MRFF; more grievance for “Crusaders”
Bobo sends us a link to the Army Times which reports the missed-named Military Religious Freedom Foundation has found something else to give them fits. Echo Company of the 212th Aviation Regiment has an evil cross on the signage outside their headquarters at Fort Rucker. According to the 212th Regiment’s webpage, they train “Initial Entry Rotary Wing Students in UH-60A, OH-58C, and TH67A+ helicopters. The unit also conducts the Army’s only non-rated Crewmember Standard Instruction. In addition, the battalion supports allied military training mission.” Apparently it’s only Echo Company that calls themselves “Crusaders” and uses the evil image of the cross on their sign.
The logo of Echo Company, 1st Battalion, 212th Aviation Regiment, based at Fort Rucker, Alabama, contains “blatantly unconstitutional Christian Crusader imagery” and should be discontinued immediately, Military Religious Freedom Foundation president and founder Mikey Weinstein wrote Monday in an email addressed to Maj. Gen. Michael Lundy, commanding general of Fort Rucker and the Army Aviation Center of Excellence.
MFers claim to have a membership of 40,000 members of the military, you know, like IVAW claimed thousands of invisible members.
Weinstein’s letter to Lundy asks the general to launch “an aggressive investigation and insure visible and appropriate punishment for any and all individuals (including yourself) who are either directly or indirectly responsible for this unconstitutional injustice.”
Because this is what’s most important to the Army today – an investigation into how a company got it’s nickname. Just by saying something is “unconstitutional” doesn’t make it so. The Constitution says that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” I’m sure that Congress didn’t pass a law mandating that E-1/212th name themselves the Crusaders, so WTF is Mikey talking about? He sounds Bernathian in his hyperbole.
These MFers are starting to get like those people trying to make a name for themselves in the Stolen Valor news – looking for something to get outraged about and then they call Mikey.
Category: Dumbass Bullshit
Mikey has to keep the organization in the news so he can troll for donations and maintain his mid six figure salary.
“Whining for Dollars” indeed has a nice ring to it.
But what else would you expect from someone called Mikey Whinestein?
I would need four or five REALLY good years with enough overtime that the kids start wondering who this “Daddy” guy is to bring home what poor little Mikey pulls down in a single average year of whining. And I deal with shit that’s decidedly worse than phantom hurt feelings. And how much taxes does he weasel his way out of by running a “nonprofit” that seems to be pretty damn profitable?
And why do I also get the feeling that every moslem US Soldier who has rotated through that unit (if any) probably didn’t give a particular fuck about the name?
Mikey reminds me of the assclown in LA that “retired” from being an “advocate” for the disabled and spent his time going into businesses to check if they met the criteria for aisles, restrooms, etc. as set in the ADA (even if you were 1/4 of an inch off, he’d start up with “you’re not in compliance”). If you didn’t, he’d bombard your with letters and legal notices and even file suit (sounds familiar…). Some businesses were singled out by this clown to the point that they eventually closed up shop than deal with this asshole… and many that were sued by him “celebrated” when he finally decided to “retire”.
Word on the street was he made some pretty hefty coin doing it…being the “professional” victim.
Waiting for Larsie the SJW to comment in 5…4…3…2…1…
Rather than sounding Bernathian, perhaps Mikey sounds Larsian?
As a non-believer guys like Whinestine just piss me off…the Crusaders were warriors, whether you believe in their cause or not it’s a historical reality. They could call themselves the Centurions after the Romans for all I care if it maintains a high unit integrity…
I like to quote a lot of Jefferson when I am discussing religion because Jefferson was someone who didn’t much care about religion one way or another…I am reminded of one of my favorites though which suits me fine as a non-believer, But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. and as long as no one is requiring me to attend some church service we’ve no issues here.
Now if they called themselves the Crusaders and required every swinging dick to attend church and sing hymns to the greater glory of their invisible sky daddy that would be a different issue…but I don’t see any indication that’s what’s happening here.
My biggest problem with this, is demanding ‘punishment’ for somebody about this. If the commander finds that this should change, then change the name and signage and move on to the next task. What’s this ‘punishment’ business? Is Weinstein the type to enjoy having daddy take the bad little boys pants down and paddle his naked fanny while he watches? Or perhaps stoning or beheading is more his style? Whichever it is, it needs to be looked at more closely, because it has no place anywhere in this country and particularly in the military.
Ditto. Mikey tends to use inflated language. I’ve seen him use “scandalous outrage” in reference to something where “strange” or “odd” would have sufficed. You hit the nail on the head. It’s not like the current unit’s makeup had anything at all to do with the nickname, mascot, logo, etc. Also, just because a commander is in the position doesn’t mean that he/she has personally vetted and given a seal of approval to every single thing that goes on in the unit. Ridiculous. If he keeps going after signage with these tactics, no one will pay attention when something “real” actually happens.
Agreed I forgot to add, Fuck.That.Guy. Whinestine
Idiotic.
We are no crusaders, this is not God’s army, this is not an Army of Christian soldiers, this is not a Christian nation.
This has no business on a US army military crest.
Do you ever do little more than bawl and snivel while screeching SJW talking points? Happy Thanksgiving o little dweeb, but you’ll likely snivel about it calling it a “symbol of oppression”!
Whew! Two hours passed before you posted about this. I was afraid that a bus was damaged when it ran you over.
Were you injured by this unit name? If so, please explain.
Are you offended by this unit name? If so, on what basis. Why would it matter what the name was?
You said that this is not a Christian nation. Are you speaking officially or personally because you aren’t speaking for me or a lot of other people who serve or served.
Do you stand for anything? If so, please describe because you go to a lot of trouble to opposed things but you don’t seem to be in favor of anything.
You said that you were active duty so you volunteered to serve your country but you oppose everything military (this is my conclusion after reading what you write), you oppose the military concept of using force to achieve political goals, you like the president who has made it very plain that he hates the military, and you seem to like all of Mr. Obama’s policies including the policies that are bad for the military. The military experience could not have been a surprise and you had to volunteer so why did you sign up?
You seem to hate that the military is about killing people and breaking things. Did you have a really bad experience? Did someone not listen when you told them how to do something? Did you do something and JAG showed up and arrested you for it?
The constitution says that “Congress shall make no laws respecting religion …” Congress did not name this unit so there is no constitutional violation. Even if they had, in my opinion that would not constitute a violation of the constitutional proscription. Is a military unit only allowed to named themselves after flowers and trees or cars or something?
Commissar: Idiotic.
No, it’s not idiotic. It has everything to do with unit pride.
Commissar: We are no crusaders, this is not God’s army,
The majority here aren’t arguing that we are a bunch of crusaders, and aren’t arguing that we are God’s army. That’s not being perpetrated within these individual units either.
Commissar: this is not an Army of Christian soldiers,
Wrong, the majority of people in the military are Christians. So yes, in a sense, we are an Army predominately represented by Christian soldiers.
Commissar: this is not a Christian nation.
Wrong again. Christianity is the dominant religion in this country. Just as we identify Muslim majority countries as “Muslim countries”, we can identify Christian majority countries as “Christian countries”. After all, that is how we are identified in the Muslim world.
Commissar: This has no business on a US army military crest.
Wrong again. Having those items and symbols on the military crest has more to do with symbolism than it does with where it originated from. When they have the symbol of a Knight, they are identifying more with the concept of standing up for those who are not able to stand up for themselves, and doing it valiantly.
*WAAAHHHHHH!* STOP using facts and logic, my professor say that not fair, YOU STUPID and I want to know who drank my bong water?!!!
Don’t mind me. I’m just here watching this while eating this seven pounds of blocked government cheese. Nothing else to do since my latest girlfriend ran away from me.
Cheese,
Dennis (Denny) Howard Chevalier
Go for broke this time, cheddar-boi. Try for 10 lbs at a sitting this time!
So, only the Atheistic belief system is appropriate for the U.S. Military?
That also runs afoul of the 1st amendment, no?
A belief that the universe is self-contained, and self/random directing, is as much a “belief” as any other religion. One’s religion does not gain a privileged position by being stated in the negative, thus trying to castle ones position on “can’t prove a negative, thus I do not have to prove my position.”
By the way, the Cross is a -Roman- symbol, effectively a minor one of Law Enforcement. Jesus was not the only person crucified. You may have heard of that fellow Sparticus, no?
Muslims, through Sharia, also use the cross as a means of punishment of the naughty.
So the cross is fairly said to be a multi-denominational symbol of enforcement and retribution. Thus, quite appropriate to military symbology, which is primarily centered on” we will kick your posterior to the curb.”
I’m offended that he’s offended. I’m so offended by his offensive offendedness that I’m inclined to send him a map to a cliff he can jump off of, or a tack he can climb.
When do we get to vote Lars off the island? I don’t mind contrary opinions, but Lars takes the opposite position on almost every discussion. He is a contrarian and a provocateur. He is wasting Jonn’s bandwidth and my time. I vote for expulsion.
Only if execution is out.
OR an electric fence he can pee on!!
WHINEstein can GFH sideways with triple strand of concertina wire wrapped in asbestos! I don’t have the cushy income he treats himself to via money he cons out of people, but I also earn every dime I get HONESTLY from working my ass off, and I haven’t pissed on or back stabbed anybody to get where I’m at. I wish my ex-wife on Poodle turds like WHINEstein and Lars.
I look forward to the “scrubbing” of USMC unit logos…..apparently 3/8 is a good place to start. It sure looks like a cross to me. Maybe we could also go after all of the medical units. Can’t have a cross there either…..people might find it oppressive.
/sarc off.
I believe that Mikey went after VMFA 122 a while back – they were known as the CRUSADERS, changed in 2008 to Werewolves, then tried to change back in 2012 when Mikey had an attack of sandinhismanginitis and screamed for them to drop the name CRUSADERS.
I have a old unit patch of VMFA 122 with the CRUSADER logo on it… pretty badassed IMO
http://christianfighterpilot.com/2012/04/17/marine-fighter-pilots-become-crusaders-once-again/
What is next for Mikey? Isn’t this government property? Why are all these religious symbols being tolerated here? I don’t see an exception in the constitution for displaying religious symbols on Government land. Good luck getting them removed Mikey.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KGCslb1__5I/UaQYNR7ty-I/AAAAAAAAAf8/27qeik_cgCU/s1600/Picture+013.JPG
Not being particularly ecumenical in any way, the more these antireligion fanatics run their pieholes, the more I almost want to start going back to early Sunday morning services.
Get up at 6AM, start a roast in the slow cooker, go to the service, then go out afterwards to breakfast (pancakes, butter, maple syrup, nice crispy bacon) and then go home to a good book and wait for supper to be ready.
Cheers MRFF!
Keep it up.
Commanders need to stop trying to symbolic associate US military units with the Christian crusades. Especially in the contemporary operating environment and especially since not all soldiers serving are Christian.
If you disagree you are wrong.
This will eventually end in an official policy from the DoD putting this stupid shit to rest finally.
Of course it will, the DoD has no interest in war fighting. They’re all about being Social Justice Warriors.
How about respecting the fact that the military has service members from countless religious backgrounds, thousands that are Muslim?
And our wars are not crusades so I have no idea why you think not allowing a command to encourage a particular religious belief undermines the war effort.
So was Eisenhower wrong when he referred to the war against the nazis as “The Great Crusade?”
I believe you’ve stumped him, TOW.
That does it! Owe you some cold beer now, TOW.
I don’t drink, but I’ll take ammo in lieu of firewater!
LMAO! er AMMO!
I’m guessing that members of the AF Special Projects Flight Test Squadron aren’t followers of a religion of mythical sorcery. Maybe Mikey ought to go after them, too.
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Commissar: How about respecting the fact that the military has service members from countless religious backgrounds, thousands that are Muslim? I have a better idea. It’s not the military’s job to bend over backwards to cater to the assumed sentiment of a minority. Is that minorities job to adjust to the military. Those Muslims do not have to join if they do not like many of the symbolisms that you claim offends them. Those who are not Christians, who are offended by those military symbols, do not have to join the military. They should respect the fact that they are joining an organization that has certain things in play. If they are going to get butt-hurt over the fact that they have a knight as a symbol for the unit, then they should reevaluate why it is they joined. If the Army could allow certain religions certain uniform wear considerations while in uniform, then religious minorities could most certainly accept symbols that derived from Christianity if they are already a part of the unit’s identity. Commissar: And our wars are not crusades Again, the majority here isn’t arguing that point. You need to turn your attention to many of the radicals that we are fighting in the Middle East. They accuse us of being crusaders, you need to talk sense into them and let them know that we are not crusaders. Commissar: so I have no idea why you think not allowing a command to encourage a particular religious belief undermines the war effort. UpNorth’s point is that the DOD is a war fighting organization, or should be. Their main focus should be on policies that make us more effective as war fighters. If they are going to do what you suggest they should do, then the focus is not on fighting a war but on catering to political correctness. I deployed to Iraq with a unit that used a Roman Catholic symbol for strength. Not once did anybody in my chain of command, or NCO support channel, “advocate” Catholicism or Christianity. We simply identified with what the symbol represented.… Read more »
NOOOOO, my professor say so, so it’s true!! YOU and everyone else here need to start thinking right! I have a headache and someone drank my bong water before I could, all I have is leftover Kool-Aid, *WAAAHHHH!*, it’s all TAH’s fault!
thebesig:
If you don’t already have a fan club, I’ll be happy to start one for you.
The most effective and logical takedown of Mr. Taylor’s silly nonsense I’ve **EVER** read. Well done!
Lars, you are wrong. Please show me where this unit having an “offensive name” is mandated or even supported by a law written by Congress. This is not in violation of the First Amendment, nor is there any specific federal regulation preventing such a name. If there is, I would thank you for showing such a regulation to me. Until then, it is merely your opinion that such a name should not be on a military unit.
It is not simply about it being offensive, it is about the fact that it is a military unit and it not only is demonstrating a command preference for a particular religious belief it is also encouraging its soldiers to see themselves as a “Crusaders” for God.
That is a violation of the operation of Church and state. It is also idiotic in the contemporary operating environment.
Yeah, BULLSHIT, you sniveling dweeb of a candyassed hipster SJW.
Go pound some sand Lars and Mikey. It’s a word. Alternate meaning is to champion a cause. So should we start calling you and Mikey “Special Snowflake Crusaders”?
cru·sad·er
kro͞oˈsādər/
noun
noun: crusader; plural noun: crusaders; noun: Crusader
1.
a fighter in the medieval Crusades.
synonyms: campaigner, fighter, champion, advocate; reformer
“she was a crusader against domestic violence”
2.
a person who campaigns vigorously for political, social, or religious change; a campaigner.
“crusaders for early detection and treatment of mental illness”
It appears that Lard and Moron Mikey meet the definition of Crusaders.
Such an inconvenient quandary, now isn’t it??
Yes. On this issue, both indeed appear to be Crusaders from the Order of the Knights of Asinine Butthurt.
Since neither appears to accept the possibility that the term “Crusader” has any meaning that isn’t a direct reference to Christianity, each of them must disgust the other. And they must disgust themselves as well.
Forget it, Cake14N. Taylor the Infallible has spoken. And he is never wrong!
Besides, alternate meanings and the possibility that someone conservative ISN’T acting with nefarious intent never enter his mind in such a situation.
Nope. No church there, so no Church/State nexus.
Also, there is no ‘separation of Church and State’ to be found in the Constitution, that is a fabrication of the Court. It is also the ONLY place I’ve seen where an external writing of a Founder has been used by the left to clarify the Bill of Rights. They studiously avoid external writings that clarify the 2nd amendment as well as the 9th and 10th. But then, consistent and blatant hypocrisy is a clear indication of a feeble mind.
So I ask you, is my last unit who were called the Centurions promoting Paganism?
Nope. Fascism.
The Romans used the Fasces as a symbol of authority. “Centurions” were Roman soldiers.
So if the unit was calling itself the “Centurions”, obviously that means they were closet Fascists intent on world domination and the overthrow of democracy. What else could using that term as a nickname possibly mean?!
Yes, the above is absurd – by design. It’s intentional sarcasm to show Taylor how absurd his and Whinestein’s assertion here is.
I thought I’d better spell that out for Taylor. Unless given detailed guidance, he often seems to miss the obvious.
Little boi, Let’s ask the members of these units with the offensive names and emblems if they are offended and want a change. My Nam squdron was the Ugly Angels. Our name was supposely given by the Grunts. Be careful where you run your mouth Mikey. A lot of us old greezers have a lot of pride in our old units. Joe
I asked you to demonstrate where Congress made a law approving or mandating the name. You cannot. Contrary to your preferences, the First Amendment does NOT seperate church and state, it forbids the Legislature from making laws establishing a national religion or prohibiting the free exercise of one. The text is quite clear:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
The fact that this military unit has a name “Crusaders” reflects neither the establishment, nor even the preference of one religion, nor does it prevent the free exercise of religion by anyone. Furthermore, the name was not mandated by the Legislature, so it would not run afoul of the First Amendment in either event.
Furthermore, I would direct you to the dictionary for the definition of Crusader which has multiple meanings, including “a person who campaigns vigorously for political, social, or religious change; a campaigner.” But I suppose that the idea that you can say that one possible definition includes “a fighter in the medieval Crusades” means that it somehow is establishing a religion (or preventing the free exercise of one)? If so, please tell me how it does so.
Commissar: It is not simply about it being offensive, I’m sorry, but the offense is coming from people like you guys getting offended by such symbolisms. These units have no obligation to change their symbols because you are offended by The Symbols. Commissar: it is about the fact that it is a military unit and it not only is demonstrating a command preference for a particular religious belief it is also encouraging its soldiers to see themselves as a “Crusaders” for God. Somewhere on this website, you claimed to be a veteran. You of all people should know that what you say here is not true. There are many different denominations within Christianity. Which one of those denominations is the command making preference to? Yes, this is a military unit. As a military unit, it has a right to choose to remain with the symbols, regardless of who the symbols offend. No, keeping those symbols does not represent the commander showing a preference toward a religion. Also, it doesn’t encourage soldiers to see themselves as “Crusaders” for God. Again, many a Shoulder Sleeve Insignia have representations of the sword and shield reminiscent of the medieval period Knights. Not once did the majority of these soldiers see themselves as “Crusaders” for God because of these insignias. Many of these units, with symbols representing Christian Knights, are not going around seeing themselves as crusaders. They identify with the nonreligious symbolisms that the knight and other medieval symbols represent. Commissar: That is a violation of the operation of Church and state. Wrong. The separation of church and state is the concept that the civil government cannot dictate to the church how it runs its business. Likewise, the church cannot tell the civil government how to run its business. Meaning, if a part of that civil government decides to display a religious symbol, and it did so on its own free will, there is no violation of the separation of church and state. Guess who came up with the concept of the separation of church and state as used in this thread? Christian monks… Read more »
Just calling it now, this thread will be at 150+ posts by this time tomorrow.
Lars has repeatedly demonstrated that he has nothing better to do.
Are you sure it will take that long?
What’s next Larsie-pinky, are Christian Chaplains going to be demanded to remove the Cross insignia from their uniform? Demand that all Chapels on Military Facilities be moved to face Mecca? Get the sand out of your mangina and get a life, you sniveling dweeb!
It will certainly end up in policy as our “leadership” these days can’t stand up to a stiff breeze.
But YOU are wrong if you think this will put anything to rest. The perpetually offended will continue to fabricate offense at anything and everything to keep the donations and the headlines coming. Which is why the adults in the room roll our eyes at these groups and people like you that have been taken in by their clap-trap.
“If you disagree then you are wrong.”
How very tolerant and open-minded of you, Lars.
Another member of the “tolerant” left shows their true colors. If you disagree then you are a bigot, racist, homophobe, sexist, gun nut, etc.
“If you disagree you are wrong.”
Pretty much sums up Commissar’s view of the world.
Kinda why I call him “Taylor the Infallible”.
In his mind, anyway.
Ya know what, Lars. You remind me of a guy I once worked with. The guy was a loudmouth blowhard asshole with a long list of disciplinary problems, not *quite* enough to get him fired, in addition to being a shit firefighter and all-around lazy bastard. As I’ve mentioned, I’m a practicing Roman Catholic. Many years ago, my Mom gave a Saint Florian medallion in the shape of a Maltese Cross, which I always wear around my neck. It stays concealed under my T-shirt and out of sight at work, and is of tremendous sentimental value to me on account of it being a gift from my Mom (who has never approved of my career choice). One night, after having worked with this prick, put up with his shit, and picked up the slack for his lazy ass for about five months, during which time I never once broached the subject of anything religious, we’re in the back of the engine coming back from a late-night t/c. Now I’m not a proselytizing kind of guy. I will describe my belief if asked, and might mention it if it’s pertinent to the topic at hand, but I don’t advertise it. And I don’t particularly care if the folks I work with do or don’t believe as I do, because it’s none of my business. But on this particular night, I noticed that the chain holding the medallion around my neck had broken and fallen off. Given its sentimental value, I’m a little bit upset by this development, start digging through the cab looking for it, and ask if anybody’s seen it lying around. He asks is it’s a religious symbol, to which I reply yes, and that I place a high personal value on it due to it being a gift from Mom. This fucker responds by declaring, “I’m an atheist.” I reply, “I’m happy for ya. Are you gonna help me find it or not?” The fucker launches into a loud tirade about how I’m trying to “shove my Bible down his throat,” I’m a fanatic, etc, until the Captain… Read more »
Hey Lars! Kinda hard to hear you over the crickets!
Nailed it.
Yea…some people are like that.
Merry Christmas brother. I don’t really agree with buying an entire island from Indians for a handful of beads either, but I am going to carve a turkey with my family and close friends tomorrow anyway.
Semper Fi.
Thanks, and likewise! I’ll be having turkey, ham, and mashed potatoes with fried rice and egg rolls. God bless America!
OFFICIAL GREETINGS TO TOW, SW.Ex-PH2, Jonn, The Person Formerly Known As MCPO NYC, Ret., AND ALL OF THE FINE PEOPLE OF TAH®™, HAPPY THANKSGIVING DAY!!!
AND TO ALL OF THE LIBERAL TROLLS, the same to you while you curse about the day as “A celebration of Racist Massacres”…
@The Other Whitey
That was the most well thought out analysis of the Commissar’s of the world I have seen yet. We’ve all met “that” guy somewhere along the way.
Q: What is so ironic about Atheists like Lars?
A: They’re always talking about God.
An Atheist, a Vegan and a Cross fitter walk into a bar…I only know because they told everyone within two minutes of being there.
So Lars, if the military adopts symbols that only offend Christians, than everything will settle down, is that right?
Stopped by and see this exploded.
Not reading the thread, not debating this.
The US military and military commanders should not be using Christian imagery in unit slogans, crests, or mascots.
We absolutely should not be trying to frame units with “Crusader” identities.
Anyone who think we should is flat wrong. No debate, no excuse.
You are wrong.
I am not wasting my time with you.
Who the hell is making you come here? Don’t let the door hit you in the ass, Bubba!
How many GBCW posts has Larsie made now? 7? 8?
Didn’t you say you were done with this site once before? No one is forcing you to be here with us “unenlightened” souls, and you should know by now that being an arrogant asshole is not going to convince anyone to see things your way…… well, that and the fact that most of us don’t suffer from cranial-rectal inversion
Al, I think it has been at least four times now that Lars the Infallible has said he is done with us.
I only knew one for sure- the one after he got his own special post on here
He’s said he’s done at least four times now.
More than four… probably six.
I’m waiting for him to be offended by the Red Cross… but not the Red Crescent… if you guys get my drift.
didnt mean to hit the report button. It was an accident.
And for the 4,365th Douchenozzle Taylor tells us all that he’s done here…you couldn’t ignore this site if you wanted to cupcake.
*WAAAAAAAAH!* YOU NEED TO THINK LIKE MY PROFESSORS SAY WE DO!! EVERYBODY BUT ME IS WRONG HERE, *WAAAHHHH!* .
I ought to take my blankie and go STRAIGHT HOME!!!
????????
You’re “not debating this.” Why not? Because you can’t support your position? Because you’re insecure and don’t like to be challenged? Because you’re a pretentious arrogant asswipe who thinks he knows everything and can’t to be shown others?
Didn’t they teach you how debate works at Berkeley? Saying “you’re wrong” and doing your “mic drop” chickenshit doesn’t cut it. You need to support your position. I learned that at lowly SDSU. You’re using the debate tactics of a preschooler. You declare your own opinion to be irrefutable fact, call opposing viewpoints “idiotic,” and refuse to answer counterpoints. How old are you? Five?
If I were you, I’d call up Berkeley and ask for my money back if this is what they taught you.
*WAAAHHHH!* I got me lots of ednukYshun which makes me smarter than YOU!!
Commissar: It is not simply about it being offensive, I’m sorry, but the offense is coming from people like you guys getting offended by such symbolisms. These units have no obligation to change their symbols because you are offended by The Symbols. Commissar: it is about the fact that it is a military unit and it not only is demonstrating a command preference for a particular religious belief it is also encouraging its soldiers to see themselves as a “Crusaders” for God. Somewhere on this website, you claimed to be a veteran. You of all people should know that what you say here is not true. There are many different denominations within Christianity. Which one of those denominations is the command making preference to? Yes, this is a military unit. As a military unit, it has a right to choose to remain with the symbols, regardless of who the symbols offend. No, keeping those symbols does not represent the commander showing a preference toward a religion. Also, it doesn’t encourage soldiers to see themselves as “Crusaders” for God. Again, many a Shoulder Sleeve Insignia have representations of the sword and shield reminiscent of the medieval period Knights. Not once did the majority of these soldiers see themselves as “Crusaders” for God because of these insignias. Many of these units, with symbols representing Christian Knights, are not going around seeing themselves as crusaders. They identify with the nonreligious symbolisms that the knight and other medieval symbols represent. Commissar: That is a violation of the operation of Church and state. Wrong. The separation of church and state is the concept that the civil government cannot dictate to the church how it runs its business. Likewise, the church cannot tell the civil government how to run its business. Meaning, if a part of that civil government decides to display a religious symbol, and it did so on its own free will, there is no violation of the separation of church and state. Guess who came up with the concept of the separation of church and state as used in this thread? Christian monks… Read more »
Could the admins delete the line of “Xs” and everything above them? Thanks. 😀
Shit, the easiest class I took at San Diego State had more stringent requirements. Same story for Grossmont Community College. Of course, I’m not worthy to discuss anything with Lars, since I’m one of the simple commoners who went to a CSU and got a real job, rather than living the Bohemian lifestyle of the UC elite.
And for the record, one of the three best teachers I ever had in higher education was Dr. Little, who taught Rhetoric & Writing skills at SDSU back in the day. Woman was about ten miles to the left of Lenin, and was an absolutely stellar teacher. See, unlike Lars and his ilk, she was open-minded and not only tolerated, but ENCOURAGED viewpoints in opposition to her own. Every assignment she gave challenged us to convince her of our viewpoint, using evidence and references, not just feelings. I was and still am 100% polar opposite from her in my opinion on damn near everything, and she gave me an A. On top of all that, Dr. Little was a genuine sweetheart who had nothing but kind words for everybody. I adore that woman to this day, even if she was a certifiable communist, and if I ran into her today, the first thing I’d do is give her a hug. God bless her!
TOW, you’re a better Man and a MUCH more tolerant WARRIOR than I AM, I doubt that I’d last more than a few hours on any modern day Kolledje kamkpus without a MOB of Larsie-parsie-type of fleabag SJW-types screeching for me to be lynched on the spot for violation of the Communist-type of laws they want against free thinking.
Well, this *was* fifteen years ago, so I ain’t too sure how I’d fare in the “modern” university environment, either.
You probably wouldn’t. We’d have to form up a rescue team and extract your butt. lol
As the saying goes, “Don’t go away mad, just go away.”, but I don’t give two hoots of a flying ratshit fuck if you go away mad or not!! 😀
Or, in other words …
“You’re all poopy pants and I’m taking my toys and going home!”
Thus spake the “wise” one, “Taylor the Infallible”.
I guess for him the concepts of “freedom of speech” and “tolerance for dissent” only are operative if the speaker is from the political left and he agrees with what they’re saying.
No surprise, though. That mindset is common among leftists.
Of course you’re not reading the thread or debating this, Lars.
You don’t have a logical leg to stand on, and you’d rather not embarrass yourself any more than you already have.
You know you’re wrong and won’t admit it. You’ve picked this hill to die on and now you realize what a foolish thing it was to do.
You can’t admit that you might have bitten off more than you can chew.
So there.
Commissar: Commanders need to stop trying to symbolic associate US military units with the Christian crusades. In the vast majority of these cases, commanders inherit such symbolisms. These guys are not actively identifying themselves as crusaders, or the Army in general, as being a “crusade army”. Again, they are identifying with a concept that has little to nothing to do with “pretending to be a crusader”. It has everything to do with identifying the concept of standing up against an enemy with the positive attributes that the Knights possessed when they fought their enemies. Commissar: Especially in the contemporary operating environment Screw political correctness. What matters is how the soldiers within the unit identify with that symbol. A lot of our Shoulder Sleeve Insignia have symbolisms involving a sword and a shield, usually identified with medieval knights. These are plainly visible during deployments. We didn’t hear a single word of complaint from people in the Middle East regarding our SSI. We’re just hearing about these complaints here in the US. Commissar: and especially since not all soldiers serving are Christian. That doesn’t matter. This would be as silly as demanding that a high school changes its mascot from “Hunter” to something else, because there are students that are vegetarians. That symbol becomes a part of what the unit is, and if soldiers identify with the unit, they are not going to care about the origins of that symbol. For example, how many football players, as a percent of the whole, decided they were not going to play football because their mascot represents something else? How many players on the Cowboys team are actually Cowboys? How many players in the Redskins team are actually Indians? How many players in the Vikings team are actually Vikings? You get the picture. When it comes to sports, or the military, the symbol identifies with the team. Commissar: If you disagree you are wrong. I’m sorry, you have to present the facts before you determine that those who disagree with you are “wrong”. So far, you have not presented any fact relevant to what you… Read more »
Exception, thebesig:
Commissar: If you disagree you are wrong.
That is dictatorship. It can also be categorized as ideological and sociopathic. There are other, similar categories, but this is a presumption that only one person has the right to have an opinion.
And THAT is COMPLETELY WRONG.
A few years ago I met a very nice general in the Atlanta airport. I thanked him for his service and for being the first soldier I had seen in a while who looked like he had shaved more than twice in his life. He laughed and said that it often amazed him what was accomplished by soldiers so young that he occasionally wondered if he should ask if their mothers knew where they were. At that time he was going to take command of Fort Rucker. Don’t know if he is still there, but I think he would just shake his head at Mikey.
You need to stop picking on me!!! I learned all my SJW skills at Bezerkly!!! You will comply with my way of thinking right now or I’ll organize a sit-in here at Jonn’s place!!! I’ll shame all of you for your White Privilege!!! YOU’RE ALL WRONG AND EVIL!!!!
Now LEAVE ME ALONE so I get back to studying my lines for “The Vagina Monologues”
I think you have a misspelling here. Next to last word – delete the “v” and replace it with “m”. Then insert an “n” after the next letter.
STOP MANSPLAINING TO ME!!!!
Just trying to help out, Flaming one. (smile)
Time to send Mikey to gitmo so he can be with the other America hating terrorists already.
So, you go to a public meeting of your local school board and the chairperson calls order, silence, and then recites a prayer, say, invoking God’s guidance in the business to be conducted. Okay? You bet it is. You visit the Supreme Court one day and the session opens, as do all sessions of the court, with a prayer. Really? Yes. You visit a local high school and find out that there’s Bible Club. Against the rules or illegal? Not at all. You watch the Army/Navy game and see a knight in full armor. Problem? No. You hear that the Navy has a submarine named Corpus Christie. It does. Of course, it is said that the military is not referring to the Body of Christ but, instead, to the Texas city. And what do you suppose those who named that city had in mind? (Yes, there were other seagoing vessels named the Body of Christ, too.) All is not lost–yet.
A few years ago some dirty-diapered SJW fleabags squealed and screeched about the name of the USS Corpus Christi, I’m sure that Mikey WHINEstein showed up bawling in a dirty diaper!
I will only observe that it is the carp who told us he’s dating his ex-girlfriend and 2 other women (all of whom, he told us, are not Caucasian in their ethnic origins). Therefore, I have difficulty understanding how someone with such an active social life can possibly find the time to spend here, letting us know how deeply offended he is by the use of a word.
And YOU GUYS are responsible for invoking the carp, so I hold you responsible for getting rid of him. I have chapters to finish, you know.
Hey Mikey! Hey Lars! Does this religious symbolism offend you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_Infantry_Division_(United_States)
It’s upside down, isn’t it?
Crusader tanks anyone?
Paladin artillery?
Durandal bombs?
The Rakkasans have a shinto temple gate (Torii) as a symbol! My feels!
Seriously though, somebody should see if they can get the MRFF to complain about that.
No, what someone should do is run MRFF out on a rail.
Better yet, flush ’em back down whatever shitpipe they oozed out of!!
and blow it closed behind ’em
Back in the day our various units had names and patches. We had silver spurs, stoogies, baggers, and yes we had crusaders, which was C Troop 3/17 Air Cav. Their patch was the shield with the red cross and a cobra in the middle. The whole idea was to create Esprit De Corps. It had nothing to do with religion. Anyone who had or has a problem with it. Tough shit!
Its not a cross its just a big T for truth, justice and the American way(pre Nobomma).
Maybe the MRFF could just FOAD?
Hmmm… there is work underway to discover if panpsychism is extant in astrophysics, and to discover what shamans, medicine men and women, astrologers, philosophers, mystery-cult members, poets, and fiction authors have considered for millennia: that the stars have souls and every blade of grass, every pebble in the soil, every molecule of air – all have an extant spirit attached to them.
The question is do large-mass cool stars move more slowly than hotter, lower-mass stars through a galactic stream of their own volition?
Matloff and Haisch assumed that a proto-consciousness field operates through vacuum fluctuations or is identical to these fluctuations. They developed a very simple “toy model” in which this field produces a form of primitive consciousness by its interaction with molecular matter in the Casimir Effect.
I’m quite sure that these two whiny children (whinestein and the carp) also object to the Higgs boson being referred to as the God particle.
They are both so limited in their perceptions that they refuse to acknowledge or accept the wishes or ideas of other people. They engage in the same heinous ‘obey or die’ rhetoric of anyone who does not share their limited views. They are both addicts: Whinestein to his cash-producing power tripping, and the carp to feeding his useless ego.
And I don’t care.
You all have a Happy, Joyful and Plentiful Thanksgiving.
Boson Higgs can be called whatever he wants. I am assuming he is a Master Chief, thus speaketh from the Throne.
Good one! I will have him help out my team girls with the rope spinner.
Beautiful!
When I was strationed at NAS Dallas . I was assigned to the F-8 line for OJT then to be sent to H-53 school. For carrier Ops is wing always down. All F-8s and A-7s tookoff with the wing up. Is wingdown normal for carrier Ops ? Joe
Oh crap, I just read The Fars we have to cancel the Olympics. Forever. The games celebrate those polytheistic Greeks and pagan Romans and just because.
We probably have to cut off all affiliation with the Brits because they have a cross on their flag – same with the Norwegians. The Italians and Irish have to go, they have not banned the Pope.
I suppose that the Saudis and Iranians are okay but I guess that I do not understand the pattern.
By the way, I think that we have to shun Hardin too. For sure God didn’t create him (just ask) but he seems highly improbable and we cannot trust mathematics either. Did you ever read Godel’s completeness theorem? There is all kinda religion running around in there.
Now, now…don’t be picking on the Probie. Ain’t his fault he walked up behind a plow mule and got his bells rung with both hooves.
mwahahaha!
WHERE ARE THE TRIGGER WARNINGS?????
This site is so full of microaggressions that I don’t know what to do… WHERE’S MY SAFE SPACE HERE!!!!!!
SOMEONE GIVE ME MY WOOBIE!!!! SING KYUMBAYA TO ME!!!!
Please report to human resources for reeducating.
sarc
*WAAAAAHH!*. YOU POOP-HEADS NEED TO QUIT THINKING WRONG AND BEING MEAN TO ME! I want my blanky and some fresh Kool-Aid NOW!! ???????
For information about distinctive unit insignia see:
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/
Note the law governing the actions as such.
If there is a ‘beef’ with the elements of a crest, bring it up with The Institute of Heraldry. The unit or installation aint got nutten ta do wit it.
In short, Lars ESABALF.
Suggested names for bases, ships and weapons systems contest – Thanksgiving Eve Edition:
1. Base – Fort NeighborHood Partnerships and Initiatives
2. Ship – USS Safe Space (OMG-1)
3. Weapons System – Joint Gender Neutral Consensus Seeking Tank (JGNCST)
Please add yours below!
Base: NAS Mallard Bay; Ft. Woebegone; Camp Woolgathering
Ship: Lakehurst; Charlemagne; Ponderosa
Weapons systems:
Missiles: E(at)S(hit)A(nd)D(ie) MkIV Mod2
How’s that?
Field Unit Kitchen Trailer – Known as a mess Kitchen Trailer, let’s rename it, then the troops will say “CHOW TIME, the Cooks are FUKT up!!
Expandable Neutral Understanding Under Normal Control & Hospitality (EUNUNCH)
Gender Neutral Operation Movement Expansion – Special High Intensity training (GNOME – SHIT)
Sensitivity Management, Understanding Real Factions – Special High Intensity Training (SMURF – SHIT)
I once worked for a GO who, after the Army started calling weekend drills “battle assemblies”, began to refer to our reserve center as the Battle Assembly Readiness Facility (BARF). I’d receive his itinerary a few days before the weekend and there would be entries such as “0730 – arrive at BARF”. I kid you not.
Personnel Uniform Kinetic Exercise – PUKE!
It’s just a matter of time before this idiot goes after all the crosses on hereldic items in the services.
Nice catch on the old 6th ID, rumor was they were going to take off their patches prior to pulling a Sinai rotation back in the 90s.
We talked about that in previous thread.
They won’t win those cases.
Caving is one thing, court is another!
Can’t go after the Malta Cross.
I hear Mikey wants to the DSC changed to the Distinguished Service Lower-case T.
One too may to
We all know it is un-Jonn-like to remove the posts from some delusional heretic. Here’s the first bribe ($20 cash) to give Larsie his own segment to post on so we don’t have to waste time scrolling through his garbage as quickly as possible. He either won’t or can’t take a hint. Mommy probably has to change his Depends far more often than he likes. Adult bed wetters just can’t help themselves. Go piss up a telephone pole Larsie. Anything, just get the fuck off a man’s site.
Giving Mr. Taylor his own section to post in is like having a no pissing section in a swimming pool.
Enjoy the water, just don’t drink it.
It’s just that I resent having to wear yellow trunks when Mr. Taylor’s pool is open.
Have a good Thanksgiving to you and all others who make this site what it is.
S/F
Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas to you and yours. General Order 13 stays in effect.
Semper Fi.
It would make more sense to direct him to a place where he can start his very own blog at no cost to him. There are several facilities like that, and they’re quite lenient. There, he can say whatever he wishes to and no one can argue with him.
I have a nice and growing following on my blog, but then I tend to not piss people off like he does.
KUDOS to you too Jarhead, and I’d rather give Larsie-parsie-rudy-poo directions to someplace where he/she/it can GO PISS ON AN ELECTRIC FENCE like this:
i guess that someone needs to be offended by the the SSI of the 6th ID, 29th ID and the 228 Signal BDE. The imagery on those patches are religious in nature to some people. Or is it only items that could be seen as Christian that have to go?
I think that all of the perpetually offended folks need to get their collective panties out of a bunch. They’ll be a lot more happy in life if they will just stay in their lane and mind their business. This jack wagon Mickey, is going to these military installations looking for something to be offended by.
I wonder if he realizes that Christian lives matter too!!! (couldn’t resist)
86th Signal Battalion has a crescent on their DUI. Isn’t that forcing Islamic beliefs on Soldiers?
Blaster…..good point, there will always be an opportunity in any sign on any base to whine and threaten legal action. UNLESS, and I’m sure he would be happy to settle for it, at the entry to EVERY base in country there was a sign requesting donations for litigation specialist Mikey WHINEstein; suffering from the rare and incurable parasitic anti-Christian wallet-eating cancer.
Damn, so much music to his ears at one time!
Doesn’t his repetitive ‘not wasting my time’ and then his returning to the site shortly thereafter indicate an addictive behavior of some sort?
As much as I enjoy TAH like the rest of you do, and appreciate the widely varying opinions of all who gather here, I know that it’s easy enough to take time away from it and go do other things.
All the rest of us have productive outside lives. The trout sniffer does not seem to understand that. It’s quite easy to keep the space on a waiting online frame, click in, look around, and decide whether to stay awhile or blow this popstand.
I think the difference between us and the Bodaciously Whining Twink is that he’s desperate for attention, and gets it here.
He claims he’s dating 3 (count ’em) women? If that’s true, he doesn’t need us. He can go annoy them instead.
In fact, I challenge Lars the Carp, the undeniably egocentric specimen of anal pomposity, to stay away from This Aint Hell from now until January 1, 2016.
I don’t think he can do it.
He’s an addict. He gets his fixes here.
‘He’, to whom I refer, is Lars the Carp.
Think about this, the next time Doofus Amongus shows up and yanks the collective sleeve.
https://youtu.be/aOLxQGLJouI
“trout sniffer”…Love it! BWAHAHAHA!
Everybody have a wonderful Thanksgiving. You too, Probie. And stay away the plow mule, that SOB gets you every time you get near it.
Enjoy your holiday, this Behavioral Probation thing sucks.