How do you kill a drone?
Yesterday we talked about how drones are become so effective they are forcing some armor, like tanks, back into a fire support role. So given that the now-ubiquitous drone is so effective – how do you fight them? We’re gonna look at that.
Basically, as with any flying electronic device, if you can disrupt the flight part of the drone it becomes ineffective. The oldest way to do that is by transferring kinetic energy…hitting it with a rock probably how Ug the caveman wanted to deal with pterodactyls, right? Or using his club when something flying came in high and inside Ted Williams-style. Nowadays we use bullets.
China’s version is a 16-barrelled weapon which fires a wall of lead at the target
Yu added that while the primary targets for this system are aerial threats like drone swarms, fixed-wing aircraft, helicopters, and cruise missiles, it can also target ground or water surface targets when needed.
The chief designer mentioned that the system is modular and can be installed on trucks, armored vehicles, or warships.
Global Times reported that the system has a fast reload speed, high fire density, controllable barrage size, outstanding destructive power, and capability to accompany troops in maneuvers. Interesting Engineering
Any of you old guys remember how the Brits used volley fire from their Self-Loading Rifles (7.62 L1A1)? Some Ulster baddy ducked behind a wall, all the squad fired at where he was behind the wall, and the wall went away. As did he. Not sophisticated, but effective. Think a 16 barrel version of that. From the description, sounds a bit like our Phalanx CWIS but with fixed barrels.
Now the Russians have an interesting short-range solution – a 24 barrel shotgun to shoot buckshot at incoming, accompanied by a six-barrel AK-based system for slightly longer ranges. Knowing the Russians, one suspects six AKs bracketed onto a common mount with a round rod joining their triggers. You laugh…but look at the picture.
Ballistically, buckshot is “halitosis-range”* only but the AKs ought to give them at least a couple of hundred yards effective range. Interesting Engineering II
*Remember when you landed in Ohio – Dayton? Columbus? – and there was a skeet/trap shooting line facing the runway? Maybe 300 yards away, so birdshot never even got close to the runway, but when you are landing and see all those shotguns pointed in your direction…
Meanwhile we are working on various systems allowing our guys to tag drones. Several companies like Aim-Lock and ZeroMark are working on weapons mounted sighting systems – the theory is that you shouldn’t need a dedicated system on the battlefield if you have a bunch of Joes who can shoot like Alvin York and lay a round or two into the drone. Interesting if workable, but at this stage it seems they are still in development.
One system, however, from DZYNE, stands out – the average rifle bullet is at its most effective within about 1000 yards, right? Their Dronebuster DTIM (Detect, Track, Identify, Mitigate (DTIM) Kit) is claimed to have a seven kilometer (call it over 4 miles for you challenged folks) range, is worn like a backpack, and weighs less than 9 pounds.
Designed for tactical flexibility, the DTIM Kit weighs less than 8.8 pounds (4 kgs) and allows service members to move swiftly in the field while effectively addressing drone threats.
It comprises two main components: a Dronebuster mitigation system and a Dronebuster DTI system, providing an integrated drone detection and neutralization approach.
The mitigation system comes in two versions: the Dronebuster 4 and the Dronebuster 4-EU, the latter tailored to meet the specific needs of the European short-range device band.
Cutting past the buzzwords – it detects and identifies drones a long ways off and then jams them with a handheld emitter (above.)
More to come.
Category: Science and Technology
It will all be DEWs in the end game. The price per shot will be measured in dollars instead of hundreds of dollars per round. Plus DEWs are the only thing fast enough to take down masses of drones that are computer coordinated. The really well done attacks look like kicking over a hill of Crazy Ants. The drones move in unpredictable ways and are very hard to shoot down.
We have the proven tech for DEW but again, sat on our ass with it, just like advanced drones.
Jamming signals on drones is great. But those that run a fiber optic cable is not going to do it. Think of a fine fishing line that can spool out miles of very fine cablelike hair. Some of the drones can come in at close to 300 mph. You don’t have much reaction time. You would have to use a very fast targeting system and firing system. It’s going to take some engineering to get this worked out. I think lasers or proximity shrapnel rounds are good start.
Shrapnel rounds wouldn’t necessary have to hit the drone if it can sever the fiber umbilical. Throw enough shit into the air, you gotta hit something!
I would have to agree with 5JC it will be the Electronic Warfare tools that are most effective against the electronics! A big microwave gun or drone that blasts EMI as it flies through the swarm.
What is most surprising is all of this Tech came from the US, the Chinese just built it more quickly because we were worried about it working perfectly before we employed it. Take that electronically fired 16 barrel gun: US Soldier designed it, sold it to the military, the Contractor couldn’t make it completely perfect so the Army passed on it. China picks it up for free and deploys it!
As for Drone Busters claim…sure it detects out to 7km, maybe even 10km. But it doesn’t defeat that far! I’ll bet he would rather have a 4lbs sight on his rifle to allow him better accuracy on the drones than a 8.8lbs backpack and “radar gun” to maybe detect it and make it go away!
An actively cueing Patriot Radar for example will drop drones many miles away just incidentally. But also infrared lasers will work wonders on EW hardened drones. These days you can easily build a laser that will burn one up in a about two seconds from thirty miles away. We had that kind of tech 30 years ago. Sensors are catching up now.
I’ve seen heavy tropo systems (AN/TRC-170) take out USMC UAS’s. Twice. We told them, “Don’t take off through the transmission path”, 2KW SHF. And yes, we painted two kills on the shelter.
Sounds like a job for Signal.
Still have my coffee mug with the AOC logo.
My dad was a member, B-52 EWO. I got married wearing his Old Crow Association cufflinks.
Multi-frequency lasers to blind and burn out common sensors. Close enough and it burns out the smaller bits of airframe.
Directed EMP. Zorchgun. The radar emitter from an F-14, suitably modified, might be one option.
Skeet/Trap/SportingClays, scaled up for tank-mounted point defense, 10 guage autos with tungsten turkey/goose loads for Grunts. Possibly flechetts/darts for better range. One or two stuck in a rotor would kill a drone.
Mk-19 grenade launcher with proximity-fused frag rounds. Or with cannister shitloads of coiled up wires that spring out to ensnare.
Israel was working on tank-mounted sandcasters/gravellers to slag inbound HEAT or long-rod rounds. Mod the detector tracker for “slow” drone versus “fast” rounds.
Last ditch defense with a water cannon. (You hoser!)
Hunter/killer drones that swarm back at the incoming.
Etc.
A lower velocity 40mm as above, fired from the M-4/M-203 combo.
Last April’s U.S Naval Institute Proceedings magazine had 2 articles on taking down drones. One mentioned Marines using full auto shotguns and the other article was using the exterior shipboard Fire fighting monitors to knock them down into the drink with high pressure water. Well, I’ll drink to that.
How do you kill a drone?
Remind them that Trump is President.
[*RIM SHOT*]
Thank you….thank you….I’ll be here all week…be sure to tip your waitress….
The modern Battle Space is constantly evolving…and we damn sure better evolve with it. Skynet…grins.
AI-controlled drones are the way of the future.
I don’t know what we are waiting for.
DARPA has been working on that for ages.
Gotta figure out how to make the drones cost at least a million a piece.
What would the operating cost be for a battalion-sized unit of rednecks with shotguns? They’d most likely provide their own weapons, if we just kept them fed and supplied with beer and buckshot… Hell, I’d even sign up!
If it was a single drone you had to disable, I think it would be fairly easy to shoot the drone down. The Ukraine army sends in a hundred + drones to a battle field. One for each soldier on the field or armored vehicle. Then operators get others airborne when one is used or knock down. I’ve watched a couple videos of Ukraine buzzing Russian assaults with drones and tanks and it’s no match, soldiers on the ground are eliminated quickly by drones or artillery cluster shells. The Russians keep repeating the same maneuvers with same results. I see why there is a million casualties on Russian side. Shooting down a drone swarm of a hundred is going to be challenging. Longer range artillery would be better than facing drones.
Maybe use RDF to spot the drone control station, let Arty unleash hell on it. I’m not sure how fast RDF operates these days. I was always on the other end of those sneaky bastards.
If it works similar to the FCC transmission finding capabilities at air ports. Just a minute or two to track the location. If you operate a VHF radio in a way to interfere with ATC they know your location immediately.
Almost as fast as HAM operators tracking an unlicensed transmission!
foxhunt
Perhaps rehabilitation for the XM25?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM25_CDTE
Whatever system is used, acquiring and tracking the target, especially at very low altitudes, will be the problem. And always remember—“What goes up, must come down”.
Sounds like a winner, start testing in Ukraine. Maybe somebody is already testing it out to work out all the bugs.
I follow drone development closely.
It’s a game changer.
Fortunately we can watch RUS UKR fight it out to inform us.
Sometimes, the best solution to hi-tech is lo-tech.
Bring back falconry and pigeon units.
Maybe a few punt guns?
Or one of these maybe.
https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/SSK_.950_rifle