12 Sailors involved in shower videos
Earlier this month, we talked about the sailor who was busted for making shower videos of female crew members of the USS Wyoming, an Ohio-class submarine. Fox News reports that 11 more sailors were involved in the incident;
U.S. Navy sailors are suspected of viewing secretly recorded videos of female shipmates undressing in a submarine shower, the Navy Times reports.
The scandal, exposed early this month by the Navy Times, has impaired the Navy’s gender-integration effort begun four years ago.
The investigation report reveals that at least one sailor has been implicated in the production and distribution of the videos, while 11 others are suspected of watching the tapes and failing to report them to their commanders.
From the Navy Times;
All of those implicated are petty officers, most of whom had seen or known about the videos but did not report it, said a senior Navy official familiar with the investigation. The official emphasized that only one sailor, a second class petty officer, is believed to have recorded and distributed them using a smart phone.
“This was not 11 guys, each with different” cameras, said the source. “It was really one guy doing the videography piece and then sharing it with other people.”
“We think the 7 videos were shot with a cell phone,” he added.
I think Stevie Wonder said he saw this coming. But, hey, at least the social engineers got women on boats, right? That’s what counts.
Category: Navy
Regardless of how Women got on the Subs. They are there and this is some F-ing creep breaking the law. Their service should not be discredited by this act or by statements questioning if they belong there.
As a point: Women use less oxygen and eat less food than Men. They are also much better social interacters then Men, so they are actually better suited for Sub life than men.
CB I don’t disagree with the point that this guy needs to be prosecuted, but I’m wondering exactly where you obtained any expertise on Submarine operations. What boat did you qualify on?
Wow Ray that is cheap shot. Did not know that you wanted to turn some BH into a DF.
Cheap shot? No, just a valid question. You say that women are more suited to Submarine life. I’m asking you where you obtained your familiarity with Submarine life. It’s a simple question.
Can someone secretly video these asswipes dropping trow and lathering up, then distribute it? Or would a public demo be more appropriate punishment?
On a more serious note, if this is an ‘authority’ issue, it isn’t taking place on the boats alone. It’s everywhere.
Was Major Margaret “HotLips” Houlihan a real blond?
Nope. Super Duper Slo-Mo of the shower scene reveals the carpet doesn’t match the drapes.
You gotta feel sorry for the poor investigators on the sub case. They may have to watch those videos eight or nine times before they understand the plot.
Navy type question here. Before the gender integration on subs, did they do anything about guys filming other dudes in the shower and watching it later?
Different subject: best of luck today, amigo.
Hondo…Thank you my friend and thank you to all of my brothers and sisters here in my TAH family. I am in the BEST of hands…God’s, so whatever comes is okay with me. I feel assured it will go as smoothly a routine dental exam.
LOL, now that’s the question ! I hope we are up in arms about this because it’s a nasty thing to do to a PERSON, not just because it was females video’d…..
Is one of those unsafe threads where everyone is supposed to walk on eggshells or be accused of all sorts of horrible things? Reportedly, 11 saw or more of the videos or knew of them, but kept quiet. What would you have done if you were sent or heard about the videos? Sure, if it was your wife, sister, or girlfriend, blah, blah, blah. But the targets of the videos weren’t your wife, sister, or girlfriend. So, what would you have done? The answer is easy, right? You know that one or more of your friends saw the video, so you immediately report him. Right?
Nah, no eggshells, AirCav.
But the guy who did this is reported to having authority issues with women, and it’s most likely that his buddies egged him on.
However, if he has authority issues with women, he probably has other authority issues as well, regardless of environment.
Put this in a civilian setting: many women are supervisors of entire departments. As happens all the time, some are good bosses, some are not. The difference between civilian and military work places is that if you don’t like your civilian boss, you can quit your job and find another. Not so much in the military.
So it really boils down to this: if he has issues with women bosses in the military, what would he be like in a civilian job? And how much does he blame his failures on other people, especially if they are women in authority over him?
He obviously has hostility toward women, especially those senior to him, people who can order him around. He would probably act the same way in a civilian job. I ran into this in both military and civilian work. It’s not something new.
His eleven buddies who watched that crap with him should have known better, probably did, but they sound quite juvenile, and now they’ve all become part of a problem that he created out of a dislike of women bosses.
Doing a secret video of some woman taking a shower buck naked and showing it around as an act of revenge for perceived wrongs is infantile.
That’s not how you ‘get even’ with people. You ‘get even’ by outdoing them.
No disagreement, Ex. Civilian jobs are, by their nature, quite different. Aside from employees not sharing life 24/7, there not being many people living away from those they love for months at a time. And I doubt that there are many people under 21 working for IBM or Exxon. What the filmer did was wrong and he will be hanged from his toe nails for it, no doubt. But I really do wonder what I would have done IF someone showed me the video way back when. I tend to think I would have said, “That’s f–ked up” and left it at that, w/o reporting the matter. But I really don’t know.
I admit it is hard to get my mind around a plausible answer. As a 17 year old PFC I am sure my response would have been different than say when I was a SSgt.
I doubt there would have been a time when I would not have put an end to it. I was never much for ‘reporting’ things. You don’t have to search hard to find a Marine who served with me that would call me a prick. You will never find one Marine I wrote charges on. Not one. A review of my records will reveal some entertaining reading of many against me.
My best guess is, a quick laugh, followed by get rid of that shit. If I seen or heard of it again probably someone is getting the shit kicked out of them. Then I am up for Captains Mast refusing to state why we are standing there.
Pretty sure my records will support that. Bottom line, it might have happened but it would not have continued. We wouldn’t be reading about it in some paper, that I can promise.
I have spent a lot of time on ship for prolonged periods of time. Never with women stationed aboard. It would have taken 1 of these pussies to stand the phuk up and stop it.
Finally, what will not sound popular but more than likely true. I would not have been in the shower alone if there were women on board. That’s just the way it is.
Yeah, I butchered that. Make the corrections as you go, please.
Overheard in line at the base exchange:
Are you kidding? If you put a camera in the womens shower on my ship, it would look more like a scene from Gorilla’s in the Mist. Or Godzilla.
Yeah, and as I recall, shower time wasn’t exactly sexy like it is in the movies. No slow motion shots, people taking turns lathering eachother up, or horsing around. Pretty much get in, scrub whatever stinks and leave. Doesn’t sound like something I’d be interested in watching no matter who was involved.
Gorilla’s in the Mist. Or Godzilla.
OK I larfed WAY too hard at that….
Ever since I wrote that, I’ve been hearing the Japanese version of Godzilla’s roar
All.
Day.
Long.
Keep in mind that these are officers… There;s a certain novelty involved.
Not defending the douche who stuck his phone in the shower, but 3-6 months underwater likely does strange things to a man. I know I’ve done plenty of stupid shit (not like this, mind you) that seemed like a great idea at the time.
I am glad my sea time was spent when females were not allowed on ship but anyone above the rank of E3 should have known what to do when these videos were going around.
Like it or not female sailors are now serving on ships and they are fellow crew members presumably potentially sailing in harms way…and they volunteered to go in harms way. Captains mast for the PO2 and bust him to Seaman, all other POs that participated in distributing this video lose a stripe, any that just watched the video and didn’t report it fine them.I would also consider booting them from the sub service instead on the reductions or fines which I would think would be a much worse punishment.
so a second class is what, maybe 20 years old? Who would have thought that a twenty year old could do something this immature (PH2 hit the nail on the head with this word!) That is always going to be the problem with social engineering – for a long time there will be those who adapt slowly or not at all, and disregarding that fact leads to trouble.
We had co-ed barracks at one unit in Germany – even to coed latrines and showers which had really high walls so you never knew who was in the stall next to you. Only knew of one enterprising fella who shinnied up the wall to get a look (who got caught) – he fell down one of those stone staircases in the barracks. A few times.
Okay, but would you say the same thing about the civilian workplace, if this happened? It did, but a very long, long time ago.
The only real difference between military and civilian work environments is that military is a closed system and civilian is not.
At the end of the work day, on a ship you don’t go home to your house or apartment. You’re with these people 24/7, as someone else pointed out, and if you can’t trust someone who works for or with you, there is a problem.
Never served on a sub so am making an assumption here which may or may not be correct. Wouldn’t the shower be one of the very few places on a sub with any expectation of privacy for everyone assigned to the sub? Just seems here that it is reasonable for pics of anyone taking a crap or a shower wouldn’t be condoned no matter who the subject might be.
I don’t think anyone is condoning this idiocy, OWB. Young men and women do absolutely stupid stuff sometimes. And no matter how much you screen/train/educate, the old saying remains true: “There’s one in every crowd.”
I’m guessing the guy will end up facing a court-martial. IMO he’ll be lucky if he’s offered NJP and only gets busted to E1.
However, IMO anyone who didn’t foresee this (or something like this) happening sooner or later was deluding themselves. Given the high-tech consumer equipment available these days and human nature (and human stupidity), I cannot say I’m surprised at all.
Been following this story here and elsewhere.
Plain fact is that I have no/zero/nil useful frame of reference save this: When you put young people in certain environments silly things are simply gonna happen. Add to that the tech available now days and Viola! Yet another (expletive) reality TV show, Or some pics posted to FaceBook, etc, that you can’t “take Back” later.
My inner geezer sayz it’s just a sign of the times.
Well, maybe the bigger picture isn’t visible. This is a bunch of overgrown children in adult bodies who condoned an act of petty revenge by someone who has not just authority issues, but female authority issues – he just doesn’t like being told what to do by women.
They all have clearances for secret stuff, and probably up to top secret, right? I’ll just go with ‘SECRET’, and add to my previous post that the PO2 can’t be trusted. It’s bad enough that he did it, but passing it around enough that it went to other ships and it was literally condoned until someone finally said ‘enough’.
What you’re missing is that this jackass can’t be trusted to keep his mind on his job. He’s more interested in feeding his bruised ego. Yes, women are like that, too, so don’t think I’m pounding on men. I’m not. He can’t be trusted, period. He has access to classified stuff. What is to keep him from handing off that classifed stuff for money to some sympathizer, someone who knows how to push all the buttons and looks for people like this jackass?
Nothing.
You may think I’m stretching the point, but I’m not. It’s just a short step from this infantile, petty crap to something worse, especially when it involves a weak, wounded ego.
I’m not suggesting what this asshat and his cronies did wasn’t simply WRONG, BTW.
I do think that the current PC environment simply doesn’t make it surprising. Mores the pity.
Just noted that you may have been commenting on something other than my comment, above. I stick with this anyway.
OK, the powers that be are properly outraged over this incident. What is going to be their reaction when the Navy, following the lead of the SecAF, and the White House, allows transgendered men to use the shower with the women? Or, the transgendered women to shower with the men? Will there be the same howls of outrage, or will there be the usual lament that the knuckle draggers just don’t get it, that this is the wave of the future?
BINGO! And then the TV reality show debuts.
Using yer “Knuckle Dragger” reference. I have had moments over the past 40+ years when I would have been happy to serve another hitch if needed. No longer though.
Same here, Zero, and it’s why my oldest is running for the exits after 25 years in the USMC.
I did think about that, but it really isn’t the issue here. Those ideas are promoted with no thought to the consequences for the people who have to deal with the reality, which in my best guess will be unpleasant.
No, my point was and is solely about someone who has issues with authority, and specifically with women in authority. What he did was indeed criminal. I’m sure he would not like it if someone did that to him.
The least you can say about him is that he’s a peeping tom, the worst is that he’s a sex offender, but that glosses over the real issue which is his engaging in some sort of revenge.
The other stuff isn’t the issue here, which is why I didn’t bring it up.
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I was thinking, it also keeps the mind of another 11 guys in the job, as a guy if I saw a video of a naked girl, it’ll creep up to me when I see her, is absolutely normal problem is it will take your mind of the job. Military women tend to be fit, so it’ll be obviously pleasing to the eye, but at the same time .. I don’t know, I’ve never been in a sub I have literally NO idea how is there, I do presume the assumption of privacy is pretty much gone? (anyone here correct me if I’m wrong) as is a tight small space? …
So maybe this guys are so used to that they in their mind the privacy fence is gone or moved so much that for them is “normal” to watch ppl shower? …. any comments? should i just go back to mowing the lawn and stuff?
Sure would be easier to judge this if the post actually had the video evidence. The subsequent distribution of this evidence probably bears some resemblance to the “Peter Principle”.
Not in my Navy and most certainly not on my watch.
This behavior is criminal in nature and should be handled as such.
We’ve got bush!
I’m shocked! Shocked! Next thing you know there will be pregnant soldiers and sailors unable to deploy and degrading the effectiveness and readiness of their units.
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