You can’t quit, you’re fired
The Associated Press reports that Nidal Hasan sent a note to Fox News that he’s renounced his US citizenship;
The renunciation of U.S. citizenship is contained in a handwritten note dated Oct. 18, 2012, Fox News reported. A typewritten note that does not have a date says it is not “permissible” for someone to prefer American democracy over traditional Islamic Sharia law, the network also reported. Hasan wrote that Muslims should not “compromise their beliefs” for the sake of non-Muslims.
Hasan also wrote about Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical U.S.-born Islamic cleric killed by a drone strike in Yemen in 2011. The government has said that Hasan, a U.S.-born Muslim, had sent more than a dozen emails to al-Awlaki starting in December 2008. Hasan described al-Awlaki as his “teacher, mentor and friend,” Fox News reported.
The documents were released by Hasan through his attorney for civil issues, John Galligan.
Although a public renunciation of his citizenship doesn’t carry the weight of the law, can we stop paying him now? He doesn’t want to conform to uniform standards what with his beard and all, and now since he doesn’t want to be a US citizen, one of the requirements for being a member of the US forces, so cut off his pay.
Category: Terror War
Actually, it’s not a requirement of service in the armed forces that you be a citizen. We have lots of non-citizens serving.
However, I agree we should stop paying him. Put the money in an account. If convicted (how could he not be?) then the money goes to the victims. If acquitted, then he gets it as a lump sum.
Win/win
Yes, please stop paying him.
Thank you Ex-PH2. This guy is getting a savings account built up that I would envy. No expenses, just money in the bank. Makes me sick when I think of young troops with kids who in some states qualify for food stamps! Take his money and start paying the families of those he killed and the wounded he left.
Per #1, if you are in the USA and have been issued a permanent visa (Green Card), you are eligible to enlist in the U.S. Armed Forces. Problems is as a resident alien with a green card, you are not really eligible for any type of real security clearances, so the non-U.S. citizen mil personnel typically end up in the MOS’s that require a lot of hard labor and sweat, and not any access to classified information. As for jihadi hasan, non-citizens usually cannot become commissioned officers due to officers usually holding a SECRET clearance at a minimum; so the Army should strip hasan of his commission and pay him as an E-1; that would be my solution…
The Army should announce that renouncing citizenship has the effect of resigning his commission. Since he has to be on active duty for the trial, draft him back in the Army as a private, E-1. Basically the Choy approach.
#4, the part about the officer commission requiring citizenship is spot on, I was merely referring to a general requirement to be in the military. As a clearance holder, I’m familiar with the requirement to be a citizen to hold a clearance, but there are still several Navy rates that don’t require one, albeit once you get into the E6 and above ranks, the requirement to use SIPRNET and view message traffic forces you to get one.
However, his renunciation is merely a symbolic gesture. He cannot renounce while within the U.S., as provided for in Section 349(a)(5) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1481(a)(5))
“B. ELEMENTS OF RENUNCIATION
A person wishing to renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to relinquish U.S. citizenship:
appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer,
in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate); and
sign an oath of renunciation
Renunciations that do not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. Because of the provisions of Section 349(a)(5), U.S. citizens cannot effectively renounce their citizenship by mail, through an agent, or while in the United States. In fact, U.S. courts have held certain attempts to renounce U.S. citizenship to be ineffective on a variety of grounds, as discussed below. “
And the beat goes on….
Can we start a movement to make the public more aware that this murderer is still being paid by our government and in most cases, being paid more than some of our brothers and sisters in harms way! I suggest using #NoPay4Nidal or #HaltHasansPay
Now, I submit that if he truly wishes to do this, we put him on a plane to the closest country that meets these requirements and allow him to do it properly, then bring him back and drop his ass in GTMO as an enemy combatant.
IIRC, Hasan isn’t actually getting any of his pay, except for around $20/month or so for personal needs. When a service member is placed under arrest on charges such s this, his pay is held in escrow pending the outcome of the Courts-Martial.
If he is acquitted, he gets the pay upon the rendering of the verdict (or the next pay period, if memory serves me correctly) but if he’s convicted, then any fines, etc are docked from the pay in the escrow account.
In Hasan’s case, it’s pretty clear he’ll never see a dime of the money held in escrow, as it will be forfeited to the Army upon his conviction.
#6: Too bad we can’t ship his sorry ass off to Guantanamo Bay so he can properly renounce his citizenship there, and then we can just hold his sorry ass in that pen there as an enemy combatant, with no need for a return airline ticket…
NavyCWO4Ret: You read my mind with your #9; it’s pretty much what I said in #11 🙂
His pay shouldn’t go back to the Army, it should be distributed to the families of his victims. Once they’ve paid him, it’s his money. Upon conviction, the judge should order total forfeiture and restitution prior to his execution.
if you are going to ship him off to Guantanamo, it sure
would address a lot to issues to drop him off partway there; say from 5,000 feet maybe 40 miles off the coast. Lead ankle weights would be good, too.
The terrorist SOB’s renunciation isn’t worth that crap in his exterior shitter.
@10 – did not know that, good to know!
The families should be suing this guy and going after that Major pay.
How about we simply transport his ass to the embassy of a friendly foreign nation in DC, have an official who meets the legal criteria from the State Department meet him there with the proper paperwork, and let him sign and date it there? If I recall correctly, embassy grounds are by international law considered the sovereign territory of the nation maintaining the embassy – and not of the nation in which they are located – as long as the embassy is in operation.
Not positive, but it seems to me that would meet the legal criteria to allow this
turncoat terrorist assholeindividual to renounce his US citizenship.The only air time that asshole should be getting is for his public execution. I wish it was by firing squad and we could bid on being a member of the squad…. al proceeds to go to survivors of course.
It’s funny because enlisted pay routinely gets fucked up for no reason, so why can’t the same thing happen with Hasan? I doubt he’s checking his bank statement every two weeks.
Fucking shitbag.
Is the death penalty still on the table for this shitbag?
Just An Old Dog: so far as I can tell, yes. That’s why he wasn’t allowed to plead guilty some time ago – either the UCMJ or the Manual for Courts-Martial (not sure which) prohibits guilty pleas in capital cases.
Hondo, you are correct. Section 910 of the MCM as follows:
Rule 910. Pleas
(a) Alternatives.
(1) In general. An accused may plead as follows:
guilty; not guilty to an offense as charged, but guilty
of a named lesser included offense; guilty with exceptions,
with or without substitutions, not guilty of
the exceptions, but guilty of the substitutions, if any;
or, not guilty. A plea of guilty may not be received
as to an offense for which the death penalty may be
adjudged by the court-martial.
Holy shit can I have his citizenship? promise I can be more responsible and make better use of it than this waste of space and air … *facepalm*
Obama will do anything to avoid this workplace violence being called terrorism… All Democrats know only those racist crackers in the tea-party are terrorists… Charlie Rangel told us!!
What about the resigning his commission attempt? Simple logic would say that they couldn’t let him, but it is a novel idea to reduce his rank. Perhaps that is the one wish we would willingly grant him?
Does his renunciation mean that the Army can try him as a foreign national terrorist instead of as a US citizen??
I know, I know, but I can dream. . . .