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USAToday link;
“I hear that in World War II they only did 11-month tours of duty and then they rotated out,” says Fred LaMotte, 63, who teaches soldiers at Central Texas College.
“That’s nothing compared to what these people are doing. Four tours of duty. That erodes the soul. For most soldiers, it’s just too much,” he says. “Imagine coming home from Iraq and hardly being able to breathe for a few months and then you’re sent back?”
“I hear” that at Central Texas College that the teachers are so f*cking stupid that they can’t find the f*cking library.
So mad, I can’t think past phrases punctuated with “f*ck”.
UPDATE: So I called the Fort Lewis-McChord Central Texas College office and they tell me that no one by that name teaches there. The people at the Fort Hood CTC office have no record of him either. Looks like another case of the media taking shit at face value.
Category: Media
History Fail.
I think another letter to the editor is needed.
CTC is were I was taking some proxy classes up here in Alaska. So yes this school does receive TA funds from the Military.
Coffee Strong executive director Jorge Gonzalez says they’ve had people coming in offering to help since the massacre. One was Janet Kurz, a nurse who works with those suffering from post-traumatic stress disorders, who walked into Coffee Strong on Sunday.
Isn’t that one of those IVAW hippie hangouts? Oh yeah and as far as the reporter on that piece could I recommend a good movie? Say “Band of Brothers”.
What the fuck!?!?!!!! Eleven month tours in WWII…”I hear” what the hell is that? They were in it for the long haul. How about the folks on USS PERCH (SS176) who spent 3 1/2 years in Japanese “POW” camps, much of it WITHOUT ANYONE IN THE US EVEN KNOWING ABOUT IT!!! What does this idiot teach? What are his credentials? Fuckstick.
Dear Teacher of Soldiers at Central Texas College,
You must be singularly brilliant to be teaching such topics as troops rotation during WWII. Your recent assertion that at “11 months … they rotated out”, was well pure magic.
Look hear you under-educated idiot with moronic abilities. During WWII there was NO ROTATION. A serviceman entered the fight and stayed until it was over (1941 – 1945, while some spent even more time in post war critical areas of operations). That is why it was called, “WORLD WAR”.
The majority of service memebers who went home were those who could no longer fight, due to catastrophic injuries. Even death did not guarantee a rotation home.
Holy geeze, what are they teaching at this college.
Regards,
MCPO NYC USN (Ret.)
Yep that is the rally point from most if not all IVAW protest have come from to include the attempted “blocking” of the 3rd ACR from deploying.
There is an overwhelming amount of stupidity going around lately.
11 month tours? Hmmmm, my dad’s cousin was a TC in WWII, 2nd Armored Division. He managed to land in North Africa, got wounded, recuperated and ended up in France in June 1944. He was in Europe until after the end of the war, never returning to the states, until he was finally returned to CONUS, after the end of the war. Let’s see, some of 1942, all of 1943, all of 1944 and most of 1945? Seems that’s more than 11 months.
But, I’m not ensconced in an ivory tower, so what do I know?
He teaches several “tai chi exercises and yoga techniques” and world religions.
That link goes to Stars and Stripes. So now Stars and Stripes is publishing utter bullshit from usa today?!? I’ll add in a few F bombs too.
Yet another diploma mill peddling its wares to soldiers. A cursory viewing of Band of Brothers and a timeline of WW II battles should have been enough for the “professor” to get a clue. I can only hope that he is teaching something other than history.
This has GOT to be another satire piece?
Jebus. I don’t know much about hist-o-ree, but I do know my grandfather spent four consecutive years in the South Pacific.
Just pulled up the prof’s CV. BA in English from Yale, MVD in Theology from Princeton Theological Seminary. My respect in the Ivy’s remains the same – nil. http://www.ctcd.edu/hb2504/faccv/fac_viewCV2_using_sqlDB.cfm
Another article referring to him as teaching at Lewis for CTC:
http://yourworldreligions.blogspot.com/2007/08/northwest-guardian-article-fort-lewis.html
If you go to this gradebook upload for TAs, there is an Alfred Lamotte in the pulldown for faculty names:
http://online.ctcd.edu/faculty/gradebook_reformat2.cfm
A Seattle Times letter to the editor:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/northwestvoices/2012462651_controversyoverwikileaksandleakeddocuments.html
Editor, The Times:
How fascinating and sad that the primary reaction to WikiLeaks and Afghanistan is not about accuracy but secrecy [“Secret files yield grim, unfiltered details on Afghanistan,” page one, July 26]. No one disputes the truth of these documents. What is disputed is our right to know it.
The documents do not reveal future plans, but past events. The White House admits they reveal nothing new. Nevertheless, defenders of U.S. military policy argue vehemently that the right of government to keep secrets takes precedent over the citizen’s right to know. This is in total disregard of the fact that the war is fought in our name and with our tax money.
A society that wages perpetual war, and believes that keeping secrets is more important than revealing truth, has already begun to slide from democracy toward fascism.
— Alfred LaMotte, Steilacoom
It’s easily determined by going to Google. Even Yahoo! Answers has some idea as to deployments. I think its safe to say that they didn’t go home until the war was over.
https://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=length+of+world+war+2+deployments&btnG=Google+Search
Yeah, my late uncle Stan – who served with the 82nd in North Africa, Sicily, and France and Belgium – will be glad to hear about those “11-month tours” during World War II. I guess that must be why they sent him home after he nearly got killed at the Battle of the Bulge. So will my late uncle Bill, who served in Sicily and Italy until the end of the war.
Sheesh. This bozo from CTC has his head so far up his ass that he must have to unbutton his shirt to see. I certainly hope he doesn’t teach history there.
I went to CTC’s website and they list an Alfred LaMotte on their Distance Education website as faculty. Still trying to figure out what he teaches.
Seems he teaches Theology and/or English, if you follow his majors.
http://www.ctcd.edu/hb2504/faccv/fac_viewCV2_using_sqlDB.cfm
Did you try the one up here in Alaska Fort Richardson? AKA JBER?
Alfred LaMotte teaches Philosophy. I’m sure his classrooms are jam packed.
My Dad went into the Navy in 1943, and got out in 1947. He was in the war until it was over, and then was in Trinidad for awhile, then came home and was discharged. He came home one time, right after the war ended, and then was sent overseas again.
Who’s the bigger fool: the fool who tells the story, or the fool who writes it up for publication without checking the information they’re given?
That’s kind of OTW, everything I’ve read and all the WWII vets I’ve talked to said they were told that they were there for the duration plus 6 months. I think only the Air Force Bomber crews started getting rotated for flying so many missions— and that varied during the war….but if they actually survived 25 missions, they are considered Gods. I suggeted coming up with a number of “missions” some of our teams went out on in OIF 3…but when I came up with the idea of 50, I found most had already gone out on over 100 (into Baghdad.)
Isn’t WW2 where they used the term…”in for the duration”?
My Late Uncle Paul served in the Air Corps in Africa,then was transferred to England- didn’t get home until after it was over. My Uncle Al, the 11th ABN in the Pacific pretty much same thing, they would have friggin’ LOVED those 11 month tours, both of them were gone for 4+ years.
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It was duration plus six months. My dad got back in April 1946, one of my uncles got back in November 1946 and the other got back in 1947, but he was a chaplain who got assigned as military adviser to the Bishop of Panama. What ever the hell that was. Probably wanted to stay close to his source of Cubans.
11 months? Ummm no…My father was gone for just over four years, thank you very much. Fucking moron.
Back a few decades ago when I first enlisted in the USMCR, my contract said that in time of national emergency I was subject to recall for the duration plus six months. Later, on active duty I went to Desert Storm/Desert Shield. There, we heard rumors of 12 month rotations but never any official word so as far as we all knew, we were there for the duration. Of course, the duration turned out to be only seven months. Why anyone would believe this f***stick’s story is beyond me.
Damn, dumbass didn’t even see Band of Brothers.
There is a Fred LaMotte who is very active in the anti-war, anti-nuclear, pro-peace stuff down in that region of WA State. He is a interfaith preacher who presides over at Evergreen State College in Olympia and supposedly teaches stress and relaxation methods to service members in the South Puget Sound region. I would also note that Evergreen State College is what most of us would consider a radical liberal college that is left of even Berkley with thier approach to teaching and studying of herstory events.
I find it difficult to understand how a well educated man in his 60s (or “well educated” person of any age) could be so completely clueless. And… seeing a war movie or two and reading books, should not be a requisite for understanding the simple logistics of sending vast numbers of troops overseas in the 1940s, when this was done by ship and not jumbo jets. There are just some people that need to be hit over the head with… well… a book.
It would vary between units, where they fought and when.
If they were in the Army and fighting in Italy onwards the campaign lasted from July 1943 until May 1945 and the ordinary infantry would have been in combat a good 14-15 months of the 22 months.
If they were in the Army in France/Belgium and Germany, the campaign was from 6th June 1944 until May 1945. Of the 11 months a soldier would have seen less than 7 months of combat. This European campaign, 11 months total, is what I was talking about in the interview.
Soldiers in the Pacific fought shorter actions on the island-hopping journeys,and most likely saw around 40 days of actual combat. Some would have seen more. And it is true that some, in the Pacific, stayed in for four years total.
The point being that we have never stressed our fighting men and women with the kind of extended war we have in the Iraq-Afghanistan conflict. Thank you.
Mr. LaMotte: If that was your intent, you phrased it incredibly poorly when you spoke to that reporter. What you say above is not what you were quoted as saying by USA Today.
Frankly, your comment above smacks of after-the-fact research and damage control intended to “explain” an outright error on your part. I don’t think I’m buying it.
Dad was drafted in 1942 and was discharged in 1945. Granted I went to a public university but 1945 minus 1942 equals THREE YEARS not eleven months.