Banning/blocking people.
Most people choose to take risks in life. Some more than others and their reasons for doing so vary to a large degree.
Herman Cain decided to put himself at risk. People can agree with what he did or disagree with it.
I joined the United States Marine Corps. I joined with a guarantee that I would be put into a Combat Arms field. I did so knowing it put my life at greater risk.
At one point in my career, I was sitting comfortably behind a desk at a Command Headquarters. When Beirut started I was not about to stay behind that desk and push paper around. I used an early re-enlistment option and a lateral move back to a Combat Arms MOS to get on the next boat to Beirut. Once again, I did so knowing that it put my life at a greater risk than manning that desk, but make no mistake, I did love my desk.
Many of us joined the military of our own choosing. I did. Those of us that did, put our lives in greater danger than most other Americans.
The Soviet and I still go Scuba Diving as often as possible. Doing so puts our lives at greater risk than if we stayed at the Hardin Compound. I still fly a DA-40. There is a greater risk that I will turn into a lawn dart by doing that than if I stayed on the ground.
I have been Spelunking all over the world. Not a smart thing to do if your Safety is the most important thing in your life.
I have held men while they died from choosing to do things that put their life, and mine, at risk.
I do not recommend my way of life to people. I do not insist that others agree with it. I do not force others to participate in it. Those that do choose to participate in activities of higher than normal risk are fully aware of the risks.
Herman Cain was fully aware of the risks he was taking. He must have believed that there are things in life worth dying for.
The only people at risk during that Trump Rally were people that made a choice to put themselves at risk. Some think it is better to not put their lives at risk.
I think President Trump tweets too much. I do not like everything that he does or says. I disagree with some of his positions on issues.
Nonetheless, I will do exactly as Herman Cain did… I will put my life at risk to make sure Donald J. Trump gets re-elected. His election as President is more important than my personal safety.
I see what the Democratic Party has become as the greatest threat to the existence of this country than any other enemy it has faced during my lifetime.
I will not cower to it. I will not hide from it. I will not ban it from this site. I will not pretend that it is going away on its own.
Darwinian outcomes only happen to creatures that are incapable of changing their path. Bad ideas are conquered by good ideas. I will not cave in to the temptation that many have suggested to silence bad reasoning. Doing so is Fascist.
If I have a choice in the matter, I would much rather die in a pool of my own blood than a puddle of my own piss. I do not blame those who are afraid of dying, I rage against those who are afraid to live.
There are those for whom I will gladly give what is left of this life so that they may live free.
I will not be spoon-fed safety by anyone.
Category: Administrative, Liberals suck
good words. Thanks Dave. I will do the same
Dead on Mr. Hardin. Personally, I hate my desk…
TESTIFY!
If you really wanted Trumpmtomget re-elected you would do the bare minimum to slow or stop the spread of this virus. The pandemic was a softball for a Trump. President score massive approval increases during a crisis. All he had to to was get in television and assure people his administration was doing everything it could to protect the American people. All he had to do was regurgitate the advice of experts. Ask Americans to protect themselves and others by wearing a mask. And help to make sure the stares and localities had the resources they need without requiring they appease his ego to get the. He would have easily been re-elected. Instead he treated a public health problem as a public relations issue. And then instead of listening to the science and experts he succumbed to any narcissistic wounding and insisted they were wrong and he was right. Sparing a political movement of cult like sycophants who thought that believing the virus was a genuine risk to the public was partisan impurity, or that wearing a mask was the same as being disloyal to Trump. Herman Cain sacrificed his life for this false narrative. Performative obedience to a party run by a deeply disturbed narcissistic sociopath. But more significantly he put the lives of other at risk for his false narrative. People who associated with him, health care workers, and anyone dumb enough to listen to him and those promoting the “plandemic” or “shamdemic” narratives on his behalf. Some sociopathic political operative wrote a false news story on Hermain Cain’s behalf, attributed it to his name, and then shared it on his official twitter account,.. while he was dying on a respirator. Unable to talk or communicate with those he loves and those that loved him. While healthcare workers risked their health trying to save him. There is nothing brave or patriotic about not wearing a mask. You don’t protect freedom by not wearing a mask… you suppress freedom. You put the lives of others at risk, you increase the probability of spread. You cause this pandemic to impact… Read more »
And to the sharpshooters; Yeah, there are typos in my post. Deal with it or don’t. But pointing that out as a rebuttal is not rebutting a damn thing.
Also, i said I Would leave the Hermain Cain thread.
Not all threads.
Which is why I did not respond to the dipshit that said Hermain Cain died of stage 4 cancer, not Covid.
No, actually I do not support the unrealistic idea that we “Stop the Spread of the Virus”.
We initially needed time to prepare for its spread. The vast majority of our population needs to get this virus and build herd immunity.
I do not support hiding in our bunkers and handing out trillions of dollars to perfectly able people.
Hide if you want, I have no issue with that. You can hold up for as long as you wish.
We are prepared to deal with it now. If I die from it, I will have died a Free American not a scared coward hiding in the shadows.
Those who want to hide until a vaccine come along should STFU while the rest of us get on with life.
“Those who want to hide until a vaccine come along should STFU while the rest of us get on with life.”
Hear Hear.
Yeah, except the health care workers, grocery store workers, and anyone else that are exposed to your irresponsible and selfish display of personal freedom while you expose them to your vaporized sputum.
Your way of thinking is why government is necessary.
Not putting the lives and safety of others at risk is not merely a issue of personal freedom. If people didn’t have to be constantly told to not put others at risk it would go a long way to reducing the need for as much government,
Actually you stupid fuck I wear a mask if I am in confined spaces where I can’t Social Distance. If I go to church, store or some other building where I work I wear a fucking mask.
The reason we need government is to take care of retards such as yourself.
And you wonder why we think you’re in favor of fascist, authoritarian government.
People wanting to be free in their persons and effects really gets in the way of the government commanding them how to live, doesn’t it?
I understand the herd immunity argument. However, the virus is extremely virulent. And it overwhelms healthcare capita very quickly if the spread is not slowed. Once that happens people not only die from the virus who might have otherwise survived it, but people die from other medical issues because intervention is unavailable or delayed. We could have just taken a social darwinistic approach and let it burn through society. But early on we didn’t have clear enough umbers to predict how many lives that would have taken, 2 million was not unreasonable. Disproportionally boomers. A better approach would be to maintain a normal activities WHILE WEARING a mask and social distancing as much as possible. Wearing a mask while trying to maintain as much normal activity as possible both pursues herd immunity while doing so at a rate that slows the spread enough to prevent overwhelming our medical capacity. We have been trying to implement that nationwide, but unfortunately a minority, but not insignificant, percentage of our society has convinced themselves that wearing a mask is disloyal to Trump. So you can claim we should not have shut anything down… and that we should reopen…. I don’t agree, but it is a legitimate argument. But claiming we should not wear masks is nonsense, Dave. And claiming it is acceptable risk you are willing to take is also nonsense. The mask does more to protect others than it does to protect yourself. So it is not just you accepting the risk, you are needlessly subjecting others to the risk. Imagine a drunk driver claiming he should have the right to drive drunk because it is a risk he is willing to accept for himself..because “freedom”.. Or a surgeon who chose not to wear a mask in a surgery because exposing your open chest cavity to his vaporized breath is a professional risk he was willing to take. Doing the bare minimum to protect others from your risky behavior impulses is a civic duty. Fundamental to the social contract. Any small government conservative would argue the same. Because it is only though… Read more »
The “Responsible” thing at this point is for perfectly healthy people to get over the unreasonable fear of getting COVID.
If you love your country and are perfectly healthy, get the COVID for your Country.
The more healthy people that get it in the shortest amount of time, the quicker we can get back to being Americans.
Please pass the word to the Leftist Loons that still believe not getting it is productive in some way.
While you have it, stay away from people. 10-14 days of isolation is better than everyone hiding for a year or more.
Take one for the team bro, get the COVID!
It was -so- overwhelming at -peak- spread that hospital ships and field hospitals went almost unused. With the vastly reduced hospital capacity, from idiotic shutdowns, we still have adequate capacity.
Oops. Thought we forgot?
Your credibility is zero.
The reason I keep having to call you a “dipshit” is because you seem incapable of realizing it yourself.
Dear Kummissar,
You are, in fact, stupid. Willfully so.
You were wrong about TPP.
Wrong about Russia.
You are wrong about COVID. All virus(es) are “virulent”. Duh.
As for your Karen demand that we shut down the economy and stay hunkered down because you fear something you don’t understand…just STFU.
Coronavirus is not new, not “deadlier than…” and not going away.
In all likelihood, there will never be an effective enough vaccine to guarantee no risk. The sooner you get exposed, the sooner your weak, pink, leftist system can adapt.
But that is what you fear, actually. That people will develop enough passive immunity to make your “golden opportunity” to imprison the masses disappear.
Your ignorance goes up in proportion to your shrillness. A hallmark of the type of ideologues who can rationalize their roles as gulag guards.
The CCP Virus will never go away, never disappear, and without the economy, your dreams of free shit never happen.
It isn’t that complicated for the mechanic at the dealership, because only an “academic” is stupid enough to ignore the plain truth in their face.
As for masks…sigh…my mask does not protect YOU. It is personal protective equipment, not other’s protective equipment.
And that black bandana you probably wear isn’t protecting you from anything at all.
I know you think you are “speaking truth to power”, but what you are actually doing is speaking AOC to yourself.
What a maroon you are.
Or, you are lying.
10-4 bitch!
extremely virulent? Man are you not looking at the numbers? It’s a kitten compared to the 68 flu. A kitten. I survived that. BTW, you look at the AMA article on wearing a mask? Probably not. They say don’t. How about the FDA’s “Study” on disapproving use of HCQ usage? 300 people including 200 high risk vets. BTW, way to leave the thread.
The 68-70 flu took two years to kill 1M globally, And 100k nationally.
With Covid, We are already at 670K dead globally, and 155k nationally in 8 months.
The US population was only 200 million in 1968. So about 60% of the current population. So population adjusted Covid has killed 93k in less than half the time it took the 1968 flu to kill 100k.
Also, when I said “virulent”, I did not try to claim “more virulent than any other virus”. So you attempt at a reputable was a bit of a red herring.
Of course, the population was 1/3 what it is today.
My God. Do you really have to be told everything?
Are you really this stupid?
Geebus, you have gone full retard past dead ant-ee-faaaa
You do realize that we have 55,000 dyeing every month from Old Age and Disease’s. Now that we have Covid-19 those numbers have disappeared. The pay is better for the Hospitals, and the Drug Companies!
The virus is not “extremely virulent”, unless you have comorbidities that make you significantly more susceptible to it. If it was extremely virulent, tons more people would have it and tons more people would be dead. Don’t practice medicine, you aren’t very good at it.
“unless you have comorbidities”
That would be defenseless senior citizens living in care facilities in New York and New Jersey.
Andy lied… granny died.
BTW – the County Health officer in my AO issued the same order in March, and guess where most of the Chinese Virus fatalities have happened?
I can understand a politician making such an asinine decision, but a health officer should have known better.
Political patronage job.
Where do the high-talent medical types usually go?
Some go to government service out of duty. Many go because it beats scut-work.
Big time agreement.
“Also, i said I Would leave the Hermain Cain thread.
Not all threads.”
Actually, no, you didn’t..
“Commissar says:
July 30, 2020 at 3:02 pm
Don’t bother.
I will leave for the day.
I made my point: don’t be an irresponsible moron like Herman Cain; wear a damn mask. If not for yourself then to protect others.”
I was talking about the Herman Cain thread. Which is why I stopped posting there. I knew after I posted it would be interpreted as you did but I could not correct it.
I was waiting for Dave to follow up on that deleted post yesterday.
And yet here you are again making a total narcissistic idiot of yourself in order to be the canter of everyone’s attention, Major Moonbat!
Yeah Major Moonbat, you spout off like that and JUST WHAT did your hero B. Hussein 0bama do during the spread of the H1N1 virus which had a far higher fatality rate than the COVID which came from COMMUNIST CHINA?
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-h1n1-flu-covid-pandemics-response.html
You could have just googled it yourself.
You talk a lot for having nothing to say. Take this as actual advice and not sarcasm. Brevity is the soul of wit. Cut your bloviating bullshit and keep it short and simple you Dunning Kruger halfwit.
Dead Man, I like it that you keep bringing up Dunning-Kruger in reference to Comrade Dipshit.
It is such an apt fit…
Dunning-Kruger better applies to idiots that think they know more than the experts.
Everything I am saying is what the medical and scientific app community is saying.
You nitwits are the ones who think you and Trump know more than the experts.
Experts are rarely deserving of the title.
“This telephone has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us.” – Western Union internal memo, 1876
“Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia.” – Dr. Dionysius Lardner, 1830
“I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.” – Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
“X-rays will prove to be a hoax.” – Lord Kelvin, President of the Royal Society, 1883
“The horse is here to stay but the automobile is only a novelty—a fad.” – The president of the Michigan Savings Bank advising Henry Ford’s lawyer not to invest in the Ford Motor Co., 1903
“Television won’t last because people will soon get tired of staring at a plywood box every night.” – Darryl Zanuck, movie producer, 20th Century Fox, 1946
“If excessive smoking actually plays a role in the production of lung cancer, it seems to be a minor one.” – W.C. Heuper, National Cancer Institute, 1954
“There will never be a bigger plane built.” – A Boeing engineer, after the first flight of the 247, a twin engine plane that holds ten people
“The world potential market for copying machines is 5,000 at most.” – IBM to the eventual founders of Xerox, saying that the photocopier had no market large enough to justify production, 1959
“When the Paris Exhibition closes, electric light will close with it and no more will be heard of it.” – Oxford professor Erasmus Wilson, 1878
Bill Clinton–“I did not have sexual relations with that woman” Ok, I’ll admit he was not actually an expert at much of anything.
The World Health Organization, supposedly the top experts on global health threats, has had to do some big-time walking back as well.
The group in January backed Chinese assertions that there was “no clear evidence” of human-to-human transmission of COVID-19.
If anything, COVID has proved medicine is not a hard science.
I believe that’s why they call it “practicing” medicine…maybe some day they’ll be good enough to stop practicing and just do it.
Being an expert doesn’t mean you’re infallible. The best doctors still lose patients. The best lawyers still lose cases. The best detectives don’t always solve the crime. The best baseball players still strike out. It goes on and on.
Being an expert just means that on average, you’re better than the non-experts at the things you do. And thus in situations like this, probably worth paying attention to.
Just my two cents.
I have an Expert Badge. Perfect score.
Not average…perfect.
Failure is no stranger to me. I have srewed up,
fucked up and failed at a lot of things but my
“Expert” Badge commands respect.
That’s another great example – you’re a better shot than most, and likely could correct others on things relating to shooting more accurately. That absolutely deserves respect. Your qualification, however, comes from a controlled test, not the real world – you can still miss shots in the real world, yet you’ll still be considered an expert, and rightly so. (In fact, you can still miss shots in the test and earn an Expert unless things have changed, no?)
A doctor who aces his boards can still lose a patient, but remains an expert. A lawyer who gets a perfect score on the bar exam can still lose a case, but remain an expert. Expertise doesn’t mean you can’t fail on occasion, but you’re still better than most and deserve being listened to in your area.
“You know what an expert is, don’t you? An expert is a man who knows 47 different ways to make love … but he doesn’t know any girls.” – Garry Moore
Aaaand there it is.
“Dunning-Kruger better applies to idiots that think they know more than the experts.”
Never seen a better fit. You could even say it’s “Taylor-made”.
Bingo. Your ranting here supports exactly that, Commissar.
Case in point: your ridiculous statement that “we could have brought the R0 under zero like other counties have”. That statement is absolutely foolish and wrong – in two different ways.
First: R0 is the value of the reproduction number at time of introduction – e.g., at the time when a new pathogen is introduced to an immunologically-naive population (one that’s never seen the pathogen before and thus has zero herd immunity). Within a given population, the value of R changes as time progresses; after time zero, it’s no longer R0 – it’s R effective (Reff). The media seems to get this wrong all the time, but the media is generally incompetent and ignorant when it comes to scientific matters. However, as usual you’re purporting to lecture us as some kind of self-declared “expert” – so you should be expected to get that right.
Second: by definition, for an infectious disease R0 and Reff CAN NEVER BE NEGATIVE. The reproduction number R at all times (including its t=0 value, R0) is defined as the average number of additional infections caused by each new case. Thus, the lowest the R parameter can ever be is zero – which means you’ve achieved full herd immunity (each new case causes on average zero additional new infections). R going “negative” would imply that new cases somehow magically cancelled existing cases. Ain’t gonna happen.
Again: you’re purporting to lecture as an “expert”. You shouldn’t be making glaring errors like that – but you’ve repeatedly proved previously that math and logic aren’t exactly your strong suits.
Dunning-Kruger, indeed. You really should do a bit of homework and proofreading before waxing ignorant in print here, Commissar.
But wait! Since SARS-cov-2 has produced vast declines in ordinary flu and pneumonia, is that where the negative R originates?
Or, recordkeeping shenanigans….
Being methodically refuted via actual facts by someone who knows substantially more than he does about the topic at hand hasn’t stopped Lars yet.
See here’s the thing you textbook case of Dunning Kruger. I actually studied this shit and take it seriously. You’ll notice I don’t actually always agree with the board here on some topics. That said, you do the same song and dance every time. You cherry pick, Gish Gallop and bloviate hoping no one tries to parse all of it, then you make statements from authority when I wouldn’t task you with running a cash register, nevermind any of the numerous jobs you’ve claimed since starting to lie through your teeth here.
If you were consistent, I’d at least treat you with some dignity. LC actually converses with people and I tend to think he catches more flak than he should, but maybe you should take some notes from him. He reads, COMPREHENDS and discusses far better than you do.
In short? Be a better person. Actually respond to the evidence instead of stomping your feet and shouting “Nu uh”.
Oh my, how embarrassing for our resident know-it-all. Hondo cleans his clock factually and Dead Man dresses him down like he’s an ADHD afflicted adolescent.
Speaking of ADHD, I think Dipshit has related in the past that he has dyslexia–at least he used it as an excuse for his too-frequent grammar and spelling mistakes. It occurred to me recently that there is a strong correlation between dyslexia and ADHD which could certainly explain some of his behavioral aberrations.
Hmm?
I bet your reaction when the President gets reelected is going to be hilarious. I can’t wait.
Again and more of:
The Schadenfreude I got from watching that was so intense it almost gave me a head rush!!! 😀
Always makes me smile.
“woman lets out agonizing screams”
Looks a lot like Patton Oswalt to me.
If he thought he was going to win he would not be floating the idea of postponing it.
Nor would he be working so hard to preemptively discredit the results.
Biden beat him to the punch on that, claiming President Trump would try to steal the election. You must have conveniently overlooked that.
Or, for the price of a tweet, just got the Left to frothingly agree we can hold the election as scheduled. No need to drop all the safeguards and “mail it in” eh?
Oops. You missed the implication, eh?
Oops. Again. Trolled again.
You heard it, people: cower in place. Yawn.
Not what I said.
Bad faith responses like that is all most of you have at this point.
Major Moonbat, IMHO one reason you’re always pissy here is because you expect us to automatically convert to your way of thinking every time you post your cult propaganda!
“If we all took the proper precautions early on we could have brought the R0 under zero like other counties have”
Would that be like when at the end of January, President Trump banned travel from China, and the democrats said it was a racist overreaction, and that we should all go party in Chinatown?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZBFUA0JjFk
https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/079-20/mayor-de-blasio-speaker-johnson-queens-chamber-commerce-encourage-new-yorkers-visit/#/0
He has largely been given credit for that action since then. However, that is pretty much the only action he ever took.
And it was really because it suited his China virus narrative.
One that shifts the blame and responsibility to China.
He squandered an opportunity to be a good leader during a time of crisis.
Because he is incompetent. And is easily narcissistically wounded by experts disagreeing with his narratives.
He also thought he could just ride this out and blame a China in the meantime.
So incompetent a political novice -handily- beat the Clinton Machine, the Media-Democrat Complex, and the Swamp-Insiders of -both- parties.
On his very first try at political office.
And made it look -easy-
If -that- is “incompetence”, that makes you and yours… doorstops.
Which is why your side is frothing with panic.
But, Lars has all the empirical data to show you… how to with the WH and run the country as a socialist/communist utopia… he’ll do it right “this time”.
Still in your Cold War bunker huh?
You keep red scaring yourself into your own delusions.
At no time have I ever advocated a communist utopia.
Nor am I a communist.
And you take the bait… every time.
To add to what 11B-Mailclerk said, he came from a successful business background and mopped the proverbial floor with the scalps of lifelong politicians. Yes, he was given a start by his Dad, but many other “Rich Kids” have had the same and fell flat on their faces while President Trump not only made it bigly as a businessman, he cut himself a swath through what many consider to be the meanest Shark Pool in the world!
You lose yet again, Major moonbat!
He is a one moonbat MAGA / Trump2020 committee to re-elect the President.
“Yes, he was given a start by his Dad, but many other “Rich Kids” have had the same and fell flat on their faces ” You wouldn’t be talking about Hunter Biden would you?
Mmmmyeah, and Hunter Biden made dirty money hand over fist from his Father’s influence peddling!
When he wasn’t trying to snort half of Bolivia up his right nostril…
Oh that’s right, the US and Trumps Army are the ones the spread the virus in China. China is in no way responsible for this outbreak. They have been completely above board on all things COVID-19.
You’re wrong Commiessar.
That’s all.
America! Great words sir!
Nice photo. I would say “lucky guy” but I don’t think luck
is the appropriate word for someone who makes their own life
what they want it to be.
“more people are dying that needs to?” The CDC posts and updates the death and mortality rates in the US daily. In 2017-2019, the AVERAGE mortality rates in the US were appx 2.7 million per YEAR. So far, in 2020, even with EVERYONE dying from Corona, we are still on track for appx…..anyone….2.7 million deaths this year.
Its been proven that a large majority of the fatalities from Covid have one or more comorbidities including but not limited to diabetes, hypertension, obesity, and COPD.
For everyone pushing to wear a mask and calling ME as asshole/granny killer for not wearing a mask. LAST YEAR during flu season, when you stopped at CVS, the gas station, McDonalds, Walmart, the bank, the ABC store, or ANYWHERE ELSE to get something during the peak of cold and flu season and people were dying, did YOU wear a mask? NO? Then STFU.
150,000 people have died from COVID. In a country with a population of 330,000,000. That is a mortality rate of .004%. Its a statistical ANOMALY. From confirmed cases (not counted all the FALSE POSITIVES, ASYMPTOMATIC, and people who flat out already HAD IT AND DIDN’T EVEN KNOW IT)….3.4% mortality rate.
You know what has 100% mortality rate? LIFE….no one makes it out alive.
“Its been proven that a large majority of the fatalities from Covid have one or more comorbidities including but not limited to diabetes, hypertension, obesity, and COPD.”
And guess which Democrat constituencies just happen to have higher rates of involvement with those comorbidities, thus making it politically incorrect to point out that reality without having someone like our very own Comrade Dipshit yelling “RACISS!!!”
And who knows what percentage of that 150,000 died “with” COVID not FROM it. And my (somewhat rhetorical) question is why are they even testing trauma patients for the COVID?
Gotta cook the books to keep the narrative going strong!
And the extra $$$ for treating Wuhan coronavirus patients.
Government money.
SARS-cov-2? More money.
Had it six months ago and fell off a building? Died of it!
Coughed in death rattle from knife fight? Presumptive case.
Nah. No one would ever creatively code a hospital record for more compensation.
Right. So the rules about fraud are suspended for that sweet sweet government COVID money. I bring this up anytime someone asks me “Well why would they inflate the numbers/lie?” Yes, I still find people in my daily life who don’t get it. I gotta stop finding people who live under rocks, or still drink out of juice boxes.
“I gotta stop finding people who live under rocks, or still drink out of juice boxes.” nobunny
Yeah, good luck with that, nobunny. I run into it a lot. They are everywhere.
That fact, dear lady, is what brings me to TAH every day.
Thank you for your drivel, Dr. Seagull. It made for good toilet tissue. Your Jack In the Beanstalk philosophy should be a name for a new brand of suppositories. Yet you leave me confused. When masks first started out as the ultimate Coronavirus inoculation, it was absolutely something to be worn by those already infected, meant to protect the public from the infected when they sneeze or cough. How it morphed into something we ALL need to wear is beyond me. Of course no one on this website has the intellectual clarity on all thing life that you obviously do. Stupid me thinking the spread of the virus has been the result of the infected spreading it simply because they did not wear a mask. Were I your doctor, I’d quickly give you a prescription for diapers to be worn over your entire head 24 hours a day. Furthermore, I’d make certain the public was better protected (and less misinformed) by prescribing for you one of those rubber balls stuffed in the mouth of the BDSM crowd. Poor Herman Cain, had he listened to you, the stage four cancer he had would have never bothered him. Good psychics like you are truly rare.
Early on, most medical professionals expected that spread was from symptomatic people, so if you had any symptoms, you should wear the mask. It morphed into something we all need to wear because the current thinking is that a considerable amount of spread comes from asymptomatic carriers. So if everyone wears a mask, it reduces transmission by people who may not know they carry it.
Wrong masks. Worn wrong. Worn too long. Touched wrong.
Placebo, at best. Anti-placebo most likely: through belief make it worse.
Most masks reduce the risk of spread if worn over the mouth and nose.
There are ways to make it more effective. And ways to make it fit better. And some designs are much more effective than others…
But if you cover your mouth and nose with a mask you reduce your risk to others and reduce risk to yourself.
I have no idea where you are putting the mask that has you convinced it does nothing, but you are far outlier level of stupid so it is possible you are putting it somewhere that has no impact on your risk of being exposed to the virus or exposing others.
If one works in a Class 10 or better cleanroom, one learns what it takes to prevent humans from launching sub-micron particles.
Honkin goobers isn’t the problem. It’s the little bastards that get shed that make this one so easily spread. Touching that all-day infected cheapo just spreads shit around.
So lecture again on a subject where you lack years of pro experience.
Gad-zooks you are ignorant.
If you’re getting the wrong masks, and wearing them wrong, and too late, and touching them, that’s on you – around here, most people do things correctly.
It’s also pretty amazing how other countries with a higher percentage of people wearing masks have fared so much better. That’s one heck of a placebo.
What fantastic land of make believe do you live in? I happened to go to the hospital today. I saw at least one nurse walking around with her mask on her chin.
I then had to wait for my prescription at Sam’s Club. So did some people watching. About half the masks were being worn improperly or ineffectively. Since nobody can understand each other with these things on, the first thing any two people in close proximity do is talk louder (but no less clearly), then they take the mask off/down, and at the same elevated volume (with resultant increased spittle and air volume) finally get their message across.
At least one..out of how many you saw? Five? That would, in fact, be most, then, doing things correctly.
And no, where I am, when people wear masks -and it’s not always necessary, like if I’m going for a walk and avoiding others- the majority I see all wear it correctly, covering their mouth and nose, and again, most people don’t do stupid things like pull them down to talk. I have seen it happen, but it’s the exception, not the rule.
I’ve also seen extremes; a crazy person screaming at others for not wearing a mask while not wearing one herself, and not too far from here, someone got shot because they asked a customer to wear a mask. But, for the most part, people are being relatively smart.
Less than one percent I observe would be admitted to the class 100 portion of the cleanroom where I worked. The others would all bolo check in
Wrong masks. Worn wrong. Etc.
Is it well form-fitting and noticeably resistant to breathing? That is the -start- point to stop sub-micron stuff like SARS-cov-2.
Not either? Not working.
We aren’t trying to enact cleanroom-level standards here, though.
It’s a bit more like body armor in a fire fight. Wearing none offers no protection. Wearing your full kit offers a good amount. And it’s a pretty linear line between the two. It’s not all-or-nothing.
Also, it’s worth pointing out that the virus expelled by a sick person from talking, coughing, etc., is typically bound to aerosol particles much large than the virus itself, which is why masks can work to reduce viral spread even on a sub-micron pathogen.
A mask stops sub micron particles or it doesn’t. Also, how long it does is limited.
Doesn’t matter if it’s in a classroom or Wal-Mart. Wrong mask won’t stop shed virii. Worn wrong won’t stop shed virii. Touch it wrong releases virii.
Is the mask -snugly- form-fitting or not? Restrictive of breathing, both directions, or not? Rated for deep sub-micron, or not?
If not, it is a virus placebo.
First, it doesn’t need to stop sub-micron particles if those particles are bound to super-micron aerosols. Second, masks aren’t all-or-nothing – the ’95’ designator means it filters 95% of airborne particles.
But again, if you insist these are so woefully ineffective, how do you explain how other countries have done so much better, and why that correlates so well with the percentage of people who wore masks? Or for that matter why doctors wear them for other contagions of they don’t stop viral transmission?
You seem to want some magical shield, and I’ll again go back to the body armor example. Would you rather be in a firefight wearing something that provides some protection, or nothing, since ‘some’ protection is apparently a placebo?
I see you’ve been watching Nadler’s hearings too.
So, Dave, of all the scary dangerous things that you have done, would it be safe to say that the MOST scary and dangerous thing was Tricky Trotting down that Aisle towards Marital Bliss with the Soviet? You know, she coulda said “I Don’t!”
Never crossed my mind, who could say no to me?
I admire your confidence, Dave. Anytime I look in the mirror, I think of my lovely wife and wonder “What the hell was she thinking?” Not that I’m complaining!
Hooah!! (“Oorah!!” in Marine.)
So, were you packing the .25 Beretta with a taped “skeleton” grip, or was it the Walther PPK? … In the chamois shoulder holster?
Certainly could have been the final scene in From Russia With Love with the gorgeous Corporal Tatiana Romanova. IF Ian Fleming went that route.
Well said, Sergeant Hardin. It has been my long observation that those of a leftist bent have an innate need for dark things to make them fearful.
Which is why for them life is one long series of life-threatening crises with a new, ever more sensational crisis cropping up as soon as another silly fear is debunked.
It must be a sad way to live.
And in spite of their propensity to deny us freedom of speech, I agree with your non-banning position.
And lastly, life is much better shared with a beautiful woman–something I have been fortunate enough, like you, to know.
How’s that for a juxtapositioning of thoughts?
Airborne and Semper Fi!
HAHAHAHA,
You are the Wordsmith, I am but a humble Jarhead.
” I am but a humble Jarhead.”
No offense, but I had no idea there was such a thing…
I should have said, “Humble Jarhead and Proud American”
I tried to juxtapose with Poetrooper once a long time ago.
Strained a phalange and about lost my ampersand key.
Yeah, somehow I see jousting with Poe kinda like tilting at windmills. You’re never gonna win, and most likely come off looking like a fool…
Mrs. Hardin is stunningly beautiful.
This is why I have kept reading, for years. This is a great website, made so by great people.
Excellent post, Dave!
Sees Commie-sars long drawnout screed…
EDIT: Removed a post I’d made in poor taste.
-Mason
Considering that a mask is intended to prevent infiltration or exfiltration of particles measured in microns and a virus spore is considerably smaller the analogy is using a chain link fence as a wind break.
Stop birdshot with hog wire.
Or expecting All-Points Logistics to deliver a solid product on a taxpayer-funded contract.
Like putting a chain link fence up to keep mosquitoes and gnats out!
Doctors have been using masks for ages and they work, yet all viruses I know of are smaller than the micron scale. However, since they’re typically aerosolized in our system, the bound particles they’re attached to are, in fact, filtered by various types of masks:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/11/fact-check-n-95-filters-not-too-large-stop-covid-19-particles/5343537002/
LOL…I love it when Narcissist lefty’s fly off the Reservation…
“…the analogy is using a chain link fence as a wind break.”
I believe there are liberals who would do that…
Some of them sound very much like a long wind break.
If Clinton were President, we would never have done none of this shit. OUT!
OMG. I can’t believe I missed this fight!!!
You do realize that we have 55,000 dyeing every month from Old Age and Disease’s. Now that we have Covid-19 those numbers have disappeared. The pay is better for the Hospitals, and the Drug Companies!
” I joined with a guarantee that….”
LOL.
I though I joined with a guarantee, too. I think the recruiting Sergeant’s name was Moore. I have a few questions for him. Got my towel and bucket of water ready.