If you want to see a real liberal Jerk in action…
Watch this video of a San Diego middle-school teacher who staged and picked a fight with the US Border Patrol at a border checkpoint in New Mexico just north of the border. She had her kids in the car and it appears she had one of them video the confrontation that occurred when she refused to say whether she is an American citizen. The reason I can identify her politics as liberal becomes quite evident if you watch far enough into the video.
Just think, this immature asshole is teaching someone’s kids…
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Dumb beotch lies right off the bat, says she’s never been asked something like this before then the hypocrite follows that up with “we went through this last year”.
I guess spending 1 hr and 15 minutes of her time was worth arguing. Said yes we are all citizens and she would have been on her way. Too bad being from California they did not have any legal weed so they would have been arrested for that.
Yeah.
And I would also bet she would be screaming she was a citizen to get back in the country if something went wrong when she was abroad.
What a tool this woman is. I wonder if it was classified as “field trip?” It that is the case, I wonder if she had parental permission slips?
I am sure her husband (or whatever) has to put up with her bullshit on a daily basis.
I am sure she has beaten him into submission and most likely a withering wussie now. Poor guy.
He doesn’t dare say shit, being the beta cuck he is.
I have occasionally, for the last three decades, been stopped along with all other traffic just north of Augusta Maine by the Border Patrol and asked the same question.
My reply has always been followed by “thank you for asking”.
That lady needs to spend some time in foreign
country. A very foreign country.
Like Mexico.
She would be sitting in a Mex jail right now if she had tried that shit.
Or just disappeared.
Parents should be doing everything within their power to keep this psycho away from their kids. She has no business being anywhere near a school.
She’s “educated”… probably a Bezerkeley Grad, who knows how to speak “truth to power”. Her fellow “educators” probably see her as a “hero” in the epic struggle against “those in power”. A typical reactionary libtard that is a “model teacher” in the SDUSD.
She need to be flipping burgers and cleaning toilets as a new job.
Sadly, a relative of mine is a SoCal “educator” who totally supports this.
They’re so fucking smart until the real world (outside America) smashes them in the face.
Don’t get the wrong idea about my answer. DHS says “they can ask the question,” but “YOU don’t have to answer.”
I would like to see the BP agents AT THE BORDER, to STOP them prior to entering the country rather than after they have established themselves here.
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I’ve worked in that area. Since there are so many places and ways to cross the border away from the roads, there is an additional checkpoint further north. The USBP know that after making it a bit north, a lot of the infiltrators then make their way to the roads.
What is this silly cow’s issue? I’ve been overseas twice. Passport and immigration card at the entry station, on return I had to do the same thing: fill out an immigration card and go through passport check-in. Everybody does that. It isn’t something new.
I couldn’t see the video but I don’t need to. There is always someone spoiling for a fight somewhere, and this dried-up hag is one of them.
In some instances, you’re required to have a passport just to get on an airplane for travel within the US. I’m beginning to think the Amish have it right: horse and buggy, and take a feed bag and hay on a long trip.
Someone should shut that silly bitch up. (The one in the video, not PH2.) The Border patrol operates checkpoints several miles inside the border on major US roads as part of a ‘defense-in-depth’ policy and has for many years – I used to drive through one weekly. They typically take less time to go through than a stop light. This woman seems to think that if a cop isn’t in the police station they have no jurisdiction. Now that I have had a chance to listen to more of the recording, I think someone should slap her into last week and then boot her into next month for her self-inflicted BS.
And they still have the one in I-5 just south of San Clemente, IIRC.
It’s likely she’s Libertarian. Libertarians regularly challenge the constitutionality of these inland highway checkpoints. This is not a border entry point; it’s a highway checkpoint well north of the border where all drivers are stopped and questioned.
A teacher in California? I’m doubting that she’s anything but a full on leftist… but you could be right
She could well be a leftist, but there are loads a similar videos of Libertarians challenging the inland checkpoints in the same fashion as this woman. They always ask “am I being detained?”
My cousin and her husband are both high school teachers here. They build ARs in their free time and fly a Rebel Flag from the RV they take to the desert. Of course, they don’t make a habit of trolling law enforcement…
Wow, we know a cousin of 2 of the 100 teachers in the country that are conservative. Cool!
That has already gone through the Supreme Court, as is clearly stated by the BPO in the video. So, she’s out there trying to state a court case to these men, who have no authority to hear a case, and in any case, upon a decision that the Supreme Court has found to be within the bounds of the Constitution.
She wants to argue with that? The side of the highway isn’t the place, and the LEOs aren’t the ones to do it with. They’re not going to change the rules for anyone, but by God they WILL enforce them.
You haven’t heard the current Progressive rallying cry “RESIST” have you? She’s living it! Power it the People et cetera.
Maybe she would like to hang out with Sergio Jose Martinez.
He is not a citizen, either.
Lots of Border Patrol activity in my area, as it’s pretty close to the border. I appreciate the job they do. Also end up working with them quite a bit on fires, T/Cs, and rescues. Most of them are good guys and gals doing a good job. Occasionally, you’ll encounter one who’s a dick. One such agent hassled my wife once after she brought the kids to see me at work. I spoke to a couple others about it afterwards, and their reply was, “Yeah, sorry, that guy’s an asshole,” which I accepted.
I’m curious why this chick (don’t know her, thank God) chose to go to New Mexico for her little farce. There’s six such checkpoints right here in San Diego County. I know of at least two more in Imperial County. Maybe because that wouldn’t fit into her “California fellow travelers” narrative, perhaps?
Gee, the land of the free and the home of the brave she says, but The Constitution with these peeps only applies to them when they need it. What a Fuckin asshole. Too bad the camera batteries didn’t over heat and turn the car into a crematorium.
Why punish the children because mom is an arrogant oxygen thief?
Your right Jon,and I am apologizing for the remark I made.
This Flapping Vagina only did this so she could go “viral” on the internet and get her 15 minutes of flame ( yes the L was meant). She even said clearly in the video that’s what she was going to do, post her video on social media. So she not only acts like a fool to Border Patrol, she does it in front of her Fuck Trophies teaching them how to be ignorant to those in positions of authority. Guarantee, the out come she hoped for won’t happen. I only wish that Poetrooper hadn’t linked the video so as not to give this C**t Muffin more exposure. I truly hope this Sausage Wallet loses her teaching position and credentials.
Is this the US side of the rural border control point? Don’t you have to be prepared to show your passport, passport card, or enhanced drivers license?
If that is the case, the agent was just trying to be nice by not asking up front. Don’t know why video is OK in this situation when you can’t use it at the airport immigration, in pretty much the US or the other 50-60 counties I’ve ever flown or driven into.
These are US Border Patrol interior checkpoints, 25 to 75 miles from the border, on the US side.
They are somewhat successful in picking up illegals and drugs that made it through the border.
I’ve never spent more than a few seconds at one, simply responding,
“US citizen “, get waved on with “have a nice day”.
A lot of people feel this is an unconstitutional hinderance to free travel, and there are scores of YouTube vids of people resisting.
Teach probably just got done watching 40 or 50 of them while on vacation, and thought she’d give it a try.
She’s not very good at it.
Motherfuckers made me pour out my liquor many, many years ago.
Back in 1984 while at NS San Diego, I was taking an Amtrak train North to visit friends in Anaheim. 20 minutes out of station the train stopped, and a bunch of guys on cowboy hats & green jackets boarded they train.
“Were you born in the US?” one of them asked.
“Yes. I was born in Delaware”
“Okay. Thanks”
As he continued thru the car, he asked the same question to all the passengers. Several people didn’t give the proper response and they were awarded zip-tie handcuffs. I finally noticed the writing on the back of his green jacket: US Border Patrol
“They do this every few nights on this route” the conductor said.
“How about that” as I proceeded to snap a few pictures with vintage Kodak Inst-a-Matic
“We don’t have border patrol back in Delaware.”
So random stops by the USBP are ongoing for at least 30 plus years.
This is a highway checkpoint inside the US, on an American highway. They stop all drivers on the highway, have a dog sniff their cars, and ask the vehicle’s occupants questions. No you don’t have to have to carry a passport for travel within the US, but the driver needs to have a drivers license.
I love all of the junk food in the back.
Surprised that drug dog did not take a seat either.
What a clown.
Setting her example in her own mind.
Moron.
Remember when pushing back against government overreach was not a “liberal” thing.
American conservatism has become authoritarian bullshit at this point.
These checkpoints on peoples’ travels to and from destinations WITHIN the US are the kinds of things conservatives would not be ok with not long ago.
Uh, oh… Major Asshole is all wee’d wee’d up this AM.
The nation would not be doing crap like this if liberal morons were not doing “bullshit” like sanctuary cities, in a deliberate effort to import illegally millions of cheap laborers and assumed-left new voters.
Largely the fault of your co-philosophers of the left.
Cant build your fascist utopia without first ruining the existing free/capitalist system, clearing the way for your “its not socialism” socialism.
“kinds of things conservatives would not be ok with not long ago.”
Uh, no. I have been around boo coo conservatives since “not long ago” and I do
not recall any such thing. Please enlighten
me with some facts not just a link.
Frankly, you can look at YouTube, search “Border Patrol Checkpoint” and find lots of examples from many people on all parts of the political aisles who think this type of stop is wrong.
However, there are a couple things to consider in this case:
1) The Supreme Court has said that checks such as this (including DUI, “Father Checks,” etc.) must be applied equally to all vehicles. You can’t stop some and let others go. There is a number of vehicles that are allowed to go through the checkpoint on the video without being stopped.
2) The Court has also ruled that the motorist may be detained only for the length of time to determine the question at hand. Do anyone really think that it takes an hour to run a license plate to determine her ownership of the vehicle?
3) The issue with the bathroom and the Supervisor was petty and vindictive on her the Supervisor’s part.
On the driver’s side, it seems she was saying “I don’t care what the law is, I am going to do what I want.” I wonder whether she would allow such an attitude in her class. (I doubt it.)
This, like many similar interactions, seems to be a case where there are no “clean hands.”
The Border Patrol did not exactly do the right things and the woman did the wrong thing.
TNX the info.
“The Supreme Court has said that checks such as this (including DUI, “Father Checks,” etc.) must be applied equally to all vehicles”.
I remember the complaints about OUI checks being random and I agree with
the SC. Other than that my experience
has always been “all vehicles”.
As a “younger” man I read the book “The Onion Field” which was the basis for the Miranda warning that we now enjoy. It woke me up.
In the stops I have encountered, no one asked me to “show zee papers”.
Might as well have been a toll booth operator asking my dog’s name.
Conservatives AND liberals have been putting up with those checkpoints for at least a half century that I personally know of without any fuss. The Dept. of Agriculture has also had checkpoints.
I lived in a border zone and still do. I am aware of these checkpoints.
And the agricultural checkpoints are much more limited in scope (they are only conducted at the nearest entry checkpoint) and ask a question that is within the scope of federal government power in controlling the travel of agricultural goods across borders.
The border control checkpoints are quite different. And they exist all over the country within 100 miles of a border or coastline. I have crossed them in Northern California.
Essentially the government has pushed the limit of its authority by creating a 100 mile zone around the entire US. Which far exceeds what would be reasonable for border security. Which is why the government NEVER fights these cases.
Never been to Vegas in the last 50 years, I take it.
There are also restricted radio zones impossed on radio operators within 25 miles of the Canadian border. Look up “above line A” in the FCC rules.
I live a border town and I am subject to a lot stuff because of that. We have every federal, state, indian, college, county , local, constable, game warden, forest ranger police force you can think of around here.
Customs, Aggies, fish and wildlife ad nauseum. I love it.
I’d lover to see his ass the first time he came back from Northern VT/NH/ME as a result of that.
Lover…love.
Then again, he’d love to suck on Trudeau’s micropenis.
Since you claim to be aware of those checkpoints, what is your basis for claiming conservatives would not be okay with them? Other than just trolling, I mean.
” Which far exceeds what would be reasonable for border security.”
That’s your opinion,others differ. The fact that they occasionally catch someone would seem to indicate they are reasonable.
EAFBOD, Lars.
You, as a “former LEO” should know you have a legal right to ask for identification. Period.
The fact that this twunt wanted to be an attention whore when she clearly had no right or reason to be shows what a mind-numbing fucktard you are for even getting your mangina sandy over something she should have just said, “US citizen,” and been on her way.
The more that Babbles McButthead pontificates, the more one of two things becomes apparent. He never was a LEO, or, he was, but he was an especially shitty one.
You, as a “former LEO” should know you have a legal right to ask for identification. Period.
If you are a current or former LEO, you should know that statement is wrong.
Period.
You might want to review Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada (2004). Per that SCOTUS decision, it appears that a LEO can, under certain circumstances, require someone verbally to identify themselves by giving their name (though other cases appear to say requiring them to produce an ID document is a no-go).
A Game Warden can do what he/she wants.
Period.
While I realize a GM is not the topic of conversation,it should answer this question.
Actually it doesn’t.
Most states give game wardens powers beyond that of a regular law enforcement officer, but not all do.
Therefore the “period” is not a sold as one might think.
“but not all do.”
Maine does.
As do NH and VT. Hell, even the Border Patrol supplements the local LEOs on the border.
I suggest you take a few minutes and read Hiibel.
If I’m reading that case correctly, in that case the SCOTUS upheld state “ID required” laws – provided they were satisfied by a verbal ID giving the individual’s name. So, yes: it appears that if you live in such a state (and as I recall, most states are “ID required”), then state LEOs in those states can indeed request ID during an investigation and doing so is mandatory.
Many CCW laws mandate carrying valid ID with the permit.
Many CCWs require presenting ID and permit on demand.
The “must notify” jurisdictions seem to want unpleasant encounters. Most LEOs i have asked prefer not to bring up the topic unless relevant.
How is the above related? Some folks try to make LEO encounters as unpleasant as possible, often for odd political reasons. Some of them write laws.
Hondo,
With all due respect, I think that you are reading the case wrong – or at least to the extent that we are discussing whether an ID must be produced at any time.
The first part of the opinion is the restating of long established precedent (going back to British law) where a person must identify themselves during an investigation of a crime or suspicion of a crime.
The opinion directly says that a id must be provided in a “Terry stop,” which is where a person is detained for an “articuable legal reason.”
Hibel builds on Terry, but the principle is clear: law enforcement cannot simply stop a person and demand ID. They must have a reason they can articulate and that reason must be related to a crime or an investigation of a crime.
Once again, Hibe; says the idea that police can demand ID at any time is wrong.
Uh.
Yeah.
A Game Warden can what he/she wishes.
At least in any state I have lived in.
Always waiting for Hondo to come out of the wings with the specificity of a sniper to show legal precedent. You’re my hero on many a day Hondo.
You made my point for me, Honde.
UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES……
Terry v. Ohio carries a similar standard of before stopping and asking someone for id, a law enforcement officer must be able to articulate a lawful reason to stop the person and ask for ID.
These two cases are contrary to that which was said by Silentium Est Aureum:
You, as a “former LEO” should know you have a legal right to ask for identification. Period.
He’s wrong and your citation and others prove it.
As someone who’s family and many friends are/were law enforcement I can tell you this.
If law enforcement watches a person long enough, they’ll find a reason to stop them and ask for ID. Especially so if the person knows there is law enforcement around. They will mess up on their own and not even realize it.
Just hold on there, boys. In some states, if you’re stopped by the roadside for no apparent reason and a cop – local or otherwise – passes by, the police are ALL instructed to ask you for ID, period.
Oh, how do I know this?
Simple: I stopped a few yards from a bridge on a busy highway and got out to get a few shots of black swans in the river. A local pohlease person stopped, asked me what I was doing, I showed him the photos, and he asked for my driver’s license. They are ALL told to ask for ID and/or licenses now.
It may vary from state to state, but that’s how it is where in the state I live.
Whether they are “instructed” or whatever doesn’t mean their actions are legal.
If you had told the officer “no,” he would have either had to go on his merry way or articulate a legal basis for his asking for the ID. That basis has to be rooted in an crime or an investigation of a crime.
I would assume that your stopping a few yards from a bridge along a highway for a non-emergency reason is against traffic laws.
That made his request to you legal.
If you were standing in the middle of a park and the officer came up to you and demanded or asked for ID, you don’t have to provide it.
That’s the law.
Even in Olympia the LEO’s have been known to stop folks and ask them to provide ID. I used to jog through a neighborhood on the west side of Oly and had done so for three of four years. Was running my normal route when this dude steps out from behind a tree, shows me his OPD ID Card and asks to see MY ID. Fortunately I had my drivers license on me. Seems there had been reports of a prowler in the neighborhood and OPD was out in force.
The officer wasn’t rude, he showed me his ID first, and provided his reason for stopping me. Took about 30 seconds.
I didn’t feel violated or deprived of my rights and I hope they got the prowler.
That stop would fit under a Terry stop.
It’s legal.
If there wasn’t a prowler and no activity of crime in the area, that stop would have been illegal.
dang your back again commissar? why does a check point bother you? have your valid id on you and your on your way.
He’s afraid that he won’t get someone to clean his studio apartment and wash his clothes this month…
Took her less than 4 minutes to pull the Nazi comparison. “No, I understand. You’re just doing your job. That’s what the Brown Shirts said in Germany.” What a dumbass. And actually it wasn’t the Brown Shirts. The Brown Shirts were Party activists, and didn’t invoke that defense. It was later govt and miliitary figures who tried the ‘just following orders’ defense. I wouldn’t want this woman within a mile of my children.
“You know, the Jews had pieces of flair the Nazis made them wear.”
Her only agenda was to make a point about “fascism” and “nationalism” which she spoke of the end. She said, “people shouldn’t be proud of where they’re born, that’s nationalism and we fight wars about nationalism.”
Dumb ass liberals as usual, pick the wrong fights, at the wrong time.
Unfortunately, she’s a teacher and teaching the kids that America is bad. Not in those words but to just leave that taste in their mouths.
I hope she never hears about the War OF Jenkins’ Ear. Mine don’t work all that well, but I have grown attached to them and she would probably want them banned.
She should have no contact with children in a teaching position of power. Sick of these mental reject pieces of shi being in positions to teach children their warped mentality. Clear the board of them all.
I could only watch about a minute of this. It reminded me too much of that “I need some muscle over here” chick Melissa Click at the student protests in Missouri. One of those unhappy people who wants to make everyone around them also unhappy.
As a matter of additional perspective, Shane Parmely teaches English as a second language (ESL) in a middle school in San Diego. She formerly taught regular English at a high school in the same district. Draw your own conclusions on the apparent demotion.
Parmely’s post-video statements have been that she was trying to draw attention to the racist policies of a fascist U.S. government. What she apparently doesn’t understand is that racism is not the same as border protection of a sovereign state.
Then too, an irony is that Parmely is only able to film her harpy little video because a long line of people have stood on the wall and kept the barbarians away from the gate. As an educator, she should know this. Apparently she does not.
These fuckfaces to to travel and pull that shit at a checkpoint in one of those foreign shitholes.
Then you will find out what real corruption is. She would be lucky to just have every thing of value stolen from her and detained a few hours
Worst case she and her kids would end up decomposing in a ditch after she was gang raped
Yeah, because we should be like those foreign shitholes.
How about we be a free country instead?
Why not be that?
Instead of the police state subjects a big segment of our political demographics want us to be.
I dunno, if we had enforced the laws of this country rather than spread our ass cheeks wide like you apparently like to do, we wouldn’t have the immigration issues we do now, would we?
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If you idiots would stop illegally importing mass waves of people you demand -not- be assimilated,
Maybe we -could- stay free.
You -idiots- are doing your level best to train-wreck the place.
You just cant function without a permanent underclass you can “protect”. So, you import it.
Once again Lars, you have earned an Oak Leaf Cluster on your Dumb
ass Medal, for stupidity beyond the call of ignorance.
I merely made a statement that the hag in the video needs to realize that our internal, and even or border security laws and enforcement is NOTHING like the fascist example she trots out.
As per your SOP, you quickly got your chapped ass all up in the air and repeated the leftist Antifa, commie mantra you so often spit out, that everyone right of center wants to establish a dictatorship.
If you are so worried about our becoming a police state, why not focus your energies on less trivial and less justifiable matters? The abuse of Eminent Domain or Civil Asset Forfeiture, for example.Or speech codes and enhanced punishment for “hate crimes”.
Not politically correct enough for you?
Ms. Parmely evidently doesn’t get out much. After living so long in San Diego it’s hard to see how she could have missed one of those checkpoints before. There used to be at least one between San Diego and LA, for example. I assume there still is.
Sounds to me like she was trolling, and used her own kids as props.
And what the heck is a “support teacher”?
Not counting Ports of Entry, there’s six that I can think of off the top of my head. One on I-5 north of the Pendleton gate, one on I-15 north of Fallbrook, two on I-8 in east county, one on Highway-94 in Dulzura, and one on Old Highway-80 southeast of Pine Valley.
The fact is this detention was illegal.
These border checkpoints have very dubious constitutionality and are leaning on “extra-constitutional” powers that exist at borders. The fact is that they have extended the “border zone” to include 100 miles of the border and coastline (meaning most of the state of California and most of many Western, Southern, and Eastern coastal states also fall into this border zone.
The current case law indicates these border checkpoints are not constitutional as they are being implemented.
In fact the constitutionality is so dubious the US rarely prosecutes US citizens caught with drugs at these checkpoints since they do not want a case to be appealed and elevated to a level that would cause a formal constitutional ruling.
So, compliance at these checkpoints is ENTIRELY VOLUNTARY. It is a VOLUNTARY stop. Detaining someone for not answering questions at a voluntary stop is an unlawful detention.
Most border patrol agents are aware of this and do not detain someone for noncompliance at these checkpoints.
These agents screwed up and they will likely be trained to not do it again.
To blame the US citizen for standing up to HER and OUR constitutional rights is flat bullshit.
I am not arguing that these checkpoints are not effective. They catch thousands of illegal immigrants. But they do so by pushing the limits of the governments power to interfere with the freedom and movement of US citizens.
As long as these checkpoints are treated as VOLUNTARY they barely pass constitutional muster and are merely a tolerable nuisance.
However, when US citizens are getting detained at these checkpoints for not answering questions their constitutional rights are violated and the border patrol is and should be admonished for overreach.
Are you saying all that as an attorney? Or at least as someone who read the USSC ruling in Martinez-Fuerte? I’m suspecting not since you flat out say it is “dubious”. That’s not usually the status of an issue decided by the Supreme Court. If I’m wrong, please tell me your analysis of the case and why the BP overstepped it in this incident. Always willing to learn.
Lars also doubles as a “psychiatrist”, sans license.
You mean like Lucy from Charlie Brown?
I can see it. “The Doctor is in.” $1.00
Oops. Not a $1.00
“Psychiatric Help 5 cents”
Mea Culpa.
You are allowed to index for inflation.
Yo, Commissar Clueless: before making sweeping pronouncements like, “The current case law indicates these border checkpoints are not constitutional as they are being implemented”, you should really take 5 minutes to look at the controlling case law. To wit:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/428/543/case.html
You know of a later SCOTUS decision that modifies the above, cite it here publicly. Good luck finding one.
Per that SCOTUS case – decided 7-2, and which to my knowledge is still current precedent and has not been modified by any later SCOTUS decisions – inland INS checkpoints are completely legal. That includes the one at which this “lady” was stopped and refused to cooperate with Federal LEOs.
Further, as observed above this “lady” arguably lied to those Federal agents while being questioned incidental to the stop. If true, that in and of itself is a separate violation of Federal law – specifically 18 USC 1001. She’s lucky the folks on-site didn’t press that issue.
Put plainly: the fact that you don’t like the law, or a particular SCOTUS ruling, is irrelevant. Here you’re wrong. Deal with it, doofus.
And next time, maybe do some homework before running your yap. It just might keep you from looking like a damnfool.
I won’t hold my breath.
Do you really think I had not read that before I replied? That case is 40 years old and has been part of the discussion of this issue for as long as this issue has been on my radar. Which is since the 90s. First, US residents are supposed to be waved through without inquiry. Meaning they can only stop someone and ask questions if they have REASONABLE SUSPICION THAT THE PERSON IS HERE ILLEGALLY. That reasonable suspicion can be based on ancestry. But in practice many border patrol agents ASK EVERY SINGLE VEHICLE QUESTIONS. Which they are not supposed to do. Only when a vehicle approaches that a reasonable person might suspect carries unlawful occupants can they detain the vehicle to ask questions. Second, according to the supreme court these checkpoints are only supposed to be a “reasonable distance” from the border. A reasonable distance has NEVER BEEN DEFINED BY THE COURT!!! when that case was decided in 1976 they did not have case law to determine reasonable distance so congress determined it to be 100 miles from any port of entry into the US. Which means 100 miles from any border or coast; INCLUDING INTERIOR COASTS CONNECTED TO THE COAST. So ten entire states and 1/3 the population of the US is regarded as being within this congressionally legislated distance. As you should know if you passed 7th grade civics; CONGRESS DOES NOT DETERMINE THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF A LAW. The supreme court does. And the supreme court has not ruled on wether 100 miles is a “reasonable distance”. Most constitutional scholars think it is not since it encompasses 10 entire states and 1/3 of the population of the US. In order to avoid risking the supreme court making a formal ruling on this government prosecutors have AVOIDED MAKING NEW CASES THAT RISK THAT RULING. So they are refusing to take or dropping cases that risk being pushed up to Federal Appeals on this issue. That is what I mean by “DUBIOUS” constitutionality. These checkpoints are not operating as they were in 1976. There are far more of them,… Read more »
Based on your past documented pattern of engaging mouth before either engaging brain or doing anything remotely resembling fact-checking, I did not believe you had read the decsion. And whether or not you ever read the case sometime in the past, it’s quite obvious you either (1) did not read the decision in detail, or (2) have “conveniently” forgotten what it said.
Had you actually read the case, you’d know that it dealt with a permanent INS checkpoint 66 miles from the nearest land border. The SCOTUS ruled that was acceptable.
In fact, if you were familiar with the case you’d also know that the SCOTUS accepted the 100-mile border zone defined in the CFR in both that and other prior cases (see Footnote 8 to the case). Last time I checked, the CFR isn’t Federal law; it’s the regulations that implement same.
Oh, and you’d also know that the practice of INS agents asking questions at these stops was also endorsed by the SCOTUS (Footnote 15). Here, let me quote a part of that footnote for you (emphasis added):
Very obviously your contention that INS agents “can only ask questions when they suspect someone is not a citizen” (or words to that effect) is, well, BS. According to the SCOTUS, they can question anyone they damn well please who passes thru the checkpoint, for any reason whatsoever. In particular, that means they can indeed question everybody. “Reasonable suspicion” that a particular individual is not a US citizen is NOT required.
Try again, Clueless one. My apologies that reality doesn’t conform to your fantasies, and that that fact disturbs you. But that’s exactly the case here.
You make me wanna Bro Hug you every time I read your legal responses.
Hondo,
Lars will never admit he is wrong, even when he gets body slammed with the truth, A few weeks back he was flapping his man-pleaser on the thread about the Army starting to issue certificates to Soldiers who complteted basic training,
He said it was no big deal and then went on to falsely claim that Marines have been issuing Certificates to all Marines who complteted training for decades,
As any Marine who served I knew this was a bald face lie,
Lars, being the sack working turdling he is, had to produce ” Proof”.
He put up an example of a delayed enlistment acceptance letter given to poolees by recruiters and an Honorman Certificate given to the top recruit in each platoon,
I explained the difference and instead of manning up he skittered off without admitting he was wrong.
Fuck this guy,
One thing I absolutely cannot stand is a lack of integrity, especially in someone who was supposed to have been an Army Officer and LEO.
Hell, JAOD, I know that he’ll almost certainly never admit he was wrong (though I do seem to remember him doing so once, so I guess lightning could strike twice). But I still enjoy deconstructing his smug, self-assured BS with verifiable facts – then rubbing his nose in the pile resulting from said deconstruction.
Being an insufferable, conceited ass too lazy to fact-check who’s not anywhere near as smart as he thinks he is should have painful consequences. I try to provide Commissar Clueless those consequences on occasion, at least verbally.
“That reasonable suspicion can be based on ancestry.”
That sounds like profiling to me. Aren’t liberals supposed to condemn profiling because “das rayciss!” or something?
Shame Shame.
‘based on ancestry’? What ancestry? Is there a genotype or DNA test included in what that idiot COMMISSAR Commissar said?
Since almost all Americans, including blacks and Latinos, come from diverse backgrounds which can be proven by simple DNA testing, that is possibly the dumbest thing he’s said so far.
How is a cop at a checkpoint supposed to know the ‘ancestry’ of the person he’s stopping? Is that based on appearance or DNA sampling?
Take a hard look at the diversity of physical appearance (phenotype) of everyone you can think of, and unless you know someone’s real ancestry, how would you know, for example, if someone with the name Rzezckowski is actually of Polish descent? You wouldn’t unless he whipped out his link to Ancestry.com and showed you all his “ancestors” and their photos. Plenty of people from Central and South America look as European and North American as you can get. That ‘schoolteacher’ is a blond, couldn’t determine her eye color, so how is stopping her at a LEGAL common checkpoint RACIST?????
That IS the stupidest thing COMMISSAR Commissar has said to date. He just keeps proving himself to be the biggest barking, farting asshole on the planet, every time he gets a chance.
“There are far more of them,…”
Because the problem is worse.
And, since you admit that many illegals are caught by these checkpoints, what is the basis for your claim that 100 miles is not reasonable?
Lars, sometimes it’s hard to tell if what you say is because you’re delusional, or if you make stuff up to push your agenda. Each of the falsehoods also casts doubt on those things you say which might be true but nobody can trust.
Here is a national list of Border Patrol Sectors and the relevant stations controlled by them.
Border Patrol is also tasked with keeping track of incoming international travelers such as for deep-water ships or airports.
Here is an additional list of Border Patrol Ports of Entry in California.
Having worked in every coastal California county from Ventura to Sonoma, I can tell you Border Patrol checks are a non-issue. The only general-public coastal NorCal presence I remember is the old Border Patrol office off Highway 101 in San Luis Obispo. It’s been closed now for years.
Sorry if the actual facts get in the way of the Antifa manifesto you’ve been following.
Actually, it is NOT illegal. There are states that have border checkpoints for health certificates for livestock entering the state. Florida has that. You have to stop and show the critter’s health certificate to a trooper or get chased down and ticketed if you don’t have it.
It is perfectly legal. California used to have stops for incoming travelers to check for things like fruits and vegetables that are contaminated with insect eggs that can destroy California’s agriculture business. I’d assume they still have that.
If COMMISSAR Commissar, you don’t know that, it’s not our fault that you don’t pay attention.
The entire legal structure is a tradeoff between freedom and order. Jaywalking is an infringement of my freedom, as is being forced to pay to register my vehicles. Yet they are constitutional and accepted by all but the lunatic fringe.
Most of us think those border zone checkpoints are also a reasonable restriction on our rights. In this case I suggest you learn to live with what the majority consider to reasonable and move on to less trivial and more important things.
And the majority of people that do not comply at these checkpoints are SMALL GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVES.
Not the big government “conservatives” most of the regulars on this board are.
What is the basis for that statement?
Where is your backup?
Where are your statistics?
What data are you using to support what you said?
And you want big government to give you all of the free shit that you “think” you’re entitled to? You’re too fucking lazy to do anything else with your pathetic life but come here and bitch and moan about your latest talking points.
When you finish with your “education”, why don’t you go take and use your diploma for what it actually worth… toilet paper to wipe your fat ass with.
Perhaps you count as small gov’t. conservatives all those “Travelers” and “Free men on the land” who appear in innumerable Youtube videos. We normal small gov’t. conservatives do not. Small gov’t. does not mean no gov’t.
I find it interesting how twisted “conservatism” is on this board.
There is nothing more “big government” than a government controlling or monitoring free movement of its citizens.
The “conservatives” on this board.
Celebrate and support police violence on citizens.
Love spending on increased police and equipment.
Support the fact that we have the larges prison industrial complex in the world imprisoning more of our citizens in both per capita and raw numbers than any other country in the world. More than China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea…
You support the fact that we have the largest domestic surveillance state ever perpetrated on a society in the history of human civilization.
You love consumptions spending on military.
You support the most authoritarian president in modern history.
What do you primarily oppose; the government helping people and facilitating access to healthcare and education.
You literally have the most twisted political ideology imaginable at this point.
But to pretend you are “small government” conservatives is flat bullshit.
Supporting the increasing capacity of the government to monitor, commit violence against, imprison, collect information on, and control the movement of the population is as far from small government as it gets.
And hating a mother who is willing to push back against government overreach is pathetic.
Dafuk?
North Korea has a lesasort police state than the USA?
The former Soviet Union?
The current Russia?
-England- with cameras all over the place in cities?
….
You are out of your mind to make a statement like that. Even by -your- ass-pull rhetorical style it is sub-par.
There is nothing more “big government” than a government controlling or monitoring free movement of its citizens. You would be correct except for the fact that this stop had nothing to do with “monitoring free movement” of anyone. Celebrate and support police violence on citizens. I haven’t seen that at all. Hyperbole much? What I have seen is appreciation for law enforcement enforcing the laws. Unwarranted and excessive violence by the police is not something conservatives believe in. However, Liberals and criminals seem to believe that they should be able to act, commit violence, and break laws against people and property with impunity. Love spending on increased police and equipment. Most conservative I know are against militarizing the police. However, since you seem to thing that increased police and equipment spending is a bad thing, why did you support the stimulus package which included more money for police and equipment? Are you trying to say that President Obama and the Democrats who pushed that through are conservatives? Are you really trying to do that with a straight face? You support the fact that we have the largest domestic surveillance state ever perpetrated on a society in the history of human civilization. I guess you have never been to places like China, North Korea and even places in Europe. Sorry to tell you this but your opinion doesn’t outweigh facts. What do you primarily oppose; the government helping people and facilitating access to healthcare and education. Wow. That was shifting of the goalposts. Heck, that’s a totally different game. But because I am a nice guy, I’ll play. The function of government is not to help people. It is to protect the rights of people. People should help themselves. As for healthcare and education, your point is laughable because both have shown increases under Obama and the left for more monitoring of forcing people to pay for others health care and at the same time, supporting the limiting of choices in education. Supporting the increasing capacity of the government to monitor, commit violence against, imprison, collect information on, and control the… Read more »
For some reason, the terms “fellow traveler” and “useful idiot” just came to mind . . . .
I have questions about the “useful”.
Well, he couldn’t win here, so he deflected his silly ass over to the thread on the illegal immigrant Jose the Drunken Toper and made a mess over there.
COMMISSAR Commissar, the INSIPIDEST TWIT EVER INVENTED, couldn’t catch an Asian carp with a big net and firecrackers. What a waste of time he is.
I may burn in Hell for my next comment, but it’ll be worth it…
If Mother Teresa were still alive, she’d tell Commissar to go get fucked.
I think she might smack him first.
“I find it interesting how twisted “conservatism” is on this board….”
I find it interesting how twisted your definition of conservatism is. Perhaps it is due to your inexperience with reality vs. the internet.
A clue to start your collection of clues; The internet is full of hyperbole, venting, and braggadocio. Not to mention ignorance, some willful, some innocent. Some is meant seriously, some not. The discerning, experienced viewer knows this and takes most of what is said with a grain of salt. “Trust but verify”, as a dead white male once said.
I tire. Adieu
Dear Lars,
TL;DR.
And by the way POE; you are focused on getting upset about a mother not answering questions at a border checkpoint…, how come nothing in the administration is on your radar?
The Trump administration will begin to disintegrate by the end of the year. I expect mass resignations among Trump administration folks by Christmas.
Trump has single handily done more damage to republicans than any president or any liberal politician in at least a half a century.
All of the following political careers are terminal under the Trump administration or during the campaign;
Jeff Sessions (done, he refuses to obstruct justice for Trump so he won’t last the year and he lost his Senate seat when he foolishly joined the toxic administration).
Paul Ryan (proved to the world he was no policy genius through his disastrous bill, and that he has no leadership strength by acting like a spineless sycophant in dealing with the administration)
Chris Christie
Reince Priebus
Ted Cruz (his entire remaining political reputation is based on the fact that he annoys Trump)
Marco Rubio
Soon to be on a terminal track;
Rudy Giuliani (especially if he is stupid enough to replace Sessions).
Mitch McConnell (Trump is going to start blaming him for congress being ineffectual in 3, 2, 1….)
Trump has the lowest favorability rating since we have tracked the numbers and he is dragging the party down with him. His tendency to blame everyone else but himself for his incompetence is causing him to commit political fratricide within his administration and the larger party at an unprecedented rate.
How many republican casualties will Trump create before he is done?
How many republicans are left that are willing to have anything to do with the administration.
Due to Trump the republican party faces losing control of congress in a midterm race for the first time in at least 65 years.
Clean up on Aisle 4…
Um, Lars, seems that your prognostications are a bit suspect around here. Weren’t you snickering about a huge Republican loss back in the early fall?
Wasn’s something said about “get used to saying President Hillary Clinton”?
Border? What border? The checkpoint, as others have indicated, is more than 50 miles from the nearest ‘border’.
What border? Answer that question.
Actually you have a point in a few of those cases.
I will give you that.
I hate the GOP.
I hate the Democratic Party more, but the GOP are a bunch of fucking fools.
Its not about the people, it about them getting re-elected.
@ COMMISSAR:
You wrote: “Trump has single handily done more damage to republicans than any president or any liberal politician in at least a half a century.”
First of all, courtesy requires that he be referred to as, “PRESIDENT Trump”, not merely, “Trump”, as he is the President of the United States of America, and the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States of America.
Secondly, the Republican Party has destroyed itself, all by itself, completely negating any credibility, as they have repeatedly betrayed their constituency and stated principles for many years.
They are one of the reasons that voters were fed up with the status quo, and gave a landslide victory to President Donald John Trump.
Personally, my primary reason for voting for President Trump was my utter terror at the prospect of Hillary Rodham Clinton being in the White House.
I actually did have reservations about President Trump, seeing similarities in the crowd psychology which were eerily reminiscent of Germany prior to the Second World War.
But, as a German described those days, their choice was either the Communists or the Nazis, and they were terrified of a Bolshevik revolution being repeated in Germany.
That’s kind of how I felt when forced to choose between Donald John Trump or Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Now, IF ONLY, President Trump will fulfill his campaign promises to secure our Mexican Border, maintain our inalienable rights (i.e., “Amendment II”), and bring all of our troops home from all of those unnecessary and unjustified foreign wars.
I have hope.
Some people said the same things about the country when Obama was elected. When Clinton was elected, when Bush was elected, hell even when Jimmy Carter was elected.
We survived and all the extreme thoughts are ridiculous. The USA is stronger than one politician, or even 536 politicians in DC.
This line of postings by you seems to are a little more upset than usual, this is bigger than when Herschel was killed on Walking Dead kind of upset.
Commisar,
Are you currently serving? Are you a reservist subject to recall?
If so, would you please re-read the full text of UCMJ Article 88.
Then why do I not detect at least a wee bit of happiness, or at least schadenfreude, in your rants? Dude, for your own mental and physical health, you need to lighten up! Help is available! Even if your health care exchange is vacant, there are other sources. I am sure Medi-Cal has mental health coverage.
Once again, TL;DR.
Anyone who willingly gets on an airplane, train, has a driver’s license, etc., needs to STFU.
Federal law exists EVERYWHERE inside the borders of the US. Just because you don’t like it when being exposed for a beta cuck doesn’t give you the moral high ground.
Don’t like the law? Vote in people who espouse your views. But don’t be surprised when you get bit in your lazy ass over it.
Mindlessly submitting to this bullshit is the real beta thing to do you asshat.
Somehow you have yourself convinced that doing what you are told to do by the government is an alpha thing to do.
Do you trust the government to take your guns? No. So why are you s eager to defend it when it pushes the limits of the 4th amendment?
These checkpoint represent government overreach.
And a sobriety checkpoint is an entirely different thing and is regarded as constitutional. These border checkpoints have NOTHING to do with safe operation of a motor vehicle.
Two points, Commissar Clueless:
1. The SCOTUS disagrees with you that, as you put it, “These checkpoint represent government overreach.” Their opinion, a 7-2 decision, can be found at
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/428/543/case.html
The opinion says, quite plainly, that fixed immigration checkpoints such as the one at which this “lady” threw her tantrum are completely legal and within the authority of the Federal government.
2. I believe that should be, “These checkpoints represent government overreach.” (Subject-verb agreement and all that.) Even when you’re out to lunch, you should use proper English. That way people won’t be quite as apt to stereotype you as some half-baked twit who’s too lazy to either use proper English or research facts before waxing ignorant.
In your specific case, they’d be correct in doing so. Still – appearances do matter.
Tell ya what Lars, you try driving through one of these Border Patrol stops shitfaced drunk and just test your theory that these checkpoints have nothing to do with the safe operation of a motor vehicle.
Let us know if we need to write letters to the judge explaining to him that you were only testing your theory. That ought ta get you sprung mach schnell, Einstein.
Might be a good idea if he’s dragging around a bag of weed, too, Poetrooper, just to get the full effect.
I’d suggest he try that at the INS checkpoint on I-10 eastbound in Texas near mile marker 102, Ex-PH2.
Agreed.
I agree with her. I should not have to tell any Border Agent why im traveling down a road 50 miles from the border. The Patrol should be on the border not harassing people in our own country
There’s “harassing” done by law enforcement, to be sure.
Is it really harassment when someone goes out of their way to be harassed? She admits that more than once. If they police do that they consider it “entrapment” don’t they?
I used to live within 20 miles of a different INS inland checkpoint, passing through it frequently. As I recall, I was never asked why I was traveling. I was merely asked, “Are you a US citizen?”, then told “Have a nice day” after I answered. The same is true of the others I’ve passed through, some repeatedly, over the years.
I’d guess I’ve passed through such a checkpoint 200 or more times over the years. Not once do I ever recall being asked why I was traveling or what I was doing. Only, “Are you a US citizen?”
That’s what the state IDs and driver’s license are supposed to indicate, isn’t it?
Hondo, did you ever get an answer to my other question?
Geez-o-Pete. What a jerk. Every time you go through a border check point and the agents are hard asses think of this shreaking chicken head. You’ll know why the agents are acting that way.
If you want to see a real liberal Jerk in action…
I read the title. I real Lars’ comments. Which does the title refer to?
Title refers to the story, as the Commissar possesses nothing to jerk…
Now to completely change the tone of these comments: I noticed that the SD paper said that she was a teacher a Bell Middle School; more years ago then I want to remember I was one of the first students that attended a brand new Middle School-Bell.
Goes to prove how small the world is and how much it has changed over the years.
Stupid, self important and rude. Not a great combination.
And her biggest champion here is…..
Impotent Rage!!!