VoteVets teams up with CAIR
Yeah, if you didn’t not like VoteVets before, this might change your mind; VV and CAIR got together to protest General Gerry Boykin’s speech to cadets at a prayer breakfast. I don’t know enough about Boykin to give a rat’s ass what he’s said in the past, but you will never see an article about TAH teaming up with CAIR;
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) teamed up with the liberal veterans group VoteVets.org and with anti-Christian crusader Mikey Weinstein of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation to petition West Point to disinvite Lt. Gen. Jerry Boykin (USA-Ret.) from the February 8 event.
They claimed that allowing Boykin, a former military intelligence officer and an original member of Delta Force, to speak would be disrespectful to Muslim cadets. They cited what they describe as “Islamophobic” comments he made during church appearances in 2002 and 2003 in which he portrayed America’s fight against terrorism as a Christian fight against Satan.
So, I guess VoteVets is standing up for Satan? Good for them. What this dispute has to do with veterans and their representation in Congress I have no idea. I hope Soltz chokes on CAIR’s dick.
Thanks to Sparky for the link.
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“…former military intelligence officer…”, that’s some bullshit right there.
LTG Boykin was an Inf Officer who later transitioned to SF. He did serve in the senior DOD GO slot at Langley, but was not an Intelligence Officer.
Most of his career was spent in a SMU, which he also commanded.
In CAIR’s little world, anything that isn’t singing Allah’s praises and getting us all to bow towards Mecca five times a day is somehow “Islamophobic”.
And as far as Stolz goes, his 15 minutes aren’t up yet?
I’m glad Boykin isn’t speaking at USMA…but CAIR??
Even VoteVets should have been able to do better than that….
And CAIR? They can eat-a-dick, un-indicted co-conspirators in the Holy Land Foundation trial that they were, are and remain.
@3 CI…why? Have you ever met the man and/or heard him speak…on any subject?
I’ve heard him speak…he’s a Christian nationalist. His statements are anti-American.
@6: So are CAIR’s.
@7 – Never argued otherwise.
This shows the true nature of VV and that they will stoop to any level to push their ultra-leftist agenda. Even teaming up with a group like CAIR. I agree, is Satan next. I don’t care if some of VV has served or not. When you work to undermine the basic freedoms and liberties that we serve to protect and uphold, then you might as well be a commie-loving, anti-American asshole.
Why is it ok to protect the freedoms of flag burners but not a proven American patriot and someone who has served this country with distinction and honor. Neither CAIR or VoteliberalVets.org knew what LTG Boykin was going to say. They did this because they just don’t like him.
Good job on supporting the bill of rights for all Americans. I don’t expect a terrorist supporting organization to understand that, but for an organization led my supposed American Patriots like VV it uncalled for. They should be ashamed up themselves and go choke themselves with chainsaws.
@6, I can’t reach the same conclusion.
A man who devoted 30+ years of his life to serving the nation…who assessed into, served in and later commanded one of the two most demanding units in the DOD…whose passionate belief in a Christian God pretty much reflects the views of our Founding Fathers (excepting Jefferson of course); I can’t see how Jerry Boykin can be described as “…Christian nationalist…” and (most outrageous of all, in my view) as “…anti-American…”.
Incredible…
And for the record, I’m not particularly religious…I’d, most likely, be struck by lighting if I ventured into a sanctuary.
@7 – I’m not demeaning his honorable service.
He however, subscribes to a belief that we can and should limit the liberties and privileges of American citizens based on their religion.
We are a nation of religious plurality and religious freedom. His comments reflect his personal beliefs. Inciting to act on them is anti-American.
^^ That should be @9.
“We are a nation of religious plurality and religious freedom.”
No argument with you there…
“He however, subscribes to a belief that we can and should limit the liberties and privileges of American citizens based on their religion.”
If those citizens are fundamentalist practitioners of a religion who seek to overthrow this Nation’s Government, force an alien religion down the throats of citizens, demean and debase our culture and replace it with one that is steeped in bullshit, replace our laws with Sharia, and do their part in establishment of a modern Islamic Caliphate…well, I’m with him on that one.
I would need examples of Such speech CI to believe it is valid. There is more than enough graft and corruption in mainstream Islam, and enough to actually worry about that we really have to re-examine the claims of “Islamaphobia” Are they REALLY being racist, or are they sounding serious, and real warnings. I do not know enough to comment, but if CHAIR is getting involved, then I think the General might have said something true.
Boykin is the worst kind of bigoted christian extremist. Chalk up another one for Mikey Weinstein – way to go MRFF. Jonn, once again you’ve demonstrated the absurd and irrational lengths you’ll go to attempt to make a point and smear people you don’t like, even going so far as saying they’re on the side of (excuse me while I try and stop laughing – here’s my best Dana Carvey – Church Lady voice) SATAN! And again, you’ve shown how utterly tone deaf you are to creeping christian fundamentalism in the military. You never experienced it, so apparently it’s not a problem.
Boykin’s career speaks towards his character. If he was anti-American he would have never been placed in the positions in which he served. From shortly after Vietnam up through the mid 90’s, General Boykin worked as part of our anti-terrorism task force – protecting us from known and unknown enemies. You can bet your life that, when it comes to enemies of the United States, Boykin has your back. Any other conclusion is simply foolish.
10CI Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
@7 – I’m not demeaning his honorable service.
He however, subscribes to a belief that we can and should limit the liberties and privileges of American citizens based on their religion.
We are a nation of religious plurality and religious freedom. His comments reflect his personal beliefs. Inciting to act on them is anti-American.
That’s complete bullshit. He’s never said anything of the kind.
14Joe Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Boykin is the worst kind of bigoted christian extremist.
So is that.
@16 – He has stated quite openly that Muslims, American citizens, should not be afforded First Amendment rights, and their houses of worship should be closed.
When you seek to deny the rights and privileges to law abiding American citizens, that you enjoy…..you are anti-American.
To add to his statements, he had a habit of disregarding Army regulations by evangelizing in uniform without disclaiming that he was not representing the Army, this according to a DoD IG report.
“When you seek to deny the rights and privileges to law abiding American citizens, that you enjoy…..you are anti-American.”
When seeking to silence someone that doesn’t have the same viewpoint as you is un-American, also.
Just sayin.
Who’s silencing? Didn’t VV and CAIR engage in the same activism that anyone or other group does when protesting a speaker at an event?
If that’s silencing, the charge can be spread far and wide, and to both ends of the spectrum.
And rightfully silencing a government official who uses his position to flout the first amendment at a government institution, well I’m OK with that kind of silencing. Let him go hold his own private breakfast, then he can spout whatever kind of bulls**t he wants without trashing the first…
Joe…now I’m out of my “voice of reasoned discussion” mode as demonstrated by the civil debate CI and I were engaged in.
You, Joey, can simply go fuck yourself, little girl.
And your blow buddy, “Mikey” Weinstein, Joe…he can go fuck himself twice over.
Mikey’s my hero.
What is frustrating to me, is we can clearly see what has happened to other countries that have allowed large populations of muslims to come in. Its not like we have to sit around and theorize as to what might happen. Seriously liberal and open countries,like Britian and France are facing seriously overwhelming problems. To the point that they are faced with imposing new laws to try and stem the tide of a hate filled group of people. Sweden has been effectivly ruined by the muslim populations.The Dutch are being forced to introduce new laws,as their muslim populations are getting out of control. These countries are about as liberal as they get and even they cannot take it any more.
Yet here we sit in the US, gnashing our teeth and wringing out hands, trying to pretend that it wont happen to us.
Scoffing at people who even mention that there just might be a problem, scoffing at anyone who attempts to be proactive in stemming the tides.
Dearborn Michigan currently has a muslim population of 400,000+
#15, Joe: Somehow the complaints of a draft dodger who thinks that “Christianists” pose a greater threat to the military than jihadists just don’t bother me.
Hey,@#22, Joey boy, you ignorant slut, Boykin’s been retired since 2007. So he’s not a “government official” using his position. Do us all a small favor, try to get your head out of your ass before you hit that “submit comment” button.
And, you have the power now of prior knowledge? You know what Gen. Boykin would have said? If that’s true, please, PLEASE, tell us what Obama is going to say in his concession speech in November?
Boykin has been a target of anti-American and anti-Christian bigotry for many years. This isn’t a victory: cadets, including the 2? 10? Muslim cadets have been denied an examination of morality in the conduct of combat. This isn’t a victory – this is the birth of more Kill Squads.
Yay team. Rahrah for your victory. Enjoy the murders done in your name.
Joey–you’re so full of fucking shit your eyes are brown. If there’s a war being waged vis-a-vis religion in the military, it’s AGAINST Christians, not by them.
Seems to me the most common religion in uniform these days is NRP. Maybe had you served you’d know that.
Now go unplug your fucking electric meter already, will ya?
@29 – “Boykin has been a target of anti-American and anti-Christian bigotry for many years.”
That’s ironic….did I miss where somebody called for his church to be closed and his 1st Amendment rights to be removed?
@ #31….Are you arguing for the sake of arguing or do you know something about LT Gen Boykin that nobody else knows?
Apparently I’m the only one here who knows how to work the Google machine….
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/us/lt-gen-william-boykin-known-for-anti-muslim-remarks-cancels-west-point-talk.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/oct/28/20031028-113316-6459r/
CI, his church is closed every time he’s prevented from speaking. Simple anti-Christian bigotry is all this is.
Nice try….
A CAIR is one of those entities that just when they or their membership, seems to be on the cusp of indictment, they disappear. Just when you think they have disbanded or effectively been torn assunder, they return. Can’t say I’m surprised by their actions here, VoteVets not so much.
VV and Soltz have never missed an opportunity to side with America’s enemies, that is when not championing irrelevent minutia.
#26 Yep, but that’s the same flaw that both liberals and libertarianes suffer from or refuse to discuss, and that’s culture. All peoples and nations are not the same, so why at the very least do we want to import in masses from those “problem” populations?
CI, I’m going to be very clear on this, you trod the same ground so you of all people should know about the Assyrian Christians and how they suffered in the New Baghdad Area. If anything they got it worse than the Sunni and Shi’a at the height of the sectarian Pogroms. You of all people should know that despite having a dominant role in the West, Christians are more Lambs than Lions in the East.
Further, I’m also going to make this very clear, we keep on going on and on about how Islamaphobia is bad. Have we ever stopped to ask if we should be afraid? I would argue that yes we should. The only thing that keeps them from being as violent as the Reformation and the Counter-reformation is that they are decentralized. Further despite acknowledging that the People of the Book (Christians and Jews) worship the same God (YWY in the Jewish tongue, Jahovah in the Christian) It is seen as perfectly sane to butcher us. Before you bring up the Crusades or any of that, remember that this is over 800 years ago. That the “mainstream” of Islam sees the West at best a rival, should be troublesome, that they see the West as something worse. . . should scare the shit out of you.
Joe, I know you love to troll around, but a RETIRED General has the right to say whatever the hell he damn well pleases. Further, you seem to think Christians are the bad guys, so while you’re sneering go check out how much throughput the March of Dimes (one of the largest secular charities) as opposed to say, the Salvation Army. Also you will notice that when you compare Secular to Christian charities, there’s a LOT more Christian ones than Secular ones. Think about that the next time you feel the need to bash Christians.
@Doc – “Further, I’m also going to make this very clear, we keep on going on and on about how Islamaphobia is bad. Have we ever stopped to ask if we should be afraid?”
I haven’t gone on about Islamaphobia, my issue with Boykin and others like him, only when they espouse removing the protections, liberties and privileges of law abiding citizens based on a religious belief or the actions of a fringe.
@Doc – I got pulled away from finishing the previous comment:
I’m not terribly ‘scared’. I understand the threat and I understand the appropriate actions that should be taken to counter and mitigate it. That for me, essentially boils down to enforcement of our laws. Our Republic, national defense and our Constitution is structured in such a way, that we needn’t fear encroachment of Shari’a law nor the demise of our nation.
Only we can make the country fail.
What about the results of a survey that came out today stating that most muslims in the US want nothing to do with Sharia law? And you act as if people and muslims are static, permanent entities, when in fact there is continual generational change, individuals change their point of view, etc. It’s not as if islam is some monolithic borg being controlled by a master neuron intent on the destruction of the west. Immigrants get assimilatred. Children of immagrants in the US become as American as apple pie. Some of your fears are blown out of proportion.
Oh yeah, back to Boykin – he is an embarassment, the christian equivalent to a radical mullah, West Point is better off without him.
Then you won’t mind linking it, Joey.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/interviews-american-muslims-reject-separate-sharia-law-system-194357992.html
It’s not definitive, but it is informative.
Jonn,
On #27 – Shooting from the hip as usual. Just for the record, I am not a draft dodger. I was in the first lottery in 1970 I think it was, my number was 125, the DoD said they were gonna draft up to about #125, but it turns out they never got that far. I was not about to enlist to fight in that war that even its main architects later admitted was fatally flawed. But I’ll forgive you, I know facts sometimes get in the way of your bombast. And hey, great thing about this country, I can have opinions about the military even if I am not a member of your exalted club!
You can have opinions, Joseph–but like an asshole, yours is full of shit and stinks.
Oh, and nice survey ya linked to. By any chance, have you gone to a heavily Muslim community such as Dearborn, etc., and posed that question?
Believe me, for every archaic “study” you can cite, I can drop a dozen examples of Muslim “tolerance”, like this, the UCI Muslim Student Union, and so on.
I’m not saying there aren’t a few muslim bad apples, but there are just a few. I’m having trouble finding it online, don’t think I imagined it, but didn’t the city make a point of announcing, partly in response to Alabama’s strict new laws on illegal immigration, that it was a city that welcomed immigrants from all over the world?
Wow, Joey, you linked a “study” that surveyed 200 Muslims? Do you even see the weakness in a control group that small? It’s quite easy to get the results you want, and what you’re hoping for, if you limit the participants. “Just a few” Muslim bad apples? Not like Christians, where the bad apples are so prevalent? And, Yahoo? Seriously?
Dearborn, Alabama? You really don’t know how to use Bing or Google, do you? Dearbornistan is located in Michigan, right next to the garden spot of Detroit, another fine example of How to Run a City, by the democrat party.
I served in Iraq with a Muslim combat linguist who held a Secret clearance and who now lives in San Antonio, TX. Never had an issue with him. Our war is not with Islam. Get your head out of your fourth point of contact.