NBC reports Turkish President promised President Trump he’d finish ISIS in Syria
OAN Newsroom
The president of Turkey reportedly promises that his country will finish the fight against ISIS in Syria, according to an NBC News report on Saturday citing senior White House officials.
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan allegedly gave his word to President Trump as a “friend,” stating that if the U.S. were to pull out of Syria, Turkey would be able to handle the remaining ISIS fighters in the country’s northern region.
Trump tweeted,
I am in the White House, working hard. News reports concerning the Shutdown and Syria are mostly FAKE. We are negotiating with the Democrats on desperately needed Border Security (Gangs, Drugs, Human Trafficking & more) but it could be a long stay. On Syria, we were originally…
….going to be there for three months, and that was seven years ago – we never left. When I became President, ISIS was going wild. Now ISIS is largely defeated and other local countries, including Turkey, should be able to easily take care of whatever remains. We’re coming home!
Trump claimed Middle Eastern countries and NATO allies such as Turkey, could handle the fight on terror. Maybe so, but I see no mention of the Kurds, and Turkey’s intentions towards them.
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Turkey is full of crap. All they want to do is kill the Kurds. They already have an alliance with Russia and Syria to go after the Kurds.
Trump flat lied when he claimed he made the decision because ISIS is destroyed. Trump made the decision at the request of Turkey and Russia.
This is counter to US interests and was done against the explicit and clear recommendation of the defense and intelligence communities.
Trump is Putin’s puppet.
His supporters should be ashamed of themselves that they are doing everything they can to pretend he is not compromised and justify his absolutely abhorrent behavior in office.
He literally compromised national security multiple times in trying to please Putin against US interests… you all would NEVER accept a democrat president compromising our national security like that.
TDS 24/7-365…!!
Then they kill the Kurds. Tell you what, bright boy. Saddle up and get your ass over there to help the Kurds. They will be happy to have you and we will be happy to do w/o you.
I’ll vote for that! He could go enhance the commie PKK and the other Kurds would have a chance to despise him thoroughly.
I’m sure if some guy said “Tu dixwazé bi mi(n) re bireqs e?” he’d take it as a compliment.
You really think the Kurds would tolerate Commissar? Oh, I get it, that’s the point!
Having served during the Cold War, the Trump/Russia collusion histrionics amuse me to no end – these are some of the same groups that loved the Soviets back in the day, and now are outdoing McCarthy in their zeal to expose the Russians. Not a big Trump fan, but definitely not a fan of the “Blame everything on the Russians” groups, either.
Damn you’re easy; I knew this was cuttlefish bait as soon as I saw it. You’re making a lot statements here but I see no references. Turkey and Russia in a three-way with Syria? Trump lied about ISIS being crushed, really? What happened to their Caliphate? Defense and intelligence communities have had us bogged down in that neck of the woods for 17 fookin’ years, Lars. Enough.
Didn’t McSlopforBrains insist yesterday that the article I wrote up was all wrong, despite all the backup that I provided?
I knew this was officially coming, just didn’t know how soon it would show up online.
Man, this dopey, mopey excuse for an upright bipedal homind is SO predictable!!
Splinkybait is great, AW1Ed! I congratulate you on your perspicacity and devotion to duty. Buy yourself a cold one and send the bill to Berserkeley. You win!!
Gee, I must of missed when you got appointed as Secretary of State. John Bolton consults you on all matters of foreign policy also?
It really is astounding how many times you don’t know when or how to keep your pie hole closed.
What! You guys disagree with my superior opinion, forged in the classrooms of Berkeley! You guys need to respect my intellectual superioritah!
You guys also need to quit calling me a fish, fuck knuckles, or any other description! That stuff triggers me!
Tu dixwazé bi mi(n) re bireqs e?
(translatiom, please, for those of us who are linguistically impaired?)
It’s Kurdish. The formal translation doesn’t seem to fit too well, but I think it’s a coloquialism for “shut up, fool” or something similar. I could be wrong.
Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder- TARD
Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder Operative- TARDO
Really Exceptional Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder Operative- RETARDO
YOU Babbles McButthead, are a RETARDO!
Закро́й свой рот, су́ка!
That one I got.
And if this had been 2015, you’d still have Obama’s cock in your mouth.
Consistency. Try it sometime.
We did accept a democrat doing that… Benghazi??Bergdahl???
So Larsie… what would you do, Boy Genius?
Got a game plan that you’d be willing to share with us? Or do you have to go back to Bezerkeley and ask one of your profs for advice?
Come on Larsie, tell us?
Why do Turkish men always look like they need a shave?
I still can’t tell the good guys from the bad guys over there w/o a score card. Friend today and foe later today. Destroying terrorists and their organizations is in our national interest. To the extent that we have a mission to do so, I am in support of doing just that, but this whack-a-mole bullshit has to cease.
I thought Er-dog-gone looked pretty spiffy in that pic, considering. It was the one he looked nearly sane in, anyway.
Wait a minute. If this is true, what will you use to yank McSlooperblip’s chain?
It seems pretty much self-yanking, Ex. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
But generally any article I post that has Trump’s name and a verb seems to do it.
Well, there really aren’t any good guys- except maybe the Kurds.
Whack-a-mole is what you see in the news because it generates clicks, as do US combat deaths.
Killing bad guys is generally good, and I hope the Turks keep it up. Who knows, maybe they’ll finish the job.and keep ISIS from rebounding. Maybe they’ll even refrain from crushing the Kurds. That would be good.
The problem is that without our troops on the ground advising and providing fire and air support, we will lose our influence with the Syrian Opposition who is doing most of the fighting on the ground and could potentially lead the country in a few years- if the Turks and Russians don’t take them out.
The easy way to remember this is that Syria is the opposite of Iraq. Iraq under the Baathists was a Shia country led by Sunnis (Hussein). Syria is a Sunni country led by Shia, which is why ISIS was semi popular with the locals and the opposition… at first. This is also why Russia and Iran want to keep Assad in power. They see him as the key to their influence in the region.
When Russia first got involved in Syria they were actually targeting some of the fighters we were working with more than they did ISIS.
By letting Turkey ‘finish the job’ of defeating ISIS, we are also giving up a lot of our influence on who comes out on top in Syria- Assad, or the opposition. This is why Iran, Turkey, and Russia all support us pulling out.
Russia “first got involved in Syria” back in 1971, during the Cold War. The Soviet Union was supplying arms to Syria and the other Arab nations. This prompted the U.S. to begin supplying arms to Syria’s arch-rival, Israel, following the Six-Day War in 1967, when the Israeli’s proved to the world that they were in the Middle East to stay. The Syrians gave the Russians (Soviets) a Naval Base at Tartus, which would greatly facilitate the delivery of weapons to the region. Up until then the Soviets did not have a convenient and permanent base of operations on the Mediterranean Sea. They have held onto it tightly ever since, which is their sole reason for supporting the Assad regime. Putin will only relinquish that strategic base over his dead body.
Assad isn’t going anywhere soon. And in the unlikely event he is ousted, what would the opposition’s government look like- another strong man autocracy? A Muslim Brotherhood and their idea of democracy- a one-and-done vote? Another Muslim caliphate, which is the same thing as the Muzzie Bros? I see no winners here.
As for American presence to influence events,
US carrier enters Persian Gulf for 1st time since Iran deal withdrawal
RT News.com
4.5 acres of Sovereign US Territory just sailed into the Persian Gulf. That’s a lot of influence.
A carrier always sends a message, although they suck at counterinsurgency.
Assad will be there all that much longer withRussia and Iran there to prop him up.
Carriers make the rubble bounce. COIN? That shit died in -12. Again, 17 years of defense and intelligence agencies trying various strategies and for what?
Time to GTFO.
If there is an insurgency, the actions you take to defeat it are called Counterinsurgency.
You are confusing the current Army/USMC doctine on counterinsurgency (FM 3-24), which is a collection of tactics and operational approaches, with the strategic goal of defeating an insurgency.
Making rubble bounce just gives insurgents places to hide and makes the people have more reason to side with them.
If the goal is to prevent ISIS from rising again, you will need boots on the ground. Yes, we can depend on our buddies Putin and Ergodan along with their Iranian friends to do the work and let us know when it’s done. Of course, their national interest is different from ours, so ‘success’ will also look a lot different
Assad and his supporters are the ones practicing counterinsurgency in Syria, Reddevil. Last time I checked, the US was supporting the “moderate” rebel faction trying to overthrow Assad’s government. The fact that we also oppose one of the other actors trying to overthrow Assad’s government (ISIS) doesn’t alter what we’re doing there.
We were talking about insurgency in the abstract, but we are trying to simultaneously support the moderate revels and defeat ISIS, which, being a hybrid threat, show characteristics of both a conventional force and an insurgent or unconventional force.
So, while most agree that ISIS has been virtually destroyed as a conventional threat, the consensus is that they will now blend into the populace and use terrorist and insurgent tactics to stay alive and recoup their losses.
Remember How ISIS was born- they started as Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQIZ) under a particularly nasty MF from Jordan named Zarqawi (AMZ). AMZ was the Al Qaddafi ’emir’ of the Levant, which includes Iraq. AMZ was such a dick that bin Laden told him to tone it down a bit.
AQwas and is a global Islamist insurgency- their goal is to overthrow the takfiri Muslim governments in the Middle East and establish a global caliphate.
ISIS split from AQ over the timing of the caliphate- AQ wanted to wait, ISIS under Baghdadi wants it now.
Either way, at their heart both are insurgent organizations that use every tactic in the book from WME, to terrorism, to cyber, to conventional combat.
They will, by the way, use US withdrawal from Syria as a major component t of their info ops. They will declare victory over the US
The above is obfuscation on your part, Reddevil. You know as well as I do the following definitions:
insurgency: an active revolt or uprising
counterinsurgency: military or political action taken against the activities of guerrillas or revolutionaries
In Syria, the US is supporting a rebel group – the purported “moderates” – against the recognized government of Syria. The US is doing so because the apparent US strategic goal in Syria is regime change with the end result of said “moderate” faction ruling afterwards. Ergo, in Syria the US is assisting an insurgency. In Syria, we are not engaging in any form of counterinsurgency operations.
The fact that the US is also simultaneously opposing a different rebel faction in Syria – specifically, ISIS – does not change the situation. Rather, it only means we are also fighting another rebel group simultaneously.
The situation is analogous to Tito and west-leaning partisans in Yugoslavia under Nazi occupation. Both groups were conducting an insurgency against Nazi occupiers and their local puppet regimes. The fact that they were also fighting each other at the same time doesn’t mean either was conducting any form of “counterinsurgency”; making that claim is abusing the term. More properly, that was simply factional conflict between competing rebel groups.
In contast, in both Iraq and Afghanistan we are supporting the recognized government against rebel forces – ISIS and others in Iraq, and the Taliban and others in Afghanistan. In each of those cases, US activities are indeed supporting counterinsurgency.
Maybe that’s one of the reasons to why their women preferred us over their own men when we were there.
It might be one of those, “Their men hate us because their women love us” kind of thing. 
Careful! May be disturbing to the faint of heart, POGs (same thing) and those who just don’t understand Marine humor. You have been advised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWYvltAfnb8
*grin*
A timeless classic, always brings a tear to me eye.
So the end state would pretty much look like pre-civil war Syria, only with more urban renewal opportunities. They’ve been a Soviet/Russian ally for decades.
And we’re pulling out before we get sucked into that whole “nation building” money pit. What’ve we sunk into Iraq and Afghanistan? And they’re no closer to being functioning American-allied democracies.
Well more than enough to build the wall we need.
Well, if “there really aren’t any good guys- except maybe the Kurds.”, maybe it’s a good idea for Syrians to finally stand up and fight for their country, and it’s time for Americans to let the Syrians do the fighting.
And, as Firebase said, the Russians have been “involved” in Syria for decades.
“but this whack-a-mole bullshit has to cease.” I’d disagree with you on this 2/17… with the caveat that from this point forward, the game is played with tactical nukes…
When in Istanbul try the Khashoggi sushi. I hear it’s to die for.
Pass on the doggie bag with leftovers. Trust me on this.
Does it come with bacon?
NBC and Erdogan has never lied…..you can take it to the bank.
If I were Kurdish I would take this as a serious threat and start stockpiling arms and ammunition quickly.
If we leave, there should be a lot of stuff the Kurds can use, shouldn’t there?
Well, I have seen indigenous folk do amazing things with C-ration cans, and Lord knows our trash was full of them, but I don’t know what they could do with MRE wrappers.
If nothing else listening to the left and the right talk about Syria has been most amusing for several days.
The left put away their anti-war signs the minute Obama was elected and now it appears they are in favor of foreign wars in a land where the fighting doesn’t threaten the USA in any way, shape or form. Obama could bomb more countries, increase the drone program by a factor of ten without a peep from the left, and now because they hate Trump so much they will argue to keep Americans in harm’s way for no real purpose….nice to know how they “care” about the troops.
I’ve never wanted us in the ME, not like we are now as shitty occupiers trying to win hearts and minds of people who are, with every fiber of their being, diametrically opposed to our presence there and our value system.
If we are to be there it should be as conquerors or not at all. It’s not like any of these countries wanted to be great friends with the USA prior to harboring those who would murder us.
Be there to create terror and fear and conquer it all to make it what we want it to be, or don’t go in the first place. Because right now the ME seems like nothing more than a blood and treasure sink without purpose.
If you’re not prepared to make the earth red with the blood of your enemies you’re not prepared to really win. In a war over ideology the holding of land is irrelevant, the elimination of those with the counter ideology becomes paramount.
All of this can be tied, directly, to the naive and inane foreign policy of the previous SCoaMF POTUS. His encouragement of the “Arab Spring” (in reality an attempt by radical Islamists in the affected countries to take power, with apparent US indifference if not acquiescence or outright support). The half-assed (and flatly illegal) US intervention in Libya – followed by the Benghazi debacle – confirmed that the US would do little or nothing if such a regime succeeded in overthrowing a sitting government. Both of those foreign policy debacles indirectly emboldened both ISIS and the factions who began the Syrian civil war. Then we had “red lines” and spending literally hundreds of millions to train a handful of “moderate” Syrian opposition troops, and then finally US troops “supporting”. Gee thanks, Jug-Eared One. As bad as Assad is, he’s likely no worse, and maybe preferable, to any foreseeable potential successor. If such a successor comes from the purported “moderate” opposition (assuming they actually exist), they will be nothing but another dictator as ruthless as Assad. If the successor come from the radical Shiite side, they’ll be worse – and will have strong ties to Iran, a US enemy, and Russia. And if the successor comes from the radical Sunni side, it will simply provide a haven for ISIS. In terms of US interests, none of these are clearly better IMO than Assad. I said some years ago, when all of this was starting: sometimes “better the devil you know . . . . ” really is appropriate. We never should have gotten involved in Syria at all. All we’ve done is to (1) drive Assad more firmly into Russia’s camp; (2) strengthen Iranian influence in the region, and (3) waste a huge amount of time/money/resources and some lives, while simultaneously (4) alienating everyone else there (including our supposed “allies”). And it was clear from day one that this really was a “no win scenario”. In short: Trump inherited the same kind of situation in Syria that Nixon did in Vietnam: the US committed to a war started by his predecessor,… Read more »
“All of this can be tied, directly, to the naive and inane foreign policy of the previous SCoaMF POTUS”
I believe that should be plural–whatever the plural of POTUS is (POTUSes?, POTUSi?). Plenty of blame to go around.
And all without a coherent explanation to, or explicit approval of, the American people. The American people put their trust in the various POTUSes and their expert advisors, relying on their superior knowledge and informed judgements, and wound up with just enough forces in myriad places to accomplish nothing but waste blood and treasure.
What the Turks WILL do is pick up the campaign of ethnic cleaning of the Kurds, our only true ally over there.
“our only true ally”
We have supplied large amounts of money and troops and military and humanitarian aid and have helped protect the Kurds and rid the ME of enemies of the Kurds. The Kurds have helped us to help them. They have benefited at least as much as we have from their efforts. We owe them nothing.