USAToday; cut military pensions

| January 2, 2014

The editorial board of the USAToday comes out in favor of military pension cuts in a green-eyed envious opinion piece today, sent to us by Chock Block. Of course, they blame Reagan for our “generous” retirement benefits;

But one big group was largely untouched by Reagan’s overhaul: members of the military. They are still on a plan so generous that it allows them to retire in their late 30s or early 40s and collect a pension, with cost-of-living increases, for the rest of their lives. This is accompanied by lifetime health coverage whose premium, $460 per year for a family policy, has not risen since 1995 even as costs for everyone else have skyrocketed.

In last month’s bipartisan budget deal, Congress made some wholely defensible trims in military pensions, prompting a howl of complaints from veterans groups.

They protest too much. Way too much. The military pension system is not only extremely generous, it is also counterproductive. It drains defense money from today’s troops and weapons. And while the system encourages some people to consider the military who otherwise might not, it also encourages them to leave early, taking their first-rate training to go double-dip by moving into a civilian government job. In any case, they can collect pensions — intended as old-age protection — in the prime of their working lives.

Yeah, the system is way too generous. When I retired, twenty years ago yesterday, my pension was less than $12,000/year. In those twenty years, the generous COLA increases have brought the generous pension to a little more than $18,000 last year. So yeah, I’m cleaning up. I’d like to see some of the editorial board of the USAToday eat the shit I ate for two decades and settle for $1500/month before taxes. The thing that kept me in the service for twenty years was the FREE medical care I knew I’d need after gobbling down those shit sandwiches everyday. Before I got out, the FREE medical care was gone, but it was at least affordable. But obviously, it’s too affordable – while the Obama Administration and the editorial board of USAToday want lower medical for everyone else in the country, they want raise the medical costs for veterans, as a way of saying “thanks for your service, asshole”.

They want single-payer healthcare for illegal aliens, but screw veterans for expecting the government to keep their promises.

The editorial board of the USAToday continues;

This approach would save taxpayer money and help reach budget targets. It also would discourage people from leaving early after the government has invested so much in them.

The change would also make military pensions less wildly out of line with most Americans’ experience. Private-sector pensions, to the extent that they exist at all, are routinely scaled back or frozen in ways much more dramatic than these changes.

Certainly, protecting veterans impaired by their service is a different sort of issue. But the current system rewards all equally, including the 40% of servicemembers who have never seen a combat zone.

Yeah, suddenly the Left is worried about saving the taxpayers money – I almost believe that. And, oh, yeah, all veterans participated in war in some manner or another. Those who haven’t deployed filled some necessary function that contributed to the war effort, so don’t try to pit combat veterans against POGs with this battle, especially what with you, the editorial board of USAToday, being the most POG in this discussion, you cowardly assholes who rode out the war from behind your glass-topped desks, sniping at the troops every time you had the opportunity. And the sniping continues. Assholes.

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Hondo

ANCCPT: your older NCOs are dead on target. Insufficient incentives means you start lowering enlistment standards (does the term “Cat IV” ring a bell?) and having trouble attracting quality talent. That is seriously bad news.

Those conditions were prevalent during the late 1970s and, to a lesser extent, parts of the 1990s as well. Neither was exactly a wonderful time to be in uniform. And regarding readiness for combat: let’s just say it’s a damn good thing Grenada didn’t happen until 1983 – and that Desert Shield/Desert Storm didn’t happen during the late 1990s.

vietnam war protestor a.k.a. u.s.s. liberty

Usa today can’t cut anything. It was republicans who demanded cuts in veterans benefits and when the democrats balked said cut veterans benefits or no deal we are not cutting tax loop holes for are rich friends like the coke brothers! Look it up and try to spin this!

Hondo

vietnam war protestor: did your parents have any children of normal or higher intelligence? Just curious.

Mike

Or lived? My buddy is retired army, he doesn’t live any better than I do. If anything they should be getting raises in pension for twenty plus years of bullshit.

CC Senor

Every time vwp joins in this song starts running through my mind:

Hondo

CC Senior: and maybe this one as well? (smile)

Ex-PH2

Does that imbecile have to show up here and dribble all over the place?

I just had dinner. I don’t think anyone should have to spend an evening fighting a bout of nausea instigated by an illiterate, stupid ass with a brain the size of a pea, like vwpissypants. So shut up, you useless twit, and go tell your mother she wants you.

Green Thumb

@52.

Clown.

CI Roller Dude

I could use words like “fucktard” or “Assclown” for this guy, but I’m pretty sure he’s too much of an asshole to read this blog. How can you explain 20 or more years of “military” shit?

FoxtrotUniform

@42 Police pensions are ridiculous, you sit on your ass for 20 years and get to sleep in your own bed every night and make 3 to 4 times your average military retiree..

ANCCPT

Well, not to sound overly quixotic, I’m not in this for the money. I’m reserve so I have my professional career to plan for retirement with. The joes are going to need officers who care about them and their welfare, and to maintainin mission readiness so I’ll stick it out. I’ll be part of that dedicated (insane) group that’s going to have to embrace the suck to maintain standards until this blows over. And your point about Desert Storm and Grenada is well taken; as we all know here it’s a historical American pattern to slash the forces to the bone after a conflict, then scramble to make it up when the next war catches us with our pants down, while the joes trade lives for time. God help us if we get into another hot shooting war once the full defense cuts are implemented and six or eight years of piss poor recruits quality due to no incentives to get the good ones. But then again, I *did* always want to be an artilleryman….

I’m also sticking it out because want to make it to the War College someday; Not for aspirations for promotion, just because I want a degree from the War College. 😉

Hondo

ANCCPT: might have some useful info for ya. Mind if I drop you a note?

ANCCPT

Please do; The email provided is current.

Hondo

ANCCPT: roger, look for one later this AM.

Ex-PH2

Worst nightmare is all the good people get dumped or retire, and the incoming people are so poorly trained and ill-prepared that they have to recall all those who left when they hit their ’20’ and went to other jobs.

Oh, yeah, it can happen. If someone like me can imagine it, someone at DoD will do it.

Marine_7002

@60 Not always true. Detroit cops get an average of $30K a year after 30 years, and in the current bankruptcy proceedings, that might get cut.

David

PH2 – essentially that describes the Korea mobilization pretty well. Gold star for you, young lady!

Ex-PH2

@67 – Let’s hope it does NOT happen.

In re: pensions, careers, etc., I’ve just been watching a 3-alarm fire at a cement company in Chicago southwest of where I used to live. One of the employees was on the phone with a reporter and said he was off because of the cold weather, but he’s watching his job go up in smoke. Then he said ‘Thank God for the firefighters’, because they are out there now in below zero degree weather, with -19F wind chills, putting out a fire that involves propane tanks. They really do earn their pay. And I know that, when pension discussions for people like this come up – and they do, regularly – the first thing the rest of the people want to do is cut their pensions and benefits.

But those wanting the cuts aren’t the people who go out in the bitter cold and save a whole neighborhood from destruction and face getting serious injuries. The complainers are those who sit behind a desk, whining about how much the firefighters cost with their pensions and their benefits.

And do they ever say ‘Thank you’ to the firefighters, or other first responders?

No, they don’t. They just take them for granted.

No difference between the first responders and the military. Same bullshit, either way.

Sparks

@68 Thank you and well said. Those who complain about the costs of pensions are usually those who are protected by wealth or their own pension systems which assure them a comfortable lifestyle upon retirement. Such as, Congress, the current administration, and city elders like in Chicago and other major cities. It is never the little guy like the man watching his job burn. Screw around with the military pay and retirement system and you will get a screwed up military for the bargain.

Ex-PH2

‘a screwed up military’ – Or no military at all.

Sparks

@70 Here-Here.

vietnam war protestor a.k.a. u.s.s. liberty

George Washington complained too! Officers are always trying to make general by 35! To many chiefs not enough indians! Too many officers for two few promotion playing the old army game ask U.S. Grant about that! Cut the number of redundent officers and things will improve. Also bitch to democrats they are always trying to buy your love.

Sparks

VWP…even if you ever make an understandable, salient, valid point to the discussion…I don’t like you and never will. Please move to Colorado where you can now buy the all the pot you need. Huffing glue is not helping you at all! Now…GFY!

vietnam war protestor a.k.a. u.s.s. liberty

73@ To know me is to love me. I like people who disagree with me.

Sparks

@74 Now I understand. You like the attention of being the ass hole you are. Therefore I will not ever respond to your posts again. I will not give you the attention you seek. Over and OUT!

A Proud Infidel

Vwpissbucket, you ARE your own cousin!!

David

you must f*cking love us then…..

sadly, #72 was the most coherent thing you’ve ever posted.

Lorena

How much are we talking about cutting pensions? No offense, but I know SO many who retired at 38, got a pension, then went to civil service, got another pension at 58, THEN got a disability although they appeared perfectly healthy, so they got THREE checks a month from the government. Some of those military people never saw a day of combat in their lives. Now, I’m all for compensating handsomely for our military personnel WHILE they are in a combat zone. And I’m all for generous benefits for any soldier who was seriously injured in the line of duty. But it’s really time to separate out them from the desk jockeys who are getting the same benefits that maybe aren’t as deserving. I say cut the pensions of the desk jockeys, leave the rest alone.

UpNorth

@78. Last time I checked, everyone has the opportunity to go out and look for a job. If they get hired, kudos to them. Apparently, you have a problem with that?
As someone else said, somewhere on TAH, the people who didn’t see combat did the job and made it possible for someone else to go to combat.
In your estimation, the people who served in Europe, or CONUS, don’t deserve a pension?

Hondo

Lorena: so I guess you’re also OK with only cops or firefighters who got hurt on the job getting a full pension, and all other cops and firefighters who retire getting their pensions cut?

Last time I checked, today’s “desk jockey” in the military often was at the “pointy end” 18 months later.

Ex-PH2

Combat assignments have nothing to do with whether or not someone is eligible for a military pension, or for disability. There are plenty of instances of people who were disabled by work-related injuries while on duty and who were nowhere near a combat zone, and they weren’t desk jockey’s, either. At the same time, there are plenty of instances in which people in combat zones were ‘desk jockeys’ and had nothing to do with being in a firefight.

Your assumption that anyone who gets injured on the job but wasn’t getting shot at isn’t REALLY injured is completely without merit, because it is false.

And for your information, larena, anyone who retires from one job in any work environment, whether civilian or military, is NOT barred from seeking other work after retirement. That assumption on your part is also false.

It’s also baloney that you think a military pension is enough money to live on and support a family, especially in this economy where prices are rising as I write this. I don’t care how many people you think you know who ‘retired’ at age 38 and went to find other jobs. It isn’t illegal to go on working. And considering that some military pensions are less than I get for social security, how are those people supposed to pay the bills and put food on the table?

People like you are the reason vets wind up on the street.