Veterans support Trump
Our pals, Thomas Gibbons-Neff and Dan Lamothe at the Washington Post write “Why many veterans are sticking with Trump, even after he insulted a Gold Star family“. They try to explain to the echo chambers of the traditional readership of the Post and to the #NeverTrump bunch why veterans overwhelmingly stick with Trump as the National Security candidate. They quote Jim Webb, Junior, the son of Jim Webb, the former Senator and Navy Secretary and I think he sums it all up pretty well;
“I think there’s a pretty sour taste in a lot of guys’ mouths about Iraq and about what happened there,” said Jim Webb Jr., a Marine veteran, Trump supporter…“You pour time and effort and blood into something, and you see it pissed away, and you think, ‘How did I spend my twenties?’?”
“There’s a mentality that they don’t want to see more of that,” he said, adding that he worried that a Hillary Clinton presidency would result in “continued adventurism,” given her record supporting interventions in Iraq and Libya.
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For Webb, writing in a candidate or voting “out of protest,” is not an option. For all of Trump’s perceived flaws, Webb said, he thinks he is the strongest candidate.
“He is bringing a comprehensive re-examination of how we conduct business,” Webb said. “Whether it’s on taxes or it’s how we’re involved in the world, it’s very sorely needed.”
Veterans see the world differently than their non-veteran peers. We look at it terms of realism – that each nation acts in it’s own interests, or more accurately, acts in the interests of it’s ruling politicians. So, which politician vying for leadership acts more closely in our view of the country’s interests?
The Clintonians and Obamians always consider first how their actions will affect the opinions that other nations will have as a result of their decisions. Whereas a Trump Administration wouldn’t be hamstrung by those considerations – Trump doesn’t seem concerned about what other people think of him.
To wit;
“I’d rather have an a–hole in the office who doesn’t have a filter than a pandering, corrupt hawk who has special interests in mind rather than the American public,” said [David Buzzard, a 26-year-old former Army specialist], who has the light outline of a scar under his left eye, the faint evidence of a roadside bomb that hit his patrol in 2011 in Afghanistan’s Wardak province.
But, don’t worry, the Brandon Friedmans of the world are still solidly in the Clinton camp;
Brandon Friedman, a former Army captain who deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and later served in the Obama administration, pointed to a litany of remarks made by the Republican presidential candidate that disparaged the military and veterans. He also pointed to Trump’s lack of support for the post-9/11 GI Bill, a piece of legislation that has helped thousands of veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan receive a higher education, and Trump’s claims that the U.S. military “doesn’t win anymore.”
“When I see veterans saying things like, ‘He’s proud of the military,’ I don’t think they’re paying attention to the words coming out of his mouth,” said Friedman, who plans to vote for Clinton. “It’s amazing to me that he’s been actively hostile to the veterans community and still retains so much support.”
Brandon Friedman was a founding member of MoveOn.org’s VoteVets and he was brought into the Shinseki VA Department as lead social media propagandist. He’s still one of Shinseki’s apologists, so, you know, his opinion of Trump really doesn’t have much value in a real discussion of facts. Friedman’s understanding of veterans’ issues is sadly lacking in any real substance beyond rank partisanship.
I’m still not sure the best place for my vote in a few months, but I’m sure it won’t go for another Clinton.
By the way, there are more than 2000 comments on the Washington Post article and you probably don’t want to read them.
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One of the main reasons I am for Trump is that he says what he means and means what he says.
The stupid larsy-boi libs have worn out their welcome to me and a ton of other Veterans.
Besides, the bitch of Benghazi deserves a rope necklace, not an inauguration…
Until he doesn’t. Which happens more often than I am comfortable with.
This is why I’ll “dump Trump” the second he bends his knee to the “sound presidential” crowd.
To “sound presidential”, you’ve gotta be bereft of any integrity and parrot whatever speech is written for you by sociopaths who’s only motivation is to manipulate the public.
Right now, Trump saying like he does, means he’s being a hella lot more honest than ANY politician running for ANY office at ANY level of gov for at least as long as living memory.
And his ego comes into play in a bene way too. It’ll be a lot easier to keep his feet to the fire in following through on his words than the usual professional politician with no job training other than lying through his teeth while fronting with a used car salesman’s smarm.
Freidman is another LYING SON OF A BITCH! I have heard Trump NUMEROUS times standing up for Vets, the VA, the military….this guy is another puppy bought and paid for…wtf are army capts anyway…without senior NCO’s they couldn’t find their asses with both hands at high noon!!
Oh, so officer bashing now? And company commanders and some pretty hard working staff officers? Fuck you, troll. One team, one fight.
D,
Brandon Friedman is a partisan hack who, if Jesus Christ returned and declared himself to be a Republican, would vote against him in an election.
Also, I have had the misfortune to know quite a few shitty captains during the time that I was in the military. To the best of my knowledge, only one or two of them were selected for promotion.
For all I know, Brandon Friedman could very well have been a horrible officer. And I’ve known many. However, to defame an entire group over the actions of a few is childish, petty, and lacks understanding of how the military is formed and operates. Frankly, it sounds like the rantings of a disgruntled private.
Establishment politicians have screwed the pooch.
They’ve had their way with most of us and I’m tired of it.
They can now go piss up a rope.
Shillary should get the frecking electric chair, preferably old sparky in Florida.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OymHreGei6U
Or a short rope on a tall limb. Why waste electricity?
Cause it would be fun to watch her flop around like a fresh fish dropped on hot pavement.
Come to think about it, both of our suggestions would accomplish that.
I’m thinking that ‘fish’ is long past being fresh. Also, re Trump, he isn’t speaking from a script that has been carefully worded by dozens of liberal dolts, being careful that what is said does not offend anyone. Except, of course, white people, Republicans, Conservatives, gun owners, etc. Trump’s script is in his heart and head. Wideload’s script is in her checking account and ego. May be difficult for Trump to win, what with the MSM whores attacking every damn thing he does. They have long abandoned any semblance of objectivity. MSM Interview of Wideload: Ms. Secretary, of your many outstanding accomplishments during your long career in service to America and her citizens, of which accomplishment are you most proud? Which accomplishment do you feel is most beneficial to America’s middle class, which has historically borne the brunt of the Republican Party’s assault on women, people of color, education reform and the working class? As a follow up Ms. Secretary, given your great success as Secretary of State in defusing tensions in the Middle East, which country in the Middle East do you feel has most benefited from your obvious negotiating talents? And finally, Ms. Secretary, how is it you are able to maintain civility when speaking of your opponent, when he is obviously in no way qualified to be President? MSM Interview of Donald Trump: Mr. Trump, when did you stop beating your wife? Also Mr. Trump, don’t you feel you are a hypocrite in asking for Secretary Clinton to release transcripts of her speeches when you have failed to release your taxes for the previous 40 years? And, Donald, is it true you accepted a contribution of $15 from a private organization which, as recently as 1961, had as a member an individual who once purchased in a used book store a copy of Mein Kampf? Don, do you have ties to the American Nazi Party and where are those meetings held? Do you get riled up when attending those meetings and take out your anger by beating your wife? Or do you beat your wife, children and… Read more »
I’d prefer she be hanged,she’s not worth the price of the electricity.
How ’bout a hanging while using some sort of line that induces high voltage?
I skimmed the article. It’s just a hit piece masquerading as an examination of Veterans’ support for Trump. We just don’t know any better than to vote for Trump. We are stupid.
Per dicknose John Kerry, if you are smart you go to college, if you are dumb you go to Iraq. Ya know I wouldn’t vote for Jesus Christ himself if he were a Democrat. So yeah us veterans are dumb, but in my case it was Viet Nam instead of college.
Re: “I’m still not sure the best place for my vote in a few months, but I’m sure it won’t go for another Clinton.”
Agree but if my vote doesn’t go to Trump, it goes to Clinton directly or indirectly. Sucks eh?
Disagree, and Johnson takes as many votes from Clinton as Trump. I’m not wasting my vote on Trump since there’s no way he wins in November.
I’ve spent a lot of time over the past year in frank and open environments with numerous mid-level field grade officers (0-4/0-5) from all MOS’s, services and personal backgrounds. It appeared almost universal among that subset that Trump is regarded as a dangerous, embarrassing joke. The same subset also had few good things to say about Clinton, with lots of ire directed toward her email scandal and perceived propensity for pander, but the smug disdain was much more directed toward Trump. Based at least on my anecdotal experience, I believe the vast majority of 0-4/0-5s will hold their noses and vote for Clinton. I haven’t interacted in the same environments with enough lower and senior enlisted, or company grade officers, to gage their thoughts on the election, but think it is interesting nonetheless.
Again, not trying to pretend to be an authority on anything other than to relay my personal observation; others may have completely different experiences.
JAGC!!! The orig JAGC that has been away for so long??? If so, welcome back. We missed you.
Thanks, SJ! I lurk around when I can… Like many of you, I’ve just been busy with work and family, as well as the aforementioned “a lot of time over the past year in frank and open environments with numerous mid-level field grade officers.”
Those officers are both stupid and deluded then. That is not even a rational view. Particularly when one knows where Hillary stands on the military, following orders and regulations, and getting other people killed. Those officers need to go back to the basic school and relearn their duties.
I personally would never refer to these particular groups of officers as stupid in any way. In fact, most of them proved to be as dedicated and competent as anybody, along with reasonably pure motivations for furthering their careers. Poetrooper’s comment re: the Bill Clinton years did not appear to be lost on them either, particularly since the current climate is already on that trajectory.
Apparently Trump’s promise to rebuild our military forces is lost on them…
As is his promise to kick ass at the Veterans Administration…
I think reasonable people can debate the veracity of a Trump (or Clinton) promise…
I’ll just add that I wish I had a choice that is a no-brainer to me like it is for you. This election makes me sad.
I view a Trump promise the same way I view any promise from a politician, it’s just that and nothing more. It may, however serve as an indicator of how that politician is thinking and is inclined to act. When you don’t hear such a promise, as from Hillary, that tells you something as well about what you can expect for our military from her.
And since you haven’t been around here for a while you are unaware that I am also a Trump supporter only in the sense that my vote FOR him will be a vote AGAINST that corrupt bitch. I harbor no brief for Donald Trump.
I find it very difficult to accept that our officer corps could vote for a person whose past has demonstrated that neither she nor her spouse have any sense of personal honor and who are clearly corrupt. A pedophile in the White House…That makes me sad.
A woman at a recent conference I attended said her husband retired from the Navy in 1992 “when things started getting bad.” She was referring to Clinton, of course, and I reminded her that the drawdown started under Bush and Cheney and that Clinton wasn’t sworn in until January 1993. I’m a firm believer that this stuff happens in cycles irrespective of the president.
“the Bill Clinton years did not appear to be lost on them either, particularly since the current climate is already on that trajectory.”
I would much rather retire as an O-5 who can look himself in the mirror than an O-7 or higher who can’t.
Probably why I left the USN as an LCDR.
JAGC, your O-4/O-5 fellows would be well served to go back and look at what Bill Clinton did to the military in the 90’s when he used reductions in force to make good on his promise to reduce “federal employment”.
Both Clinton’s have made no secret of their contempt for the military. And frankly I don’t see how any officer could vote for a person who so cruelly and blatantly lied to the families of the Benghazi dead. In fact. that thought fills me with contempt for anyone who would so cast their vote.
And lastly, it should be a matter of grave concern that there is such a gulf in the political choices of officers and enlisted. That cannot be good.
I forgot to add: Thank God that for every O-4/O-5 there are a few hundred enlisted voters.
Problem is, most of those O-4/O-5 types weren’t even on AD when Billy Jeff was running the show, and if they were, they came in AFTER the “peace dividend” drawdown, when we were well on our way to a hollow force yet again, and would be, had GWB not won and 9/11 not occurred.
Note: neither event in and of itself reversed the Clinton trend. But I submit that we are currently seeing Carter redux wit Obama, and that policy will be on steroids if Clinton is elected.
We might well be giving our kids broomsticks and bicycles to train with in a HRC presidency, and God help us if we end up in a real shooting war again.
As for those mid-level officers? Meh, not like they’ll have to put up with her shit for that long anyway before they get their nice fat retirement checks.
I was in during the early 90’s when the Clinton Curse began, NOT a fun time to serve.
A further question, JAGC: Are you describing the political trend among field grade line officers or fellow JAG officers? I would imagine that being lawyers has some bearing on the outcome inasmuch as the majority of lawyers in America are liberal Democrats.
Disregard…should have reread your original comment.
Old Fart’s Disease strikes again.
Maybe someone should have them read Billy-Jeff’s letter to the college ROTC PMS where he admits he “loathes the military,” and perhaps the account of Hillary, during BJ’s first term, shrieking at an O-6 not to wear his uniform when he comes to the White House. I don’t think anyone can pin “loathing” the military on Trump.
JAGC, what the phuq happens to occifers when they hit O-4/O-5? It’s like they get a mandatory frontal lobotomy. Your anecdotal analysis surprises me not one wit.
I look at it as a means of self preservation. I don’t know who said it, but I always say, “A general without a war is like a sandbox without sand.” Senior field grades have seen a lot of war and how great it is for bennies and promotions. Maybe they view Hillary, strange as it sounds, as the candidate most likely to keep them engaged in the sort of thing that will improve their chances for LTC, COL, or BG.
Not just Field Grade types, NO SHIT,my CO in A-stan was a USMA grad and a die-hard Clintonista to boot! Another one of our Platoon Leaders was a Columbia grad and politically he was to the right of Ronald Reagan.
He didn’t insult any gold star family. Some muzzie asshole did a paid hit piece on him at the Democrat convention, and he responded to it. And he had every right to do so. The son made the sacrifice, not the two muzzie parents. And if they want to open their sucks (well he did, she as a good muzzie momma was not allowed to talk), then they deserve any blowback they get from it. Particularly when they were paid to do it. As to Trump not supporting stuff, he is not in office, so how can he support or not support something? There is no choice here. Trump. Period. The independent is in favor of shrinking the military, and allowing muzzie “refugees” in after vetting them, which we know cannot be done, and a number of other rather troubling positions, and well, Hillary is Hillary. Again it is Trump. Warts and all.
You are correct,sir.
The parents “performance” at the DNC convention was a charade. Someone there handed him the copy of the Constitution he used as a prop. The father is a recognized muslim legal “scholar/authority” on, and proponent of, sharia law. He is also closely connected to the current regime. And he makes a living getting H1B visas for rich muzzies.
^^^^THIS^^^^
You mean getting visas for the rich muzzies who desperately want to get out of the shithole they have created so they can come here to create another sharia law shithole while getting free shit? Those muzzies? Where do they go in the future when America is identical to the garbage dump they left and they want to go elsewhere to create another garbage dump utopia?
Re always having enough bucks for the noloads, but never having enough for seniors and others whose existence has actually benefited America, I read today the SS COLA will be in the neighborhood of 0.2%. Yes, the decimal is in the correct place. But, not to worry, to make up for the massive increase of $2 for each $1000 we currently earn, the cost of Medicare will be going up well in excess of 0.2%. I’ve read the Medicare increase will have two numbers to the left of the decimal, such as, for an example, 20.0%. I don’t know what I would have done with that extra $2. I’m glad I’m able to return it to the government due to increased Medicare premiums. That way the grubbermint can put the money to good use in feeding, housing, educating, medicating, etc. those here after vacating the shithole they have created elsewhere.
Will someone wake me and tell me I’ve been living a dream for the past several decades, and particularly the past 8 years? Please?
HMC….hopefully you read the 13th from the bottom. The one where Lostcause says those of us over the age of 50 are an uneducated lot who will vote for Trump. If that means what I think it does, Lars is suggesting anyone over 50 with an education will be intelligent(?????) enough to deliver Shillery their vote. Now I may not have a lick of sense, but my pet gerbil named Lassie would have enough sense to vote. And it would not be for the witch.
Being a veteran or a member of a Gold Star family generates an automatic level of respect for their service and/or sacrifice, but…
It does NOT inoculate them from being JERKS.
Webb’s “explanation” is just bizarre. Veterans are against Hillary because she’s too hawkish? Uh, yeah, no.
The answer is simple: As a group, veterans generally skew towards the conservative, and since the Republicans are the nominally “conservative” party it’s to be expected that veterans, in general, would be more receptive to the Republican candidate, no matter who it is.
There is also the well-known disdain that the Clintons have always had for the military.
As far as Trump’s appeal to conservatives and republicans, I think I can understand that too: Republicans and conservatives have been vilified, denigrated, and ridiculed by the “opinion makers” in media, academia and the entertainment industry for a couple of decades now and when a candidate comes along who, instead of kowtowing to the opinion makers and playing their game, throws insults right back in their smug, condescending faces, it’s like a breath of fresh air.
That’s why nobody really cares what Trump’s “positions” are on any one issue or another. Conservatives just like that they finally have a candidate who fights instead of meekly rolling over for the self-appointed intelligentsia.
I despise Trump, but I understand his appeal.
“In the Royal Navy, we always choose the lesser of two weevils.” Patrick O’Brian
If Trump said we don’t win wars anymore I’ll bet he was referring to the decisions of our leadership in war, not the performance of our members in the Military.
Bluntly, in the long run we have not won a war for a very long time. Korea ended with an armistice, Vietnam poorly, Gulf War I was a 100 day FTX with a four day live-fire at the end, Gulf War II was mismanaged by two administrations into an arguable loss, as was Afghanistan. We have not truly won a major war since WWII, albeit with significant input and assistance from the present administration. If there is a common thread, it is that the MILITARY was able to win the war but ever more restrictive policies and ROE from civilian leadership has cost us dearly.
I’d be interested to hear your take on Grenada and Panama if you have the time. Thanks.
Those were battles, not wars, Manchu. My battalion and brigade of the 101st Airborne won every battle with the enemy in Vietnam, forcing them to withdraw from the battlefield in every engagement, as was the situation with almost all American units, yet the politicians still lost the war for us.
That’s the point David is making.
No doubt Poe. I knew more than my peers about Vietnam as a child born in 1971. I grew up staring at the 101st patch until I shipped off at the age of 17. Thank you for your service…. Too bad our politicians didn’t support victory that you generation was ready to claim.
Welcome Home!!!
OldManchu- agree that those were very successful operations but they were very short and relatively small to be called wars. Grenada, total, had less than a cav regiments’ worth of participants on an island with a lower population than Green Bay, Wisconsin. Panama was roughly three times the size (27K) and was effectively over in two weeks. Actions, battles, yes – wars, not really. They were, however, with the first Gulf War, some of the few successful engagements the civilian leadership didn’t eventually screw up. Please understand I am not in any way denigrating the participants – just saying that in anything approaching the length and troop commitments of, say, a corps and above – we have not been allowed to be successful, one way or another.
Plus, Grenada and Panama weren’t “screwed up” in that sense because they were over before the political “leadership” got their dickskinners on it and screwed it up.
DS/DS ensured we would be back because we didn’t take out Saddam the first time. It also ensure that we would be fighting an insurgency when we did go back because Bush 41 pulled the proverbial rug out from under the Shias in southern Iraq.
Thanks David. I truly just wondered about your thoughts. And I agree.
I am a Panama veteran. Looking back as an older man I realize how quick we got out of the country. I often wonder what it would have been like if we didn’t. I had no idea at the time what the hell was happening. I didn’t take your comment negatively at all. Thanks for the reply.
What we did in Panama is what we should have done in Afghanistan. With the warning to the Afghanis that if we had to come back, we would turn their country into a parking lot.
I look at it this way, if/when Trump gets in most of his ideas and proposed changes will never see the light of day. everything he tries to push will be scrutinized and dissected before it even hits the floor to be voted on. the quacks in DC will not sit idly by and make compromises like they currently do when the current POTUS whips out his mighty pen.
If Hillary is elected it will be 4 more of the same, she will push her agenda using the mighty pen that is past down and no one will oppose or challenger her agenda. Therefore, the one that will do the least amount of damage is going to be Trump. I am not for Trump but I am against Hillary and since there isn’t a better alternative that has a chance Trump is the only option.
For me it all boils down to one thing. One candidate wants to continue the lunacy of the past 8 years and the other does not.
^^What QM1 Said^^
“By the way, there are more than 2000 comments on the Washington Post article and you probably don’t want to read them.”
Clueless fuckers.
We’re talking about Post readers, Crippie. There’s another kind of reader?
And I wouldn’t get too worked up about it anyway. I posted over there for about a week until I got the boot. I dropped a nice email to their moderators opinion that all points of view should be allowed there, to which their reply was, “No we don’t.”
They’re basically DU/Kos masquerading as journalists.
Their moderators that all points of view.
Ease up on me, people. I’ve been dealing with granola heads for the past week.
For me it is as simple as ABC!
Anybody But Clinton!
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Democratic part is the anti American party. The veterans that support that are the ultimate blue falcons.
What a bunch of O-4’s and O-5’s think is of ZERO importance or consideration to me when it comes to voting. Hell, they are just like any other gub. employee in D. C.; interested in keeping their jobs and looking forward to a cushy life after retiring. Do these people not remember Benghazi, the email scandal, the Clinton Foundation, reference to an explanation of the word “is”, Clinton looking squarely into a camera and saying, |”I did not have sexual relations with that woman”, all the women that accused Bill of affairs and even rape, the bitch’s contempt for the military, her statement, “What difference does it make at this point & time?”, and on and on it goes. Trump would not be a favorite choice of mine, and he may well carry baggage not welcome by most educated voters….but he is not of the same mold and character of his opponent. Which, IMHO, is as close to the Anti-Christ we could expect to see in this lifetime.
Why even mention the opinions of the upper level officers to those of us who have actually made real sacrifices out in the field? Their opinion is as important to many of us as the whereabouts of Pee Wee Herman these days.
Do yourself a favor and read the majority of comments in response to your declaration. I’ll kiss your ass if they favor by majority what your all-so-important associates reflect. Good try, if that was your intention. You have been away so long that apparently you have forgotten the T A H crowd is not the National Enquirer crowd. As long as any person retains memories on this site, the Clintons will NEVER be a favorite.
Considering Officer mistrust and distant for enlisted while being huge hypocrites it makes perfect sense many of them would be Democrats. You literally cannot get any more elite is America than you can as an officer in the armed forces so I can see the allure of subscribing to a party that defines it.
Yeah yeah, I know there are some good US military officers out there, but you damn well know what I described you’ve met while serving too.
Right. I don’t care where Pee Wee Herman is, but I’d give a buck to know the whereabouts of Hoffa.
Re these 0-4/5, I couldn’t give a FF what they think. IMO (and it’s mine so I’m entitled to it), they are simply embryonic civil servants or in the process of becoming defense contractor stooges or consultants or whatever those of such character are known. Keeping it safe until they can retire and sell themselves out for the really big bucks. I’d go so far as to say they will vote for whomever they believe will represent a continuation of the current business-as-usual fiasco. Do I believe that at heart they are genuine ‘progressives’? Hell no. They don’t like Trump b/c he can’t be bought, while history suggests wideload will hit her knees for any amount in excess of $3. They, too, are hitting their collective knees in support of a candidate who has a proven history of contempt for the military. THEIR military. That, IMO, makes them little more than sellouts for a buck.
Hillary disrespected 196 gold star families by starting the Iran Nuclear Deal. We know at least 196 troops were killed in Iraq by Iranian made IEDs.
Death seem to be the only thing she does right.
Veterans do not support Trump. Only a minority percentage of veterans support Trump. The majority of them are white males over 50 who are not particularly well educated.
However, since the majority of veterans dislike Hillary Clinton, Trump benefits in polls. I would not call those that hate Hillary “Trump supporters”. Opposing Hillary and supporting Trump are not the same thing.
Many will likely not turn out to vote for either.
Loco! Whadap, mah bizzle?!?
If by “educated” you mean your thrice-weekly mutual masturbation session at the local Bezerkley coffee klatsch, then count me as proudly unducated.
Besides, as you’ve proven oh so many times, education and intelligence don’t necessarily corrolate.
BITCH, PLEASE!!! Yeah, candyassed lollipop-up-the-ass unicorn-lusting Smurf-hugging fart apples like YOU want Hitlery Cankles with visions of unicorns farting Skittles-flavored glitter in your face, but those of us in the real World see Trump as the only real choice!
A poll just last week has miltary households choosing Trump over “Cankles” by ten percent.
Veterans as a whole still prefer Trump over Hillary by about the same margin.
I love how you assume that not being particularly well educated is something negative. Guess its that Berkley education in play, you’re so much smarter than those around you.
You also imply that their lack of education means they are naive or stupid. Typical liberal. Think my way or I’ll make you feel like an idiot.
He’s just copying John Kerry philosophy… you know, about winding up in Irak if u R stoopid and stuff.
Lars Comrade Poodle Dik Taylor; do you really think you are going to slip back in here unannounced and spew your liberal bullshit to a crowd interested in total fuckery???? Hell man, even if every swingin’ dick forgot your name, your first sentence is the dead giveaway. So how much is Shillery paying you to talk shit?? “Veterans do not support Trump”, my ass! Your so-called “minority percentage of veterans who support Trump are not particularly well educated”. There you go again making such an obvious ass out of your half thimbleful brain. You damned retard, you ALWAYS have to know it all don’t you? I’m one of those you lump in your stupid ass category. And FUCK YOU Commie Lovin’ motherfucker who made the claim on this very web site…..”People who are afraid of Communism are foolish”. Without a doubt, the most uneducated shit-for-brains comment EVER written on this web site. And you call yourself educated? According to what? And you base your dumb ass assumption on what? Something some pseudo intellectual pinhead professor at Berkley has told you is FACT???? Yes, I’m over 50 and voting for Trump. Yep, I have only one year of college….but my limited intelligence clearly rivals your inadequacy on any given day. You have AS USUAL again come on this web site intent on pissing off a bunch of veterans who crawled, kicked and screamed, shot and killed an enemy sometimes to prevent one’s self from being killed, sometimes to simply remove those who would present this country harm. You punk ass sissy girl bitch. Until you know exactly what REAL sacrifice is, just shut the hell up and stay the hell out of this conversation. You Gook motherfucker, you probably wear a pointed straw hat on campus or to the local bath house just to identify with the damned enemy. You stupid piece of shit….by spreading such stupid ass rumors that “many will likely not turn out to vote for either”; obviously dirt bags like you hope to influence voters the same way the general media does. You are not fit to… Read more »
Folks: I’m convinced Lars doesn’t believe the stuff he posts. He’s grinning as he types his post, knowing it will tick off his readers. He starts off with: “Veterans do not support Trump. Only a minority percentage of veterans support Trump.” Well, it can’t be both. Which is it? At what point does ‘a minority’ become ‘no’? Again you have resorted to using an absolute. In this case, it is the word ‘no’ which means zero, zip, nada. So, do NO veterans support Trump or only a minority percentage support Trump? Can’t have it both ways. Please clarify. Please at least try to be sober when posting. Some of your stuff could be dissected by a 5th grade debate team. My being stupid would explain why I’m voting for Trump. Damn, I was wondering what was causing me to support him. Thanks for the insight. I feel much better now that you have explained it to me. I thought it was b/c wideload was a lying, corrupt, dishonest, murderous, possibly drunken entitled bitch who also has demonstrated a hatred for the military. My being stupid would really simplify my motives. I appreciate your ‘splainin that to me. Anyway, I am convinced you don’t believe all the stuff you post. And I’m also convinced I’m entirely comfortable with myself and my motivation in support of Trump. Concerning being uneducated, some of those I know who are 50+ y/o may not be educated in the sense of having college degrees, but I can assure you they are intelligent. Many ‘educated’ people, perhaps yourself included, are consumed with an exaggerated sense of importance. Those are often the blue blood liberals who know better than the uneducated-though-intelligent masses. Translation: They are eaten up with themselves and their imagined self importance. I’ll take honest, honorable men and women who have made a commitment to support this country by wearing Her uniform over the educated people needing additional safe space on campus so as not to be offended by micro aggression and hurtful words. You know the kind I’m describing. AKA Weak Kneed Pussies. So, which… Read more »
This Vietnam Vet is for Trump.
After Reading a Big Chunk of the 45,000 plus e-mails from the DNC and from billarys server and other sources we are fucked if we put that crazy bitch in office or any other open boarder nut jobs plain and simple anybody but Hillary
The United States military follows the orders if the CNC…we do not differentiate on whether the candidate we voted for wins or loses…
WHY are we allowing it to happen now?
I cannot recall anytime that the military community was thrust into politics, whether it be AD, Retired or Veterans with an Honorable Discharge…
Please let’s remember our oath to our country…
Let’s not let politics plague US! We are all brothers and sisters…
Seems the United States is quickly forgetting this…I’d it the marketting?
John Kerry, to his everlasting regret, injected the military into the 2004 campaign in a big way. Then the brave Swift Boat Veterans stepped up and torpedoed his sorry ass, sinking the Democrat party’s hopes for that year.
Both parties had veterans taking sides with far more on the Republican. It’s nothing new, gyrene.
Point taken and thank you for that..Al
USMC 8151 – yes we are all Brothers and Sisters. And that is now all the more reason to get involved in politics as those brothers and sisters who are still on Active Duty need leadership that will take care of them.
Looking back at the history of our nation, politics is what basically brought about the military and has ever since. We get the call when the politicians fail. It is only right that we should actively be involved in the process of selecting our political leadership.
Veterans make up a pretty substantial voting block nowadays and can make a difference. Until the results are decided we have every right to differentiate and bitch and moan all that we want, and if still serving will respect the CinC. We remember our oath but also remember that allegiance to the President comes after allegiance to the Constitution.
ONE thing that makes me want to vote for Trump is the amount of DC insiders on BOTH sides of the aisle screeching and shitting their pants while speaking against him. if he shakes the proverbial apple tree that much, I consider that a positive attribute. He’s NOT a lifelong politician and he’s not beholden to the establishment.
Again, for those in back who didn’t hear it the first hundred times, Trump did not insult a Gold Star family. He made a mocking comment in bad taste about the wife of a political tool. That tool used his Gold Star to attack Trump, then wanted to hide behind it as a shield after he dishonored it, and all the rest of us. For good measure he dared to say his son’s heroic sacrifice was his sacrifice. In the Gold Star world, that is blasphemy. I refer to him as Mr. Cindy SheehanKhan.
As for Trump being good for our military and veterans, I really don’t know. But I do know HRC (use your imagination, is that an acronym or initials) has been, is and will be bad for our current and future military as well as for our veterans.
I wonder what Lt Col (ret) Robert (Master) Bateman thinks about Hump and Trillary…..
Several years ago, I told someone if Hillary were the Democrat candidate, and the Republican candidate had horns, a tail, cloven feet, and carried a pitchfork, I would vote for him enthusiastically. After an entire adult lifetime of observing the democrats actively turn their backs on the military community, active and veteran, I am unlikely to vote for a Democrat candidate for president. In the case of Hillary, I am more likely to have a midlife epiphany and come around to the idea that I love giving blowjobs to dirty hobos down at the bus station than vote for that treasonous c**t. There is not a whole lot Trump can do to not get my vote.
Sad to see so many of you guys betray your core values so you can say,”My side won!”