Spotting Incels in the Wild

| June 23, 2019

Someone parodies a “Chad”, a common subject of Incel created memes. (Incels wiki)

Ex-PH2 recently posted about the Air Force’s warning about incels. This is a group of men, usually socially and romantically unsuccessful, who generally tend to blame women in society for their lot in life.

Jonn posted an article about Alek Minassian, the man that drove a van into a crowd of people. Some here sarcastically remarked about members of specific Christian denominations becoming restless. Could it be the Amish? Quakers?

Then, one of our Canadian friends, or someone privy to Canadian issues, dispelled the Islamic terrorist attack suspicions.

A virgin, angry at women for his not having sex, took his frustration out with a van. Using it as a weapon, he plowed into a crowd of people. He was specifically aiming for groups of women. However, males were also injured. He ranted about an Incel rebellion to overthrow the “Chads” and “Stacys”.

From ABC:

“The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!”

He identified himself as a private, wanting to talk to a Sergeant 4Chan. The later, 4Chan, is a website that has topics that attract virgins.

Both Alek Minassian and Elliot Rodger entered our radar based on their horrific acts. Elliot Rodger left a manifesto, which some incels treat as a bible. Naturally, for us, our attention focused back on fakers., embellishers, trolls, TAH detractors, and on other normal TAH topics as time moved on.

Incel Community Origins

Today, men populate commonly known incel forums and subreddits. The community is associated with men. However, it had a different origin.

A woman founded the first known incel community. In the 1990s, she started a community consisting of “Involuntary Celibates”. She intended it to be a support group. And, it started out as such. It consisted of people who were socially awkward, people who had the wrong attitudes about women, people who needed help interacting with others, etc.

Despite these differences, the community had a support nature to it.

The woman got better on the social front. This presumably led to the end of her being an incel. She turned the site over to another member of the community, then she moved on with her life. After she left the community, both the movement and social media continued to evolve.

The movement itself shifted from that of a real support organization to one where frustrated men vented. Rodger and Minassian’s actions helped radicalize the community even further.

The Incel Community Today

The internet offers incels options with regards to forums and subreddits. These sites serve as platforms for incels to share their opinions about the women that reject them, the men that “kiss up” to these women, nonvirgin men, feminism, etc. Regardless of what forum they are in, they have “icons” that they identify with.

Elliot Rodger wasn’t the first to deal with his virginity by taking his frustrations out on his eventual victims. However, he killed women at a time when social media was already underway. Many incels consider Elliot Rodger as a martyr. Some call him, “Supreme Gentleman,” others call him “Saint Elliot Rodger”.

When Incels say, “Going ER”, they’re talking about doing what Elliot Rodger did.

Some random guy that the Incels named “BlackOps2Cel”. (Incel Subreddit)

Their “Patron Saint” is someone they’ve nicknamed, “StBlackOps2Cel”, for “Saint Block Ops II Celibate”. Incels snagged his photo from a website, then co-opted it based on their assumption that he was also an incel. They didn’t know him, but they elevated him and spoke of him as if he was their savior.

Incels identify BlackOps2Cel as their patron saint. They add “Saint” to the front of his name. (Incel Subreddit)

Incel sites are known for misogyny, radicalism, desire for sex with teens, etc. Not all of the members are radicals, nor do they share all the above views. However, the rhetoric on those sites tends to have a radicalizing effect on some of their members.

Incel Terminology

Incels rate people based on a 10-point Likert scale describing appearance. With “1” being the lowest, and “10” being the highest. Ergo, “1” is the “ugliest” and “10” is the “most attractive/handsome”.

Chad: A “Chad” is a male that rates 8 to 10 on the appearance scale. Chad references a white male. His black counterpart is labeled “Tyrone”. His counterpart from the Mediterranean area is labeled “Xavier”. His Asian counterpart is called “Chang”.  They have other terminologies for counterparts from other nationalities and ethnicities.

They identify Chad as a sexually and socially successful male who has no problems getting females. Women ranging from 1 to 10 want Chad, regardless of his attitude. Chad has specific physical features that cause him to be a “chick magnet”. Incels put his height at least 6-feet tall.

Brad: A “Brad” is a male that’s from 6 to 7 on the above scale. Brads are sometimes called “Chad-lite”. Incels, believing that all women want “Chad”, argue that “Brad” is just a place holder until his Stacy or Becky wife/girlfriend can hook up with Chad. Then, he will either be dumped or be “cucked”.

Norm/Normie: A “Norm” is someone ranging from 4-5 on the above appearance scale.

Failed Normie: Three on the appearance scale.

Subhuman: An ugly person. This is where Incels place themselves. Regardless of what their family tells them about their actual appearance. These Incels think that society sees them as subhuman/ugly.

Stacy: This is a female that scores an 8-10 on the attractiveness scale. She is usually a blonde white woman. She’s a “bimbo” who doesn’t want anything to do with “Norm” but may temporarily settle for “Brad” until a “Chad” comes along. Then she will “cuck” all other men.

Becca/Becky: A “Becky” is a woman that ranges from a 6-7 on the attractiveness scale. Not as attractive as a Stacy, she doesn’t necessarily possess the “eye candy” look. However, she’s still above average in looks and attracts her list of orbiters (male hopefuls).

Norma: Female Normie/Norm.

Sub 8/Sub Eight: 1-7 on attractiveness/handsomeness scale. Stacy does not want to have anything to do with “sub eights”. However, she may link up with “Brad” until “Chad” comes along. If she marries “Brad”, then meets “Chad”, she would “cuck” Brad and have sex with Chad instead.

Looks match: A man, and a woman, who rate the same on the appearance scale. Incels argue that women should focus on going out with men who are their “looks match”.

Orbiter: Men in the friend zone who have no chances of having sex with the woman that they “orbit”. They try anyway. Example, men who post responses to an original post by a woman. These men try to gain “points” with her. If any of these “orbiters” stick up for a woman’s opinion, in her defense, these “orbiters” are labeled as “numales”.

Numales: White knight.

Cuck: Based on cuckold. The traditional meaning isn’t the complete definition. Had sex with a woman who didn’t lose her virginity to you? You’re a “cuck”. On social media trying to gain points with a woman? You’re a “cuck”. Friend-zoned? Cucked. Facebook is sometimes referred to as “cuck-book”.

Wagecucking: Earning money for the government to tax. Tax money is needed to help support “Stacy’s” and “Chad’s” children after “Chad” dumps “Stacy”.

Incel Categories

Incels categorize themselves into different subgroups. White incels see themselves as “whitecels”. Black incels label themselves “blackcels”. Short incels tend to identify as “shortcel’s or manlets”.

A person posting as an incel, suspected of not being an incel, is flagged as a “fakecel”. They’re usually banned from the forum. Likewise, an incel who wouldn’t have sex with a woman if she’d be willing to have sex with him, but is usually not his type, is labeled as a “volcel”, or voluntarily celibate.

Sometimes, they would post a picture of an ugly woman, then say, “Volcel if you wouldn’t.”

Although women and gays can also be involuntarily celibate, most incels refuse to recognize this fact. According to them, any woman, or gay male, could have sex just for the asking. However, those who do recognize their existence will call the women “femcels” and the gays “gaycels”.

A person seeing a prostitute, who is otherwise an incel, is called a “whorecel”.

Blaming Appearance, not Attitude

Many of these Incels believe that they have a natural or artificial obstacle that permanently disadvantages them in the romance game. Usually, their perceived physical flaws, a societal norm against them, feminist “falsehoods” related to the incels, etc., permanently give them a bad deck of cards to play with.

However, if you’ve came across a guy, and through his actions he made you wonder if women didn’t want anything to do with him, you may have come across an incel. You would recognize that his attitude is his worst enemy.

If you try to point this out to him, he may get hostile. Or, he would insist on a perceived obstacle listed above as to why he isn’t having luck.

Think of the males you’ve known who avoided social interaction. Instead, they engaged in activities with limited to no interaction. Not all men in this category are single or have no luck with women. But many of them, not developing their social game, end up consistently finding failure when trying to pick women up.

Many of these incels tend to spend a lot of time with electronics. Many spend time with games, with messing with their phones, or with engaging in something related to technology. Now, not everybody that does this is without a girlfriend. However, many that do this spend little time doing real social interaction and learning.

Refusing to see their attitude as being their obstacle, they tend to do the same things while expecting different results. As a result, they keep failing to achieve social/sexual success.

The man in this video nicely represents the color the incels identify with. The man’s repetitive movement, resulting in the same results, nicely represents incels repeating the same mistakes via not recognizing the true source of their problems.

Many of these incels argue that the government should step in and correct these injustices against them. They’ve called for the government to stand up a “government instituted girlfriend program“. This is a program that requires women, no older than 29, to report to a government entity. From there, get dispersed to virgin men, or to men who have not had sex in at least six months. These women would be required to spend time doing the incel’s bidding.

Some may ask, why not go see an escort, or go to Nevada? For incels, this isn’t just about the sex. It’s also about having the “loving relationship”, and the emotions that come with the relationship. Incels that do see escorts, or who go to a brothel, identify as “escortcels” or “whorecels”. It appears to be the only way that those, having sex, could remain within the incel community. Otherwise, they would be identified as “fakecels” then banned from the community.

Many of the arguments that they advance make them the male counterparts to the “femnazi”. They are misogynistic, and advocate laws that would essentially strip women of their rights and return them to the status they had centuries ago. Incels lament the fact that women have rights, which includes the option to reject specific men.

If you come across a post, where someone is trash talking women, you might have an Incel. If you read about a mass shooting, and most of the victims are women, the shooter might be an incel. However, not all incels are violent, not all would advocate for carrying out violence. Unfortunately, a global voice increases the chances that someone would get “radicalized”.

This doesn’t necessarily mean that they will all end up committing violence. However, by sticking with others with similar complaints as them, they reinforce their assumptions regarding perceived injustices. Mainly, they are not getting women because of the obstacles listed above. Many incels believe that there is “nothing” wrong with their demeanor or attitude. The problem exists with women or society.

Chad versus Incel Meme

Brian Clyde posted a “Chad versus incel meme” focusing on mass shooting. This meme is one that compares a “Chad” with an “Incel”. It takes the social and sexual success of “Chad” and substitutes something else for it. The meaning is usually the same. Then, right next to the characters representing “Chad” and “Incel”, they would write the characteristics that would make them either the “Chad” or the “Incel”.

We could presumably build one of these memes involving a “Chad TAH commenter” versus the “Incel sock puppet” arguing for an exposed faker. Some labels for the “Chad TAH commenter” would include: deploys […] of insults, has military experience, references official records, etc. And, for the “Incel sock puppet”: phony in disguise, gets mad when called out, demands post be taken down, threatens legal action, etc.

Virgin Dallas Shooter versus Chad YPJ. (Incel versus Chad subreddit)

Clyde’s meme showed an example of how a “Chad” mass shooter would do things compared to how an “Incel” mass shooter would perform. Presumably, with “Chad” causing all sorts of damage and deaths compared to the smaller accomplishments of the Incel mass shooter. Ironically, Clyde slotted himself into the “Incel” side of the meme.

Here’s a video describing this meme.

Additional Reading

Incels Categorize Women by Personal Style and Attractiveness by Vox.

Alek Minassian claims to have started the incel rebellion by ABC News.

More about Alek Minassian by Click on Detroit.

Additional incel types on Reddit, Chad versus Incel subreddit.

Incel terms/definitions posted to Incel Tears subreddit.

Elliot Rodger’s Manifesto.

If you want to watch them in their own forums, simply search “Incel forums” and “Incel subreddits” in your search engine.

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Now that you’ve done all that research (well done BTW), go out and blow something up or shoot something. I feel like I lost brain cells and testosterone just reading all that.


Chad, Brad, Stacey and Becky. Got it.
Everyone else shops at Walmart.


except Karen. Karens shop at macy’s.

You all need to spend some time searching youtube police video channels like donut operator….

The crazies featured in those videos will make you lose hope for mankind…LOL


Sorry, t. I just couldn’t wade through all that societal weirdness in one sitting. I will offer this advice to the Incels- Get up. Get a shower. Don clean clothes. Get out from Mom’s basement and go to a supermarket, library, church, gym. OK, maybe a gym is a stretch, but ya gotta start somewhere.
And somewhere is above ground level.

MI Ranger

I seem to recall being something like this as a kid…most of it in my head. My friends all just wondered why I wasn’t dating, and I kept trying to do all the things I saw others doing (but not really liking it) and wondering why I was striking out (with women). Then I joined the Army, and learned to say “f’ it” and just be myself. Stop trying to sleep with every girl you meet, and just have a good time…and don’t ignore them when they seem really interested in you.
Then my real problems surfaced, and they all said I was a jerk, and stopped dating me…so I had to figure out how to not be a jerk! The Army didn’t help with this, it just made it worse.

5th/77th FA

What in the ever loving Sam Hell was all of that. Daaaaayuuuuuuuum! They say you need to learn something new everyday, but daaaaaayyyyuuuum! Some things are better left unlearned.

Another group wanting special privileges. Robert D. Raiford was correct. We ARE the United States of the Offended. I’m not a stud muffin Adonis, but I’ve never had a problem getting female companionship. And never had to rent it either. And right now I’m a marketable commodity, ie, a single straight white male with an income…and I can cook…and know which position to leave a toilet seat. Line forms here ladies. Bring cookies.


If this becomes more of a thing for males under 35, we are doomed as a society.



The defectives are chlorinating themselves out of the gene pool. The ladies will, so to speak, fill in the gap with better men.


One can only hope for a Dallas-type dead-with-no-collateral-damage solution.


Did anyone else feel extremely weird…or SAD after reading this? Luckily, my loving wife let me squeeze her boob after reading all this.

A Proud Infidel®™

IMHO “Incel” is another term for “Junk Male”. I don’t see many of them, but I also live in Red State America. I’m sure they infest deep blue locales because critters like that damn thing in the top pic would get their asses kicked to Kingdom Come the moment they tried to stir shit up where I live!


yes. but remember, 100 years ago, these men would have been the bachelors that worked the railroads, farms, ranches, mines, and merchant marine.

Now we have replaced them in those roles with exploitable 3rd world labor and that leaves them screwed.

Being mostly lefties, they see this as a social justice issue. They are not wrong in that, but looking to their exploiters for an answer is a bit stupid.

A Proud Infidel®™

“yes. but remember, 100 years ago, these men would have been the bachelors that worked the railroads, farms, ranches, mines, and merchant marine.”

I have to respectfully disagree. IMHO even remote locations like mining and logging camps, Railroad Construction camps, Ships and other places like that were manned and worked by Alpha Males who would take off to go get Female companionship and work like hell for a living while the beta and gamma types that are now in the “Incel” genre simply rotted away forgotten in that day.


Couple of miners would show up in town once a month to cash in their gold then hit the saloon.
One day the barkeep asks them what they do for companionship seeing as how they are all alone.
They tell him that they each have a board with a hole in it and that works just fine.
One day only one of the miners shows up at the saloon. Barkeep asks where’s your friend?
“Well, he stayed back at camp one day not feeling well so I worked the mine alone only to come back and find him with my board so I shot him”


So any guesses on Commisars parents knowing that he’s part of the community?


They are also generally not doomers per se, although the doomers do overlap with regard to their nihilism.

The incels do have one thing correct: 80% of women are competing for the top 20% of males, while 80% of men are realistically competing for the bottom 20% of females. They (and MGTOW) also correctly understand that the old saw that men care about looks and women care about personality is just a fairy tale told by women to their daughters.

In generations past, these bachelors would have filled the ranks of the trades and agricultural jobs and been valued by the society at large for their roles, but the globalists have either exported those jobs, or imported exploitable wage slaves from the 3rd world.

Since the incels are the very demographic that makes up the jihadist cadre, expect this group to be trouble going forward.

After all, a society based on the exploitation of some for the benefit of others can only breed resentment (yes, it is the commissariat of the SJW left doing this).

just lurking

You’re a lot closer to the truth than most of the rest here. Start with the ‘birth sex ratio” of 105 males for every 100 females and you start to see that for some males there just isn’t much hope for female companionship. Of course, many of those males will die so that in old age there will be more females than males, but by that point it hardly matters (some will also be gay, but so will some females and we don’t know the ratio of gays to straights at birth much less how that effects the aforementioned ratio). The blogger “Roissy” from the recently banned used to set out some axioms that explained the sociosexual dynamic at work and you’ve articulated one above about 80 percent of women competing for the top 20 percent of men, actually a dating site found that the women on the site rated 80 percent of the men there “below average”, which ought to tell you something. Start with the axiom “sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive” and you can begin to understand some of this. Men produce millions of sperm daily, so there’s no shortage, while a woman will produce only one or two eggs a month. And the female risks a lot more from reproduction than the male, so she is a lot more selective about her partner which means that she is looking for the most fit mate (which is where the top 20 percent of men comes in). But because sperm is cheap and there is no shortage of it, men are essentially expendable. Which is one reason why sending them off to do dangerous things has always been so much more acceptable (not the only reason, but one reason). But if men are expendable, women are expireable (i.e. their sexual value diminishes as they age and are less fertile). Evolutionary psychology helps us understand some of what is behind all of this and there are still bloggers out there like “the rational male” who can lay it all out far better than I can, but you’ve… Read more »

Slow Joe

Excellent points.

I would add the Ladder Theory to that.

Just Lurking

I’m aware that these points have been made by MGTOWs and others. I first heard them from ”Roissy”, but I know that Roosh V, Rollo Tomassi and others use concepts like evolutionary psychology to explain the dynamics of human sexual behavior and to help young men who are struggling develop strategies (game) to help them with women.

The fact if the matter is that there appears to be something to it-not too long ago research on the genome revealed that we are descended from twice as many females as males. This is usually articulated as historically “80 percent of females reproduced, but only 40 percent of males”. If that’s true then females have been selecting for the fittest males throughout history, which makes sense from an evolutionary perspective.

Of course, the only realistic choice a man has is to “get fitter”, which is sort of what game is-teaching men how to mimic the attitudes and behaviors of he kinds of men women are more likely to find attractive. Understanding the expectations of women (in general terms) and how women might test a man’s fitness can go a long way to helping men be more successful sexually.


“get fitter”

In todays world that means be polite to everyone and
get a damn job and your own crib.

And dress the part:

“Clean shirt, new shoes
And I don’t know where I am goin’ to.
Silk suit, black tie,
I don’t need a reason why.

They come runnin’ just as fast as they can
‘Cause every girl crazy ’bout a sharp dressed man.

Gold watch, diamond ring,
I ain’t missin’ not a single thing.
And cuff links, stick pin,
When I step out I’m gonna do you in.

They come runnin’ just as fast as they can
‘Cause every girl crazy ’bout a sharp dressed man.

Top coat, top hat,
I don’t worry ’cause my wallet’s fat.
Black shades, white gloves,
Lookin’ sharp and lookin’ for love.

They come runnin’ just as fast as they can
‘Cause every girl crazy ’bout a sharp dressed man”.

Just Lurking

With all due respect to ZZ Top I have a good friend who has been in his job for over 20 years, owns his own home and is exceedingly polite.

Never had a woman and probably never will. But his problem is that he doesn’t know how to approach women with confidence or how to sustain their interest.

Let’s not pretend that their aren’t real people trying to overcome real problems in this area and that there isn’t practical advice that can help. Knowing and understanding the psychology behind all of this can go a long way towards greater success.


Austin is a city in Texas with more than a plethora of beautiful young ladies.
I don’t mess with the ladies anymore as at my age I would end up in a nursing home with some big fat CNA wiping my ass and bitching because I didn’t go potty when they came around a half hour ago.
That being the case, I sure picked a great city to become a dirty old man in !!!
The ladies are everywhere !!!
I also tell my young male Uber riders that if they cannot get laid by male or female, whichever their taste, in two weeks in this town, they are true losers and need to move home to Mommy’s basement, by a case of hand lotion and sign up for every pron site they can find as they are such losers that suicide of the genetics they carry by not reproducing, will be a very good thing for mankind as a whole…
When Darwin wins a round, we all win with him !!!


WTF is wrong with people? I must be getting old because who would have ever thought up this kind of shit.

Carlton G Long

Married incel = “husband”

The Other Whitey

Speak for yourself.

Comm Center Rat

“This is your last chance. After this there is no turning back. You take the blue pill: the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill: you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.” – Morpheus, The Matrix


The black pill you say? That jives with what my dad said that once you go black you never go back.


How much of this population demographic includes the antifas?


Well, they’re all virgins who live in their Mom’s basement, of course…


Hermits, one and all, huh? Why am I not surprised?

Re: incels as geeks in the tech world: there are (or were) plenty of women who look at them as “providers” and are willing to put up with the geek stuff in exchange for the benefits of a high-income hubby/spouse/co-parent. That isn’t something new.


Grab a guitar, grab a mandolin, grab a ukelele…
Grab a telecaster or a ES-355 or a Fender vibrolux turned up to 10.

(Stole that from John Hiatt. What a great song)

Christ, grab something.

Slow Joe

Natural selection at work.

Incels selected themselves out. What is new is that the losers are getting organized.

I would argue that belonging to one of these online groups is an additional step in selecting yourself out.

Anyway. Why should we care about these losers?

Bill R.

Anyone can get laid. And if you can’t, just go to a hooker. Jeez, it’s not rocket science. Learn to talk, then find a girl willing to listen. If she’s too pretty, lower your standards. If none of the above works, wait till your parents go to sleep and go back downstairs to your computer. I’m about as ugly as they come but I’ve managed to get laid on three continents.

Slow Joe

So, am I…a Chad?

The Stranger

If Chad is the guy who runs the buffer, then yes, you are a Chad.🤣


Chad is the guy with the muscles.

The incel has next to nothing in the way of muscles, kind of like 5-year-old girl trying to throw a softball to Daddy.

I want to know if the guy in the photo is wearing Depends under those green leggings. Anything to look ridiculous, right?

A Proud Infidel®™️

Incel – another term for a booger-eating Mama’s Boy who couldn’t even get laid in a Women’s Prison with a $100 bill and an ounce of coke taped to his forehead or in a whorehouse with a winning Powerball ticket.


….in a monkey whorehouse with a seacan full of bananas


I blame ultra-feminism that has essentially emasculated two generations of men in this country and others, and soy-based baby formula (and other soy products), which is stuffing all of our boys and men full of estrogen from their birth.


Who knew soybeans were full of estrogen? I thought they were just a good source of vegetable protein, especially for the lactose intolerant. I hope I didn’t raise my estrogen levels by eating those soy based low cal meals on my diet regimen last year, as I noticed I had been crying a lot about once a month, before getting back to normal food.


They are actually very high, and Edens points are sadly spot on. Not at Europe doesn’t go overboard on lots of dumb stuff, but soy baby formula is prescription there, because of the estrogen like compounds.


Is it just my poor eyesight, or does the “patron saint” of the incels have a striking resemblance to Adam Lanza?

As a fellow basement dweller who undoubtedly was a virgin, I would think Adam would fit into their panoply of psychotic/demented heroes.

Jim Haltom

Wow. Glad I’m just old and have survived this long without the mental health issues displayed here.


Since when does a YPG fighter not care about an ethnostate?