Anti-war vets grasping at straws

| August 12, 2008

Since no one is paying attention their outrageous blather about their mythical exploits in Iraq, Veterans for Peace and Iraq Veterans Against the War have decided that they’ll just complain about anything. An article last month in Sir! No Sir! (the same rocket scientists who think that Robin and I are one and the same are now ConLaw experts) decries a local Army commander’s publishing pictures of DWI arrestees on his post;

One of the bedrock principles of our criminal justice system is the presumption of innocence. This means that when someone is accused of a crime he or she has the right to try to prove their innocence by challenging the prosecutor’s evidence and offering their own witnesses and/or evidence to rebut the charges before a jury of their peers.

Commanding General Michael Oates has undermined this fundamental right by publishing the photographs and identities of Ft Drum soldiers who’ve been arrested for drunk driving in the four most recent issues of the base newspaper, “The Blizzard.” The paper has carried photos and news notes about each Drum soldier who’s been arrested for drinking while driving. Oates has told reporters that he is doing this to combat a growing tendency among soldiers to drink and drive. He apparently believes that by humiliating those accused of drunk driving others will be deterred from this behaviour [sic]. He also hasn’t stated whether the newspaper will publish retractions or apologies for those soldiers who are eventually acquitted of DWI charges or have their convictions overturned on appeal.

Well, when you put it like that…but wait. Don’t thousands of local papers across the country do the same thing in their “police blotter” features? Like my hometown paper, the Wayne County Times, coincidently in a county near Fort Drum, which, in the paper edition publishes pictures of the suspects in all of their inebriated, disheveled glory. So this commander is doing nothing that other communities have done to combat this dangerous behavior. So what’s the beef?

Members of the Iraq Veterans Against War (IVAW) at Ft Drum noted that many of the 48 soldiers who had their photos printed in the first Blizzard story, had returned from Iraq combat last November with the Second Brigade. “When you return to the base after a month or so of leave, that’s when PTSD often starts to kick in,” commented Sp/4 Eli Wright.

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Citizen Soldier attorneys have been researching the possiblity of a federal lawsuit to challenge Oates’ policy as an unconstitutional abridgment of due process rights. They are also discussing the problem with the New York State Civil Liberties Union, based in Syracuse.

Ahh, now I see…it’s an affirmative action and employment drive for local attorneys. The Left is always demanding that soldiers be treated as civilians in matters like fraternization, but not when it’s used as a crime deterrent. This is just the VFP and IVAW trying to undermine the order and discipline of the military.

The article says “many of the 48 soldiers” who were included in the first publication of the blotter report had just returned from Iraq. It’s been my experience that “many” in the IVAW actually means “few”. If there were indeed “many” we’d have seen a real number, but since there weren’t enough to be convincing of their argument, we don’t get to see an actual count. How about praise for the hundreds of others who returned from Iraq and didn’t drink and drive? Now that’s “many”.

The VFP and IVAW claim that they’re only concerned with the mental health of the troops, that the rise in alcoholism is a symptom of their PTSD. Well, I’m no medical professional, so I have no opinion on that subject. What I do know, after living in the Fort Drum community during and after my military service is that alcoholism has always been a problem at the remote post located near Canada (where the drinking age is 18) and where were these activists when Fort Drum deployed 50% of it’s population every day for the Clinton years – when every soldier on that post was either deployed or preparing to deploy for the entire time I lived there (from 1992 until 1999)?

Fort Drum is sorely in need of better medical facilities, but that need has been there since the post became an active post in 1985 – where have these “advocates” been for the last 23 years?

All I’m asking for is consistency.

Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Support the troops

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Caroline

One of my guilty pleasures is reading the arrest reports from the DFW airport, their drunks get angry when you won’t let them on a plane!

Drunk driving is a very serious matter, but you are talking about young 20 something’s, with free evenings and expendable income….what else are they going to do but get drunk and try and pick up the ladies? It’s the same deal at most college campuses; it’s the adolescent sense of invulnerability.

Raoul Deming

Hearsay testimony isn’t legal, therefore Winter Soldier 2.0 is illegal and IVAW is a criminal organization.

TSO

Drinking to drown your PTSD is like screwing to forget that you have herpes.

How about you all just man up and seek help instead of being cowards and blaming your self-destructive behaviors on something outside your control. PTSD is nothing to be ashamed of, turning into a coward who eschews all personal responsibility is however.

usnretwife

“All I’m asking for is consistency.”

You’re asking for an awful lot, there, from that bunch, Jonn!

streetsweeper

TSO Said:

“Drinking to drown your PTSD is like screwing to forget that you have herpes.

How about you all just man up and seek help instead of being cowards and blaming your self-destructive behaviors on something outside your control. PTSD is nothing to be ashamed of, turning into a coward who eschews all personal responsibility is however.”

Dead on the money, TSO! Thats along the lines of what I’ve been trying to get across to that *knucklehead* over at FT. Hood! Put it up over there if you would or I will if it’s ok with you.

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LT Nixon

Good god, IVAW is treading on dangerous ground:

One of the bedrock principles of our criminal justice system is the presumption of innocence. This means that when someone is accused of a crime he or she has the right to try to prove their innocence by challenging the prosecutor’s evidence and offering their own witnesses and/or evidence to rebut the charges before a jury of their peers.

First off, military justice is nothing like civilian justice. Most DUIs are (at least in Teh NaVy) are dealt with at Captain’s Mast. It goes down like this. Drunk sailor gets picked up for DUI, the police call his Chief to come pick him up at the slammer, the police turn him over without a lot of hassle because the local law enforcement knows the military will deal with it properly. If he’s a good kid that made a msitake, the Captain goes easy on him, and if not he gets in a lot of trouble. The end. (I have never heard of DUI going to court-martial).

By jeopardizing the military’s special relation with law enforcement, this opens the door to a lot of ambulance-chasing type lawyers to start putting their mitts where they don’t belong. Why does IVAW think that military servicemembers have the same rights as civilians?

Army Sergeant

LT Nixon:

In your Captain’s Mast, are you not allowed to call witnesses? Our Article 15s are in the Army. I think a key component of this is: is he publishing their photos after they’ve been found guilty under Article 15 or otherwise proceedings, or just as soon as the cops bring them in?

Jonn wrote: And I think the key component here is that every local newspaper in the country has a police blotter column, some even run pictures of the accused, as in the Wayne County Times that I mentioned before. I think you and your comrades have a weak understanding of the law, either that or you’re engaged in undermining the order and discipline of the military by starting shithouse rumors. I lean towards the latter.

Tell me when your shithouse lawyers file their lawsuit since they think they have such a solid case…I’m betting they have no intention of filing a lawsuit. Just propagandizing. If IVAW filed all of the lawsuits they claim they can, the courts would be backed up for years.

I’m really losing patience with you clowns. I mean REALLY.

Frankly Opinionated

We have a little weekly county paper here in The FL Panhandle, (another place where we bitterly cling to guns and religion), that does much the same. And, this paper, like the Drum paper, Say: “arrested for,,,,,,,”. That is not a violation of presumption of innocence. It merely states that one was “arrested for” a particular crime. These political correctness panty wetters wouldn’t know how to act if they had an actual life. These same libtards would disarm the American Citizen, but don’t feel the same about misuse of the most dangerous weapon of our time. Daily, how many people are killed or wounded by gun owners, compared to how many are killed or wounded by drunk car owners? Get out from under the Playstation and go out and try to find a life, losers!
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YatYas

If this helps some troops be more careful about drinking and driving, it sounds like a good idea. Even when civilians are arrested in California it is a matter of public record and open to everyone. Back in the early Nineties, Oceanside PD tried to cut back on prostitution by putting Johns’ (not Jonn) names in the paper. It seemed to help, especialy for us Marines. It was also kinda funny seeing some high ranking enlisted and officers names in the paper.

Ray

If publishing bad mug shots and arrest reports of people was illegal The Smoking Gun would have been sued by now by some of the big shots who have graced thier pages with their glamorus arrest photos (Nick Nolte comes to mind.. LOL) If I were Army Sgt, I’d worry more about the very real chance that active duty IVAW members may face charges for their continued insubordination.

Anonymous

PTSD = A non-disease made up by lawyers and shrinks during Vietnam to get criminals off when charged with a crime and on the VA dole for a few extra bucks per month. Millions of dollars have been fed into the pockets of shrinks and lawyers in the past 40+ years in the biggest con in history.

Army Sergeant

Anonymous, you’re an ignorant asshole.

Frankly Opinionated

PTSD is no different than the WW-II malady called “Shell Shock”. And should be treated just as those vets were. Not with big cash “gimmes” but with reasonable mental/medical care. War is ugly, and affects different people in different ways. My only problem with PTSD is that it has,in fact, been hi-jacked by the lawyers, as has much of conventional medical problems. Yes, Army Sergeant- Anonymous is an ignorant asshole. Why do you suppose the jerk signed himself-“anonymous”?
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