West: Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White to be charged for Chattanooga shooting
I’m not sure that I buy this, but Allen West says that someone sent him a text message the other day which said that Lieutenant Commander Timothy White, the fellow who returned fire when Muhammad Abdulazeez assaulted the Reserve Center in Chattanooga several days ago, is going to be charged by the Navy for discharging a firearm on federal property.
Now, I trust Allen West, and I think the Navy Secretary, Ray Maybus, is an idiot, but I don’t think Maybus is so stupid that he start a firestorm over something like this. From West’s website;
Ladies and gents, resulting from the text message I received yesterday, I can confirm that the United States Navy is bringing charges against Lt. Cmdr Timothy White for illegally discharging a firearm on federal property.
The text message asked if it would be possible for Lt.Cmdr White to reach out to me. To wit I replied, affirmative.
I would hope that Lieutenant Colonel West did some investigating, but since I’ve not seen any evidence other than than West’s posting, I’m staying skeptical.
Category: Navy
I’m a big fan of Col. West, but I’ll wait for the official word.
Then e-mails and phone calls expressing my extreme displeasure will be falling like autumn leaves in my worthless Congress and Senate critters’ switchboards and e-mail in boxes.
College: grow up! West didn’t torture anyone, he was trying to get a shythead to talk and he wouldn’t, so West put a .45 in the guys crotch and he sang like a canary! Thats not torture, thats damned BRILLIANT! too bad he didn’t pull the trigger! imho
Fox reporting that they inquired last night, and this morning received confirmation that criminal charges have not be ruled out. (On air report – nothing posted yet.)
Just the wording of that statement, that criminal charges haven’t been ruled out, makes me think we’re being set up.
This is the Navy’s response to West’s statement:
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/08/navy_denies_reports_sailor_wil.html
It created an online firestorm, per the article, on the Navy’s website. Whoever started that rumor was doing nothing but stirring up trouble.
My sources say he is going to get a career ending reprimand. But that they are shopping public sentiment to see what’s up…
It could well be a finger in the air to check the current type situation too.
Honor, integrity or actual true facts rarely (never) have anything to do with political decisions these days.
^^^^^^^Bingo^^^^^^^^
The local press says no charges. http://www.chattanoogan.com/2015/8/2/305393/Roy-Exum-Navy-Denies-Any-Changes.aspx
Might want to take a closer look at that one, Bobo. It says (emphasis added):
“There is still a long way to go in reviewing the facts of this tragic incident, but at this time we can confirm no service member has been charged with an offense.”
That doesn’t rule out future charges, and “reviewing the facts” implies more to come. Absent public outcry, I wouldn’t put it past the Navy and/or DoD to try and end the good LCDR’s career.
Report is now posted on Fox.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/03/navy-official-not-ruling-out-charging-service-member-who-fired-on-chattanooga/
Whoever the moron is that comes up with charges against LCDR White, that moron should be ridden out of town on a damned rail, IF this is true.
However, until I see some proof, I am skeptical. But it is a good way to start a firestorm of anger at PC Idiocracy. Tennessee has a strong self-defense law on its books.
http://nashvilleattorneynow.com/criminal-defense/nashville-criminal-lawyers-explain-self-defense-in-tennessee-when-can-i-use-deadly-force-for-protection/
I wouldn’t be surprised if the current administration leaked the information about pressing charges so they could get a read on the public response before doing anything official.
More than plausible
My thought’s exactly.
Damn Instinct. You are right they are shopping for opinions
If that is the case then the administration is even more out of touch than I’d feared. What did they think public reaction to a Navy Officer firing at a Muslim Terrorist murdering Marines would be?
I was thinking the same thing. It’s hard to believe that the administration would think public opinion would pro bringing charges. But hey, their stupidity knows no bounds, so…
Yeah, I could easily see this as a finger in the wind from the current administration. But step back and think about if this is true. It would mean they are so out of touch with the country that they aren’t sure what the reaction would be. I have a hard time believing that someone around the puzzle palace wouldn’t have said how stupid this would be. That it would create a firestorm (which is about what it did). No, this smells fishy to me. Setup? Who knows how this administration thinks? Could be.
When an admin lives in an echo chamber dominated by enemy loving traitors, it’s easy for an administration to assume that they’re of the dominant mindset.
I don’t think I’m as skeptical as you guys.
Considering the extreme anti-gun positions this administration has, I’d be willing to bet that that White will be made an example of thus supporting their left-wing ideology.
I will believe it when I see it. Conservatives are just as bad as liberals on creating stories.
There are facebook posts that facebook has banned the Marine Corps Logo becasuse its offensive.
There are also pictures of a map of Kenya with as town called Hawaiwi on it, saying thats how Obama can say he was born there.
I’m sure the Kenya map thing was a joke. Sadly there are people like the ones who believed Jade Helm was some vast conspiracy that will take it and run with it. Just look at how many people fall for Duffle Blog and The Onion stories.
Let me be the first to say that Lt Cmdr White served with honor and distinction.
I hear The Rose garden Press conference with his parents will be on Friday.
Resistance is futile prepare to be assimilated!
I just want to play with 7 of 9 for a couple of days !!!
Damn…. Borg’s are HOT !!!
…You know it’s 7 of 9’s fault we got Obama in the first place, right?
Mike
Man, that’s obscure. I had to think about it for a second, but I follow the logic. Good one.
I don’t get it. Did Jeri Ryan endorse him or something?
Ryan was divorced from her husband in 1999. The case was sealed by agreement between both parties.
In 2004 Jack Ryan was running against Chicago politician Barack Obama when an LA judge unsealed the custody records against the wishes of both parties. The salacious details revealed caused Mr. Ryan to withdraw his candidacy.
Veerrrry convenient for Mr. Obama, no?
I visited West’s page before this post to check out the report attributed to him. I found it very odd that I had to work my way down through some paragraphs before reading the ‘bombshell’ statement, attributed to a text message. Technically, of course, the Navy could bring charges against the officer. After all, he may very well have committed a crime, if not multiple crimes, right? It’s not as if he knew that the attack was going to occur and armed himself, right? And it’s unlikely that the day of the attack was the first and only day he carried a personal weapon to work, right? So, what’s the problem if he is charged? Didn’t he violate the law?
Okay, it’s too early on a Sunday morning for this. I’ve been up since 0500 and have had 1 1/2 pots of coffee so far. I try to limit myself. As soon as I start shaking, I take a few hours off from the joe. Anyway, there’s this thing, an interesting thing, called the interest of justice. I know squat about the UCMJ but I’m guessing that a prosecutor’s job is to serve one master: justice. Civilian counterparts are supposed to be guided by that. It allows no charges to be brought, pursuant to prosecutorial discretion and charges brought to be made to go away, when doing so serves the interests of justice. Would it be just to bring charges against this officer? Hell no.
Since when does ‘justice’ have anything to do with the ‘narrative’?
Since Never.
So, let’s say neither the county, state, feds, nor Army/DoD want to pursue.
I’m betting the family DOES. They would have a severe time suing the feds or the cops for shooting him. But the ‘unauthorized’ Marine or Sailor?
They’ll nail ’em.
I can’t be the only one thinking this conversation is taking place in some shithole cave in SW Asia right about now…
“See Achmed, not only are Americans WEAK and UNARMED on their own soil, they will prosecute anyone who dares to fight back when we attack them THERE!”
“You’re correct Habib, it’s time to go to phase 3…”
Maybe that’s the message that B. Hussein 0bama & Company want to send over there?!
Since when is it illegal to defend yourself and others against a violent criminal? If this is true, many asses must be had over this bullshit.
UCMJ has no provision for self defense. Both will be charged (even in cases of Rape).
Now…
When deployed we tell other countries that Soldiers have the inherent right to self defense….. just not against each other or on home soil.
Lt. Cmdr Timothy White did his job. Period. He used whatever was available at the time to protect his men, himself and civilians. He should be applauded. Instead Obama and Company want to make a political “gun grabbing” statement out of this. If Lt. Cmdr Timothy White had gotten the shot that made Muhammad Abdulazeez DRT. Then the same would be happening from the opposite viewpoint. “Why did you shoot if no one was harmed yet, he was only firing at you still Commander? Why didn’t you wait until there were actual dead and wounded to return fire? Fire which by the way was illegal on federal property”. Yea that’s the noise we would hear if the Commander had killed the ass hole out right.
The funniest thing West wrote is this: “I never like to be reactionary and follow anything that may just be hyperbole.” The first step is finding self-awareness, Allen.
Oh, I got no doubt that the top brass are that stupid.
~dutch
I posted the Navy’s response up above. Read it. They say ‘no charges are being made’.
You forgot the “…at this time…” part, Ex.
Yeah, I like that disclaimer myself. At this time, I am still skeptical that the Navy will do anything to West, but since a drawdown is underway, AT THIS TIME, he may be offered the option of an early out AT THIS TIME.
At that web site, there’s a lot of interesting comments being posted, including the caveat, “no charges are being made AT THIS TIME”, which leaves the door open for future prosecution.
No inside info here but perhaps a tad bit of insight.
Simply based upon knowing with surety that most career military members know folks and know other folks who know folks, it is entirely plausible that any retired officer could be fed information (true or not) for release, planned or not. It is also entirely possible that when he said it, charges were about to drop, but in the interest of discrediting Allen West, they are now not being considered. For now.
Doesn’t matter much how it came about – at least for now, the guy who did the right thing in spite of rules to the contrary will not be punished for his decision.
There’s always the “wait 10 days, the public will move onto something else, then announce in a Friday news dump” gambit.
That gambit works damn near every time it’s played.
Or…
They can go with the “give the msm a month to turn people out and put them on their knees by a relentless propaganda campaign, then prosecute” gambit too.
When the first fails the finger in the air check, the second always wins, eventually.
“Stories of Navy personnel being charged with an offense are not true. There is still a long way to go in reviewing the facts of this tragic incident, but at this time we can confirm no service member has been charged with an offense,” Navy spokesman said.
This is obviously a hedge your bets statement. Notice they did not say that they would not charge him. I doubt they will. I would not want to be either the idiot who directed charges be filed, any Navy spokesman or The Pres’s mouthpiece at the first presser.
The Court of Public Opinion can be a truly harsh mistress, as we all know from past episodes of her visits.
Remember, we still have 18 months to go under this egregious bunch of jackwagons pretending to themselves that they are running things. They have no grasp of what people really want and never will, nor do they care.
I don’t think LCDR White can be made into a scapegoat over this incident, no matter how badly bodaprez and his sycophants may want to do so.
With the repeated assaults on groups of people, do you think anyone – any reasonable person – would accept doing that to him? If anyone is at fault, it is that marone in the Oval Office and the puppet whose strings she’s yanking around.
Of course I can’t find it now, but one of my Facebook friends did an amazing job of tracing the original source to a conservative blogger what he described as a guy in a cabin who has a history of fabricating stories. Then Navy Public Affairs festers the story with a classic answer that gives them the option of reversing if needed.
Sorry but my gut is saying, “Move along, nothing to see here”
Maybus is a dingbat, but I can’t think that he would bring charges. I can see Lt. Cmdr White getting a letter of reprimand. But even that would be a bad idea. Maybus would have a mutiny on his hands.
In the interest of just making shit up …
The administration should say nothing about LCDR White shooting back. They get the option of prosecuting if that works for them and the advantage of wondering, “ya know, if someone tries to shoot up a recruiting station, someone might shoot back … ” They don’t have to change the weapons policy. Is this too obscure for this administration?
Once again Ltc. West is running his mouth off, based on rumor. I once had a very deep respect for the man, I served in Vicenza at the same time as him.
Yet now he has become one of the biggest rumor mills online.
I would concur on this and say that he’s probably doing it, and/or being told by advisers to do it as the only way to combat the RUMORINT bullshit coming out of the liberal media and liberal politik.
I’m not saying its right or wrong to do that, I’m just saying that is what I’m figuring as to the causation.
Apparently it’s not only West. Former SECNAV Webb also apparently got the same info and went public with it. See
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/08/03/navy-official-not-ruling-out-charging-service-member-who-fired-on-chattanooga/
The man is going to lose his command, at a minimum. Regardless of how you feel about allowing military to cart, regardless of how he was able to thwart the further murder of the people present on his facility, you have to admit he is in direct violation of a lawful order by carrying his personal weapon on the facility, of which he is the CO. What is the likelihood that it was the first time he’d done that, coincidentally on that particular day? Whether the Navy decides to charge him with that offense, he cannot now administer discipline at his command when he himself has a known violation of the UCMJ. I hope they don’t; his return of fire, even if it wasn’t the cause of Abdulazeez’s death, probably at least caused him to stop firing and attempt to flee. But his days as a CO are probably numbered, best case scenario.
Taken from “The Charge of Command” (Memorandum), Department of the Navy, 8 NOV 11
Title 10 Section 5947:
“[…] and to take all necessary and proper measures, under the laws, regulations, and customs of the naval service, to promote and safeguard the morale, the physical well-being, and the general welfare of the officers and enlisted persons under their command or charge.”
http://www.npc.navy.mil%2Fbupers-npc%2Fofficer%2FDetailing%2FDocuments%2FThe%2520Charge%2520of%2520Command_11_8_2011_9_28_40.pdf
So as commanding officer, you are charged to safeguard the physical well-being of those in your command, but …
Yes, the operative part of that memorandum being “under the laws, regulations, and customs of the naval service…”, which he violated by carrying his personal weapon on the facility, contrary to DoD instruction.
Again, I hope that nothing happens to him, but I can’t see how he can violate DoD regulations and remain in command. He’ll be transferred somewhere to finish out his 20 and then go home with an honorable discharge.
The Admiral of NAV SOUTHEAST put this to bed 2 weeks ago.
Again, he may get a slap on his wrist … However he has already been given a high five by Navy, USMC, FBI and locals.
NCIS is small potatoes now!
Regardless as to whether or not he is charged, his life in the command lane will cease to exist. This is just another opportunity to further cleanse the military of good leaders with good sense. Look back over the past 18 months how so many have been trimmed from active rosters. Inevitably they will quietly show him the door, suggesting it will be a good choice to retire while possible; as opposed to risking it all in a potential court martial.
^^^^Yep^^^^
Lt. Commander knew he was going to be charged the second he pulled his weapon. But, did it anyway to save his sailors and Marines. That’s what leadership looks like. Wonder if he knew or had coordinated with the Marine that was also carrying?
Reminds me of a guy, I think his name was David Farragut.