These are the guys Obama wants advice from

| November 15, 2008

The other day, I posted this picture (actually a screenshot from a video) of Veterans For Peace clown, Bill Perry kissing IVAW’s Adam Kokesh on the cheek in front of the media at the Nassau County courthouse;

Then my mole sends me this picture of Matthis Chiroux, notorious deserter who plays torture victim for the Maoist-founded organization Not In Our Name horsing around with Nick Morgan – the poor guy who was stomped by a horse in Nassau County when he failed to follow the directions of the police.

TSO thinks IVAW is shifting their attention to the Afghan war, but I’m guessing that now that the war in Iraq is nearly over, they’ll be heading out West to protest the passage of Proposition 8.

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Nadine

You interpret these playful pics as erotic. Are you sure you’re not the one getting off? Be honest about your own sexuality.

Jonn wrote: Um, Lemme guess – Nadine Lubka who claims to have had her nose broken in the same Nick Morgan incident? Believe me, even if I were wrestling with my sexuality, the thought of some commie cowards kissing each other and licking each other would send me back to the ranks of normal straight people. And the question here isn’t my sexuality, it’s how anyone can put their faith in these goofballs to influence our national security policy.

Thus Spake Ortner

I’m still fairly convinced that Matthis is a hermaphrodite, so that’s not as gay as it is fooked up.

ponsdorf

You interpret these playful pics as erotic

Playful pics? Maybe if you happen to be into homo-erotica?

TSO might be intrigued?

Thus Spake Ortner

“TSO might be intrigued?”

TSO has a girlfriend now, and she (probably unlike Nadine)shaves and thus doesn’t look simian.

Nadine

First of all, what evidence do you have that I claimed to have my nose broken? Clearly you still believe everything you hear in the media.

I was merely pointing out that it is an interesting coincindence that the vets you post pics of tend to be especially attractive, and you imbue these pics with a sense of eroticism.

Finally, cowards hide. They don’t face down mounted police with batons and don’t make public pronouncements that could lead to time in prison.

Jonn wrote: First of all, in whose book is Bill Perry attractive?

Secondly, the media that I “believed” which you claimed to have broken your nose to, was your own “progressive” media. Like this one that even complains the corporate media didn’t cover the event;

And this one written by Matthis Chiroux himself;

Thirdly, who is hiding? I’ve been right in the middle of a good number of IVAW events over the last year. You can even watch a video on YouTube where I confronted Kokesh, and he knew who I was from the get-go. I blog under my real name because I’m not afraid of you goofballs.

And bravery isn’t “facing down” US cops who are restrained by a free people and their laws. Bravery would be if you faced down some Venezuelan cops or spent time in a Cuban jail.

Now wipe the snot from your (broken or unbroken as the case might dictate) nose. Your rich, white girl upbringing doesn’t give you any claim to being brave…or even a little bit scared.

Ray

Bravery… hmmmm… isn’t Matthis Chiroux the one who is refusing deployment to a war zone? Now he’s “hiding” out at home (although… it doesn’t seem anybody is looking for him) licking his buddy. Ya know, I’ve been drunk, had fevers and concussions, I’ve even been on narcotics for a shattered leg… it NEVER occured to me to try and lick a male friend. Sorry… That is just Ghey to the Nth degree.

Besides…It was just an accident these twits got injured. The horses were just confused when they couldn’t figure out how their asses got in front of them.

Nadine

Okay so you only “believe” the progressive media. May I suggest from now on you check ALL sources? More to the point, nowhere in that article does it state that I claim to have had my nose broken. Learn to read. Btw, if you consider an inner-city public school teacher to be an occupation that makes someone rich, may I suggest you find a more lucrative profession? You must be hurting.

Jonn wrote: You’re a real rocket surgeon aren’t you, Nadine? Your comments here only reinforce my belief that teachers are the stupidest people in our society. Oh, and I’m not hurting because every time the police tell me to move along, I do just that.

Ray

“inner-city public school teacher” OK… that explains a LOT. No wonder those Inner City school test scores are skyrocketing.

ArmySergeant

You know, it’s kind of funny how often the stereotypical responses come in, complete with the obligatory homosexual-baiting. Adam Kokesh and Matthis Chiroux and Nick Morgan fool around sometimes on camera because they’re pretty secure in their sexuality. Much as it may pain me on occasion, most IVAW guys get more women than they know what to do with, and probably a /lot/ more women than many of the guys reading this blog. None of those three to my knowledge are gay-but you know what? Not only would it not bother me if they were, but it wouldn’t make their statements about the war any more or less valid. People are attracted to who they are attracted to, and personally, it’s no skin off my teeth which team they play for, except that gay men take some good looking bastards out of the dating pool. As for Nadine..wow. You guys have no idea who the hell she is, or what she looks like, but you’re coming in with the ‘I bet you don’t shave’ and ‘You must be a rich white kid of privilege’. I’m a female who’s definitely not rich, and definitely a Heinz 57 of nationalities, and I shave legs and armpits and have no attraction to birkenstocks. I’m far from the exception. Most of the women we work with are both beautiful and fabulous-in fact, I seem to recall you guys here at this blog attacking us for that around Winter Soldier time? Something about how the men were probably only doing it for the “hot activist chicks”? Your attempts to stereotype are both ignorant and a distraction from the real issues. I will say that while I was in the States Jonn went to some IVAW events, was present for one day of Winter Soldier and came to Winter Soldier on the Hill as well. However, i haven’t seen any live coverage for a while… Also, Jonn, there’s really no need to make grandiose statements about moles. If by moles you mean ‘on an IVAW supporter email list and able to find items widely published to… Read more »

ArmySergeant

Also, wow, moderated comments now? No wonder the posting has slowed down.

Jonn wrote: Some comments get flagged for language that spammers use. I get about 1000 spam comments every day, so some language deletes the comments, other language sends it to moderation. The price of leaving comments open to everyone.

ArmySergeant

Wait, one was moderated and one wasn’t? What twigged it, sexuality?

Skye

Inner-city public school teacher = lowered expectation guru.

Skye

Moderated comments, for some, perhaps.

Nadine

You have pretty much been wrong on everything. I am neither, rich nor white. I never claimed to have broken my nose and the “progressive” media never stated I made such claims. I shave, (as if it matters). The guys are not gay (as if it matters either).

As for teachers being dumb, maybe that has been your experience, which may be a contributing factor in the unmitigated ignorance of your pronouncements.

ArmySergeant

Yeah, I figured out what word twigged the filter, and it probably makes sense if Jonn’s been getting spammed. The price of fame, I suppose.

ponsdorf

You know, it’s kind of funny how often the stereotypical responses come in, complete with the obligatory homosexual-baiting.

Hey AS. Your pal Nadine actually set the tone for the exchange here with her first comment, dontcha think?

Thus Spake Ortner

Man, the sense of humor of the left must have run away to Canada, or is sitting in Okinawa ready to appear at the first need.

I never actually believed you didn’t shave, nor that the IVAW guys are having freaky monkey love with each other. It was humor based on stereotypes. So fricken relax a little will you? Holy crap.

Thus Spake Ortner

I’ve been censored! I’ve been censored! RIght wing fascists!

Oh wait, there it is. Disregard.

Rurik

Just as a point of curiousity. I remember a couple years back when Vladya Putin took time from a ceremony in Red Square to kiss some random 12 year old boy on the belly. Everyone, even in Russia thought that was strange. This Chiroux guy is even worse.

Thus Spake Ortner

How dare you compare this honorable discharged super combat veteran of numerous engagements at the Baskin Robbins in Afghanistan of being a former KGB agent. have you no shame?

This man risked clogged arteries to give you the right to make fun of his homo-erotic showings of fraternal (?) love for other malcontents.

ponsdorf

This man risked clogged arteries to give you the right to make fun of his homo-erotic showings of fraternal (?) love for other malcontents.

SHAME, SHAME I say! These are just a few young folks who enjoy grab-a$$ing for the camera.

You musta never played sports, and maybe you were an officer as well. Quit picking on ’em to salve your conscious.

Maybe Nadine was right after all?

Thus Spake Ortner

Knowing how little I like being touched by other men (except the occasional new years man hug) my troops liked to wait until I was counting them into the wire, then would slap my ass and say “good game.” Because apparently if you say “good game” while you do it, it isn’t gay.

Jonn wrote: Apparently slapping another man’s ass when he’s wearing a parachute isn’t gay either.

ponsdorf

Knowing how little I like being touched by other men

That’s just sad. So when WE finally meet a hug and a sloppy kiss on the cheek is out of the question?

And Jonn, wearing a parachute don’t mean fizz. It’s that next step that matters. When WE meet I’ll slap yer a$$ if it makes ya happy.

Rats… I’m having tooooo much fun here. Must be doing something wrong.

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ArmySergeant

TSO: Nah, I’m just tired of the damn activist stereotypes. Half the women get accused of not actually being activists because we don’t dress/look the part. In fact, I was literally almost barred from access at an event once because someone thought I didn’t “look like I belonged”.

I know you don’t actually think the boys are getting it on or anything, but you’ll have to admit it’s a cheap shot. “Obama, he’s listening to teh gheys!”

ponsdorf: You know my standards remain constant, no matter that of the enemy, right? One person’s challenge is no excuse.

Jonn: So, Winter Soldier to Archives…we got a good solid week before losing all humanity? Good to know, I suppose.

Raoul

Hey A/S,

“Yeah, I figured out what word twigged the filter, and it probably makes sense if Jonn’s been getting spammed. The price of fame, I suppose.”

Nice non-apology there. You come in, lie about the host, that he’s moderating the forum so he can drop your comments.

Don’t ever talk about other people taking cheap shots.

PS: the “lie about the host” part is there to illustrate how easy and how unfair it is to claim someone “lied” when they were in fact wrong.

ArmySergeant

Raoul: I never thought that Jonn was particularly moderating only me. I thought he had turned on moderation for the entire forum. If I had been paranoid enough to think that Jonn was moderating me and only me, considering the crop of interesting characters he gets on TAH, I would have owed him a very, very abject apology once I realized my error.

If you have evidence of me stating someone lied when they were wrong, please show me.

Also, I’m confident that if Jonn was going to start dropping my commentary (which he may well do someday) he’d just put up a post saying something like “No IVAW Allowed: This Means You, Army Sergeant”

GI JANE

Army Sergeant:

The more you try to stick up for your IVAW buddies, the more foolish you look. Instead of distancing yourself from the phony ‘war veterans’ and their stupid behavior and rhetoric, you choose to be a part of their disgraceful thuggery.

You have lost what little credibilty you had. Hint: It doesn’t help being a member of the IVAW.

Skye

In fact, I was literally almost barred from access at an event once because someone thought I didn’t “look like I belonged”.

Hmmm, never had that problem.