Solidarity with Matthis
IVAW's Matthis Chiroux, Robyn Murray and MFSO's Elaine Brower burn the US flag "This is not my country!"
Surprise! Another IVAW member who didn’t deploy to the War Against Terror supports Matthis’ flag-burning exploits on the public pages of IVAW. This one is Carl Davison who enlisted not once but twice – in the Marines and the Army. I’ll republish his rant, but don’t expect anything too coherent;
Some have said that burning a flag is an aggressive act of war, I agree, By supporting resistance to these wars and the conduct of the US government we are fighting a form of social war on them, not a war with arms, we are putting ourselves in an adversarial position to them and true we do not all agree one each others chosen methods of bringing change but are we going to require every member to police themselves and tame her or his passion just because some it might be seen as bad, there are plenty of active duty soldiers and veterans who are supportive of burning the flag and there are those very against it, We can only speak for ourselves when we are out in public.
I went to jail for refusing to deploy to Iraq after more than 7 years in the military because I finally realized that to separate thought and verbal support from acts, what you actually do is essentially hypocrisy…if you feel something is right, do it, dont talk about supporting the action (Im not talking about supporting ones right to do it Im talking about supporting the act) and to say that one of us can represent all of us is ridiculous. As long as someone’s actions are for ending these wars and dont cause death are serious injury. I support those actions. But that is just me not everyone in this organization, Its not just Matthis, here are more vets out there who support the act of burning the flag, and have burnt flags before (I have myself). If a member is getting threats like Matthis (I dont know about Robyn or Elaine) we should have their back, because there were just expressing their views as free human beings. Personally I think flags are symbols of divisions and pain and yes, “flag burning is cool”, Break that which breaks you! In solidarity with Matthis!
I don’t know anyone who has threatened Matthis, but the “flag burning is cool” line is lifted directly from one of my posts on the subject. Disagreeing with Matthis isn’t “threatening” him, you drama queen. You can manufacture any excuse you want to support Chiroux, but don’t use me as your impetus, needledick.
The only threats I’ve seen against Matthis is IF he decides to enter Texas and none of those threats were made on this blog. It’s funny how most of the people who support Matthis’ theater never fired a shot in the war. I’m just sayin’.
Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Phony soldiers, Usual Suspects
Sniper and I on my Facebook page openly wished for him to light himself on fire. I think all this “threatening” bullshit might be from my facebook entry.
i know I’ve said that Matthis with be met with true resistance when he comes to Texas. I know others have said the same. Boo Hoo you thin skinned wuss. When I was getting death threats for making my films from Iraq, where was the support? I guess I have to not deploy, rape a woman, and get all warm and fuzzy with the ISO to be cared about. Hypocrites.
I sincerely doubt my son is truly being threatened, it’s just the new attention getter in the media right now. If my son’s heart was truly in solidarity with his mouth he would walk into the Philippine Embassy, give legal testimony and face the consequences of his open admission of the horrible and reprehensible crime he committed against that innocent, defenseless Philippine girl. Short of that my son has no moral standing to protest a thing, let alone burn our flag.
Right on, sir! I could not agree with you more.
Not in my house…
Agreed. He has the right to free speech, so do we.
Mr. Chiroux, sometimes it is a true shame that we cannot control the people our children become. God gave them free will and only gave us a limited time to try and teach them to be people of whom we can be proud. We know you did your best, but society and, perhaps, faulty wiring, allowed Matthis to become the mooching narcisist he is today.
This world would be a better place if Matthis was more like you; alas he is not. My heart aches for you everytime I see one of his antics.
All threats against Matthis were delivered in the form of rap lyrics, which according to IVAW would indemnify the author against any form of legal action. Should IVAW pursue such action, I am sure we can manage some sort of legal defense fund intended to fight the extradition and persecution of artists and their works.
my impression of most of the ivaw is that they are antisocial personalities.
they get to hang out with code pink and the other assorted miscreants, and they can
freely engage in antisocial behavior AND feel sanctimonious about it – now, how great is that
for them!!
Then again, he might have taken issue with my earlier statement that next time he wants to burn the flag, he should wrap himself in it first. Dear Mattis, I stand behind my previous statement. I know I’m not speaking for the owner/operators of this site, so if you want to take legal action against anyone, Mattis, here I am. I’m sure Jonn or TSO will be more than happy to pass my contact information along should you grow a sack beyond the size of a pea. I’ll be waiting, douchebag.
Since rap lyrics about violence are ok, I felt compelled to share this my tight jam written by me from my blog:
Matthis B a punk bitch, when I’m done with him he’ll be walkin’ with a twitch.
That flag burner will can meet my .45mm burner.
He’ll be a die’in sparrow while I laugh in my Camaro.
He’s goin’ to pay for his crimes against ladies when I chop him with my machete.
How am I doing? hahaha
This is in NO WAY a THREAT against any IVAW members or Matthis Chiroux, just an expression of my anger. 🙂
Oh, my turn!
Parental Advisory: Explicit Lyrics
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People I don’t like
get kicked in the box
like an annoying dyke.
Take for instance this Matthis clown who wants to stand on a stage
he burned a flag with a cow
I’ll blast him with my 12 gauge.
His public persona spreads hate and vitriol
like a tired ass old man in the base sauna
then he come on the interwebs to claim love and compassion will conquer
Transparent as a jizz stain left on a raped Philippine
ain’t nobody but the revolutionaries know what I mean
Hey-yo,
I’m so misunderstood!
Fuck that fake vete-ran
he steals valor from the rest of us that-can
not bring ourselves to lie about our service
Why? Just to get in the pants of an annoying hippie feminist
Misunderstood?
He does nothing but hang out in the same tired white guilt neighborhoods
Come down to another part of America
Where self loathing isn’t isn’t admired like a bygone 1960’s era
We don’t love our government our or politicians
and there is more than enough disagreement with their policy decisions
But if you want to take a shit on every American
I’ll shoot you in the face then grind you into a large ammo can
and then I will feed your remains to an alligator
Norman Morrison set himself on fire outside the Pentagon to protest ‘Nam. Does this dude have the courage of his convictions for that? Probably not.
I think there is a difference between threats made to Matthis and Porter and the threats Marc Hall made. Marc Hall was using an expressive outlet like music, which is supposed to be a somewhat abstract art form to convey emotion.
Whereas I do not think direct threats to Matthis or Porter should be taken as lightly, but in the long run those who did the threatening are just conveying their feelings and emotions so it can’t really be held against them either now can it?
Those of us who think freedom of speech goes far beyond words alone and agree with the sentiment Matthis made should stand in solidarity with him (basically ‘leftist’ speak for get his back). Dont confuse me with some pacifist liberal or authoritarian socialist, I’m not going to say ‘oh no,end the violent threats’ I hold no illusions, we are not all in this together, what I’m saying is you got your side and I have mine and the moderates who are unwilling to fight fall in between. Meanwhile fuck all you “needledick” mother fuckers “flag burning is (still) cool” – Carl Davison
#15 Carl John Davison aka Gypsy Vet aka DAVY
In your comment above you state:
[…Dont confuse me with some pacifist liberal or authoritarian socialist…]
But in your letter to LTC McKean, D. Scott, LTC, 1-66 AR, 1 BDE, 4ID dtd Feb, 25, 2008 you state that:
[…I am only trying to declare my libertarian-pacifistic views and what I must do.]
After seven years in the military you still don’t seem to know wtf you are.
And on March 14 2009 you wrote:
[…And for every service who might read this, I attempted suicide while in the Army at Ft. Gordon Ga, and was about to again at Ft. Hood but my friends were there for me…]
There are hardly any comments on your blog Davy. And it’s been up for quite a while. Where are your friends? Did any of them go on to serve honorably while you chickened out?
LTC McKean was my Battalion commander while I was deployed and making my film. So you where in 1-66 too?
By the way what ever happened to Michael Kern?
Porter: I’ve talked to you before, it was after you transferred to 1-66, you knew I was in 1-66 but it was a while ago, you may not remember?
And I said “pacifistic” as in pacifist leaning but that was in early 2008 and honestly alot has changed since then. Note I did make a point to say that I was against modern warfare (in the sense of the way most imperial nations fight warfare) and not all warfare, I have never been a all out pacifist, I think pacifism is naive, I always have. To clarify things I am an anarchist. I dont side with those who attempt to control an organization or people, no matter what side they are on, I side on what I think is right.
I have many friends still in the military and many who have been discharged honorably as I was from the Marine Corps, I’m not some boot straight off the bus.
And in regards to my friends at Hood, we are still friends, I was just in Killeen a few months ago.
And as far as the whole “this is not my country” mentioned above, I dont agree with that, this is my country, country meaning a geographical location with people from a similar culture and sociological traits, there is no way it can not be my country, I was raised here but I do not accept the legitimacy of this nation or any other nation.
Then why don’t you hit the road and get the fuck out of town, Davison? Find that perfect place, you know, Utopia. Where there are no rules and no one to tell you and Matthis what to do?
“A similar culture and sociological traits”? Coming from an anarchist, that’s rich. Anarchy has no culture, or sociological traits, dipshit.
Dang, UpNorth, you’re either up very late or up very early.
Not meaning to intrude upon a discussion that I’m not a party to, but I couldn’t help but note that your statement that “anarchy has no culture or sociological traits” doesn’t make sense. An anarchistic society would be one that has no ruler or government. All of its other traits would still be intact.
You probably did Carl, it rings a bell. I just talk to so many people I can not keep it all straight.