Mark Wisner; VA tickle monster retires
Someone sends us a link dated late last year from KSHB in Kansas City. It tells the story of Mark Wisner who was employed by the Veterans’ Affairs Department and admitted to at least one case of “inappropriately touching” a veteran in his care;
In September, Sen. Jerry Moran questioned VA Secretary Robert McDonald on the handling of Wisner’s case. McDonald maintained Wisner resigned.
An internal e-mail from the VA explains how an investigation on Wisner was opened on May 19, 2014.
During the course of that investigation, Wisner admitted to inappropriately touching at least one patient. That’s when the investigation was expanded, and investigators reached out to the patients he treated over the prior year.
Before the investigation was complete, Wisner filed for retirement and was granted it officially, on June 30, 2014. He is still receiving federal payment and pension as a retiree.
“I can’t just drive up to Washington and start clunking heads together, because I know that’s what everyone wants to do. But wake up. Somebody please wake up,” said [25-year-old Jake Carlson, who received a Purple Heart for his service].
The VA seems to be the swamp that most needs draining.
Category: Veterans' Affairs Department
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They need to complete the investigation, yank that retirement pay, make him pay it back and THROW HIS FUCKING ASS IN JAIL, where he can be on the receiving end of Bubba, Tiny, Thor and Jesus’ tickling.
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Maybe his victim will just go pop his bloated melon.
You have got to be shi**ing me…..
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is the only appropriate response to this.
Well, that and taking a big stick and applying it liberally to this jerk.
What was he “treating” patients for? What was his job? Only part of the story is there.
And how is this clowndog getting away with this?
I hope he dies in a fiery car wreck, dregs like him need to get used to hot temps because at some occasion they’re going to be burning for a long time.
Maggot.
Dude probably touched some old dude’s balls as well.
I really wish they would follow up on these kinds of cases? How do these shitbags get away with collecting a very nice retirement for many years? I can’t even get the VA or the FBI interested in arresting my dear brother for his phony PTSD $3K a month check when he never saw a day of combat, much less ever getting his supposed Purple Heart! I will not rest until his ass is in prison! Burn in Hell David “Doc” Shrum. I hope you get maggots in your ball sack for the rest of your rotten life!!!!
I’ll bet Thanksgiving dinner gets interesting in your family.
Well, let’s start out with something very basic but key. Mark Wisner is a faggot, a queer, a pervert, a homosexual, gay. Does it matter? You bet it does. He worked where there were, what, 90+ % male patients and he liked to play with men when they were unable to kick his fat ass for trying. Then comes the rest. How long has this faggot been doing this? Years? Decades? Someone is going to beat this puke’s ass. I hope they cut his nuts off, hacksaw his dick off, burn his fingers to the bone with a blowtorch and, then, don’t get caught.
Glad to see you want to let him off light, 2/17.
Would some WP help lighten him even more?
Good idea. Up his ass, of course.
He’d probably love that feeling…
Walt Whitman, the famed poet was a dong slurper. He volunteered as a nurse during the civil war. That’s how he trolled for sex.
Can you imagine being some poor guy with your leg missing waking up to him groping you?
Question:
Assume for a moment that you work for a company for 25 years and are vetted into the company’s retirement plan.
Something happens and you get investigated for a crime you committed on the job. You resign.
In the private sector, does one lose their retirement if 1) they are vetted into the retirement plan and 2) are eligible for retirement benefits?
I really don’t know the answer to that question but it seems to me if the answer is that you cannot lose retirement benefits because of a crime being investigated or even committing and convicted of a crime, there is a problem with the laws that protect the retirement itself.
I am just wondering (once again because I don’t know) under what circumstances one can be stripped of retirement benefits if they are eligible?
(Also, what happens to the money the employee themselves puts into the plan if the benefits can be taken away? Is there a windfall for the company in keeping the funds?)
In a private retirement plan, depending on the nature of the plan you as an individual are the owner and holder of the plan especially if you contribute to the plan along with your employer. Any monies the employer adds are in lieu of current compensation and thus is considered to be also your own personal funds and not the company’s money.
When you retire you now receive your money, not the company’s money they have no claim over you or your money once you are no longer employed and they can’t touch your money or your pension.
The times when private employees get fucked on pensions is from companies that self-fund instead of using a reputable pension/insurance company like TransAmerica or MassMutual or MetLife etc…self funded pensions can disappear if the company tanks and you are best to avoid those like the plague you are far better off taking a ROTH IRA or 401(k) 403(b) etc….I like the Roth because it’s available at 59.5 years of age and since it’s post tax investment you have no tax obligation when compared to the tax obligation inherent in the 401 or 403 plans….just my opinion as someone with these options personally, I’m not a financial adviser.
VOV,
Thanks. You pretty much summarized what I thought.\
In the case we are talking about here where a guy is accused of a horrible crime against people in his care, one of the things people are complaining about is that he retired and will be receiving retirement benefits.
If we allow that within the public sector, can we, should we, will we, allow it in the public sector?
As he admitted the “inappropriate touching,” it is fair to say that Wisner is a slime ball of great proportions. Other than putting him in prison (and I have not problems with that) he is still going to get his pension funds no matter what and no matter where he resides.
It just seems wrong on some level that the taxpayers funded this guy’s retirement and gave him a job to sexually assault people and now the taxpayer has no recourse to recover anything.
I don’t think there is a fix, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it.
gitacarver, if he gets charged with a crime and is convicted the judge can order a punitive fine as a component of his conviction. Not sure what the law allows in a case like this but at least some of that money could be chewed up with a hefty financial penalty.
VOV,
Maybe. There are many states that do not allow retirements to be touched when it comes to a judgement. There are some states that allow you to discharge a judgement when you declare bankruptcy.
I asked the original question because a lot of people in the thread were commenting that the butt wipe should lose his pension. I wasn’t sure that was legal and that’s why I asked.
VOV,
I think there are variations state to state as well.
I know that when my father’s company was sold (oil related – as is most everything in Houston) the selling company took their contributions to the pension account with them when they left.
In the end, all he got out of his 30+ years of hard service was what he personally put into his pension. So he ended up with more money from Social Security than from his 30-year pension fund.
I would suspect that whatever money Mark Wisner the Pervert put into his account has to be considered his. But that doesn’t mean that in reparations that money could not be taken by a judge and given to others.
Well Shulkin seems to have his work cut out for him…
As a rule, a civilian retiree from federal service will not lose his pension or retirement benefits if he is fired for misconduct. In the private sector, I would guess that the terms of the employment contract control. In this puke’s case, even though he will receive his benies, I trust that there will be prosecution and he won’t be spending his checks for quite a long time after he spends a bundle for legal representation. And there had better damn well be a prosecution.
Thank you for finding one of my cousins. I was just wondering how Mark was doing.
Cheese,
Dennis Howard Chevalier
Denny H. Chevalier
I’ve never dealt with the VA, not being a vet, but with all the dirt being dug up on them, it seems to me like this particular swamp doesn’t need to be drained so much as napalmed.
Sure you have, TOW. Every time you read these VA-related posts and get pissed off, you are dealing with the VA, indirectly. I wish more people who didn’t have to deal with the VA gave a shit. We saw what happened with oBaMaCare when folks were forced into it. Many didn’t give a shit until their choices of doctor and provider shrank and their premiums skyrocketed. The time to care is before the shit hits home.
If the AFGE union pigs have anything to do with it, VA employees who fall under them will never be held at all accountable, let alone be fired for misconduct. They are violently opposing a current bill that scurrilously demands fed employees be held accountable for their actions in the work place. How dare they?
One reason I hate unions.
The bottom line on retirement is that it is banked. That is, as a rule, an employer can no more deny your retirement benefits than he can demand that you repay him for past years’ service to him. The retirement is something, like your pay and leave benefits, that was earned. It is not an award of some sort for X number of years of faithful and satifactory work.
Correction: It is not a discretionary award of some sort for X number of years of faithful and satisfactory work.
Cocksucker.
I offered a few weeks ago to stand up and run the VA… drop some rat killer on the system and start from scratch, if need be.