Of sheep, sheepdogs and valor thieves
Chockblock sends us a link to Foreign Policy in which guest columnist Army Major Brad Hardy articulates well how valor thieves widen the gap between the sheep and the sheepdogs who protect them.
Hardy uses our old friend Ken Crocheron as an example. Crocheron, you might remember dressed up in some sort of clown suit that barely resembled an Army uniform to entertain a sick child. Of course, when he was finally exposed, the family was embarrassed that he had fooled them for so long. Of course, they weren’t the only people he had fooled. He’d been parading around in his get-up for years.
Here at TAH, we’ve seen the same scenario play out hundreds of times. We’ve even seen valor thieves who were so committed to their false persona that they hired thugs to get it back for them, they’ve even killed themselves because they couldn’t be the ass-clown they once were. But Hardy sees a bigger problem;
[F]or something like this to go on as long as it did says two things about our society. First, it indicates that the Army remains a trusted and admired profession, but almost to a fault. The Army’s manual on the Profession of Arms, Army Doctrine Reference Publication (ADRP) 1, states that “trust reflects the confidence and faith that the American people have in the Army to effectively and ethically serve the Nation, while resting assured that the Army poses no threat to them.”
A broad assumption is that civilians will tend to defer to the military to do the right thing. Maybe it’s the professed values, generally honorable conduct in war, authoritative tone, uniform, haircuts, or heroic portrayal in movies. But jokers like Crocheron, even if unaffiliated with the Army, erode that earned trust. Society may start to second-guess the confidence and question their faith that ADRP 1 touts. The Crocherons of the world destroy public trust in the Army by exploiting it. He abused it to gain unearned prestige and access to a family’s young child. The next time that family sees a uniformed servicemember, they may not be so supportive.
Sometimes, it’s hard for civilians to accept that the people they trusted aren’t the valor thieves they turn out to be, either. For example, we saw folks come to the defense of Christopher David Duke the other day. We veterans, who smell something wrong with these phonies are questioned on our truthfulness while the phonies, who are really sociopaths, continue to string them along and even use them to combat the truth.
Joe, who was Duke’s initial defender, had his “come to Jesus” moment last night in a phone call with me. But then today another one pops up. That’s just indicative of how people want to believe that they know heroes. If I was in Wilson, North Carolina law enforcement, I’d start paying attention to the doings of Chris Duke around town. I’m fairly convinced that he’s hiding other things that he’s doing wrong.
If you read his “Birth of an Operator (.pdf)” you can’t miss how married he is to that story, and if I ever post the recording of our conversation yesterday, you’ll see how good he is at making himself the victim when he’s called out on his lies. But, he’s just like all of the others we’ve seen. Mostly, it’s because civilians admire them so much and their phony background, that they get the idea that without their lies, they’re nothing.
Hardy ends his thoughts;
As a part of society, the Army must do better at educating the society it serves about its culture so that future scam artists are detected. The Army must continue to share its culture, as it is part of the broader fabric of American heritage.
Braggarts like Duke and Crocheron suck all of the oxygen out of the room, however. The real heroes melt from the spotlight and they’re the quiet professionals, not writing grand faux-biographies or telling war stories in a bar. So, therein lies the problem.
Category: Phony soldiers, Veterans Issues
The fact remains. Neither one of these phonies have ever served in the military. They told tall tales and in some cases were paid because who they pretended to me. That is fraud.
Now, for all those that served with HONOR and have seen things, done things and been in places where you never want to go back to, these jerks STEAL the Valor that was earned. This site and many others lets the world know the difference between the REAL Heroes, the REAL Veterans and the REAL men and women that served proudly for this Great Country.
These phonies should be embarrassed to the fullest legal limits. To ever think it’s alright to STEAL VALOR….in one thing, in this veteran’s eyes, is NEVER ACCEPTABLE. Nothing that done to anyone that lies about Valor will ever equal what they did to the ones that earn it. Just my two cents.
Thank you all that have been there…and returned. All gave some….Some gave all.
So if that person ended up serving and was overseas would you as a vet take their name off your list? Saying you accused them of not serving and they were found to have served. Would you offer apologizes and take their name off your blog or continue to harass them? and like Mark said, He was impressed with a Vietnam vet yet he never asked Jonn to take his name off this site! especially if it was found out that scotty forged a FOIA document, would you kick scotty off the blog and delete a veterans name from the hall of shame blog? We’ll see if this even gets posted, but it will show “waiting for moderators approval” well screen shot that!
If you have facts to support your assertions, then post them. I’m quite certain that Jonn will have no problem with that.
Otherwise, stop with the innuendo and veiled allegations. It makes folks wonder if your either a sockpuppet, or being paid by someone outed.
It hasn’t happened very many times because these guys thoroughly vet everything, but on the few occasions where an error was made, appropriate apologies were made quickly. I would expect the same the next time an error is discovered.
Spend some time nosing around this site, or don’t – entirely your choice. You will quickly get a sense that no one here really has the inclination to chase after those who are not deserving of our time. That is part of honor, after all.
Let’s see…
Yep. Your comment is showing up here in black and white. How about that; people who disagree with this site are allowed to post.
And “harassment”? I think you’re a touch confused on what the word means.
I know from my own experience that the administrators of this site will address mistaken accusations quickly. The first time I posted a comment regarding one phony, I included the name of another person who appeared to be a phony. I soon realized I was mistaken and emailed the administrator to to acknowledge the mistake I made and to ask that my comment be taken down.
The response from the administrator came very quickly informing me that the comment was removed, and included tactful counseling reminding me that it is of the utmost importance to vet and confirm anything posted here is an absolute fact.
To be sure their was no confusion I posted another comment acknowledging the mistake and apologizing to the individual I had named.
Great article Jonn. Thank you for writing it and spotlighting what we do.
While I am still new to Valor Thief Hunting (4 months now), I promise, as I did twenty years ago when I enlisted, to Our Country and to ALL our Service Men and Women, Past, Present and Future, that til my last breath, I will make it my business to help you and those here at TAH, GV, SV, POW, and PS, by doing what ever I can to destroy these thieves.
They are a blight and must be eradicated.
As I believe it was said by SCPO Shipley, these dirtbags will cling to their lies, fantasies and distortion of life til the day they die.
After my short time here, I truly believe that this sums it up in in its entirety, and no greater truth has ever been spoken.
So with that being said, as previously offered, I hereby offer my time, resources and knowledge to the services of You and TAH et al.
No matter what it takes, I will be by your side to take down those that seek to besmirch us with their lies and take what is not thiers.
Yours in service,
Petty Officer-SS5
Toasty Coastie
Great article; perfectly highlights the problem. The only thing I would say is that he was way too nice to Crocheron. I”m not a veteran so maybe the rest of the folks here would have a different opinion, but I MIGHT have bought the “he was just trying to entertain a poor sick boy” excuse (NOT that that would make it OK) if he had kept it strictly there and not spread the lie beyond that. However, a cursory examination of the facts will reveal that he was telling that lie for years, and that he spread his phony crap everywhere—his MC, his Church, a local veteran’s organization, and many, many people all believed that he was a Super-Duper Sekrit Scwirrel SF ninja operator dude guy. Kenneth Crocheron pretended to be a soldier and a war hero for one reason: his ego. Period. He wanted accolades, and he got them. Perhaps just not in the way he expected.
” . . he was way too nice to Crotchrot.”
There. Fixed it for you.
And while we’re on the topic of phony SF ninja operators, here’s a highly probable one. Roger Beamer (http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/saluting-our-war-heroes/images-from-vietnam-va-motivate-ex-green-beret-to-help-other-veterans-20130929), a fellow in Buffalo who founded a local veterans’ organization called VetsHERD, who claims to be an ex-Army Special Forces Operator and veteran of the 5th SFG during the Vietnam war. The guy claims to have been awarded three Purple Hearts, the last of which was presented by William C. Westmoreland. He’s got some amazing stories of fighting alongside the Montagnards in the Central Highlands. Here’s the thing that really raised my hackles—the article refers to him as being 67 years old. So, we can reliably assume he was born in 1946 since this article came out in late 2013. However, the article says, “As a green beret in 1964, he arrived in the Central Highlands of Vietnam, a member of the 5th SFG, where as a military adviser he worked with the indigenous mountain people, or Montagnards.” So, if he joined the military at age 17, we can assume he started basic in ’63. I seem to recall that at this point, a requirement to join ASF was to be E-5 or higher. So, in the space of a single year’s time or less, he supposedly completed Army Airborne School, Infantry AIT, and basic, made E-5, completed the Q-course, and was sent to Vietnam with the 5th SFG. Quite a year. That seems unlikely to me. The 5th SFG didn’t deploy to Vietnam until February 1965 according to both Jonn and the wikipedia entry on the 5th SFG, so that part of his story’s off, too. The article also states, “Impressed with his athletic ability and decision to volunteer for Army Parachute School in Fort Benning, Ga., the brass took note of Beamer, who had enlisted. “I was asked if I’d like to volunteer to try and join Special Forces,” he says. “I had no idea what it was, but I agreed.” Beamer was assigned to Fort Bragg, N.C., and “I loved it.” I can’t imagine why volunteering for jump school would highly recommend someone for the SF. Wasn’t exactly… Read more »
never knew the Red Chinese were running around in the Central Highlands.
Now that you mention it, that’s odd, too. Given the history between Vietnam and China, I’d hardly think the Chinese would be welcome there.
There’s something not right about that story. In the 1950s and early 1960s, the PRC was supplying food and logistical construction support to Ho Chi Minh in North Vietnam against the French. But they were so aggressive about trying to annex Vietnam that the North requested help from the Soviets instead.
We didn’t start sending advisors over there until 1955, and that lasted until LBJ kicked it up in 1965, with the Marines doing an amphibious landing in March that year. By that time, the Soviets were in the picture and the PRC was out, sending aid instead to Thailand, Laos and Cambodia.
If I remember correctly, the Chinese fought with the Laotians against the Vietnamese in the late 70s, early 80s time frame.
And who could forget their 1979 war against the Khmer Rouge, China’s proxy?
Sophomore, I was a relatively new E-5 with four years in the Army back in late ’64 or early ’65 when an SF recruiting team came to Fort Campbell. There were maybe 25-30 NCO’s interested in hearing their pitch and there were no troopers below E-5. Part of their presentation included an infantry skills/tactical decision making test to determine if you were SF material. That was the hardest frickin’ written test I ever took in the Army and I was no slouch at testing. When the test was complete, we took a smoke break outside the meeting room to give the SF NCO’s time to grade the tests. Being junior to most of the E-6’s and E-7’s I just stood back and listened to them bitching about how tough the test had been. After an unusually long, three-cigarette break, we were finally called back inside where we were informed that no one had passed the test. Mind you, most of those tested were senior infantrymen, several with years of experience as platoon sergeants. A couple of those E-7’s quietly objected that the test was impossibly difficult and that the time allotted for taking it was woefully inadequate. The SF guys didn’t argue and you won’t believe what came next. They tore a sheet of paper into the exact number of pieces as testees and wrote a test score on each one. These all went into a beret which was then passed from one to the other until every candidate had his score. Mine wasn’t great but it was comfortably passing and from the grins around the room I assume all the others passed as well. A short time later I was promoted to Battalion Chemical, Biological and Radiological NCO and sent for training at the Army Chemical Center at Fort McClellan. That was a tough course and I aced it as honor grad, but I’m here to tell you that nothing in that course was as difficult as that SF test. BTW, I never heard from SF; I think they realized their recruiting methods were screwed up and needed revising.… Read more »
My experience with SF was a tad different. During basic at Polk in early ’63 we had SF recruiters come around and give their spiel. Part of the deal was you had to volunteer for airborne training and pass an airborne PT test, which I did, but MOS was never a consideration. After AIT as a 635 (later 63H), I got sent to Benning for airborne training, where I was dropped before starting because of defective vision. I ended up in an H&S company where I pulled KP and post detail for a month before shipping out to Germany. So much for the gung ho bit.
The point is, early in the game SF seemed to be more interested in malleable material than combat experience. Given the change in doctrine, combat experience may even have been a hindrance.
CC I think we’re talking about two different things. You’re talking about SF public relations attempting to inspire new recruits with dreams of glory and get them to thinking about the possibility of completing their training with an eye toward a future in special operations.
I’m talking about serious recruiting for experienced infantry soldiers. And in our case, no one below grade E-5. As I said, I was one of the least experienced there.
I once ran a medical aid call on a filthy whiskey-tango drunk old bastard who tried to buy sympathy by claiming to be a Korea vet who fought at Chosin. But as I was filling out his run sheet, I took down his age and DOB–which was in 1954.
So I asked him how he was such a hero in a major battle 3 years before he was born, in a war that ended before his momma was even knocked up. Suffice it to say, he didn’t like getting called on his bullshit, and I resisted the powerful urge to write “lying sack of shit” in the medical history section of the form.
Jonn, well said…
My grandfather served in the Army and later Air Force. 23 years, started off as a buck Private, retired as a Major. I have three cousins that work in DC, full bird Colonel, Lieutenant Colonel both in the Army and a Senior Master Sergeant in the Air Force who is about to retire. The Senior Master Sergeant has two children of her own, one in the Air Force, the other in the Navy.
My wife’s grandfather was a Petty Officer 2nd Class. Her uncle, another Lieutenant Colonel who was featured in the Wall Street Journal during Operation Desert Storm. Our other grandfathers both served in World War II. We have aunts and uncles who also served proudly in the military on all sides.
I served eleven years proudly in the Army, deployed twice and never thought much of it except to do my duty proudly and with honor. My family is full of sheepdogs and we will protect the sheep, both within and outside our family. I know plenty more sheepdogs in the midst of the prairies who will stand alongside us.
To the wolves…beware. Sheepdogs are tough bastards with razor sharp teeth and claws. And we have nasty, angry cats at our side to help in fight.
Wolves like Chevalier, Bernath, Visconi, Duke, Crane, and Otchy …you been judged, you been served, and you’re not going to be found wanting…well, wait….you will be wanting mercy from us.
Problem is however, we have none for wolves and other forms of scum….and we, the sheepdogs and our allies, will bring you down and leave nothing resembling or remembering you.
Consider this your (last) warning.
Thank you for articulating the problem.
It was a well written article.
Good article. A nice place to start my morning. 🙂
There I was in Iraq in ’06, a SPC 71L in the TOC of an Armor unit, my SFC got called away… and I had to do PowerPoint with know anything about what my new unit’s stuff was! It was horrible! (Just once, I’d like hear a fake war story like that instead of “There I was in the ‘Nam, junior-high commando, earning my MOH 2nd award… “)