Bergdahl the Wanderer
According to the Washington Times, quoting from a “classified” report, Bowe Bergdahl has wandered off from his unit twice before the last and most famous “walk”;
A classified Pentagon report on Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s dissappearance in Afghanistan outlined how the soldier had wandered away from his unit on two occasions — once during training in California and once from an outpost in Afghanistan — prior to going missing in June 2009.
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“We have no indication that he intended to leave permanently,” one government official familiar with the probe told Military Times. Several soldiers in Bergdahl’s unit told investigators that Bergdahl had previously talked about a desire to leave the base unaccompanied and may have done so and returned unharmed at least once before the night he disappeared, the official said.
It really doesn’t matter that he didn’t intend to leave permanently, I’m pretty sure there were rules against leaving the wire and wandering around at night to smell the flowers, or to have congress with goats or whatever excuse he’ll use. It’s not his intentions that counts, it’s the result.
Henry Mark Holzer writes a little history of past deserters and how they were punished and he concludes that given the lessons of the past, Bergdahl has little to worry about.
As the credulous are joyous over the safe return of Sgt. Bowe Berghdal after nearly five years of Haqqani captivity, and as every hour the Internet traffic swells with questions about whether Bergdahl was a deserter, sadly, if it’s the latter he probably won’t have too much to worry about.
Not only because Obama, Hagel, and others occupying dark corners of the administration now have a vested interest in Bergdahl and the POW narrative that they’ve wrapped him in, and not only because of the parades and keys to the city that will be proffered, but because the Pentagon’s track record of severely punishing desertion leaves much to be desired.
As far as the release of the five Guantanamo alumni, the Pentagon had successfully fended off White House attempts to release them before, but this time they were told to “suck it up and salute” according to Time Magazine as quoted in the Washington Times;
“This [sudden release] was out of the norm,” [an anonymous Pentagon official] continued. “There was never [a] conversation.”
“Obama’s move was an ultimate victory for those at the White House and the State Department who had previously argued the military should ‘suck it up and salute,’ says the official familiar with the debate,” reported Time.
National Security Counsel Deputy for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes told the magazine that “there was not a dissent on moving forward with this plan,” from representatives at the Pentagon, State Department, intelligence community and Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Officials who spoke with Time contradict that claim, saying of the released terror suspects: “These five are clearly bad dudes.”
But, like I’ve said before, it’s easier to ask forgiveness than it is to ask for permission.
And then there’s this from Fox News;
U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a “mujahid,” or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News.
The reports indicate that Bergdahl’s relations with his Haqqani captors morphed over time, from periods of hostility, where he was treated very much like a hostage, to periods where, as one source told Fox News, “he became much more of an accepted fellow” than is popularly understood. He even reportedly was allowed to carry a gun at times.
I could mitigate some of that. I would say crazy stuff to keep my head attached to my neck, too, so I’m between not believing it and not caring about it. But, it may affect you differently.
Category: Barack Obama/Joe Biden, Terror War
The ex was in Sharana for a year when they built the PRT and I had friends at Gardez..
Paktika Province is not a place where you wander off and expect to return.
Fact: Bergdahl walked off his post.
Fact: Men died in attempts to rescue him.
Fact: At some point Bergdahl lent, moral sympathy and religious sympathy to his captures.
Fact: Bergahl did not stay the course of The Code of Conduct and continue to try to escape.
Possible Fact: Bergdahl lent military support and intelligence of his AO to his captors.
Fact: Bergdahl, from all accounts of his squad members, talked of this, planned this and then executed his plan.
Those things to me are enough to call him a deserter and quite possibly a traitor. I lean towards both at this point.
“Oh, but he asked his Team Leader if he would get in trouble if he left taking his rifle and NVGs, and the TL said yes. So obviously that meant he could go as long as he left the sensitive items.”
I was told that by a very Obama can do no wrong and everyone who even thinks otherwise is a bigot neighbor of mine.
With all due respect to your comment that Bergahl did not stay the course of The Code of Conduct and continue to try to escape, I have to say I think that is ridiculous. #1, reports have indicated he attempted to escape once, possibly twice. I’m sure he was scared and it’s also been indicated that he was physically abused, including being put in a dark box/cage as a form of punishment for trying to escape. I’m sure that what he did once he was in captivity was done with the intent to survive. Hopefully, he didn’t give them any seriously sensitive information as has been suggested. But saying that he went against the Code of Conduct because he didn’t continue to try to escape is ludicrous to me. I can’t begin to imagine what he went through during those 5 years. Having said that, I do believe that he is no hero. Whether he deliberately deserted or he just wandered off to “smell the roses” and was captured, he is responsible for those actions.
Well, there you have it, friends and neighbors. The little special snowflake Sparkle Pony went out the wire to tiptoe through the tulips. Isn’t that sweet?
Capital punishment just got pushed right off the table, before the trial even begins. The gutless, spineless, honorless bastards in charge are building a mental instability defense around this traitor before he even gets out of his hospital gown.
Back when my Grandpa (WWII vet) was still around, he used to say that in his day, they shot traitors and they shot deserters. The only exceptions being that if there was time and resources for a gallows, they’d hang instead. Basically, Bergdahl would be getting either a blindfold or a noose either way.
When did we stop doing that?
When we became a nation of victims and personal responsibility went out the window.
Here’s music to read this thread by:
Johnny Cash & U2 – The Wanderer…
Very good.
Well, it ain’t gonna be “Coming Home Soldier”.
I’m the type of guy that likes to roam around.
So, the Office of Propaganda is not trying to claim that because he wandered away from his post before, his capture wasn’t because of desertion?
In order to prove desertion it is necessary to prove that he willingly absented himself with the intent of remaining away permanently, or that he quit his unit to avoid hazardous duty.
Any competent defense attorney would portray his absence as being AWOL and that during the AWOL he was taken prisoner thereby preventing his return.
December 1968 or January 1969 I took my platoon east of Con Thein to interdict NVA crossing the DMZ. We set up on the north side of the ‘trace’ (a cleared area south of the DMZ). We dug in with the intention to move after dark to 3 separate ambush sites. A black Marine had joined the platoon several weeks earlier. Tensions between black and white Marines was growing in the rear but hadn’t yet reached the bush until his arrival. He was what was called a “Sea Lawyer”. He knew the rules and never overstepped them but he pushed it. He was an agitator talking to black Marines about black power, whitey’s war, etc. He basically was a shit bird. We tried non judicial methods to motivate him but could never nail him doing something worth a court martial. Just before dark he came to my hole and told me he wasn’t fighting the “white man’s war” no more. I told him to return to his squad and I would deal with him in the morning. We are in a very bad place, miles from anywhere. His squad leader came over a few minutes later and told me the Marine had told him he quit and was walking south to Dong Ha. Nothing in my training had prepared me for this situation. He was armed and hostile as far as I was concerned. If the NVA caught him they would make him a prisoner if lucky but more likely cut off his balls and leave them in his mouth. I went after him with two Marines, a black Marine whom I trusted and the Platoon Guide. We caught up with him a 1/2 click away. I ordered him to lay down his weapon which he did. I did not want to kill him but we all knew it was a possibility. I kept him under guard with my CP group until morning. The next morning the Gunny flew out with shackles and flew him out. At the end of the month I was wounded and medivacked to Guam. I… Read more »
My question is: If he had a propensity for wandering off the reservation to begin with; why the hell was he still in country? Why wasn’t he chaptered and loaded on the next thing heading West? Why wasn’t he a Private E-nothing, instead of a PFC? Why the fuck was he promoted to SGT or even being considered for SSG now?
Q – If he had a propensity for wandering off the reservation to begin with; why the hell was he still in country? Why wasn’t he chaptered and loaded on the next thing heading West? Why wasn’t he a Private E-nothing, instead of a PFC?
A – This is the part that’ll lend a tad bit of credibility that there may have been leadership issues in his unit as reported – provided the leadership, and not just the lower enlisted knew of his wandering history. Of course they could also have held on to him because he would make a great bullet catcher.
Q – Why the fuck was he promoted to SGT or even being considered for SSG now?
A – Politics and “presumtion of innocence” I would surmise. But mainly politics and the hope that the Taliban would eventually cut his head off and he would no longer be an issue.
As Gomer Pyle used to say -“surprise, surprise, surprise!”
Out.
Actually the Army currently has an automatic promotion system set up. He was probably promoted under that.
Last i checked personnel policy was that if you are held captive or POW, you receive automatic promotions at the time you would be eligible. I know this dates back at least as far a Vietnam since several pilots received promotions while POWs.
Isn’t that like someone who has a tendancy to abuse controlled substances saying “I only intended to get high, I didn’t intend to piss hot on a drug urinalysis test”?
Maybe the Tailywackers slipped him some Poppy seed bagels before he slithered away.
I used love hearing that excuse after a melted PP cup.
People keep using the word “captured.” To the extent that a fish can be said to have been caught when it jumps out of the water and into your boat or, while you’re hunting deer, a buck runs into a tree where your stand is and kills himself, I suppose the word captured is okay to use in describing Bergdahl’s delivering himself to the Taliban.
Marriage = Captured???
Just wondering (not wandering)
more like = life sentence, doomed, et al
If by “captured” you mean “surrendered” then yes that’s what happened.
Do we have any evidence that he was a “captive?” Until we do, I object to the use of the term to describe his living conditions of the past few years. Show us the evidence that anyone or anything precluded his continuing his walk about back to the US Army.
Meanwhile, next time we go to a mall, we should attempt to consider that voluntarily going there and remaining there makes us “captives” of whoever manages the property.
Maybe we should also consider that Canada was holding “captive” a bunch of draft dodgers from back in the day. Yeah, right.
I have been monitoring Reddit and found a total of 1 (one) story, from several days ago, when Bergdahl was being treated merely as soldier being brought home.
This means my middle son, who will be old enough to vote in the next election, has no idea that this story exists.
Further, my junior in high school, had not heard of it at all, either.
Finally, via KPFK in San Diego, the Thom Hartmann show, I heard that Bergdahl is being deprived of his right to a presumption of innocence by those nasty, right-wing Republicans. This being California, I would have expected at least SOME consideration of Sen. Feinstein’s reaction.
This story is not being presented in key media outlets, and the Democratic Party at the national level via Harry Reid, is claiming that the criticism of Bergdahl’s behavior originates with Republicans in Washington, D.C. From where I sit, it looks like some people with knowledge reached out and shook some politicians by the collar.
OK, I hope this is not a re-post.
“We have no indication that he intended to leave permanently,”
Get out of jail free card courtesy of the US Government…
Lawyers being lawyers and all first thing you make note of is the fact this kid was wandering off regularly and no one did jack about stopping it….since he wasn’t disciplined previously for wandering around like a short bus Johnny Appleseed there was no reason for him to assume there would be a problem this time and he had every intention to come back same as he did previously…game over desertion fans. As to cooperation, well no one will prove that he did anything other than what was necessary to survive his harrowing ordeal, even learning his captors language to survive until his rescue by our heroic president.
I’m not seeing other narratives that get much publicity, certainly not seeing desertion or traitor happening. If it’s not in the record it will have never happened as Valerie points out.
Hello SSGT promotion and back pay…maybe not a ticker tape parade but no chance at residing in Leavenworth either.
Learning the language BEFORE he left his post goes to show premeditation, though. Not that they won’t try to excuse that away with all the rest of the bull they are putting out.
He learned the language ahead of time to better help the local citizens…at least that’s what will be put out.
I made an extremely diligent attempt to learn the language as well, does that show i planned to dessert?
Look we can only prosecute what we can prove and if the law says that to prove desertion then you need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did not plan to come back. that’s is not political (on of the few things from the pentagon that isn’t) that’s the law.
Also just as a reminder almost every single POW from Vietnam broke. there is a reason in the code of conduct it says i will resist TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. we know people will break. that does not make you a traitor. Unless someone can show me (prove beyond a reasonable doubt) that he willingly shared information i am included to to give him the benefit of the doubt on how he behaved while in captivity. now as to his actions that lead to his captivity that’s different. do the investigation, if the evidence supports desertion (which it seems to) then try him for desertion, if it only supports the legal definition of AWOL then try him for that. convict him of what we can prove and then knock him down to E1 and a OTH, maybe a Dishonorable, but no jail time. mitigation in this case is 5 years captivity.
No, learning the language does not by itself prove all that much, but it along with several other points of circumstantial evidence certainly can. And there are others, apparently many others, which indicate premeditation by Bergdahl.
Now, are you willing to give as much on the captivity thing? Who held him and where did they hold him captive? If you want to call it that, fine, but you need to also prove that he was indeed held somewhere against his will. Too many reports of him walking around freely, sometimes armed, among the local population for me to just accept that he was captive because someone wants to declare it so to support whatever agenda they might have.
To be blunt, i can’t show who held him the entire time or where, if the IC knows they are not saying (probably a good idea since i would likely revel sources and methods), That said however, i think that the evidence shows that he tried to escape at least two times, that to me is enough evidence that he was held against his will. add to that, if he did really did convert and actively help the Taliban I personally think they would have made a massive propaganda coup out of it. since they didn’t i draw the conclusion that any help he did provide was probably forced or tricked out of him. as far as him walking around armed a few things strike me, one this is based on local reports and from personal expirance i can tell you take anything said from afghan local with a huge grain of salt, but even if he was “armed” i wonder if that means what it sounds like. it is too easy to give someone an AK, have a mag in it but no rounds and make it look like something it is not. Hell if i was them i would do the same thing. I am not trying to find excuses for his behavior as a captive but it seems to me the stories and theories about him actively collaborating are slim. Not withstanding all of the above, if we want to punish him for anything we have to prove it. he doesn’t have to prove he was a prisoner because frankly i can’t see how he could (it would just be his word) but the government would have to prove he wasn’t again something that is almost impossible to prove. all this together is why i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. it is just to hard to determine what if anything he leaked willingly Vs. unwillingly. particularly since i am 100% sure he gave information, as i think 99% of people would as a prisoner for 5 years, as shown by the behavior… Read more »
I like that some of you are pointing out that we can’t PROVE anything here. And I’m not sure I am okay with the idea that he should be shot or jailed on charges of desertion when we can’t PROVE it. Learning the local language proves nothing. Like someone said, that along with several other things makes a circumstantial case for desertion, but I want to remain cautious of persecuting a young man based solely on circumstances.
Just because we do not have the information does not mean that the authorities who should have it do not. It is fairly safe to assume that the chain of command at the time DID have all the witness statements, dug into his background, documented all the facts of the case, and submitted copies of it all to assorted other officials.
It is also reasonable to assume that more than a couple extra copies of it all were stashed by investigators and others in case the official copies started disappearing.
It is no defense to assert that one broke a law because he previously broke the same law and was not prosecuted for it.
I was in Sharana in 2010-2011 putting back together blown up MRAPs. I had Kelly’s Heroes inspired notions of getting out to see the country. My plan was to build an MRAP out of spare parts and raid the town of Sharana to drink their beer and steal their ultra-secret legendary Pork Rib recipe. I just barely got outside the wire when a guy driving an EC130-H Compass Call locked his tractor beam onto me and drug me back in, thus saving my life. I never did get to thank him, I heard his call sign was “Hollywood”. To Hollywood, if you’re out there… Thanks Bro.
+1…
By chance did he do thins while accidently being shot down by a Marine?
I can’t speak to that Mr. Old Dog…I probably said too much just talking about the tractor beam!
What ever it takes to help the administration politically. Then again what did you expect from an administration that still calls the Fort Hood shooting work place violence.
If this tact does not work, I see his psych evaluation to show how screwed up he was or is and now is unable to be held responsible for any prior actions.
Every day it’s a new excuse for the administration to explain the unexplainable.
Everybody knows the only acceptable retort to such dishonor is seppuku.
His walking around and being butt buddies with the Taliban, even him being allowed to be armed doesn’t prove he was a callaborator. He attempted to escape once and was imprisoned.
He was alone, surrounded by guards and the chances of him escaping were probably astronomical. Unless evidence comes out saying he was giving out vital information and assiting the Taliban with their operations I would think that his behavior was that of someone trying to make the best of his situation.
That aside the desertion/UA charges and misbehavuir in the face of the enemy charges all have legs.
100% agreed. there is a reason the code of conduct says i will resist to the best of my ability.
If we are going to punish him, lets do it in a way that shows the best side of military justice not the worst.
The more I learn about Bowe Bergdahl and Bradly Manning, the more I wonder about the Army. There appears to be a pattern of mental health issues or misconduct with these characters. Yet, despite this pattern, they were deployed and given responsibility. Why?
Blame it on the Global War on Terror and the lowered standards. I know I will catch a lot of sh*t for that, but in my opinion, it’s true. With the ends to Iraq and Afghanistan nowhere in sight, the Army was having trouble getting new recruits. As a result, they lowered their standards. It begins in BCT when these soldiers are allowed to show their little “stress cards” warning the Drill Sergeants to back off. There’s no discipline and no respect anymore. When I went back to Ft. Sam Houston prior to my deployment, my old NCOIC from Walter Reed was the new NCOIC for the AIT training there at Ft. Sam. I was talking to some of the instructors about this. Recruits could now get the job with lower ASVAB scores. Also, there was soldiers there who had multiple Article 15’s, but there was basically little to punishment or discipline to turn them into decent soldiers. One girl had more than one Article 15 for stealing at the PX…..while still in AIT! And the instructors told me there was another student who had failed more than 3 tests. Used to be you could fail 2 tests….on the third one, you were out and you were re-classed to something lower. Now these instructors were being told to provide whatever counseling necessary and get the soldier out of AIT so they could do their job. I’m rambling now, but that’s my 2 cents.
Here what I think will happen. He gets an Article 15 for being A.W.O.L., demoted to E-4 with a Honorable Discharge. Then he gets service connected disability from the VA.
Who knows maybe a book deal and a movie. Michael Moore where are you?
Sh*t happens get over it.
I, Farflung Wanderer, as a formal representative for wanderers everywhere, do solemnly state: He wasn’t wandering-his mind got lost and he tried to find it.
To date, he hasn’t.