to let the whistleblower testify.
English, MoFo, can you understand it?
I’ll translate the easy to understand sentence for you:
YES.
All. Of. Them.
The odds that a person in federal office is clean is almost zero.
In their zeal to convict Trump on a quid pro quo they’ll screw themselves. Not only did Biden (and by extension Obama) do much worse in this narrow case with the Ukrainians, but quid pro quo is part and parcel of both politics and international relations.
For example, the federal government routinely uses their money to twist the arms of the states. Real ID, national speed limit, .08 BAC for DWI, etc.
It was also Obama who got caught on a hot mic telling a Russian head of state that he’d have more flexibility after the election.
Translation.
Democrats have seen the poll numbers. They are going to get creamed in 2020. They have to do something now to stop it.
Even if it means the destruction of the pillars of American government.
^THIS^!!
Yeah, and this is going to backfire badly for them. Impeachment is not popular with voters. The Clinton impeachment cost the GOP in the next election, and the case against Clinton was a lot more solid than this. Pelosi (or, as Jericho Green of YouTube has appropriately dubbed her, David Lo Pan) knows this, which is why she has been resisting it. But now she’s up against it, as her party has turned on the self-serving career politicians like her and embraced the Psycho Left.
Well, saying she’s considering an impeachment inquiry is not the same thing as actually doing it, is it? And she can delay that “inquiry” by making the daily bidness of the House more important than That Other Thing.
Just imagine Trump winning the So-called (and never actually happened) “popular” vote.
And calling on the “popular vote compact” folks to follow through and cast their Electors for Trump.
Heads all explody all about.
Popcorn?
Like I said earlier, to not vote for Trump at this point in time would just be foolish for all the fun we witness with the clown shitshow !!!
Even the news is fun nowadays !!!
“Democrats have seen the poll numbers. They are going to get creamed in 2020. They have to do something now to stop it.”
I’d like to see some of those numbers. Got any sources? 40 Republican members of congress have retired since 2016 or stated they will not be running in the next election.
retirement numbers and poll numbers are not the same thing.
Also, congressional election polls and nationwide polls are not the same thing.
Also, while retirements may provide opportunities for dems, national issues like impeachment can and do influence those opportunities.
A guy like Nadler is secure in a seat he knows a yellow dog could win. He accepts no risk by moving forward on impeachment. He does, however, impose risk on all those in less secure seats.
It is also important to note that the far left of the party is conducting a primary challenge campaign to unseat democrats who are deemed to be insufficiently Stalinist so that the party will lose those seats.
The party is in schism and that is ultimately what will have the greatest effect come November, 2020.
So, let’s say that the impeachment is successful, and Trump is removed from office.
Hillary is still not the President.
Pence becomes the President.
Do the dems really want that?
The game plan is to hang something – ANYTHING – on Pence so third in line, San Fran Nan, gets sworn in. Her becoming House Speaker changed the whole “suck it up, you lost” equation to “only two in our way”.
I’d like to remind everyone that Bill Clinton WAS impeached but was NOT removed from office.
An impeachment inquiry is not the same thing as impeachment, nor does being impeached guarantee that the target will be removed from office. See sentence #1 for reference.
“Pence becomes the President.
Do the dems really want that?”
I’m not a Dem, but fuck yea. Pence is a real fucking deal conservative. I’d like to see him go after state marijuana laws, increase prison terms for felons, and actually get shit done instead of tweeting to Rosie O’Donnell all fucking day.
Remember how all of you guys were Cruz supporters but now pretend to have been Trump supporters the whole time?
“all of you guys were Cruz supporters”
Can I get a hand count? Anyone? Hello, is
thing on?
Not a cruz supporter…also not a Trump supporter…
But…I do have to say…Trump has achieved more conservative goals than anyone since Coolidge.
I don’t know if that makes him conservative or not, but one thing is clear–and this is where old school “I’m not a democrat even though I voted for Obama twice” “republicans come in–it is clear that he has no love for the swamp, D or R inspired.
and both parties hate that.
After all, how are they supposed to get rich if the corruption party ends?
You just listed the reasons why the dems don’t want Pence. He’s the conservative boogeyman that lives in Nanny Lugosi’s closet. And if you really paid attention, you’d see that most on this forum that support Trump weren’t always supporters. Most of us voted against Hillary, and Trump was our only option. Personally, I’m very happily surprised at how the Trump presidency has gone.
Again… All of this howler monkey screeching because the Bloody Bitch of Benghazi, das Skankabeast, Mrs filthy nasty dirty murderous wipe my records clean or I’ll take you all down, didn’t get her turn.
Pitch forks and torches time boys and girls, the Tree of Liberty is getting thirsty.
This is because Trump is unfit to be president and has used the office for personal gain and consistently puts his own personal interests over that of the nation. Committing crimes in the process,
You’re totally full of shit once again!
I can’t believe you keep saying this stuff with a straight face. You’re as wrong as everyone else on the left.
It wasn’t too long ago you claimed here to be privy to intelligence that Trump has broken numerous laws and Mueller was going to be indicting him. Didn’t happen. You’re like a weather man who’s literally never right. Only a fool would listen to you.
“used the office for personal gain and consistently puts his own personal interests….”
you mean like donating his Presidential salary to the National Parks, hurricane relief in the Bahamas and other things like that?
Or do you mean the hotels and resort properties that still have his name attached to them? But managed by someone else?
Strange how you’re not interested in all the other politicians who put their own interests over that of the nation to enrich themselves and/or the families (cf Hunter Biden, the entire Clinton gang, Pelosi’s husband).
But y’all keep beating that horse like it’s going to win the Kentucky Derby
“Strange how you’re not interested in all the other politicians who put their own interests over that of the nation to enrich themselves and/or the families (cf Hunter Biden, the entire Clinton gang, Pelosi’s husband).”
OH YEAH, like how Hunter *SNORT* Biden who in the past was caught with drug paraphenelia, who was thrown out of the Navy Reserve for flunking a drug test AFTER HE received a waiver due to his age to get a Commission while his Daddy was VPOTUS, who received over $180,000 A MONTH from that Ukrainian Gas Company and his Daddy the VPOTUS BRAGGED about how he quashed the Investigation in the Ukraine by threatening to withhold about $1 Billion US in aid to them. Yeah, the Bidens are JUST AS slimy and filthy as any other DC Insider Klan!
DOH !!!!!
He’s at it again and proves my point that Trump has them all not knowing whether to shit or go blind !!!
BWAHAHAHAHA !!!
Go get’em larsy-boi !!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!
Lars, you hung your hat on the Mueller report … and nothing happened, because there was nothing there, just like I and many others told you.
Now you and your ilk double down on this, another major nothingburger which ties to a major fuck-up by Biden while sitting as VPOTUS – admitting on camera that he threatened to withhold a billion dollars from Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating his son was fired.
Why do you not comment on this, Lars?
“This is because Trump… has used the office for personal gain…puts his own personal interests over that of the nation…committing crimes in the process.”
If you know all this to be fact then you should have no trouble outlining a. how he has personally gained (more than former presidents did), b. what the personal interests were, and c. what crimes he’s committed. I expect a complete and detailed list from non-partisan sources. If you can’t provide a list, then all you’re doing is spouting your biased, partisan opinion.
It took long enough. Mueller already had the proof he obstructed justice on at least 5 separate occasions and would have indicted if he had been permitted to indict a sitting president. Additionally he determined, and explicitly stated in his report, that Trump and the Republican Party both welcomed and assisted (though information sharing) Russian efforts to interfere in our election. Mueller just could not prove Trump entered in to a specific agreement with Russia. I knew Trump was unfit to be president. I know for a fact that USAID/DoS knew he was a money launderer for Eastern European and Russian oligarchs. And have known for. Ore than a decade. If they knew the FBI and CIA knew. NSA llkely has all the proof necessary from intercepted communication. It was infuriating to watch this huge masquerade as congress protected him by expressly forbidding Mueller from investigating his money laundering. Despite the fact that money laundering was the original angle Mueller tried to pursue. It goes to show how pervasive and connected international embezzlement of public funds by politicians around the world and how many politicians do not want that to be the central focus. The two primary mechanisms used to launder money internationally is real estate and media production. So as this played out politicians, several media moguls, and some of the wealthiest people in the world all had a vested interest in making sure money laundering was not the focus of any inquiry. Regardless of wether the impeachment is successful Trump is done. The impeachment proceeding with dismantle his support structure as his henchmen get thrown under the bus and commit perjury/contempt of Congress one by one. When this is over the Republican Party will be fractured and it will never recover. The Republican brand is going to be associated with Trump for decades to come. There will be a new centrist leaning Conservative party, I predicted Paul Ryan’s career would be destroyed by a Trump presidency and it has. I predicted Mitch McConnell career would be destroyed by Trump, and it will be. As will his legacy. I… Read more »
Commissar:
Just for you. Recommend you watch the ending of this 1 minute cartoon (see below).
*Smile*
When your predictions don’t come true, will you finally admit you were wrong and made a mistake?
*Another Smile*
Enjoy!
One already has come true.
I said “PredictionS” (plural) not “Prediction” (singular).
Since you are avoiding my question, I will ask again:
When your predictions don’t come true, will you finally admit you were wrong and made a mistake?
Which one came true ???
The sky will be blue next week here in Texas ????
Or the Bears still stink ???
Kind of a moot point at this point in time…
Which “prediction” would that be, ‘Roo (AKA “Poodle” AKA Commissar)? Please be specific.
Hmmm, with all this “proof”, remind us again, which day during the Mueller “investigation” did you interview with him? Which committee of Congress have you testified to?
Lars, you said I know for a fact that USAID/DoS knew he was a money launderer for Eastern European and Russian oligarchs. And have known for. Ore than a decade.
Funny, I KNOW someone who works as a SA for them. When asked about that very thing, they said bullshit.
Keep “pre-dick-ting” stuff. All that time with your antifa friends is warping your head.
Oopsie.
And interestingly enough, a good circustantial case can be made that the Clintoon Foundation did exactly that. Who do you think ponied up all those
payoffs“donations” to the Clintoon Foundation from Russian sources while the female Clintoon was SoS – and was considering high-tech technology export issues relating to Russia?Just curious, what flavor is the Kool-Aid that you’re drinking?
red
Red Cherry, to be precise. It’s a favorite of those on the Left who are willfully naive about how the world actually works.
Mr. Commissar, Clearly from your statements you do not currently possess a law degree and have ever attempted to try a case in a court of law! Also quite clear from your statements you know nothing about the US Intelligence Community and what they can and can not do by law. It would appear that your knowledge comes from Conspiracy theorist and television and movies. Mr. Mueller stated that the President did nothing that can be proven in a court, and therefore he was unwilling to attempt to recommend him for prosecution. The NSA has no authority to collect on US persons. If they did, they would be immediately obligated to turn over such evidence to law enforcement in order to take appropriate action, which would include the FBI if it was across National or international borders. The same with the CIA…though they usually just destroy it as it raises more questions than it is worth answering as to how they obtained it. You mention embezzlement of Public funds, but as far as everyone is aware the Trumps do not take a dime from the public (their salaries go to charities or other federal agencies). Yet, as this scandal unfolds we find more and more of the previous administrations business dealings were exactly what you describe. You do realize the gamesmanship that Mr. Trump is playing right? He is letting the Democratic Party out their own leadership in order to clean the slate! He has yet to hold any public circus to parade the wrong doings of his political rivals, he has just sat back and played the game of play and counter, play and Trump (pun intended). I can not be sure if the Democratic Party Leaders participating are going along with it in order to clean their own house, or are just too stupid to realize they are being played…but it is fun to watch! As for your “predictions”: Paul Ryan is taking some much needed time off, before he decides to run for the Presidency, as the reformer who finally tackles the budget…now that the corruption has… Read more »
Shit, ‘you projected’ Hillary would win by several points.
This fever dream that this is an effort to install Nancy Pelosi in the white noise is nonsense.
The best thing for dems is to have Trump on the ticket in 2020.
Pence would be a close second.
Hell, at least Tump is likeable. Nobody likes Pence,
Nobody wants an incumbent Pelosi running a knee jerk campaign against a pissed off Republican Party.
Right now dems are pissed which is the best thing for turnout in November.
Installing Pelosi would undermine dem turnout. Maximize Republican turnout and result in a new Republican president winning in 2020.
ThT is the last thing dems wang.
They want Trump out and Pence in and run against Pence in 2020.
If not that then run against Trump in 2020 after he is ripped apart by all the crap that will come out during impeachment.
I’m not worried about any of that. Trump will be standing in front of the capitol on 20 Jan 2021 being sworn in for his second term.
This is a Biden scandal. 100% Biden’s to own. Nobody’s even talked about the shady deal he and his kid did with the Chinese yet.
The Democrats trying to turn it into a Trump scandal is going to blow up in their faces in epic style. That they the Democrats seem to have gotten a pass on using FISA courts to spy on a rival campaign and weaponized the intelligence community to sabotage an incoming opposition candidate is a shame. It’s literally worse than Watergate, but the whole Orange Man Bad MSM and Democrats hate Trump more than they love the country. Why else would you all be so against enforcing the law here, investigating made up crimes, and trying to undermine a duly elected president?
HEY Commissar, I nearly broke a rib laughing at your diatribe of effluvia!! You seriously give me the impression that you are a VERY lonely character, someone always seeking validation from someone else because you have a deep-seated self-dislike from earlier years and you do whatever you can to seek validation from others and in this case it is obviously your Professors at UC Berzerkely and whatever crowd tolerates you. I’m quite certain that you save whatever you post here as well as the responses to your Profs in hopes that they give you some kind of Kudos as well as your hopes of converting someone else to your way of thinking which I’m sure WILL NOT happen here. Take my advice, buy yourself s copy of “The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F*ck” by Mark Manson, it was an eye-opener for me. OH, and DO get out from inside the turtle shell that you’ve sealed yourself inside of, you’re VERY out of touch!
API, you are wasting your computer ink on this Sphincter Sucker. Let him get back to wetting the bed and sucking his mama’s tit!
You know Lars is beyond rational thought??
“You know Lars is beyond rational thought??”
Yes, but now I have a clean conscience because I tried to throw him a lifeline.
what will come out of the impeachment probe is the growing case that Obama ordered illegal investigations of US citizens, used the FBI to attempt to sway an election, used the DNI to lie to the press and create false “dossiers” to distribute to LE, and…
Created the contract for the Executive Branch to use Trump properties during travel. That’s right, your very own godlet, from your very own party, stayed in several Trump properties per contract.
Oops.
I will lay even money that in a few days we hear that Ginsburg is stepping down for health reasons. The Dems will insist that Trump cannot appoint a successor while he is “under the cloud of impeachment” (or something else) and try to stretch this out until the election in the hopes that they can retake the executive. It probably won’t work, but they’re playing a weak hand in the hopes that they can bluff their way through. Idiots (see above) will eat it up.
She tipped them she is quitting?
That makes sense, but she already passed the chance to pass the torch via Obama. She will ride that bench until she is carried from it. She don’t quit.
I could be wrong, but I doubt she would quit, ever.
No. -someone else- tipped them her health is failing.
Oh my.
It could well be a false flag, just to shit-stir.
(And I wish her well, and a successful defeat of the common enemy, Cancer. Kick its ass, maam. )
But what a master-level troll such a phoney “leak” would be.
And they’re pissed at her for not taking one for the team.
Gee whiz, this is almost as exciting as waiting to find out if Nixon is going to be impeached (he wasn’t) or fired (he resigned and gave the reins to Gerald Ford).
I have some predictions of my own, but I’ll hold off for a bit on them.
Nixon quit to avoid impeachment. If Trump is smart (he isn’t) he’d do the same. But according to you guys he wants to be impeached and this guarantees his re-election somehow, so congrats on his re-election! I’m sure the House will also go back to Republican control and the Senate will also swing back in the Republicans’ favor because that’s also a sure thing for some reason.
IMHO, Hans Von Spakovsky opinion on the topic nailed it:
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/hans-von-spakovsky-trump-impeachment-effort-will-be-historic-political-battle-heres-how-process-works
“Impeachment is primarily a political process.”
“If a majority of Americans do not believe that the impeachment of a president is warranted because no actual wrongdoing has occurred (or the public believes that the alleged wrongdoing is not sufficiently serious to warrant removal from office), there seems little doubt that members of Congress pushing impeachment will be unsuccessful and may suffer damaging political consequences at the ballot box.”
“The impeachment process was not placed in the Constitution so it could be used for crass, partisan gamesmanship, but was instead created to remedy serious misbehavior by federal officials.”
“If members of the House and Senate start voting to impeach a president because they simply oppose his policies, we could see a lot more attempts to impeach presidents in the future.”
“Members of Congress should be wary of abusing the impeachment authority in such a manner, because it could imperil the stability of our constitutional structure by removing a duly elected president.”
“Whether you are a Republican or Democrat, and whether you support or oppose President Trump, you should oppose making impeachment a frequently used move against presidents of the United States. Someday, a president you think is doing a great job could be targeted.”
Last sentence was for Commissar.
“Heads we won, tails IMPEACH”
That only works if the impeachers plan no further opportunities to decide the contest.
It’s kinda a tip, folks. They apparently no longer intend to play by the rules.
Pelosi was previously speaking of “deeming” the Senate to have passed a bill that they had not passed. Watch for her to “deem” him impeached when the Senate “fails to act”.
Bye bye rules if she does. That cuts both ways, eh?
‘Bye bye rules if she does.’ – Not necessarily. She still has to follow the rules, therefore, saying ‘he was impeached because I said so’ has no validity to it.
Come on! Didn’t you have to pass a US Constitution test when you were in school?
There’s a procedure to follow, which is long, boring and thorough, e.g., the Watergate hearings. That was leading up to impeaching Richard Nixon, and he knew it. Rather than face impeachment, he resigned and VP Gerald Ford was sworn in as President. That is the succession line.
If the VP becomes President, he nominates someone to fill the VP seat and Ford nominated Nelson Rockefeller.
President pro tem of the Senate is the US Vice President, and as happened with Nixon’s resignation, Ford nominated a replacement Vice President once he was sworn in.
Pelosi is Speaker of the House unless she is nominated for VP. She does not automatically succeed Pence. Someone else can step into that position, and she is still left out of the mix. She won’t like it, but those are the rules and she has to obey them willy-nilly.
The 25th Amendment gives the succession line: Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
The 25th Amendment was passed and ratified in 1965. No, it was not in anticipation of Nixon’s nonsense. He wasn’t in the picture then. And just so you know, any one of those quacking pols in Congress can be recalled and sent packing, by public vote. All anyone has to do is start a petition to recall (fire, basically) a representative or senator.
She tried to float that “deem” crap over 0bamacare.
She got sufficient pushback to prevent a debacle.
If she tries it again, there won’t be anyone playing by the rules. If they won’t, no one else will.
Hopefully, her associates explained the consequences of that.
Has Pelosi, you know, scheduled a vote related to Impeachment?
No?
Then there is no “impeachment inquiry” because there in no impeachment in play. They can finger-paint their own poop all they want, but absent an impeachment -vote-, Nada.
“Well? You gonna have them votes or whistle Dixie?”
“Go on! Skin that vote-wagon and see what happens!”
Lol. Yeah. Much nothingburger.
I’m not sure I’d agree with parts of that, Mail. The trigger for an impeachment investigation can come from a lot of directions, and doesn’t require a formal vote. My guess is that Pelosi is finally signing off on a quasi-investigation by the House Judiciary Committee that, for all practical purposes, has been going on since November 2016. Among other driving forces is likely the fact that committee chair Jerrold Nadler is annoyed because President Trump calls him “Fat Jerry.”
Something that doesn’t seem to make sense to me at this point is why Pelosi would make such an announcement, now, when she doesn’t have the numbers. According to some reports, she has said she has two-thirds of Democratic members of the House who support an impeachment investigation. What’s curious is that while the rules say that a House vote requires only a clear majority to pass impeachment on to the Senate, the two-thirds Democrat support Pelosi has amounts to about 155 which is below the needed 218 or so.
All of which is aside from the fact that a Senate vote would require a two-thirds majority to kick Trump to the curb. Something which is unlikely even in Nadler’s wildest wettest dreams.
I’m surprised at her timing too. With Trump already saying he’s going to release the transcript tomorrow, why not wait at least until after that?
She announced it. That does not mean she has to pursue it.
It’s like throwing a ball of twine to a herd of cats who really hate each other, but the ball of twine is loaded with catnip and each of them wants that catnip something fierce.
What was that thing about interesting times?
True. It’s also much bigger news than Trump’s UN speech excoriating the globalists in support of human trafficking.
At least it got the news to quit playing videos of that autistic Swedish child’s idiotic ranting.
Yes, there is a photo of him walking several yards away from her while she glares at him, but he probably didn’t even see her.
She really won’t like it when no one listens to her any more after the childlike cuteness wears off, and the world hasn’t ended.
True, she’ll join Cindy Sheehag and Bradley Manning on the pile of History’s throwaway useful idiots.
You left out that dork from Florida, API – the one that wants to grab all our guns and now he’s at Hahvahd. You know, ol’ what’s his name Pigg or something like that.
Yeah, THAT little Bony Eared Assfish!
Perry,
“Impeachment” is Constitutionally defined, as is the process.
They can do their usual stuff, and call it whatever they like. It has no less and no more impact than any other day-to-day work.
They -must- vote as specified to impeach. If they don’t vote to impeach, there is nothing new or different.
So it’s all just “baffling with bullcrap” if Pelosi holds no vote. She is targeting the loons on her own team with the bullcrap, trying to avert the “Coyote runs off the cliff” that our Zampolit and his loon associates want.
No vote, no impeachment. Just bullcrap.
Yes, she clearly doesn’t and hasn’t wanted it from the get go, so even if she says ‘inquiry’, she’ll probably delay that until the last minute.
Just keep a weather eye on it.
It seems that every since the Demonrats took over the house they have spend all their time “investigating” and not doing what they were elected to do. I guess in a way it’s good because we have more than enough laws on the books, but still aren’t they supposed to be doing “the work for the people” and not all this partisan shit every day? Why does the press give them a pass on this? I know, stupid question.
OH, come on, RM3, let them keep lashing that rocky shore until they are shredded and tattered and find that their time is nearly up. It’s like watching pigeons looking for that one peanut I threw into the crowd of them and finally, one pigeon found it… and realized that he had it… and then they all realized that he had it. It was sad watching them go after him.
Fortunately, he had enough sense to take off from a dead stop before they could peck him to death, and they completely ignored the fact that I still had peanuts in my hands.
I don’t know what planet commissar lives on but he needs an improved tinfoil hat. None of his dire predictions resembles truth and only serves to support conspiracy theory as practiced by the “gov’t brought down the towers” group. What a waste of oxygen.
Yeah, but he’s at least consistent in his mumblings. Consistent and predictable go hand in hand, you see. All he has to do is find new names to put in his tired, hackneyed comments.
He also makes predictions on global pandemics and climate change. A real renaissance know-it-all.
His track record there is just as good as his track record on politics.
It’s a shame, isn’t it, that people who are so desperate for “something to believe in” avoid going to church as if there were a plague of some kind associated with it.
I don’t go to church because I don’t want to get shot.
(sigh) Trolls gotta troll, I guess.
No, you’re quite wrong, Helpful Medal. Extremely wrong, in fact.
People in a church the South were shot en masse by someone who went to one of their weekly meetings.
It isn’t just synagogues that are targeted.
You just let everyone know what an ignoramus you really are.
Don’t forget the mass shooting at the First baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.
Sorry, I did NOT mean to leave that one out. My bad.
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It’s quite apparent that you give your maximum effort at being the biggest idiot you can, HM!
Hey show some respect, he’s on his “10th combat deployment in Iraq.”
Yes, Fortnite is a bitch.
I suppose you don’t go to movie theaters, shopping malls, restaurants, or even Walmart either. It’s much safer to stay in your mommy’s basement and have her bring you Hot Pockets.
Where do you get Hot Pockets now? They were such a handy thing to have for lunch on a weekend!
Just want to let Hack Stone know that he is no longer under the gun to bring me a genuine Philly cheesesteak with onions and mushrooms.
I found a place that does a perfect take on it, plus fries, and also a properly prepared Polish sausage with relish, mustard and chopped onions.
Our local Kroger still carries them.
https://www.kroger.com/search?query=Hot%20Pockets&searchType=natural
I don’t care what anybody says, he’s a Master and Commander of the shitshow clowns of the d-rat party and I only offer larsy-boi as proof.
Every time that Trump gets someone really pissed off by trolling he shows up here to prove how “smart” he is and how much all of us are so wrong because, ummmm, uhhh, I dunno, socialism !!!
I wouldn’t vote for Santa Clause or even Jesus Christ himself with the way #PresidentTrump has “’em all out there a steppin’ and fetchin’ like they’re heads was on fire and their asses a catchin'” !!!
Thank you Charlie Daniels !!!
BWAHAHAHAHA !!!
What would we do without all this entertainment from Trump !!!
Master and Commander Troll !!!!!
Thought it was “feet was on fire”…. gotta go listen to “Uneasy Rider” again.
I have noticed that every time the D-rats and their Progda propagandists, ie the lamestream media, come out with something against Trump, which is practically daily, the Commie Cuttlefish crawls out of his basement and starts his bloviating blather. It is truly a waste of time to read his Bolshevik baloney.
Nah! Because….
Trumprunner!
The Commissar’s after you!
Trumprunner!
He bullshits as we knew.
That Commissar is really a crazy clown.
When will he learn that he’s never gonna pull him down.
Winning is our Trumprunner, making all his foes look dumb!
Just winning every day is his idea of having fuuuuuuun!!!!!!
He’s going to keep ordering those ACME products though, one of them will work and not just blow up in his face one of these days.
About predictions and how sometimes things happen exactly as predicted.
Last night I predicted that the sun would come up this morning. And there it is.
So, are y’all gonna throw a party? Or what??
So let me get this right
1. The Democrats tried to steal a election using foreign sources and failed
2. Was responsible for a fake special consul
With a bunch of DNC hacks running it ???
3. Biden’s son was facing allegations
In the Ukraine so daddy threatens there
Government ( I remember reading about the allegations in the NYT)
4. They are now using slow kids to push
A climate agenda at UN
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On the Flip-side
1. Trump has had two years to get to the bottom of it and nothing has happened
2. AG in Utah and another in Arkansas
As of me typing this still haven’t charged
Hillary or the Clinton foundation with anything
3. Trump won a election
And the Democrats are still butt hurt
The problem is simple
Both sides are to blame for this mess
The republicans sit on there ass and do nothing if they are they are
SLOW WALKING IT
and it’s going to cost them in November 2020
Wait and see
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the Democrats are a bunch of babies
And commies from they way they are
Acting and need to lean to get over it
And move on or they will be packing it
In 2020 also need to learn to move to the center and stop it with bring climate alarmist
Simple !!!!!!
From that cartoon:
“Trump wants us to impeach him.”
Okay……..so what’s the problem? Give Trump what he wants.
I see a lot of people complaining about this, saying it’s going to make the Republicans stronger next election, right? Then what’s with all the bitching? You’re welcome.
I’m not voting Trump again because he can’t stop fighting with everyone and won’t stay the fuck off Twitter. I’m actually fine with Pence taking over. He’s far more of a true conservative than Trump and he’s not the kind of idiot to keep blowing up agreements by throwing everyone under the bus.
I’m sick of him to the whining about the last election charge people or move on
He’s so full of shit
most people I know here in
Southern New Mexico that voted for him
Are feed up with it
Yes, gotta love the “never trump” crowd. They are sooooooo conservative and soooooooo anti socialism that they want to vote for a socialist.
Perhaps it is correct that Pence is better…but he is not running for president is he?
Not voting for Trump is a direct vote for the nationalist socialist policies of the “new left”. Period. Dot.
Genius!
I agree
I’m worried that enough people are feed up with this circus that they are going to sit this election out
This would be a good cycle for a 3rd party candidate may even win it to… after 3 years of nonstop
Dems did this why is no one being charged???? It give the independent and low info voter the opinion that nothing happened
It looks like they are dragging it out hopping they can use it to get votes next year the problem is
Everyone has fatigue from two years of non stop whining
“This would be a good cycle for a 3rd party candidate may even win it to… after 3 years of nonstop”
Sometimes I have to stop and remind myself that there are 60 year old people on this forum that would still vote Libertarian.
Libertarianism: for when you wanna Make America Great Again, but only after smoking a joint first.
A question for one of our lawyer commenters:
Assuming a POTUS indeed did request a foreign government investigate a political rival who had made public statements that a reasonable person might belive constituted admission to a crime under US law, what existing US law would that violate? After all: the Constitution does require that impeachment be for “high crimes and misdemeanors” – which appears to mean that at least a technical violation of some existing law would be required for impeachment.
FWIW: I think we can dispense with any “leverage” claim involving linkage between such an investigation and other aspects of foreign policy as being contrary to US law. Last time I checked, the POTUS had the responsibility to make and conduct US foreign policy, consistent with current US law and treaties (which do require Senate approval prior to becoing effective). Potential foreign military aid not already mandated by existing US law would seem to be in that category – and my understanding is that “quid pro quo” agreements are fairly routine in the conduct of foreign policy.
If I’m wrong in any of the above, I’d appreciate one of our qualified lawyer commenters correcting me.
He didn’t violate any US law, Hondo, and you know it just as well as I did. What sets them howling is that he didn’t as The Them for permission to do his job. He just went ahead and did it.
And now, like the spoiled brats they are, they are throwing tantrums over not being asked for permission to investigate a possible crime overseas by a US citizen.
Why does Saudi Arabia get carte blanche to our funds (so far as Trump overrode a vote to stop him from giving money to Saudi Arabia to continue the war in Yemen), but when it comes to Ukraine all of a sudden we’re keeping money from them despite Russia being the aggressor?
You’re like a problem inmate who smears feces on his cell walls.
Looking forward to the answer to that question, Hondo. Thanks for asking. Have wondered about that since this first surfaced. Default position was: Assuming he did all that, so what?
“and my understanding is that “quid pro quo” agreements are fairly routine in the conduct of foreign policy.”
That’s assuming the President is acting for the benefit of the country. It appears Trump was trying to simply benefit his campaign.
Based on what? It benefits the US if a corrupt highly placed politician is outed as the lying shitbag crook he is.
I’m still trying to figure out why we are helping the Ukraine???? It’s a Europe issue not a US issue
It falls under Russia’s influence and then Europe
Not the US
Because we don’t want Russia to just invade and absorb any country it wants to increase their power and control over the region?
So why are we playing the bill while Europe sits on its ass and does nothing
They’re not sitting on their ass. There are more than just U.S. troops in the region. There’s other coalition troops there.
I’m tracking now
It’s been off my radar
To focused on China
And not Europe
Democrats, ensuring Trump’s re-election since 2017!