Kirjath Toney; the oddest phony

| May 5, 2014

Kirjath Toney Portrait

So we got this information on the guy who is with the Independent Order of Odd Fellows, an altruistic organization. So this Kirjath Toney fellow apparently takes advantage of them to make himself to be some kind of hero amongst them. You can see from his uniform that he claims a Purple Heart, a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. He’s already threatened to sue whoever is spreading these rumors about him, so I guess that means he’ll be suing the NPRC;

Kirjath Toney FOIA

Someone wrote to tell us that he was at Arlington recently “honoring” the folks buried there in his phony finery. I’m sure they felt honored by his presence.

Kirjath Toney Arlington

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Guardian of the Deep

“Suck deep, this breath of lies you embrace. It may sustain you in this life; it will choke you to death in the next.”

I just saw what my Dad wrote. I’m only 16 and I told him that was the best quote I’ve ever read.

My Dad is the best. He helps people who can’t help themselves. The rest, he fucks with, he can’t help himself. (He knows I wrote this. Or he will in a few minutes.)

HS Sophomore

Sorry, which commenter is your dad? It’s late and I went cross eyed trying to look through all those comments. And welcome to the blog; do stick around. Nice to have my fellow teenagers around. 😀

Open Channel D

I’m her dad.

ChipNASA

You BOTH kick ass.
😀

Valkyrie

A liar will support a liar and look to other liars to support their lies.

Kelley Harrop, not only is your lying friend going to be internet famous for being a liar but so will you! Wonder how long a school will let a person like you around young children? Because see we can (but are to honest) do to you exactly like your newest friend Michael did to Jonn, and spread lies on the internet. Sure would be a shame it rumors of a substitute teacher who like children a little to much got spread all over the place. I wonder if someone would just believe the lies because they didn’t like the person and try to ruin them instead of considering the source. See how that works you idiot!

How about you learn to read the truth and take some advice, stay out of this because shit tends to stick to the ones closest to the shitter!

Mr. Blue

The truth has nothing to do with why Kelly is here. Kelly is here because his “ministry” is about to be exposed for the scam that it really is. The last thing that Kelly want’s to know is the truth re: Phony Toney’s service.

Thus the mudslinging and attepts to discredit.

But you want to know something Kelly? All the info that Jonn is bring up is independantly verifiable through outside sources.

Thus, a bit of advice. Since it is rather obvious that you are a self-serving, dishonest, dishonarable little wolf in sheep’s clothing only in it for the money, ask yourself this. You’re linked into a guy who’s obviously a phony, and will be proven as such. There will be no profit in defending him, and you may well wind up needing to answer some tough questions in the future. Best to make a sudden discovery and cut the guy loose, rather than go down with the ship.

RM3(SS)

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JAGC

So is Phoney Toney & Friend saying that he did indeed earn all the rank and bling and that the official government records are incorrect? Or is there some other type of justification? I don’t see where they ever outright say it. Instead, it’s just more and more obfuscation. The only “evidence” is that the Loyal Order of Water Buffalos bought whatever his excuse is based on these mysterious papers that they talk about but won’t reveal, so we should buy it too. So I have a very simple question: Are you claiming that he earned all the rank and awards depicted in the photo? If so, do the records reflect this? Moreover, did an objective party review the records? If the records do not reflect the rank and awards, what is the general justification? For now, all we have is the official government records combined with a bit of common sense based on the photos and historical record.

Kelley Harrop

I noticed Jonn never said yes or no about meeting with Mr. Toney. The question is why? My guess Jonn would prefer to have his conversation of himself being filmed, and talking to a faceless person on his cell phone. Then put the film on youtube, to make himself look good in front of his own fans. Watching Jonn on youtube, I don’t know if he is really talking to the man he accuses of doing wrong. The other guy on the phone maybe a buddy of his playing the part to make Jonn look good for his fans. Wouldn’t it be better to meet face to face with Mr. Toney, with your camera Jonn, as he shows you his papers in a public place. By not giving a yes or no question, answers my question why you do not want to meet with him. It is because you want to continue the folly of you being the lone tough guy exposing who a real, and a fake vet is. The truth does not matter, only you looking like the so called hero defending our veterans. Another thing you are not saying yes or no to Jonn is telling the African-American community that you are sorry for calling an African-American an “ape.” These were your words John that you did say, as reported by Michael Yon. Are The world is changing Jonn, calling African-Americans racial names is of the past. The owner of the LA. Clippers is learning this the hard way. If I were to contact every man or woman you support for public office, I wonder if they would want your support if they find out you called an Afican-American an “ape.” This were your words you wrote on your own blog Jonn, no one wrote that word for you. Are you sorry for calling this man an “ape” yes or no? Since I know you wont answer my question about this I know your answer. So I shall not be bothered talking on your blog no more. I know the type of man that you are, since… Read more »

ArmyATC

And we know the type of man you are. Did you bother reading Yon’s blog? Somehow I doubt you did. Did you bother looking at this blog to see the FOIA info on Toney? Somehow I doubt you did. Did you bother checking out the links I posted for Silver Star recipients? The ones that show your buddy Toney was never awarded one? Somehow I doubt you did. It’s a good thing you wont be posting here anymore. You did post that before, yet here you still are. The fact that you lied about not posting here again (very Christian of you), and the fact that you refuse to look at the evidence against your buddy speaks volumes about your lack of honesty and character.

OIF '06-'07-'08

As a Born Again Christian(Baptist), I take deep offense to you and Toney both. You both are two hypocrites of the worst kind.

As for Jonn not giving you an answer, well he is in DC honoring a real hero, so go pund sand and again, blow your BS out of your arse. Jonn gives you the privelage to post here to get both sides of the story, and your side is nothing but lies.

ArmyATC

With all apologies to Willy Shakespeare.

It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,Signifying nothing.

Just an Old Dog

Kelley Kupcake,’ Jonn has been a bit busy today, attending the Medal of Honor ceremony at the White House for Sgt Kyle White. That probably took precedence over trying to set up a meeting with a phony, crusty dried up piece of dog shit like Phoney Baloney Toney. My question is, why does there need to be a meeting when a simple email or call could explain why your butt buddy’s awards are not in the system? Lets deal with the FACTS as shown in the post. 1. Kirjath Toney has been wearing several medals and badges ( silver star, bronze Star, purple heart and jump wings) as evidenced by photos 2. Toney’s records, as aquired from the archives do not show these awards. You and your asshole buddy have done nothing other than dispute him being outed other than say “you don’t have all the facts”. Well what are the facts and the documents that can be used to prove he earned these awards? What are the dates, units and specifics of each award?. Phoney Baloney Toney should have citations for them and a DD214 that has them on there. If he by some chance has them ( which I doubt) Jonn and the members of this Blog will be the first ones to help him get his records straight. Not only that I will issue a very public apology and write your “ministry” a check for 100 dollars. Phoney Baloney Toney’s service claims were questioned by a member of his own organization and the subsequent investigation and documents point to him being a fraud. It’s not helping his case when he makes a public appeal for help to get his service and medical records. That tells me he has zero documentation. Now enter you, one of Phoney Baloney Toney’s minions trying to prop up his bullshit. You don’t have a fucking clue about the military, and you have no evidence backing his claims. All you know is what he has told you. You have eaten that shit up like a mutt eats shit off a sidewalk. Your reaction… Read more »

RM3(SS)

Hey “Kelley” you’re a monkey’s ass. You obviously can’t defend the phoney so you change the conversation and attack. To quote the Gunny, “the best part of you ran down the crack of your mama’s ass and made a brown stain on the mattress.

Virtual Insanity

Kelley,

It’s been said repeatedly. The proof of Toney’s malfeasance is plainly posted above. All else is distraction.

I was stationed at Fort Knox for a few years, and while there I was an adjunct profesor at Elizabethtown Community College. It was a great school, and I found my night-class students to be refreshingly bright and engaging.

I fear you, however, have displayed a level of obtuseness that would have tried my patience to the point of breaking had you been one of my students during your studies there.

Thank God for small favors.

If you ever become a full-time teacher, please demand a higher level of critical thinking from your students than you have displayed in the past few days.

LebbenB

No, this question isn’t why won’t Toney meet with Jonn, the question is why KD Toney is wearing awards and decorations that he did not receive. The next question is why won’t Toney provide the documentation for these awards. We know the real answer – There is no documentation.

Your attempts at trying to change the focus of this thread are absurdly amateurish. Typical for a small time con artist.

Bobo

Let’s see. You claim that Jonn is a racist based on proof provided through a blog comment “as reported my Michael Yon” but are not willing to consider the fact that Toney has been lying to you based on a disturbing lack of what should be easily obtainable awards documentation. I’m wondering at this point if you are intellectually dishonest or honestly lack the capability to think critically.

Again, if you are so interested in having these documents that Toney holds out as proof examined, I have made myself available. While I’m not Jonn and do not speak for or represent him, I would think that, and with your exuberance to vindicate Mr. Toney publicly, any one of us should be an acceptable substitute. I am confident that Jonn would be willing to accept the opinion of any of us here in this matter. The offer was made several days ago without response by you or Mr. Toney. Why the reluctance?

HMCS(FMF) ret

Love how he uses a name that I haven’t heard in a few years (Michael Yon) to call Jonn a racist. If Kelley had anything resembling integrity, he would have done some “research” to see what a “stellar individual” Yon is as a “journalist”.

Kirjath Toney is a a liar and a fraud and has a disgraced a once honorable organization.

Kelley Harrop is Toney’s messenger, preaching the lies told by Toney for all to see.

I wonder what God and our Savior would have to say about that?

Currahee John

“Deacon” – Since you are trashing Jonn for presumably avoiding your “Pastor’ Toney, you must have missed my previous question set to you about your alleged ministry. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not in fact a Matthew 7:21-23 fraud & hypocrite, and ask you to respond to these questions before I take the next step in finding out the answers elsewhere:

“Deacon” Harrop – Since you came back, I have a few questions for you; what is the denominational status of your ministry, who ordained your “Pastor” Toney, what is the financial status of your church, who oversees the operations of it and the staff, and how do you accept and account for your “tithings” and offerings without triggering an IRS IRC § 513 or IRC § 4958 exemption to the 7611 rule?

Also, based on what exactly do you hold yourself out to be a Bibilcal scholar and teacher? What is your hermeneutical approach and methodology, particularly in relation to lesson and sermon preparation? Do you, in fact, qualify for the title you claim based on Acts 6 and 1 Timothy 3? How do your define your office, and closely related, how do you differentiate it from that of your “Pastor”? I ask this last because I have noted you tend to be the spokesman for your “church,: whilst Toney is strangely silent across the board.

As to “Pastor” Toney, why do you submit to his authority and office? What are his qualifications to teach and pastor, based on Matthew 6, Titus 1, and 1 Peter 5?

Lastly, why is it that it is very easy to find where to give you and the other leaders of this church a “tithe” or offering, but it is so very difficult to find out anything about the ministry itself? Not a single Protestant denomination I contacted had any information about you.

SteadyForce

Did anyone ever see the official documentation of Toney’s awards? Did he ever meet with anyone? Letters from friends don’t count unless they were directly involved in the action. Any dates for the action or what the action was for the Silver Star?

Toasty Coastie

Hey Harrop
Are you blind? Whay don’t you go here: http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=47132

That is why Jonn has not answered you…he is TOO busy HONOURING A REAL HERO.

So go suck a balloon and pop yourself.

Toasty Coastie

Kelley Harrop You are really an arrogant blow-up doll. Let me first disabuse you of a flaw in your reasoning. Your buddy KD Toney, has been proven to be a liar and a fraud. He is the one who chose to wear awards he is not authorized and he has been called out on it. What are you getting from this huh? Are you jealous that your boi is getting all the attention and you’re not? Well we can fix you toad scrotum. You allege that you are a Christian man, yet you come in here in such a blind, raging, spittle-flecked fury, for what? This has nothing to do with you. Unfortunately, now it does by your own words. Perhaps you should use your google-fu skills and check out what has happened to some of the other puppets who came here defending the indefensible. You are nothing but a hacking, hucking mess, a narcissistic loony toon looking to get famous. Well guess what? We can make that happen. I see you work as a teacher…I wonder how your school is going to feel about you when they see what you’ve been up to here on the interwebs. They may be very interested in your your predilection for pricks. What do you think? I guess we’ll find out when I call them tomorrow. You should have left well enough alone. KD Toney is more than capable of asking and answering any question here and making his own arrangements with Jonn to provide his “proof”. He has been on this board multiple times already. So unless he has stroked out he certainly doesn’t need you to go to bat for him. All you are doing is making things worse for him. I am sure he must be ever so grateful to you for sending this blog straight up to the top of the Google search engines where it will be the first thing folks see when they go to check out his claims. They will find all the glory of his lies and now you and your dramatic and very public… Read more »

Just An Old Dog

One thing that makes the older phonies easier to catch is that technology has made it so easy to catch them, and they have no clue.
Before the Freedom of Information Act a phony could bluff his way with simple bullshit, store-bought medals and forgeries.
Along with the FOIA the internet has been invaluable with outting phonies. Unit websites, Medal registries and histories are at anyone’s fingertips.
Kirjath is way out of his league.

gitarcarver

Mr. Harrop, You wrote: I noticed Jonn never said yes or no about meeting with Mr. Toney. I noticed that Mr. Toney never followed through with his promise to mail his records to Jonn. K.D.Toney says: May 8, 2014 at 1:20 pm John Lilyes”as you have caused so many to dishonor me on the internet I will mail you a copy of all my awards. Also: K.D.Toney says: May 8, 2014 at 1:45 pm John I was just in your state helping to give our highest award to your state Capital the other things will be in the mail tomorrow. Is it your position that Mr. Toney should not meet and fill his promises? Is it your position that Jonn has made some promise to meet with Mr. Toney? Even assuming that your facts about Jonn as related by Yon are correct (they aren’t but that is another story) is it your position that Mr Toney is not responsible for his misrepresentations because of the alleged actions of others? As an “deacon” in a Christian ministry, have you not read Matthew 7:5? “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” As a leader in a Christian ministry, is it your position that the way one fulfills promises, keeps their word and defends lies is by attacking others? Is it your position as a deacon that the way to be “blameless in the sight of the Lord” is to hold others to a standard that you will not abide by? Maybe you should talk with Mr. Toney and pray for understanding of the following: For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. – Luke 12:2-3 (King James Version (KJV)) I have no doubt that you will not answer this directly and will continue to try… Read more »

HMCS(FMF) ret

Maybe the Deacon and the Pastor need to remember what the Bible tells us abut lying and deceit:

http://www.gospelway.com/morality/lying.php

By its very nature, a lie is untrue. It is a falsehood.

“Lie” – “…a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive…” – Random House College Dictionary.

“Deceit” – “act or practice … intended to … mislead by a false appearance or statement” – Random House College Dictionary.

The difference is that a lie is generally spoken; but deceit includes anything, whether words or deeds, that are intended to lead people to believe what is not true.

Wrench S2/S3

Kelley,

Toney is a TURD.

Do you know the difference between an “ass kisser” and a “brown noser”?

Depth perception.

Now, go get a rag and wipe all that shit off your head – maybe you’ll have a clearer view of what is really going on around you.

2/17 Air Cav

Kelley is a loser and a confused one at that. He says he won’t be back here but, of course, he will. He has to return. He thinks he is fighting the good fight but his cause is wrong and his w/o the basic skills to fight. He thinks he has some smarts but he’s as dumb as a brick. He doesn’t realize life is zooming by him while he is stuck at an intersection not knowing which way to go. I love these ‘twofer’ threads where a lying liar is exposed and the lying liar’s defender goes down in flames as well.

LebbenB

I think the reason that Kelly is so strident in his defense of Toney is because he sees the religious gravy train he’s riding coming into the station.

Instead of being men of God, the two of them are a couple of common criminals. Where do the tithes they collect go? Probably straight into their pockets.

Toney did not receive a Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart, CIB or Parachutist’s Badge.

KD Toney and Kelley Harrop are LIARS, FAKES and CON ARTISTS

2/17 Air Cav

“He is a war hero.”

“How do you know that he is? Were you with him?”

“No, I never served, but he told me himself!”

“Oh?”

“Yep. Plus, he wears a lopt of his medals. I’ve seen them many times. So have many people.”

“Oh?”

“Yep, and if that’s not enough, I have proof.”

“Oh?”

“Yep. His photograph was in a newspaper and a reporter wrote about him!”

“Oh?”

“Yep.”

SteadyForce

Toney has fooled his closest Odd Fellow members and his hometown folks, his “flock” – who make donations, and even his local media. His life is going to be dramatically changed as word spreads of this phony piece of shit. And to think, we are the kinder vets. We have bent over backwards for this idiot to help him, but he sends a fool to do his bidding, as if we are the shit on his shoes. The longer he remains defensive, the worse it shall get for him and his puppet. The Odd Fellows should have done the right thing, as I know any of my organizations would have done. I am proud of the regular service I did in the Marine Corps. I did not have to wear a medal to know my service was as honorable as anyone else who served. This piece of shit is a disgrace to only himself and those who love him. How humiliating it must be to be outed. WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO AWAY!

ChipNASA

SF,

“We are not going to go away…”

ROGER THAT!!!

The Internet is forever.

JAGC

Last night, I posed some very simple questions for Phoney Toney and his supporter that could have shed some light on their side of the “story”. Based on his response early this morning, we can surmise the following:

1) Kirjath Toney was never awarded the rank and awards depicted on his uniform donned during public events and military funerals;

2) Kirjath Toney does not have any legitimate documentation refuting the official government record obtained by this site;

3) Any documentation used by Kirjath Toney to refute the official government record was not reviewed and vetted by a knowledgable, impartial party;

4) The Order of Oddfellows is in disarray, with poor and detached leadership enabling various factions to engage in significant infighting (“civil war” as one of their own described it) while allowing personal agendas to rule over the originally-intended mission;

5) Kirjath Toney, a member of the Order of Oddfellows, attended events and military funerals knowingly wearing awards and rank that he is not entitled to wear;

6) Kirjath Toney and his supporters refuse to acknowledge the official government record; and

7) Kirjath Toney and his supporters have chosen to attack the messenger rather than address the topic of his uniform and/or the veracity of the official government record.

HMCS(FMF) ret

JAGC… statement #4, how did you come across this info. Would be interesting to read more about this

SteadyForce

In earlier messages by Phony Toney and his minister friend, they both stated that another Odd Fellow had some kind of grudge against Toney. This looks to be more than just a grudge. Toney is threatening his own Odd Fellow members with retribution!

“as for those that are in the I.O.O.F.
they will answer to the order for their part.”

He nothing but a bully in his Odd Fellows.

Geetwillickers

Just for fun… let’s see how many of these logical fallacies Mr. Klown has made so far:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

Just off the top of my head I see an entire platoon of straw-men in his argument: Insinuating (without actually making the claim) pedophilia, and an outright accusation of racism. Next we have “Appeal to Authority” by holding up Yanker Yon as an unimpeachable authority on Jonn’s integrity.

What else can we find here?

Hondo

Geetwillikers: I think you omitted multiple attempts to change the subject, each being an example of the non sequitur fallacy.

Ditto for multiple ad hominem attacks not involving innuendo.

Geetwillickers

Hondo, the more I study that chart, the more I see…

Tu quoque – Avoiding the question of the validity of the awards by questioning the validity of Jonn and/or his blog.

Loaded Question – Asking Jonn if he will apologize for his “racism”. Like asking a guy if he still beats his wife.

And the hits just keep on coming…

Geetwillickers

Not to be repetitive, but I just discovered this as well:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?v=317766308345786

Mike220

Why should Jonn, or anybody, have to meet up with Phoney the Phaker to see his “proof?” Anyone with a decent scanner and word processing software can knock out a half-way decent fake. Since Kelley here seems to be completely oblivious to what is posted above, I’ll go ahead and say what many others have said (knowing I’m talking to a wall) but… holy shit son, look above. That document up there is an official government FOIA record from official government sources. That is THE end all, be all word of G-d when it comes to Phoney’s service and decorations.

If it’s not there, it’s because one of two things: 1) Phoney is lying or 2) someone, somewhere really dropped the ball. Since the Silver Star is (I would guess) one of the top 5 special categories the military would keep records on (along with MOH, DSC/AFC/NC, POW/MIA and KIA), and your boy’s name shows up nowhere on a list of SS recipients, I’m going with Option 1.

If Phoney thinks he really got screwed out of his awards, all he needs to do is submit all his documentation to the Army BCMR, plead his case and see what they say. If they agree, he’ll get a DD215 and be good to go. I’m not holding my breath though.

Enough wasting my time. I think I’m going to go get breakfast.

2/17 Air Cav

You know what really must suck? To be as old as dirt and have accomplished nothing whatsoever to which one could legiitimately and honestly point to and say, “I did that.”

Hondo

From my perspective, 2/17 Air Cav, Toney indeed did something he can honestly point to and say, “I did that.”

He stole my late uncle’s valor.

My uncle was in the 82nd during World War II. He fought in Africa, Sicily, Italy, and France/Belgium. He was a bit too close to a German shell’s impact during the Bulge and damn near came home in a box.

My uncle was initially reported missing and presumed dead. Fortunately that was an error – but not by much.

Besides his campaign medals, my uncle’s awards were the following:

Silver Star (verified)
Purple Heart
CIB
Parachutist Badge

He was also entitled to the Bronze Star due to his World War II CIB. I don’t know if he ever applied for it or not.

My uncle’s now buried in Arlington. Yeah – the same place where Toney “strutted his false bling” in one of the photos for this article.

Yeah, Toney – you’re falsely wearing precisely what my late uncle legitimately earned. Have fun explaining that to the Deity on Judgement Day, oh “man of the cloth”.

devil's advocate

“All the world is a stage”…wondering how many folks enlisted because they thought they might be started a medal..like his

HMCS(FMF) ret

Jonn – “God” told Toney to wear them… he won’t get back in touch with you or show you his documents. His is of a “higher calling”

Bet he bought them from another Valor thief from that neck of the woods, one Frank Visconi (you know, that guy with the “mad lawer skillz”)

HS Sophomore

Hey, just out of curiosity, where is the post where those “ape” comments got made? I know Yon fabricated it and that you were using it in a different context than the animal, but I was just wanted to know so I can provide the link to the next moron who tries to use that to prove we’re all racists.

SteadyForce

Jonn, Thank you for doing what you do. As others have said and offered, I was either hoping Toney would prove his awards were legitimate and we could honor a hero and all apologize to him. Or I was hoping Toney would remove the medals and apologize. Neither has occurred. His friend, the minister fellow, and his leader Mr. Smith have blindly defended Toney. Even members of the Odd Fellows off of this site have defended Toney without wanting to see this site or the FOIA document. It seems we need to address the Odd Fellows and exposed Toney, along with his association with the Odd Fellows. Maybe if we hold Toney’s “tolerating organization” accountable too, his barrier shall crumble and he will be exposed.

Toasty Coastie

*Wonders how long it will be before Kelley the Klown (eww I hate Clowns and Klowns), finds BernastyPoopyhead and Wippenfloppit and starts in with citing their “truths”*.

2/17 Air Cav

Kelley says he won’t be back. Fast Freddie says it’s even money he’s back tonight, 3-5 anytime tomorrow, and 1-9 by Friday afternoon.

JAGC

Maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree, but it seems like the Odd Fellows Lodge is treating military title and rank as some sort of… odd… game. This might explain why their leader could care less and why others see no problem with Phoney Toney’s behavior.

The IOOF lists as part of its leadership a group called the “General Military Council Officers.”

For example, apart from Toney’s photo, they also display a picture of “Gen. Jerald T. Sarnes.” His photo was taken in some sort of…odd… uniform but lacks the sheer ridiculousness of Toney. Sarnes’ Linked In page lists his position in the Oddballs, but claims that he did nearly three years in the Navy–his position listed simply as “classified.” So it’s clear that the IOOF designates its own general officers, with their own military-like uniforms. They only need to have served for a few years enlisted, apparently, to achieve the distinction. Sarnes is a high school grad.

They list a slew of others with general officer rank, but clearly are not actual general officers. However, none of the other guys have decked themselves out with actual military awards like Phoney Toney. Looks to me like Phoney Toney is the “commanding general” of the “Military Council” and has taken his oddball role way to the extreme, to the point where he treats sacrosanct awards as costume jewelry and slithers his way into military funerals. Either that, or he really is profiting off of the lie. Either way, official government records verify that Phoney Toney is full of malarky.

Green Thumb

Interesting.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

You are hired: TAH General Counsel and Lord of Pithy.

LebbenB

Can I be named General Purpose?

I’ll also settle for Sir Loin of Steak or Sir Osis of Liver.

2/17 Air Cav

Actually, you hit upon a fun car-ride game. Start naming all of the non-general generals. It’s a hoot. General Alarm, General Delivery, General Electric…

LebbenB

General Dynamics
General Principle
General Quarters

ArmyATC

General Merchandise, General Opinion, General Insurance, General Motors, General Hospital, General Tire, general store, general assembly…

B Woodman

How about any of the Labor cousins? — General Labor, Manual Labor (the one from South of the Border), and my closest relation, Slave Labor.

A Proud Infidel®

I hereby apply for the commission and title of General Nuisance! That, or for Earl of Worcestershire and the Estate of Marinade!

LebbenB

Count of Basie and Duke of Wayne are still available as well.

Green Thumb

And you could marry Lady Anita Johnson.

SteadyForce

Right on the mark. The Odd Fellows have lost any sense of dignity or integrity by having one of its own as a fake. They fail to realize they are disrespecting every person who has served. To go to Arlington wearing heroic and unearned medals, is one of the worst example of the Odd Fellows. How can their leader Mr. Smith simply wave his hand and think he can make this all go away? This will explode in their faces and cost them members.

HMCS(FMF) ret

JAGC – hell, let’s run a FOIA on all of them to see how many Toney’s the “General Military Council Officers(aka – junta) are rockin’ the lie. The post all to see here at TAH and see what Mr. Smith decides to do, or not do.

I’d start off with Sarnes… “classified” my pasty, white ass.

ArmyATC

I agree. If their “military council” is filled with fakes, then a news outlet would probably be interested in the story.

devils advocate

perhaps he’s in the witness protection plan and this is his “cover” persona…

Bobo

Wow, how many asshats can a small organization contain.

Hondo

Interesting indeed, JAGC.

If anyone can get the required info on SARNES (full name, DOB, place of birth, rough dates of service – years or even general time frame is probably enough), I’ll file a FOIA on him too. So long as his military service ended after mid-1952, his records will still be at NPRC.

Bobo

From his Linked In:

U. S. Navy
Norfolk, Virginia
March 1959 – December 1961 (2 years 10 months)
Classified

It looks like he went from that to being a supervisory book keeper at The Havana National Bank in Havana, IL in Feb 1962 until 2000. I’m not sure how that translates from his “classified” Navy rating. It also looks like he grew up in Havana, IL having graduated from high school there.

Sarne’s photo is at http://www.ioof.org/images/IoofImages/2014%20Officers/GCR.jpg. Notice the lack of medals/ribbons in the photo. Aside from the buffoonery of calling his rating in the Navy classified, I’d say that there is nothing immediately there with him.

Hondo

Forget the dates of service, I found em:

http://www.vetfriends.com/veterandirectory/?member=1822419

According to that page (which I’ve screen-captured in case it changes), Sarnes served as Personelman 3rd Class on board the USS Chuckawan, a fleet oiler. Other sources give his dates of assignment to the Chuckawan (presumably after IET and specialty training) as 1959-1961.

“Classified” assignment my azz.

Probably still need confirmation of POB (have his HS and likely hometown, but not sure if he was born there or not) and DOB in order to get a FOIA hit.

He’s possibly AOK, and doesn’t seem to be “rockin’ the lie” like Toney. But given what we’ve seen from IOOF leadership in other areas, I’d like confirmation of that.

MCPO NYC USN Ret.

There is nothing classified about being a PN3 onboard on oiler that pumps # 6 fuel oil and highlines powered milk and eggs.

Bobo

There is an aspect to this that makes this especially comical. Back when I was a squid, I asked the YN1 on my boat the difference between a yeoman (YN) and a personnelman (PN). From my non-admin perspective they were about the same thing. The YN1 explained to me that YNs had to maintain a security clearance because they could be assigned to do classified administrative work, while PNs maintained personnel records and, since nothing in a personnel record was classified, they didn’t need a clearance. So, extra double BS on the “classified” rate.

Bobo

We have another potential IOOF MP participant, Department Adjutant – Lt. Gen. ® Robert Henderson from Ohio. I’m guessing that the (R) for retired was incorrectly translated to the registered trademark symbol. I did a run though on the government access only GOMO sites and there isn’t a retired Lt. Gen. Robert Henderson in the Army, USAF, USMC, ARNG, or ANG. Also, no Google hits for a Lt. Gen. Robert Henderson.

His information is here: http://ioofgrandlodgeofohio.org/directory.pdf

Enigma4you

From the Odd Fellows Page

An Odd Fellow bases his thoughts and actions on healthy philosophical principles. He believes that life is a commitment to improve and elevate the character of humanity through service and example. He is humble in a way that he never boasts about himself. He knows and accepts his strengths and weaknesses and keeps away from badmouthing people and making unreasonable allegations. He understands that certain things in life are unavoidable. He is aware of the vanity of earthly things, the frailty and inevitable decay of human life and the fact that wealth has no power to stop the sureness of eventual death. He then asks the question, “How am I going to spend my life?”

http://www.ioof.org/IOOF/About_Us/Whats_an_Odd_Fellow/IOOF/WhatsanOddFellow.aspx?hkey=ea86f8c7-2281-49a2-b7c3-af93338e5275%20

Toney is the perfect example of what not to do as a member of this organization

SteadyForce

This is not going to go away. What has his Odd Fellows group done about him? This group must have some standards – some honor. As far as I am concerned, I shall steer my friends away from the Odd Fellows. They shall never be trusted by my town veterans. We must not only humiliate Toney, but those who support this fraud.

I liked the earlier idea of going to the news services about this guy and his dishonorable Odd Fellows.

Just An Old Dog

I’m not even mad at IOOF using ranks and uniforms, plenty of groups like ROTC and the Salvation Army do the same. Hell en military reenactors do it,
The diirence is that groupd\s that mix the two up so it looks like a bunch of hobos ran through a swap meast and surplus store at the samw time.

Bobo

I feel about the same way about it. Some of the organizations that I belong to encourage veterans to wear their awards at certain events. I’m relatively certain that if someone was found to be wearing awards that he didn’t earn, there would be some kind of a discussion between him and the leadership.

The problem that I have is that the head of the IOOF knows that there is a problem and has chosen not to address it. For that, I will never consider membership in the IOOF unless there is some explanation or resolution from them.

A Proud Infidel®

I noticed that Kelley Harropp refers to himself as a SUBSTITUTE Teacher, a position that doesn’t even require a college degree in many States, which makes most of them to degreed teachers what “Rent-a-Fuzz” Security Guards are to real LEO’s!

Just my observation while on a break during night shift!

LebbenB

My wife was a substitute teacher for a while and made pretty good coin. Once the school/school system learns you’re reliable, you can work every day of the week if you so desire.

A Proud Infidel®

I’m not bagging on all Substitute Teachers, but I’ve seen some that couldn’t teach a diarrhetic seagull how to shit, and they pretty much stayed last-resort subbies!

LebbenB

I’m sure that Kelly is at the bottom of the school’s call list.

A Proud Infidel®

I have no doubt about that, and Custer, KY doesn’t sound like it’s some bustling metropolis!

LebbenB

Population 886. Located about 15 miles southwest of Ft Knox.

A Proud Infidel®™

With a town that small, it’s no wonder he has to panhandle at truck stops to make ends meet!!

2/17 Air Cav

Well, we don’t know he’s a sub, do we. We only have his statement that he is.

LebbenB

But Kelly’s a devout man of God. He wouldn’t lie about something like that. (sarc)

Hondo

Just thought I’d link this here . . . .

http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=47254

Bobo

Here is the Patriarchs Militant’s recruiting video. It is interesting trying to spereate thier beliefs from Toney’s actions.

HMCS(FMF) ret

And looks who shows up at 0.21 into the video… Kirjath Toney. Wearing the awards he didn’t earn because “God told him to”.

LebbenB

I thought that was him. Lying sack of Shiite.

SteadyForce

They look like shit. K. D. Toney has destroyed the I.O.O.F. None of there medals or decoration of shitery can be taken seriously.

Bobo

I just went though photos of several previous Generals Commanding of the Patriarchs Militant. The only other guy wearing military badges and awards is Bob Leib, Sr. He’s wearing ribbons and a badge, but not all are shown on the photo. From what I can see, he’s wearing a Navy Aircrew badge, an Air Medal, a navy Unit Commendation, Navy Meritorious Unit Commendation, Navy Good Conduct Medal with 4 Bronze Stars, National Defense Service Medal, Expeditionary Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, Navy/Marine Corps Overseas Ribbon, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and the Pistol Marksmanship Ribbon. All the others are obscured.

The photo is at http://ioofpm.org/2005-2006.pdf on page 13.

I’m thinking that there is a cottage industry just in looking at guys in civilian military organizations.

Currahee John

How else do you think http://www.medalsofamerica.com stays in business?

A Proud Infidel®™

Nice yellow gloves, what is that, the Janitors’ Brigade doing Pass in Review? Watching that video along with how thy have circled their Wagons around Toney has permanently dissuaded from ever even remotely thinking about joining IOOF!!

clamsgotlegs

The good news is they can’t escape apoptosis. The oddities will eventually become extinct.

SteadyForce

Terrible. This member of the Odd Fellows is wearing military medals he has not earned. It is disrespectful. Despite the encouragement and offer to assist Toney in correcting his records (if incorrect) by several people on this string of messages, Toney and his sidekick AND THE LEADER OF THE ODD FELLOWS – Mr. Smith (who has said he has seen the paperwork verifying the medals), Toney has ignored us and his two defenders have attacked us. Disgraceful.

SteadyForce

Has this guy ever produced any supporting evidence to be wearing the Silver Star, Bronze Star, or Purple Heart medals? We am happy that he has stated he has the paperwork and has allegedly shown it to his superiors in the Odd Fellows. This means he cannot use the excuse that his “records were destroyed in the fire.” He should not count on this fading away until he shares those documents. Has he sued anyone yet? Has he set up any meetings?

SteadyForce

Has the Odd Fellows done anything about this guy? Any word on papers? Proof?

Hondo

As far as I know, the IOOF know there are questions about him and have told individuals who inquired to pound sand. That’s based on earlier comments by a reader who contacted them about Toney.

Much like our infamous “LRP”, the documents supposedly “cometh”. And also like that infamous “LRP”, I rather doubt those documents will ever actually arrive.

SteadyForce

At least this idiot admitted to “having papers,” and having friends of his say they “have seen his papers” instead of saying they were burned up in a fire. He may have doomed himself and got caught up in his own lies.

Green Thumb

A bunch of old dudes playing dress up.

Green Thumb

I wonder if Toney has reported to the space station?

351BG

I hear Toney has been hired as a doorman at All Points Logistics.

TheCloser

Any update on General Durante?

cha chachacha chaaaaa!

SteadyForce

Any word on any meetings yet? It has been 3 weeks. I guess Phony Toney, the General Dumb Dumb of the Odd People of Odd Fellows La La Land. The Odd Fellows allow their members to wear medals they did not earn.

Marine_7002

SF: Toney and his cronies don’t have the cojones to follow through on anything…promises of documents, promises of meetings, etc.

I’m eager for the results of the FOIA submitted on him to come in.

Just an Old Dog

Marine_7002,

His FOIA was posted up top, its shows none of the valor awards he claims.

SteadyForce

Just another fake wannabe “hero”. Put some medals on a wear them around the house and play pretend hero may be okay to some supreme court justices; but to put on the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and Purple Heart medal and wear them in Arlington Cemetery is unforgivable. And to continue the fraud by running a ministry and asking for donations, based on those same medals, is a crime. This must be brought to light. Where do we go from here? We must expose him and never let up.

Marine_7002

JOD: I think another one was submitted to get Toney’s DD-214 and other available records. Could be wrong…can’t go back and look, gotta run to work…they make me show up in order to get a paycheck…the nerve of ’em!

SteadyForce
Pineywoods NCO

Those are blatantly photo-shopped.

Pineywoods NCO

Well, I admit I might be wrong on that. But it looks too poorly done to be accurate.

Worse yet, it appears he has an accomplice.

SteadyForce

Photo-shopped? No. This guy is everywhere wearing his unearned medals. He is not too difficult to track down because he likes being the “hero”. His ministry requests donations. He poses as a hero, yet the records just don’t bear out.

SteadyForce

He doesn’t stop!

https://www.facebook.com/barbara.rogers.982?fref=ts

Open you fb page

SteadyForce

This guy is coming to Victoria, Canada to speak as a recipient of the Silver Star Medal! August 18, 19, and 20, 2014. At the Empress Hotel. How can he continue to wear the Purple Heart, Bronze Star, Combat Infantry Badge, Jump Wings, and the Silver Star. To hell with him.

Just an Old Dog

What group is he addressing? Perhaps a bug in the ear is what they need. If they don’t want to listen perhaps bending the ear of the hotel to the antics of phoney baloney tony

Denise Williams

The IOOF is having their conference at The Fairmont Empress in Victoria. A simple call to the hotel confirmed, which led to a google search. It is their 188th Annual Communication of The Soveriegn Grand Lodge and the 111th General Military Council Annual Session.

Here is their ‘contact us’ page for the Grand Lodge Headquarters. Sounds like and invitation for a conversation to me, an invite I’ll be taking up.
http://www.ioof.org/IOOF/Home/Contact_Us/IOOF/Contact_Us.aspx?hkey=777100ff-a470-45d5-8275-937f424c0f72

Maybe The Grand Lodge will have more concern about the bad publicity that will come from allowing this valor (and oxygen) thief speak and represent them. By bad publicity, I mean local (to the headquarters in Winston-Salem, NC) media, whom I’m sure would love to sink their teeth into a scandal about the IOOF.

Now, to contact my aunt, who lives there, for a recommendation on an investigative TV reporter…unless someone here who is local has a suggestion.

Bobo

Maybe The Grand Lodge will have more concern about the bad publicity that will come from allowing this valor (and oxygen) thief speak and represent them.

Good luck with that. The head of the IOOF is well aware of his antics and has refused to act. Honestly, they just don’t care, which is why all of the IOOF members in every picture that I’ve seen are a bunch of geriatrics. It’s tough to bring in new blood when the organization lacks integrity and plays favorites with the older members.

OWB

Having the name of the group showcasing him would be helpful. The Empress doesn’t have a published list of groups meeting at the hotel.

Green Thumb

Did this maggot finally crawl back in his hole?

Green Thumb

Funny.

steadyforce

No more from Toney? Did a meeting ever happen?

propsguy

Am I reading the dates on this websites link correctly? If so……..

http://www.meadecountymessenger.com/v2/content.aspx?module=ContentItem&ID=249570&MemberID=2035

Hondo

Dates/places/names there appear correct. They were used to file a 2nd FOIA on the guy, which was identical to the one above.

Bottom line: his reconstructed records on-file at NPRC appear to show no award of the Silver Star, Bronze Star, or Purple Heart. None of the rosters of Silver Star awardees available for the Korean War show him as a recipient, either. He’s previously promised to provide Jonn complete documentation for his awards – then later reneged on that promise.

You do the math.