Idiots in the gun control debate
Yeah, I’ve read some real stupid shit in teh interwebz today in regards to gun control, but this one just deserved a public answer. It’s from some shithole called Balloon Juice written by a guy named John Cole who explains that he was supposedly in the 11th ACR stationed at Camp Doha between the wars with Iraq;
So why am I telling you this? Because in the middle of one of the most dangerous regions in the world, even with clear Rules of Engagement, every time I went on gate duty, there was a piece of tape over my ammo clip on my M-16 and M1911 .45. Why? Because the most heavily armed military in the world did not want accidental shootings. If a situation arose, I would have to eject my ammo clip, remove the tape, and reinsert and work the action before I could fire.
This was in a combat zone. Yet I have spent the last two fucking days dealing with armchair commandos telling me they need unlimited firepower to be safe in… Connecticut.
If there are bigger pussies in the world than gun nuts, I don’t know who the fuck they are.
So, because he was such an incompetent boob that he needed to have his ammo taped in his magazine, gun nuts are pussies – yeah, I don’t see the connection either. Besides, he calls them “ammo clips” – who, with more than a day in the Army, calls box magazines “ammo clips”? So, I’m thinking that John Cole was a cook, or anything except someone his unit would allow to guard something. And, I’m pretty sure that between the Iraq Wars, the Army was using 9mm Barettas and not the M1911A1 .45 cal pistol.
And the reason any magazines were taped wasn’t to prevent the ammunition from loading. The Army did that when ammunition was passed between guard shifts for accountability. But, of course, any dingus who thought they’re called “ammo clips” wouldn’t know that.
So why do I call Balloon Juice a shit hole? Because all of their writers are gun grabbing facists, apparently. They write shit like this;
Bernard Finel: If it were in my power, I’d seize every fucking firearm in the country other than revolvers, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles and melt them all down.
mistermix: If you must own an AR-15 or Bushmaster or AK-47, it should stay locked in your personal gun cabinet at the range, never to leave. If you change ranges, a bonded courier can take it to the new one. The same is true of the high-capacity clips for your Glock, your 100-round drum magazines, and all the other expensive toys that let you bang off a couple of dozen rounds in a minute. Yeah, that’s expensive and a nuisance. So are the laws surrounding other potentially unsafe pursuits.
Mistermix, my Glock uses high capacity magazines, not clips. The ammunition for my M4 is in clips until I put the bullets in the magazine. If you’re going to talk the language of gun control, learn the language of guns first.
After posting the Wikipedia entry for events leading up to the UK’s gun ban, Imani Gandy (ABL) posts this;
Am I suggesting that we ban handguns? No, not really. I am suggesting we have a sensible discussion about gun-control laws that leads to, as President Obama put it, meaningful action.
If you weren’t suggesting that we ban guns, why did you have to tell us that the UK banned guns because of an incident somewhat similar to Sandy Hook? Every leftist gun grabbing fascist on the internet is talking about “a sensible discussion”, but their discussion of a sensible discussion is senseless.
Category: Gun Grabbing Fascists
Damn child molester. I hope he uses the same screen name at other sites so they’ll know too!
Wow there are a lot of small penises here.
Yes, showing all that you think the debate is REALLY about how expert you are at terminology, totally shows you have the right priority.
As for John Cole, IT’S A CONSPIRACY!
@551: Stop wetting your diaper, nancy, no one wants to shoot you. Of course, being the drama queen that you are, I could understand your stupid retort.
@551 You are entirely too obsessed with others’ lives. I plan to continue to ridicule you and laugh at you and then leave this site and promptly forget about you. You are interchangable. I can get the same tired unintelligible diatribe be going to any leftist site like KOS and Huffington. YOU would only be unique if you could intelligently back up your position without ranting and raving about someone you know nothing about because they disagree politically with you. MEH!
So, is that it? The John Cole Club hates men and sees guns as male genitalia? Is that what this is really all about, penis envy? Pedophiliac dentist and radical fems. Great.
@ 557 Apparently guns are phallic and are for those of us who are overcompensating.. Oh how I wish I had a penis, I would whip it out for a measure test. 🙂
Zapruder F. Mashtots, D.D.S. is a pedophiliac.
There, that should help Googlers in the future.
@551: Also, we don’t flash our guns around. We prefer to carry concealed and are licensed to do so. With your lack of education on the subject, I guess I will have to give you the condensed version of why your rant is stupid. First off; none of us want to shoot anyone. Second; if we were to “wave our gun around”, we would be committing a crime. It’s called aggravated assault. Third; since we really don’t fit your childish narrative, I understand why you resort to infantile examples as a way to validate said childish narrative.
Did you even watch the clip you linked to? The guy was smart enough not to shoot since he was worried about hitting somebody else. He says the shooter saw him and that’s why he shot himself. I don’t get why he’d do that; he isn’t any less dead just because he shot himself. If this is the best you can find, then keep looking.
it has come to my attention that some criminals have hand grenades,
The only way to protect society from these grenade-wielding criminals is if ordinary, law-abiding citizens like ME are allowed to carry hand grenades, too!
Because whand grenades are outlawed, only outlaws can carry hand grenades!
Many studies by noted conservatIves PROVE that we would ALL be far, far safer if EVERYONE were allowed to carry hand grenades.
What’s more, conservative scholars have also PROVED that there should be NO restrictions against people accessing hand grenades just because they, or a close family member, has mental issues.
sure, a few people might accidentally die from injuries sustained by hand grenades, but this is a necessary part of ensuring our freedom.
The Founders surely intended that ALL Americans would have the right to carry hand grenades, under any circumstances!
Anyone who attempts to deny this is a freedom-hatin’ liberal socialist commie!
OT: You have the patience of Job. I’m done with these screeching, irrational twits.
@554: Why don’t you take a reading comprehension course and then get back to us. Many have offered up sound, common sense logic coupled with facts and statistics, yet that isn’t good enough, because it shows you lose the argument from the start, so you resort to talk of genitalia in order to make yourself feel better while you hug your Hello Kitty blanket and suck your thumb.
And what’s with the sudden obsession with pedophilia? You people sure are weird.
“it has come to my attention that some criminals have hand grenades,” Well, well, well, it’s no caps under a new screen name tonight. If you know a criminal with a live hand grenade, stupid, call 9-1-1 right now!
@562
There was so much straw in your post, you could make a scarecrow..Just sayin…
And for the record, I don’t suck my thumb while sleeping under my Hello Kitty blanket. Just, you know, F.Y.I…
@565. Are you in treatment at a clinic? I don’t care for child molesters, bud, but I am concerned about the kids. Too bad no one cared enough to have a gun at the school when the murderer showed up. Or was that because the libs felt having a gun for protection was just not politically correct? Damn child molester.
@568. No, you dream of sucking on something else, you SOB.
So, did that other idiot call 9-1-1 yet?
@561: The point is, he saw a citizen closing on him with a weapon and stopped his attack and ended it. It doesn’t matter that he didn’t fire at the shooter, it showed that he has control and restraint. That you don’t understand that more people are alive today, because of the actions of an armed citizen, then you need more help than anyone can give you.
Answer me a question anti-gun nuts. How would an assault weapon ban have stopped the school shooting? You all do know that Connecticut HAS an active assault weapon ban and the Bushmaster was legal under that ban.
@538
You see Ranger I used the term automatic weapons for a reason. I know that they are heavily regulated, and that is exactly my point. If you think there is no problem with the availability of high capacity magazines, which seem to serve no purpose for the average gun owner, then you must believe that automatic weapons should be available to everyone as well. And perhaps you do. What I’m saying is that society’s safety overrides the average gun owner’s right to have certain guns, or accessories available to them.
Thus the argument is about where to draw the line. Because as far as the 2nd amendment is concerned, and it’s statement regarding the right to bear arms, not just guns, including the most up to date weaponry, we have already drawn lines.
Your argument that the gun confiscators just want to start with the high capacity mags then slippery slope blah, blah, blah, may well be true, but it doesn’t mean that we can’t have any regs at all does it? Is it your argument that because some people want to get rid of all guns, then we can’t have any reasonable restrictions on what is available?
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-newtown-assault-weapons-20121217,0,7777142.story
“The term ‘assault weapon,’ as used by the media, is a media invention,” said Robert Crook, executive director of the Coalition of Connecticut Sportsmen. “These are semi-automatic firearms that have military cosmetic characteristics. They look like our military firearms, but they’re not.”
Connecticut has an assault-weapons ban, modeled after a federal law that was enacted in 1994 before expiring a decade later. But it takes more than a dark fiberglass body and a menacing shape to fall under the ban.
The Connecticut law restricts semi-automatic rifles — those capable of firing a bullet with each pull of the trigger — only if they include a detachable magazine as well as at least two of five specific features. One of those features — a pistol grip — is ubiquitous on military-style weapons. But to be banned, an AR-15-style rifle would also need to include a folding or telescoping stock, a bayonet mount, a grenade launcher or a flash suppressor, a device typically screwed on to the end of the muzzle to limit the bright flash caused by gunpowder that ignites outside of the muzzle.”
Uh oh, I fear you might have lost some of your best Democratic cover. Joe Manchin looks like he might be ready to sign onto some kind of gun control bill. Oh, but he talked about deer hunting with three shells in his clip, so clearly he’s a lying liar who’s never even laid eyes on a gun, much less shot one at a deer.
http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2012/12/sen-manchin-time-to-act-on-gun-control.html?ml=vi_2
@576 And AGAIN the Bushmaster would have been legal under the last federal assault weapon ban. Connecticut’s own ban was stylized after it..
Seriously, what’s with the child molester stuff? I don’t get it. I think you’re assholes and sociopaths, but “child molester” just isn’t the first thing my mind runs to. I’m genuinely curious, what’s your particular pathology?
Hey, Dr. Molester, no one gives a rat’s ass about what you have to say. You’re not here to discuss anything at all. You like to play games. Okay, play.
@538
Nik, I appreciated your gentle ribbing. Yes, the split infinitive was the only intentional grammar error. All further instances were not.
Not really on board with equating collectibles with the legal horizon of armaments, but I see where you were going.
“If someone is going to claim to be a high-speed low-drag badass”
I just didn’t see where Cole was doing that. The post in question seemed to me to be a juxtaposition of a culture where guns were truly necessary tools (Cole’s army experience) and one where they are simultaneously much more and much less (civil society). My job and expertise (such as it is) is statistics, but I wouldn’t try to demean my opponent in argument about the distinction between uniform and normal distribution unless it were actually disqualifying to her larger point.
“If you’re defending your home, don’t you want access to the best weapon you can (legally) have?”
My inclination is no (or sort of no). The only weapons I personally am considering are first a sturdy revolver, such that I can put it in a drawer for 15 years with a decent chance of it successfully firing in the event I hope never happens. Second, a pump action shotgun, such that the sound of the slide action can convince an intruder that his best prospects are elsewhere. What weapons are held by those who would harm me are almost entirely orthogonal (sorry) to that decision.
P.S.: For fun, this time with extra split infinitives!
@569: “Gun Free Zones” should be renamed “Victim Marshaling Area”. The evidence bears this out. Why did the chucklehead in Aurora go to a theater further from his apartment? Because he knew it was a “gun free zone”. Why such a loss of life at Virginia Tech? Because it was a “gun free zone”. Same thing at the elementary school. The Pearl Mississippi school shooting went like this:
The incident began on the morning of October 1, 1997 when Luke Woodham fatally stabbed and bludgeoned his mother, Mary Woodham, as she prepared for a morning jog. At his trial, Woodham claimed that he could not remember killing his mother.
Woodham drove his mother’s car to Pearl High School. Wearing an orange jumpsuit and a trenchcoat,[1] he made no attempt to hide his rifle. When he entered the school, he fatally shot Lydia Kaye Dew and Christina Menefee, his former girlfriend. Pearl High School assistant band director, Jeff Cannon, was standing five feet away from Dew when she was fatally shot. Woodham went on to wound seven others before leaving, intending to drive off campus and conduct another shooting at the nearby Pearl Junior High School. However, assistant principal Joel Myrick had retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother’s car. Then Myrick demanded “Why did you shoot my kids?” to which Woodham replied, “Life has wronged me, sir.”
Yep, the asst. Principal went and got himself armed and stopped anyone else from being killed.
Zapruder F. Mashtots, D.D.S. : You really DON’T get it do you, you piece of crud? Maybe if you stopped and gave it some thought, you would reach a correct conclusion. Play on.
Hey, Zapruder was a famous film photog, and mashtots is a pedophile, maybe he films his pedophilia?
Actually, Zapruder probably OD’d on N20, and removed his own cojones via root canal. Now he sees male genitalia in all his dreams. Or, are they dreams?
And if the damned gun would have been lawful to carry, then maybe that ban wasn’t a broad enough ban. I know, I’m a fascist-nazi-bolshevik-commie-pinko li’l Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot for even thinking such a thing.
>>And if the damned gun would have been lawful to carry, then maybe that ban wasn’t a broad enough ban. I know, I’m a fascist-nazi-bolshevik-commie-pinko li’l Hitler/Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot for even thinking such a thing.>>
Well at least you admit that your for an all out ban that wouldn’t require amending the BOR. Sounds kind of fascist to me. Give you two guesses what one of the first thing the Nazi party did to the populace when it got in power. The first two don’t count..
mere mortal: Congratulations. You made a reasonable statement of position with which a rational response can be offered. Why do you associate yourself with the ill-tempered and vulgar lot you’ve thrown in with?
Actually, Mesrop Mashtots wasn’t a pedophile. Thanks for playing, though. Good show!
@587. Dr. Pedophile: You admitted to not getting it a few minutes ago. You still do not get it. Your playtime is ended.
mere mortal-in all seriousness get the pump action and a “less lethal” round for the first round in the slide with the rest being buckshot or what have you. That way, you work the action and you have a bean bag or OC round ready to go. If you shoot someone by accident then you probably won’t kill them and if you need to elevate to lethal force then all you have to do is work the slide.
melle1228
I think you are missing the point. The argument isn’t about this particular massacre. You’re right that even the assault weapons ban wouldn’t have stopped it.
The question is; are there common sense laws and regulations that can be enacted that limits the danger to society from different type of weaponry? Regulations that don’t critically infringe upon it’s citizen’s rights to use their guns in a practical manner. Do some weapons have no practical use other than to kill large volumes of people, and if so isn’t it reasonable to regulate such weaponry?
@580
I could have said “If someone is going to purport to have a profession that uses the tools of violence…”, it doesn’t change the argument any.
Most of what comes through this site actually doesn’t have much to do with guns. It has to with Stolen Valor and this site sees a lot of it. So, when people are using the wrong terms, or are using terms incorrectly it gets attention.
I imagine there are sites out there that talk about the greatness of great statisticians. I also imagine there are some pretenders on those sites. Then they’re talking about something about statistics and get the terms median and mean used incorrectly. This becomes a habit of getting those terms mixed up. Wouldn’t you initially think people who use median and mean incorrectly don’t know as much about statistics as they claim? And that their other claims are suspect as a result of that doubt?
Okay, that’s another literate and rational questioner. Of course, those screen names are easy to change. Can we have an IP look-see to determine whether this is a circle jerk, the same couple of people, or actually different addresses?
@589
Thanks for the advice. My plan will probably be to have a dummy for the first, so I could do two jobs at once. First, avoid death or injury for any fool who finds the thing and pulls the trigger. Second, if the plan is to make the pump the “warning shot”, the first round don’t matter anyway.
But thanks nonetheless, and as I said previously, I have many friends who can also advise me on the particulars.
@590
The problem is not the weapon. That is a tool. The problem is mental illness. If you don’t actually deal with the systemic problem; then the problem still exists. It is like giving homeless people homes without dealing with addiction and mental illness. Most will be back on the streets within a year.
Short of opening up medical records; you can’t legislate crazy or stupid. And ALL massacres that have happened could very well been carried out by someone with handguns. You can go for an all out ban, but we live in too open a society and all out bans on illegal immigration and drugs have worked wonders, haven’t they?
Passing widespread regulation because of a few bad apples are overkill. Why don’t you take of the bad apples and leave the rest alone? Wouldn’t that be more productive, reasonable, and realistic?
I’m with 2-17 Air Cav. Way too much rationality going on here. Something’s up.
Zapruder F. Tatertots, DDS – you’re a sad, strange little man, and I pity you. Farewell.
@591
“Most of what comes through this site actually doesn’t have much to do with guns. It has to with Stolen Valor and this site sees a lot of it. So, when people are using the wrong terms, or are using terms incorrectly it gets attention.
I imagine there are sites out there that talk about the greatness of great statisticians. I also imagine there are some pretenders on those sites. Then they’re talking about something about statistics and get the terms median and mean used incorrectly. This becomes a habit of getting those terms mixed up. Wouldn’t you initially think people who use median and mean incorrectly don’t know as much about statistics as they claim? And that their other claims are suspect as a result of that doubt?”
This would be a good argument, but it is not on point. The original poster referred to Cole’s post on Cole’s site, talking to Cole’s audience. Not Cole posting here among those with relevant expertise, or about a post on Cole’s site referring to this weblog in any way.
And yeah, “but what is the median” is one of my most-used phrases.
It couldn’t possibly be that some of Cole’s Fan Club are interested in rational discussion. Cole will be so disppointed. He pointed them here to spew their pap and do some serious name calling. He’ll be crushed.
No, Mesrop Mastoc was a saint, and you’re not. But you are a counterfeit using the DDS sig after your name, which implies that you are a dentist, and which you say you are not. Ergo, counterfeiter.
You attach the name of an Armenian saint to yourself, implying that you are both Armenian and a saint, and then follow up by saying that you are neither, so you have engaged in another counterfeit.
Since dentists have been associated with patient abuse in some parts of the country, and everything else about you is a lie, when you say YOU are not a pedo, no one is going to believe you, especially when you’ve made so many references to male genitals that you made some of the people here wonder what the hell is wrong with you.
By creating all that online babble, you’ve practically indicted yourself.
@597
Yes. And I put it out there wrong. The analogy would have been better if you saw (and maybe you do) a lot of papers and websites out there where the math is just BS and a common theme among them is the median vs mean thing.
Then when you run across one of these sites, you see another mean vs median “problem”. Wouldn’t you at least be suspicious over such a basic error and the authenticity of the site’s claims?
@597 And it couldn’t possible that Cole incited a response by saying this:
>>>If there are bigger pussies in the world than gun nuts, I don’t know who the fuck they are.>>
The concealed carry guy who “stopped a massacre in Portland”? Didn’t make eye-contact w/the shooter. As far as we know, the shooter never saw him. The guy in Seattle who killed 5 people in May at Cafe Racer? Concealed carry. The guy in FL last month who killed a kid for smarting off and playing music too loud? Concealed carry. The guy in AZ who almost killed the guy who disarmed Jared Loughner? Concealed carry.