Mabus scurries to make his SJW mark on the Marines
You’ve probably heard that Ray Mabus, the Secretary of the Navy, has charged the Marine Corps to focus on the integration of women into combat jobs and their priority this Winter is to change the names of some of their military occupational specialties in order to “gender integrate” job titles because that’s what’s important. Here’s his letter in that regard. Mabus addresses that in the last paragraph of the first page;
So I guess “reconnaissance man” will be replaced by “reconnaissance being” or something similar. Thanks to Mick for sending us the letter.
Meanwhile, Marine General John Kelly is focused on the important stuff. He doesn’t believe that the social justice warriors, like Mabus, will keep their promise to leave the standard for training alone, according to US News;
“They’re saying we are not going to change any standards,” Kelly told reporters at the Pentagon. “There will be great pressure, whether it’s 12 months from now, four years from now, because the question will be asked whether we’ve let women into these other roles, why aren’t they staying in those other roles? Why aren’t they advancing as infantry people?”
Kelly, who has been a Marine for 45 years and served three tours in Iraq, said the sole basis for change in the military should be whether the change will make units more lethal.
“If the answer to that is no, clearly don’t do it. If the answer to that is, it shouldn’t hurt, I would suggest that we shouldn’t do it, because it might hurt,” Kelly said.
Hey, that sounds familiar – where have I read that before? Oh, yeah, that’s hat I’ve been writing in these pages for years. the Marines, you might remember, led the other services in determining whether integration would work and they had their concerns about the whole plan. Secretary Mabus dismissed the findings of their experiments, you know, based on his years of experience (actually, he has two years of service as a “surface warfare officer” aboard the USS Little Rock while it was mostly in dry dock at Boston Naval Shipyard).
I’ve also read about how the Marines are supposed to integrate women into basic training. The Marines are the only service that has separate training for men and women, which makes sense to me. they should be training and learning to be Marines without all of the ancillary BS that would go along with the integration process. Like the current discussion of how the “H”-shaped buildings don’t give women privacy, because, for the same reason they can’t be bothered to lower the toilet seat, they can’t pull the window-blinds closed either.
So how does all of the social justice BS make the Marine Corps more lethal, Secretary Mabus? I’ve been waiting for an answer to that question for about five years now.
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I feel sorry of the USMC.
Mabus is a tool and needs to go.
Hopefully they will jam this up until a replacement steps in.
Glad I am out.
Retention and recruitment are about to go down the tubes.
And while the SJW’s are at it maybe they will come up with a rule that states it must be a requirement to have served in the Armed Forces in order to be appointed a Secretary of the service(s).
Unfortunately that wouldn’t weed out Mabus, even if he spent his whole brief career on a ship out of the water.
Agreed.
But I was referring more so to the tool the Army is about to bring in….
I can hear it now, when a Marine gets wounded on the field of battle, he is going to holler out “Corpsperson Up”. Ain’t gonna happen.
Reminds me of when the government changed “Workman’s Comp” to “Worker’s Comp” back in the 70’s. How did that work for them?
“Corpsperson Up”? Naw. he’ll call for a corpseman. Just ask Obama.
Yeah.
No instead of “Turd” we will need to also use “Turdette”.
Isn’t that a speech impediment?
Turdette Syndrome?
It is my opinion that a.h.’s like mabus come up with this worthless shyt just to justify their positions…the know nothing, do nothing and don’t even suspect anything!!
Joe Shit The Ragperson?
Yeah, let’s see how that will go over in the Navy. NO Corpsman, Construction man and Air crewman. You guy’s get it…We use Man hours and Man Days for tracking time how is that going to fly..
Believe it or not, they want to get ride of the term for the rank of Seaman. What are the newbies going to be called Sailor Recruit, Sailor Apprentice, and Sailor? Sounds like some Japanese anime show!
Need the edit button back. “… get rid …”, not “… get ride …”
Um, actually the “preferred” term these days is “staff hours” or vice man hours.
No, I’m not joking.
“So how does all of the social justice BS make the Marine Corps more lethal, Secretary Mabus?”
It will make the Marine Corp more lethal, for the Marines.
Constructionman = Construction Specialist?
Hospital Corpsman = Medical Specialist?
Aircrewman = Air Crew Specialist?
Reconnaissance man = Reconnaissance Specialist?
Photographers Mate PH/Journalist JO/Lithographer LI/Illustrator Draftsman DM (don’t ask) = all combined into one single bit of fluff: Media Communications Specialist, because digital imaging and media have completely eliminated the need for hands-on applications that involve paper – right?
Oh, well – powder monkeys, who loaded cannons and mortars, are no longer needed because modern munitions technology took those jobs out of business.
Do Boatswain’s Mates still have to tie knots and make sails from scratch out of available canvas?
Infantryman = Population Control Specialist
But what about me? Am I no longer to be a Battalion Mailclerk?
No more, “hey, mailman!” ????
Now I would be a Battalion Person-clerk carrying person in the person-bag, and occasionally dropping outbound person items in the person-box.
And no, “person-person” is no improvement.
Infantry-person / person-clerk
……
Sheeeesh! I miss the old days…….
Relax. You’re still a mailclerk.
Mail is defined as ‘messages sent by one individual to another’.
Male is defined as ‘of the male sex’. Has nothing to do with ‘mail’.
Those words are too big for an 11bangbang. Try grunts, looking it directly in the eyes then throw something. He’ll get it.
That’s all good but we have all kind of book’s with that shit written all over. You know how many times we use the word man day and man hour in a book… SHIT…..
Well, no matter how much the socjusmorons try to eliminate the word ‘man’ from the HUMAN language, it ain’t gonna happen.
I’ll still use it, as will people who don’t have their heads up their behinds. (I’m being nice this morning.)
MC = Mass Communication Specialist.
Just like PN & DK went to PS (Personnel Specialist), and SK/PC/AK went to LS (Logistics Specialist), and MS/CS/SD went to CS (Culinary Specialist). There was a message released a couple weeks back making all the E-8 BU/EA/SWs into a CUCS (Constructionman) as they had done previously with the same ratings at the E-9 level.
The times they are a changin’…
I guess all the AOs, AWs, DCs, ENs, HMs, LNs, MNs, MRs, PRs, SHs, UTs, YNs, Naval Aircrewmen, and every E1-E3 are next on the chopping block since that evil “man” term is in their rating too. And I’m sure I forgot some in that list…
What about “shythead”? are they now called excrement noggin? or poopoo cabeza?
Now those trained in ITB are scampering to be the first “female rifleman”, doing everything they can to get in the public spotlight. That is not, nor was it ever, what this institution is about.
It seems that the combat effectiveness of the force has taken a back seat. I feel sorry for those who have to pay the price for such asshattery.
Does all this integrated training stuff mean when a Marine DI addresses a mixed squad of trainees, rather than say “when I call ATTENTION, I want to hear 7 pussies sucking air” and not 13 or 14? Just wondering.
Oh, that’s easy. The DI will say ‘7 anal orifices’ instead of pussies.
With open squad bays as barracks, I can’t wait until the first female DI turns the lights on in the morning and says, “Drop your cocks and grab your socks”.
I want to see her as she walks down the line of 60 young Marines with morning wood. Those boxers they issue don’t really hide much at that moment.
My guess is if the Corps is forced into this they will not lower standards and just fail out women for not meeting the same standards. There will be far less women in the Corps for a while.
Don’t overlook the fratenization and increase in sexual assault that is bound to happen.
Mabus is a tool. I hope he has a granddaughter that signs up for this nonsense.
I would love to hear his sorry ass then.
What he cannot seem to get is that USMC is not the Navy. Its a VERY different animal. So what works in the Air Force and navy does not necessarily apply to the USMC.
The stupid ass doesn’t know , it doesn’t work in the Navy either…he is a pathetic piece of work!
0341 will now be called a Mortarperson.
Thanks to MOS changes and integration of WACs, I was variously designated an automotive repairman, tank automotive repairman, combat vehicle repairman, combat vehicle repairer without ever changing my MOS. I always thought it interesting that organizational maintenance guys were mechanics while field maintenance types were repairmen.
I guess SEAL wiLl become..WALRUS. John was the Walrus or was that Paul.
Paul. John was the one who sang the phrases in question. (smile)
I wrote this, now it is gone so I’ll write it again for the NSA.
So I guess a SEAL, will become a WALRUS. John was the Walrus or was it Paul.
Hey, Sparks…you’re showing our age… 🙂
AnotherPat…Ain’t it da truth! Wow what a brain spasm.
Mabus is probably scared of those big black boom sticks and people carrying out in the open… just another one of those politically correct SJW’s.
He probably enjoys taking it in the two-hole…
Are those his real teeth?
“Kelly, who has been a Marine for 45 years and served three tours in Iraq, said the sole basis for change in the military should be whether the change will make units more lethal.”
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2016/01/08/marine-general-predicts-lower-standards-women-combat/78526492/
Wouldn’t it be more to the point to improve armor so that it is lighter, more protective of the wearer’s entire body, and allows the wearer an assist in carrying heavy loads?
I know there’s work being done on exoskeletons, but the implementation is down the road.
Oh, hell, why not just build robots and send them in, instead of people? The parts can be recycled and the robots won’t complain about their menstrual cycles.
Doing that very thing would level the playing field. It would take the physical component out of the mix.
Until then, the fantasy of equality is going to cost lives. We will become less lethal on the battlefield. Standards must be lowered or special elevated performance standards will have to be used.
The bottom line is; when using the male standards, almost all currently serving women Marines can not pass the minimum physical standards to become a Marine. That is not opinion, that is fact.
The notion of equality will result in the few who do pass not being promoted. Even if a handful do pass, promotions in the Corps are weighted heavily on PFT (Physical Fitness Test) scores.
During most of my career I always did 20 pull ups, 80 sit ups in 2 min, and ran 3 miles in 18-21 minutes depending on how sober I was at the moment.
Of the few women who can meet the minimum standards to become a Marine using the male scores, almost none of that small number will be able to compete for promotion on an equal playing field.
This will result in almost no women in the Corps or a lowering of standards.
If everyone could be a Marine, we wouldn’t be the Marines.
Bullshit on leveling the playing field.
The damned things would fail. When failed they’d still have to be carried. In every aspect, a dumbass boondoggle.
And, even when they do work, they’d not “level the playing field” in any way that actually mattered.
You’d still have a bunch late teen and early 20somethings mixed together in high psycho compression situations. You’d still have units where the members were so busy playing sex acquisition games that they’d be completely useless as a warfighting outfit.
The utopianists can run their c*m sumps all they want about “professionalism” and all their other brain dead bullshit but human nature is exactly what it is and will never, ever be what the utopianists demand it be to fit their current idiocy. That’s why utopianisms always, without exception, turn into mass death games.
Being a grunt in the field is not in any way what so ever even remotely like any other military job. And, this last war, with it’s convenient FOBs is NOT going to be the format for all our future wars, no matter how much those who can NOT think any deeper than the bottom of their own bellies want to pretend it will be.
There WILL be wars in our future where our infantry are “outside the wire” for most, if not all, their deployed time. That has happened before, it will again.
Non infantry have no more clue on how it is to be infantry than your average leftard college student has on how it is to be military.
Hell, even mech inf haven’t a clue on how it is to be light inf. Just like light inf has no clue how it is to be spec ops of whatever sort or type.
But you don’t understand, Dave Hardass. This isn’t about making the Marines more lethal. It’s about making them look better in parades and stuff. We’re not supposed to be fighting wars. We’re supposed to kiss the feet of people who want to kill us with no remorse.
Now when you understand that, you’ll stop running or whatever and become the lovable slob your really want to be, underneath it all.
Underneath it all…I am…only dreaming of you.
I have to admit I always liked Marines better than sailors. The sailors had no table manners. The Marines were always nice to me. Incorrigible flirts.
I miss that.
Keep going, Hardass. I could eat this up with a spoon.
World peace would be nice, too.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for either. The laws of physics and the nature of mankind impose limits on what we can do.
Is this guy any relation to General P.X. Kelly?
P.X. Kelley
2 P.X. Kelley stories:
Pentagon arrivals are usually 2-3 songs by the band and the dignitary arrives. This time they knew he would be late, so the S3 had the Generals stand in the shade while they waited (Cat 5). P.X. stood in the sun opposite the MC platoon the entire time.
We practiced a joint retirement for Gens Kelley and Wickham and the practice took over an hour. That was just the pomp and before all the speeches. Day of the event all the Joint Cheifs showed up in whites (Cat 5 again). We get 30 minutes into it and it was speech time. Admiral Crowe’s introduction was 45 minutes. Wickham did about the same. P.X. Kelley walked to the microphone and said, “my boys have been in the sun too long, pass in review!” And the retirement ceremony was over.
I loved that man.
I was in that retirement ceremony. Kelley had a keg of beer delivered to our (army) day room, and I imagine all the other services as well. The Coast Guard’s platoon commander fell out, was put back in, and fell out again. It was $(_:@#! Hot that day, that’s for sure.
Prior Service, Then we know each other.
It was 2 kegs, I believe. One the day of, and I think we got another from the CG of MDW later in the week. I always thought the first came from the CO or BC.
Out of curiousity: Does the Navy use the term ” Man Overboard” anymore? Or is there just not enough Manpower to come up with a new term for that?
I think “secretary” is a good title for Mabus-
“Bitch – fetch me some coffee and type up some stuff!”
Oh, and while you’re fetching my coffee, make me a sammich.
The individual no longer serves the military needs. The military now serves the individual’s desires.
Rest assured that this SJW crap will make the Marines a lot more dangerous…for Marines.
mabus will fail in his effort to pussify the Marine Corps. He has again proven he knows nothing about the tradition or the mission of the Marine Corps.
At this time, there appears to be Marine General Officers that still recognize the lethal purpose of the military. The Marine Corps will not sacrifice well trained, lethal and effective elements of their force to satisfy political correct social engineering.
Mabus’s job ends this year, doesn’t it? He’s a twit. If you guys want me to, I’ll send him a memo telling him to shut the frell up and stop wasting my tax money on unimportant shit.
Mabus, you’ve destroyed the Navy and now you’re working on destroying the Marine Corps. Thanks for nothing. Remember, it’s not always who gets elected, it’s also who gets appointed. This guy is a perfect example.
This action just shows how out of touch Mabus really is.
Seriously he wants a plan by January 15? Doesn’t he know what the staffing time at the Pentagon is?
You can’t even get a Red Top Tasker through in 5 days.
It’s taking 6 months and counting to get a 3star signature on a memo updating a DoDI.
As for the ‘substance’ of his memo, I believe the Commandant has said “I’ll get back to you after I talk to SecDef.”
RIP U.S. Marine Corps
1775-2016
What the hell are they trying to do with my beloved Corps?
Dude, c’mon. Everyone knows Radar was Army. Didn’t you ever watch MASH? (smile)
While it may not be perfect the Corps is a great place for competent, driven females to excel.
The fucking clowns infesting the current administration are looking to create an environment where the Corps is going to be forced to adopt such a high standard for females that it’s going to discourage recruits and have a huge failure rate.
I feel sorry for the female Marines who have several years in and have been having great careers who are now going to be forced into meeting male PFT standards because a gaggle of SJW want to put females in the infantry.
80% of the hard charging females who were carefully screened and took part in the intregrated combat tests dropped out,,, The other 20% that finished said straight up they did not want to have it as an MOS.
“So how does all of the social justice BS make the Marine Corps more lethal, Secretary Mabus? I’ve been waiting for an answer to that question for about five years now.”
It does make The Marine Corps more lethal. It makes it more lethal for every Marine serving.
Actually, Mabus’ honest reply would be more like the following:
“It doesn’t. But that’s what the boss wants, and I’m too much of a wuss to tell him he’s out to lunch.
Hell, as SECNAV I didn’t even have the backbone to address allegations about one of my Admirals concerning embellishment of his bio and punted that to the SECDEF. Did you really expect anything different from me on this issue?”
Well here is the first one thay wants to bow up. Shes a Supply Corporal in the Wing that went through SOI then did the study for those few months.
She has been through a bit but we shall she handles the real deal. Good Luck Corporal Cruz
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2016/01/08/marine-expects-one-first-female-riflemen/78438834/
Something that the article fails to mention, Cpl Cruz did not initially pass ITB, she had to be recycled to meet the minimum male PFT in order to graduate.
Ask the people of Mississippi what they think of Mabus. He was run out on a rail after his failed governorship. The only reason why he’s SecNav is because he’s a Democrat lapdog who will do anything to maintain a cool title, to include destroying the service.
I didn’t want to say anything but sense the Mississippi thing was brought up. In 2011-2012 he used Seabee home port battalions out of Gulf Port MS to build a recreation park and baseball field for his home town Petal MS. I’m just saying sometimes they say follow the Money…
Control the language, control the debate. We’ve seen this with everything in politics. Aliens vs. migrants; men vs. youths; rifle vs. assault weapon; seaman vs. sailor. etc…
ImpleMENtation plan, Ray?!?!?!? I’m offended.
I haven’t posted a lot here in this thread, because every time I see that ape-shit grinning in that photo, I want to smack a cream pie right in his face.
For saying that, I apologize to all cream pie launchers everywhere, but as long as it’s banana cream (ick), I swear…. never mind.