Glen Fleming; phony WWII aircrewman

| January 7, 2014

Ass Toes Glen Fleming

We got this tip through Mary from renowned author of World War II Naval Aviation books, Barrett Tillman. It’s about Glen Fleming who did an interview with his local journalist, Matt Fritz at the Herald Argus. From a journalist point-of-view, it’s a great story, but from an historian’s point of view, not so much;

A day before the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, the Japanese military put a 40 mm anti-aircraft round through the plane of Navy fighter pilot Glen Fleming.

Flying back from a bombing mission over Tokyo Bay on Aug. 5, 1945, he thought the worst was over. The Japanese air fleet had long since been devastated by the American military, and all Fleming had to worry about were ground forces and the enemy ships gathering around the bay.

Before he left, he dropped bombs from his converted torpedo plane, known as a “rocket bomber,” to cause damage to a cruiser and a destroyer, and he sank at least two submarines using his plane’s rockets.

But through the battle the war veteran hadn’t considered a building he passed uneventfully on his way to the fray. But either the Japanese moved guns into the edifice during the conflict, or else he flew too close upon leaving, because they hit him. And he was done for.

The round blew a hole through the bottom of his plane and took the front portion of his right foot with it. It also filled his leg full of shrapnel. But worse was the damage it did to his right fuel tank. Emergency lights went on and he knew the tank had ruptured. He had only minutes to land.

Beneath him was water.

[…]

Growing up in Valparaiso before the United States entered the fray, he said talk of war was already in the air by 1938 and the Navy had posted signs, backed up by radio and newspaper ads, encouraging young men to join the Combat Air Corps (CAC).

Fleming said the CAC was an accelerated fighter pilot course designed to allow recruits to sidestep the Naval Academy and become pilots to fill a perceived shortage in the military.

The prospect of being a fighter pilot interested him, and his uncle, a World War I veteran, encouraged him.

“He told me there was a war coming up and if I joined now I could pick what I wanted to get into,” Fleming said. “If I got drafted, they would put me wherever they wanted me. If I joined, I would have a decent place to sleep instead of a foxhole somewhere.”

He joined Jan. 1, 1939, at 23 years of age.

After his plane went down on Aug. 5, 1945, he found himself resting on a raft, floating about 30 miles off the coast of Japan. He managed to land the plane without casualty on open water. It was a calm day. He said his turret gunner had put a tourniquet over his leg to stop the bleeding, along with sulfa powder to stop infection and a shot of morphine to decrease the pain.

The turret gunner, along with the tail gunner, had also inflated the raft and pulled Fleming onto it, along with medicine, weapons and fishing equipment, and pushed them off. The plane went under about 12 minutes later.

“I’m glad I had them with me,” Fleming said about his crew, “because I never would have gotten out without them.”

And there they drifted in the ocean. Fleming said they were without any radio, and he couldn’t see any fish in the water to catch. The two fighter planes that accompanied his bomber during battle had long since deserted him to refuel. Fleming and his crew were alone. His plane had vanished and he would never fly one again in war.

The first plane Fleming flew into combat was a Douglas SBD Dauntless Dive Bomber, which he used in the Battle of the Coral Sea in 1942. Onboard the aircraft carrier “Enterprise,” Fleming had been given the choice of flying a dive bomber or a torpedo plane. He knew torpedo planes were particularly dangerous to fly because they had to drop their cargo no more than 300 feet above the water to prevent the torpedo from rupturing, and within 300 yards of the destination ship, so the target couldn’t escape. The planes were often shot down.

His choice was easy.

The dive bomber was equipped with a cowl gun that fired rounds between the arch of the propeller blades. He shot down two enemy planes in the fight.

Fleming then graduated to a Grumman F4F Wildcat and, in June of 1942, was ushered into the Battle of Midway. He said it was a harsh day. Planes filled the sky and he still remembers the sound of bullets hitting his craft. He finished the battle with 28 holes in his plane, and said he was lucky to get out alive. But he was proud of his involvement.

“That was the decisive battle of the war as far as I’m concerned,” he said, pointing out that the Americans had devastated the Japanese carrier fleet by the end of it.

After the Battle of Midway, Fleming got a Grumman F6F Hellcat, which he flew in the Battle of Iwo Jima. He said the plane’s arrival was a particularly memorable one for him because it was flown by an attractive young lady. Her name was Emmabelle. She would later become his wife.

But that would be several years, and many battles, later — battles that allowed him to shoot down a total of seven planes.

“And I know I got nine,” he said, “but I can’t claim the other two because my gun camera malfunctioned. Five of them were Japanese Zero fighters (Mitsubishi A6M Zeros) and two were torpedo planes.”

He pointed out that hits had to be confirmed by camera.

The rocket bomber plane he flew at the end of the war, the one that sank in the Pacific, was equipped with two 500-pound bombs in the torpedo bay, and eight five-inch diameter rockets.

After it went down with the fishes, Fleming and his crew floated for some five and a half hours, wondering what would happen next. Then an American submarine surfaced. They were saved.

Fleming was brought onboard the craft and a corpsman tended to his wounds and gave him more medicine and morphine, later transferring him to an aircraft carrier. Eventually he wound up at the hospital in Pearl Harbor.

The doctor there took 28 pieces of shrapnel out of his right leg and left two behind as souvenirs, telling Fleming they were buried too deep to do him any harm.

But Fleming had other worries.

“(The anti-aircraft gun) took all my toes off, but my little toe,” he said. “The doctors took a piece of my butt and put it in place of my big toe so I had balance.”

He was then transferred to a hospital in California, and then to one in Chicago, where he was eventually discharged. Emmabelle lived just south of Plymouth, so they married and moved to La Porte. She has since passed away. Fleming ran Holderbaum Auto Service for 47 years.

Fleming said he has developed pains in his leg recently due to the shrapnel pieces moving against the bone. So every couple months doctors move them back with a magnet.

But despite his years, and his injuries, Fleming still flies. Sort of. Due to some connections he has with the Navy, he’s participated in flights onboard an F-14 Tomcat from the Grissom Air Reserve Base in Indiana to an aircraft carrier off the coast of California. He said the pilot sometimes lets him take over the controls during the flight.

“The plane is a lot faster than my old plane was,” he said. “It can break the sound barrier.”

So the dude has ass-toes, huh? I’m sure the ladies like that.

I don’t usually C&P an entire article, but when Mr Fritz ever gets around to reading the email that Mr. Tillman sent him, the article might go down the black hole of journalistic fail. Here’s Mr. Tillman’s email, because he has a better grasp of the subject than me;

Dear Mr. Fritz,

You–and your readers–have been had. Nearly all of the claims in your article can be [disproved] if anyone takes a few minutes to check. It’s called The Information Age for a reason.

I’m a professional author with 600+ articles and c. 35 nonfiction books published, most dealing with naval and aviation subjects. I’ve received half a dozen awards for history and literature–you can check my website for my credentials.

Fleming has been telling his fairy tales for several years so, if it matters, you’re not the first naive victim.

Fleming’s major bogus claims (there are others) in approximate order:

There is/was no such thing as the Combat Air Corps. What an absurd statement, unless Fleming got his medals from the whimsical Renegade Navy web site.

His photo with the I-Love-Me box shows combat aircrew wings above the Purple Heart. Aircrewmen were gunners and radiomen in multi-seat naval aircraft. BTW, the box also contains Naval Flight Officer wings (non-pilot officers), a rating established c. 1966–roughly 20 years after Fleming says he left the navy. The box also contains two Marine Corps marksmanship badges. (Incidentally, most of the gongs and awards he shows can be purchased at surplus stores. The medal with the red-white-blue ribbon looks suspiciously like one I earned as a Boy Scout.)

His claim of reporting aboard a carrier and being asked what plane he wanted to fly is ridiculous. Pilots first went through operational training in a particular aircraft, then went to the fleet to fly THAT airplane. They didn’t get to pick and choose once aboard ship!

Fleming claims he was aboard USS Enterprise at the Coral Sea battle. Batguano. Enterprise was nowhere near Coral Sea in May 1942. I know because (1) it’s my job to know and (2) my most recent book was the definitive history of The Big E.

Fleming claims he went from SBDs at Coral Sea to F4Fs at Midway a month later. More BS. There was no time to transition, and every USN fighter pilot in combat in 1942 is known. None were named Fleming.

The lapse between Midway and Iwo Jima was over 2 1/2 years. What was our hero doing in that time?

Fleming claims he shot down seven (or nine, or whatever) japanese airplanes. Even more BS. I’m former secretary of the American Fighter Aces Assn, and there are about 112 living US aces. None are named Glen Fleming. Moreover, nobody of that name was credited with even one aerial victory in WW II, in the navy, marines, or army air forces. I have alerted AFAA about your publishing Fleming’s fraudulent claim.

You do not tell us which carrier Fleming allegedly flew from when his Avenger allegedly was shot down. But I have a full list of TBF-TBM losses (I wrote a book about Avengers), and there was one such loss on 5 August 45. The pilot’s name is not given but I know the squadron and carrier. Ask Fleming to provide details.

Finally, here’s the biggest howler: Fleming claims that he used to ride US Navy F-14s from an Air Force base in Indiana to the Pacific Coast to land aboard carriers. That in itself is absurd–it’s astonishing that anybody believes him. But he gilds the lily by saying he was “allowed to take the controls.” Well, sir, here’s a flash: THERE WERE NO BACK SEAT CONTROLS IN A TOMCAT. (Maybe he saw that episode in the JAG TV series!) Furthermore, USN F-14s were retired in 2006, and I’m vastly skeptical that he has that kind of influence in Iran.

Some questions for your consideration, and your editors:

What is Fleming’s naval aviator number and what’s the date?
Did he show you his pilot logbook?
Did he show you citations for his alleged medals?
Did he identify the squadrons in which he allegedly served?
Did he show you alleged photos of himself allegedly in WW II?
Did he show you his DD-214 or Bureau of Naval Personnel honorable discharge form?

In short, it’s conceivable that Fleming flew (or flew in) Avengers in 1945. It is not remotely possible that his other claims are true. You definitely owe your readers a retraction and correction, and you probably owe an apology to every man who wore wings of gold in the Second World War.

For what it’s worth, I have a journalism degree, and I don’t go looking for phony heroes to expose (there are web sites devoted to that purpose). But when self-aggrandizing fakes like Fleming cross my bow, I expose them. In recent years I’ve informed two newspapers of such problems. One editor verified my information and printed a full retraction. The other refused, preferring to remain a cheerleader rather than a journalist.

Which kind of newspaper is the Herald-Argus?

To top it all off, we have Fleming’s FOIA which says that he joined the Navy in 1943 and was discharged in 1945. I’m thinking 1943 is after 1939 when he says he joined. I might be mistaken, but his assignments are all on land, until he was on the USS Kula Gulf which wasn’t commissioned until May 1945 and didn’t depart San Diego until August 5th, the same day Fleming says he was shot down after a bombing run over Japan.
The USS Kula Gulf shuttled planes around the islands from September to November until it brought home some veterans of the fighting in December when Fleming was also discharged.

Glen Fleming FOIA

But the fact remains that he wasn’t a pilot, he wasn’t an officer, and it doesn’t look like he saw any Japanese until after the war. And, I’m guessing that he doesn’t really have ass-toes.

You can contact Mr. Fritz at mfritz[at]heraldargus[dot]com and urge him to retract his story.

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Mike Kozlowski

…It would have taken minutes – if THAT long – to verify (or not) everything in that story. I’d love to hear the reporter’s excuses for not doing so.

Mike

2/17 Air Cav

Fleming wrapped dog shit in grape leaves and the ‘reporter’ ate every bite.

AW1 Tim

He was an Aviation Ordnanceman 2nd Class. That made him an E-5, a guy who supervises loading of ordnance aboard aircraft, as well as cleaning, repairing and maintaining aircraft weapon systems.

Then, he was tyrained and certified to operate airborne radar systems. THAT meant he had to volunteer for duty involving flight, go through the quals and school, then be checked out in whatever squadron he was assigned to. That job was a top-flight job and not very many folks got to do it, as Navy airborne radar systems were in their infancy.

In short, this guy had a perfectly honorable job & service, then went and screwed it all up.

I will just never get these fellows. Their actions are just beyond my comprehension.

Combat Historian

This is just really sad and really pathetic…

OIF '06-'07-'08

I can understand somewhat, when a younger guy(or gal) with no self-confidence or self-esteem issues makes idiotic claims of stolen valor, but why in the name of God do veterans like Glen Flemming, or Dullass or the countless others make these claims.

In my book, anyone who has served during wartime is a hero, no matter how much combat action they saw. They don’t need be be anybody they were not.

Hondo

I’m kinda wondering why no American Campaign Medal, WW-II Victory Medal, Asia-Pacific Campaign Medal, or GCM (if he kept his “nose clean”). At a minimum, it looks like he should rate those based on his dates of service and assignments.

USMCE8Ret

In the September 2008 article, he claims to have served with Squadron 24. Historical records show that squadron was a Consolidated PBY Squadron in K-Bay Hawaii. Beyond that, there are no “24” squadrons designated on the Enterprise as he claims – so far as I was able to find:

http://www.cv6.org/company/airgroups.htm

MAJMike

Real heroes rarely, if ever, broadcast their heroics.

Sad. Really sad.

O-4E

He’s old…so obviously he is telling the truth

USMCE8Ret

I forgot to add…

… shitbag.

Rerun0369

@8- Thats why they are heroes. Selfless acts of valor are performed by people that live selfless lives.

2/17 Air Cav

@11. Yeah. I read the aricle looking for him to mention anyone other than himself. He didn’t. That seals it for me–as if it needed sealing. Did you ever hear of someone claiming so much combat and combat air time that didn’t credit others or remember them when being interviewed. Sure you did–and he wasn’t legit either.

Ex-PH2

Not sure about this, but the middle ribbon in the top row of that rack looks an awful lot like a Women’s Army Corps ribbon.

In the bottom row, it also looks like one of the ribbons is an Antarctic ribbon. Why would anyone have that when there was nothing going on in Antarctica back then? IGY wasn’t until 1951.

MGySgtRet

Been perpetuating this lie probably since the 50’s and is still unable to get it right. An elder shitbag.

Just An Old Dog

Glenn “Ass Toes” Fleming. I’ll give him points for originality on that. As soon as I saw the Marine Corpd Sharpshooter badges I knew hew was full of shit. Being rated on 4 different aircraft (not counting the F-14) is another dead bang give away. Way to steal the George Bush sub rescue story too you dried up old dog terd.

Bicep Dick

I had my junk severed by shrapnel so they took out my left bicep and created a new bionic penis

Cacti35

Sweet Jesus, just when I thought I heard them all, this one comes along.

Ex-PH2

I did not know that during WWII, the surgeons were so skilled that they could take a chunk out of someone’s butt (which is almost entirely muscle, by the way) and turn it into fake toes.

So does our boy ever show anyone that lawn mower accident byproduct?

“Asstoes” Fleming – what a gig!

The Other Whitey

It’s sad, really. I see something like this, and I see the polar opposite of my grandfather.

Grandpa was an antiaircraft gunner in the navy, serving in the Atlantic and Med. When asked, he occasionally told stories about the war, and in each one where somebody did something badass or ballsy, he swore up and down that he was too scared to do anything, and it was somebody else who manned the gun/fought the fire/saved the wounded man/whatever. Granted, none of these were “lone survivor, behind enemy lines, secret Medal of Honor”-type bullshit, just stuff that happened a lot on a lot of ships.

After he died, however, my Dad went through his stuff and found citations that Grandpa had stuffed in an old box in 1946 and never looked at again. According to the citations, the hero in the the stories he told was in fact HIM, though he always denied it. The only stories he ever too credit for had nothing to do with combat: meeting my Grandma and finding her injured brother in a hospital in North Africa (long story confirmed by my great-uncle). Even my grandma had no idea about any of this, and they’d been married since 1943.

So I guess you could say Grandpa lied about his service, in that he refused to claim credit for things he actually did. He never sought any kind of recognition even from his own family, much less any media outlet, and he sure as hell never sought any kind of personal gain. He just came home, started his family, and never made a big deal out of it.

This lying asshole Fleming pisses on the graves of my Grandpa and every other guy who ever served in WWII and wasn’t a shitbag about it (99.9% of them). Fuck him.

Hondo

Bingo, The Other Whitey. One of my late uncles was with the 82nd during World War II. He ended up with the Silver Star (Italy) and a Purple Heart (Bulge).

He talked much about a lot of things; he was a natural schmoozer. But the only time he ever talked about his deocrations was to complain when some guys broke into his apartment one year and stole the original certificates and medals. He said something to the effect that he’d like those back.

What he did, I don’t really know; he never told me. Family story was that his Silver Star was for him and another guy taking out a German machine gun position by themselves; the Purple Heart was for being too close to the impact point of a German shell during the Bulge. But I dunno for sure.

The only way I cut this guy any slack is if he’s “lost it” mentally, or is in the process of doing same. (And I kinda doubt it, because that’s generally obvious very shortly after meeting someone and the reporter would have picked up on that.) Otherwise, he’s just an older LSoS.

Green Thumb

An old, gnarly turd.

Thunderstixx

I, for one would like to hear more about Hondo’s and Whitey’s relatives. It is stories like those that keep our morale up when things are going bad for us anytime in our lives.

I worked in nursing homes for years and took care of tons of WWII Veterans and I would always try to get them to tell me about their adventures when they were in the War. And that is what they are, adventures. Because nothing like what they did would ever happen to them in Eldon Iowa or wherever they lived before they decided to join.

We really need to keep these stories alive, it is our job to treat all of them with respect. This guy in the story was a fine troop but lost all self respect when he started the lie years ago. That is too bad too, I bet he has a few good stories that are true too…

I know I do and I was a peacetime warrior.

Martinjmpr

For those asking “why didn’t the journalist do some basic investigating?” I think the answer is a simple one: The journalist wanted a story with lots of column-inches and Fleming wanted attention, so they both got what they wanted.

What would Fritz (the writer) have gained by digging into Fleming’s story? “Crazy WWII Vet spins unlikely yarn” isn’t something any newspaper wants to print, which would mean that Fritz would have wasted his afternoon instead of getting a front-page-of-the-lifestyle-section story.

O-4E

““Crazy WWII Vet spins unlikely yarn”

Actually I would read that headline

Tman

Why don’t more of these journalist types do proper background checking?

It’s simple really.

One is that many of them are lazy.

Second, and the big one, is that there still exists a sentiment that it’s considered ‘rude’ to question the military credentials of someone appearing to be a veteran. More so if such veteran are from the WW2 generation. You know, trust and all.

Yes for us here it’s stupid and basic common sense, but rest of the world don’t see it the same way.

Ex-PH2

There is a difference between ‘bony ass’ and ‘bones in the ass’, Jonn.

Gotta quit before I collapse from laughter again.

Well, we all want attention at one time or another. But most of us want it for something we actually did, and frequently we don’t even say anything about it without that preface remark ‘No shit, I was there.’

HMCS(FMF) ret

@19 and @20 – found out after my grandfather passed away in 1988 that he served in the Marine Corps and fought at Tarawa during WWII, he never said a word about it while he was alive to me or any of his other grandchildren. I asked after my grandmother received a condolence letter from President Regan and hung it up in the den of their home.

@23 – I think that it’s the mindset of the media today… to get the facts right is too much of an effort, so they end up putting them out there with little to no research done. To actually do the research and get the facts is just too much for those with a J-school degree

ChipNASA

@27 & 24…
Oh NO!!! A new sighting of dreaded AS(S) TO(E)

/snerk…pervasive it is.

Laughing Wolf

Hondo and Whitey,

My Dad was the same way. He had a couple of stories he told, usually funny and poked fun at himself, and that was it. There were a few times he told more, very few, and one time was it for those stories. I’ve learned some things since he passed that make me think he did more than any of us know.

His brother was a Navy pilot, and was killed in one of the last conventional attacks on a Japanese harbor along with the two crew. A round hit the plane, apparently killing my uncle and the plane went in. This guy’s story hits a little close to home for me, as what he fakes my uncle did — and didn’t come back. Off to write the journalist.

Hondo

Thunderstixx: short version for mine is here:

http://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=35400

I’ve got to find time soon to go and visit the last man standing again – before it’s too late forever.

OWB

My Dad as well. After all, he was “just a bandsman.” As I grew older, some of the details didn’t completely add up to that “just a bandsman” meme. Like flying a reconnaissance aircraft around Europe to “pick up music.” In 1945.

But, he held to that story about it being all music and pretty uniforms until I came home from Desert Storm. Finally, a few of the real details came out. But by that time, it was difficult to sort the fantasy from the reality.

It doesn’t matter to me. He was a real hero, humble to the end. And a great teacher of how to behave honorably. Mom, too. She herself had access to plenty of secret squirrel stuff back in the day as a civilian. They both took plenty of secrets to their graves.

JarHead Pat

Sad on a epic level.

FatCircles0311

I’m not even mad at Glen because he’s probably been doing this shit for half a century now.

I am mad at these fart journalists that profit from obvious bullshit stolen valor pieces. Can we start charging journalists for gross negligence and enabling this shit yet? Those are the fuckers actually making money of this bullshit.

Somebody needs to piss in the corn flakes of both of these scumfucks.

Just An Old Dog

@24

“I’m thinking that bones have something to do with balance and there are no useful bones like that in my ass.”

Please tell me that you are not asking for someone to put a bone in your ass..

streetsweeper

Ex-father-in-law (deceased) from my first marriage was a Marine aviator in the Pacific. I’d seen his medals and commendations a few times when he would get lit on JD Black. All he ever did was get them out and say “there, you saw ’em” and that’d be the end of it. He passed away in 1992, didn’t want military honors (and he earned them) or any “other junk” is how he put it. He is interred in a small cemetary up in Montana, plain headstone. Nothing more.

streetsweeper

This mutha farker chaps my ass by the way…

David

@24 – I still have some bones left in my knees and can’t walk for shit. Don’t think they make titanium asses, though.

Roger in Republic

My dad went ashore on Omaha beach on D +6 and ended up in Austria in Pattons Third Army. He only told the funny stories of his service. Being shelled just behind the beach in Normandy. Being present at the surrender of Cherbourg. Being lost in southern France and entering a small French town only moments after the Germans had retreated and accepting the towns surrender. He only told me one story of his combat experiance. While chasing Patton with a company of heavy trucks the unit stumbled into a small valley where the Germans were training some VolksStrum conscripts. He said that they were using wooden bullets in their rifles and machine guns. They fired, but because of their light weight they only traveled a short distance. He said it was a hot fight as his men were shooting real bullets. I asked him how it turned out. He said, “I don’t know, I was killed on the second day!”. That’s the kind of guy he was.

CWORet

Ahh jeez. Good on Mr Tillman, nice rebuttal with facts. Old blowhard made internet famous. Yea, this is sad.

E-6 type, 1 ea

@19 – my Grandpa was a prison guard at Leavenworth during WWII. According to him, there were plenty of shitbags in the Army at that time, haha.

Strange story, my Grandpa. He was born and raised in Abilene, KS, enlisted in the Army at 16, did his basic at Fort Riley and got stationed at Leavenworth! Haha. How strange is that?! A worl-wide war with major action on almost every continent, and he never gets more than 100 miles from home. Never even left the state of Kansas. He said he would sometimes get a pass and go help with harvest or planting. I think he very much resented the fact he didn’t go anywhere, but he never lied about it either.

CI Roller Dude

I found after 30+ years as a civ cop and being interviewed by a report about Iraq—They don’t know much about anything. You could tell them you were a 60 caliber machine door gunner on the Space Shuttle and they’d publish it.

Ex-PH2

I do think that middle ribbon on the top line of that ribbon rack is a Womens Army Corp WWII ribbon.

http://www.medalsofamerica.com/Item–i-R048_Header

So does that mean Fleming was a WAC?

FrankNollette

HONDO – re uncle in 82nd AB in WWII — if he was by chance assigned to the 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment, check a copy of FOUR STARS OF VALOR by Phil Nordybe. Lots of details, names, etc.. If 517th Parachute Regimental Combat Team was a possible unit, try BATTLING BUZZARDS by Gerald Astor — ditto on battles, details, people, etc.

Frank Nollette, CMSgt, USAF, Ret’d

jonp

@13: Sweet Jesus ex-PH2, haven’t you heard of all of those secret Nazi Antarctic Submarine Bases? They are in tons of movies

MrBill

@43 Ex-PH2 – you might be on to something. The whole story – as well as the mustache – could be the result of nothing more than a hormone imbalance.

Jim Legans, Jr

He’s no different than any other phony from any other war from any other time in history. There were, probably, plenty of posers who claimed to be with Henry V on Saint Crispins Day, fakes who were with Ulysess at the walls of Troy, and lying weasels who served with Socrates at Delium in 424 BC.

Fuck them all.

Hondo

Ex-PH2: don’t think that’s the WAC Medal ribbon – green center is too narrow and dark (WAC Medal had a lighter green and only two very narrow gold stripes at the outside edges). This one seems to have dark edges (blue?) and a trace of orange or red along with the gold, and the edge stripes are too wide.

I’d guess it’s a off-brand (with colors a bit off) or very faded NUC, but I can’t really tell.

The question that’s bothering me is what is that red/white/blue medal in the center of his display between the DFC and the BSM? I think I’ve seen it before, but I’m not positive – and I can’t place it.

Dennis

The red/white/blue medal looks similar to a Boy Scout medal; the ribbon is the same but the medal is different. It also looks like one of my Grandfather’s Order of Husbandry Medals. I checked the Royal Army’s catalog and couldn’t find it, nor could I find it for the Canadian National Defense. The Australians’ have something with a similar ribbon but the medal is different. If it was French; it would be blue/white/red.

It also looks like a participant’s award I received for a hike.

It’s so unique it must be legit.

Dennis

It’s also not the Dutch medal that’s inscribed “Thank you liberators”. The ribbon is the same but the medal is different.