Michael Lamb; the records
A few weeks ago, we talked about Michael Lamb, the founder of Stoic Ventures. Back then, he had admitted finally that he wasn’t a member of any Marine Corps Force Recon units as he had claimed for years for the purpose of enhancing his business image;
“I’d rather just come on out and get it out there. There’s nothing more to say about it. I came into the Marines as an intel guy, started working at the NSA, and got some deployments out of it. The deployments were national intelligence teams [three letter agencies, ed]. That’s all true. But I was never Recon. Someone called me out on it, and I copped to it. It’s nothing I didn’t bring to my own doorstep. I could easily have shut it down, and I didn’t. It’s a lie I’ve been living for twenty years.
This is a soul cleanse for me after looking over my shoulder all this time.
I apologize to the community, to everyone for misrepresenting myself. I don’t ask or expect forgiveness. I can’t make up for what I did, but I can try to atone for it.”
Well, we went ahead and got his records anyway. It seems he was a Mustang LT after almost eight years enlisted, discharged as a Staff Sergeant (E-6). As an enlisted Marine, he served as a Morse Code Intercept Operator and the only deployment (singular) I see is five months with the NSA in Saudi Arabia. But he has the Kosovo (Kosovo Campaign Medal), but I don’t see a deployment to Kosovo. Then he went to Navy ROTC at the University of Arizona for a year, then off to OCS at Quantico and he got commissioned as an Air Defense Officer for almost 4 years – no deployments, no sea service.
It looks like as an enlisted Marine he did almost three years at Fort Meade, Maryland (NSA central) after more than a year of schooling. Then he did the commissioning thing, became an ADA officer, then decided all of that qualified him to tell people that he was a Raider. Aside from that stint in Saudi Arabia, he managed to miss the whole GWOT.
Category: Phony soldiers, Valor Vultures
Yep, he is a douchebag. Nothing more to say about it.
The guy was part of the MECEP Program (Marine Corps Enlisted Commissioning Education Program) which meant at one time he was pretty high speed low drag.
Two JSCM and two JSAM made him a very highly decorated young Marine especially compared to his contemporary NCOs. You’d think that would be enough.
One would think so but NSA is pretty free with the joint awards….
So how much enlisted and how much officer service did he have? Doesn’t look as if he had 20 years TAS for retirement, but I’m not the sharpest crayon in the box when it comes to figuring these things. Did he get commissioned, serve a few years as an officer, revert to enlisted and then get shown the door?
Youse who know this stuff care to ‘cipher it for me?
Chief, my totally inadequate math skills say he served a grand total of 11 years, 10 months and six days of active duty.
Add block 12 (c)+(d) of the second DD214. He was enlisted and went to ROTC and OCS to become an officer.
Thanks, guys, appreciate it. I see … take the most recent 214 and add the two lines.
Wonder what came about he was OTD with almost 12 years? Man, I’m thinking it wasn’t voluntary. What is that old saying, once someone has a certain number of years of service? “I could do x more years standing on my head to get to 20.” I think that magical x number, for me, was around years 8 – 10. I was blessed, though, b/c I really enjoyed my job. It kinda sucked later, though, when my duties included riding a desk.
While I saw a lot of USMC officers not Augment to regulars and get out it was usually a semi-choice.
I may be outdated in my info but it used to be that unless you were a Service Academy graduate Marine Officers were given a Reserve Commission and would serve 4 years active.
About the end of that 4 years two things would happen. They would be eligible for Captain (0-3) and there would be an Augmentation Board.
The vast majority would be selected for Captain, but not so much augmented.
They would be be discharged into the IRR.
Many Officers knew this coming in and planned on it. They were fine officers and great leaders, but just like a lot of enlisted, they didn’t plan to make it a career.
Lamb here DOES NOT appear to be one of those who fit that mold.
He looks like he was an extremely smart enlisted guy who was good at what he did, but never was in a leadership billet. He walked the walk and was in a place and MOS where he got his command to put him up for a commission. It appears after he got said commission he was weighed on the scales and found wanting.
I also noticed no B Billet as either Officer or enlisted. Another sign of someone they don’t trust to lead. He did’t make the cut at Captain. 11 year Marines generally don’t pack it in unless they are told to.
Still a dildohead.
Took a crap all over his honorable service with his lies. Maybe a smart guy, but not a lot of common sense when it came to lying about his time in the Marine Corps.
“This is a soul cleanse for me after looking over my shoulder all this time.” – you’ll still be looking over your shoulder for a long, long time because your lies are out on the WWW, MICHAEL LAMB. Nobody who knows anything about you will trust what comes out of your mouth again…
What’s that they say? Yeah, THE INTERNET IS FOREVER.
“IntelPog:I served with Lamb at the NSA, Company B The, MARSPT. The wings are legit (Radio Recon) No idea about the bubble. It’s rare in the Radio Recon field, but it happens.”
Except, no they’re not, so, no you didn’t.
I guess they weren’t. The scuttlebutt was he went Radio Recon. I did serve with him at the Fort. Same platoon, we socialised, his wife and him had dinner with me and my wife at our place a few times.
I made a mistake about the wings, but yes, Mike was a friend of mine for a few years.
Everybody makes mistakes.
Your mom does agree.
Tough guy, huh.
You were intel? With playground insults like that, I seriously doubt it. I see you’ve stopped calling people “grunt”…finally figured out how out of place that was for someone pretending to be a Marine, eh?
General Discharge = Shitbag.
As do all sub-standard discharges.
Just ’cause I never saw it certainly don’t mean it doesn’t happen routinely, but, how does one start out enlisted, get a commission, then separate as enlisted? I’ve known folks who served honorably as an officer (in Viet Nam), separated, then enlisted after a break in service in a different branch as enlisted (for a job with no command stress), but on a single stretch of service? Never saw it and can’t imagine it in conjunction with honorable service. Commissioning remorse? What?
It’s probably not really all that productive to play conjecture here, but I am curious if there are legitimate reasons for it whether they apply to this guy or not.
…Is it possible that he got caught in a RIF where they separated him at his highest regular grade? If he was a ROTC grad, then he had a Reserve commission. I ask because I knew a couple Army Reserve mustang officers caught in the Great Drawdowns of the early 90s who were given a choice – revert to your highest enlisted grade and retire, or out the door with a separation package.
Mike
I was an enlisted Marine, got picked up as a warrant officer, made CWO2, made LDO 1stLt, augmented as an unrestricted line officer and made Captain then got out at 15 years because my marriage was falling apart and I hated my job (went from infantry as enl to adjutant as a Capt…it sucked). 9 years later 9/11 happened and I could only get back into the Army Guard as enlisted and I restarted as a SGT 11B…..ended up with 9 year AGR time and was 1SG of an infantry Co during OIF . I now have over 30 years including retired reserve and am waiting board action to restore my O3E for retirement purposes. I am far from alone and know of at least a dozen former officers like me including a COL who is now a CW2 but will eventually retire as a COL.
Wow, Guard Bum, that’s a heck of a trip you made to get where you are. Hoping for the best for you …
Thanks Chief, I dont regret a minute of it. I never did anything valorous but I did a lot of cool things and served with great people. I actually went to AFEEs for the Navy on my 17th birthday but got into a fight with a 3rd Class PO over my ship date (I was homeless at the time) and the NCOIC of the AFEEs station was a Marine SgtMaj. Boy did he hook me up! Shipped the next day to MCRD San Diego as an 0351….
Volunteering twice and serving in any way you could after 9/11 was valourus. So, there’s my 2 cents.
Count me in on that one too.
Thank you for your service.
There are two discharges there. One was at 02E after four years as an officer. In the Army that means he did not get promoted to Captain for some reason, which would mean you are not sticking around. I don’t know what it means in the USMC because I don’t know what the promotion timeline looks like.
I imagine if he was wearing unearned awards in the Marines and making bogus claims then, that would have gone… poorly.
O2E is an indicator that he was previously enlisted. It doesn’t appear that he was augmented (converted to regular commission) nor promoted to Captain.
Also, he was probably non-competitively selected and promoted to Staff Sergeant (E-6) as a result of his being a college student.
Absolutely correct.MECEP’s get promoted non-competitively.
Something is just not right about all of this.
If a USMC O2E in the 7210 MOS and with that much prior time in service was not selected for promotion to Captain during the 2009 timeframe, that is a strong indicator that this guy may have been involved in some sort of incident or adverse situation where leadership decided that it was best to just quietly send this guy on his way ‘for the good of the service’.
I had a CA-ARNG company commander who started out enlisted, went to the ARNG OCS program, eventually rising to the rank of captain, and then resigned his commission rather than leave “his” company for a rotation through the battalion S-shops.
He was after one of my stripes, for no good reason. I transferred out of his unit to an artillery battery. Last I heard, he was a buck serteant in some AR unit, while I was still a staff sergeant.
“serteant” S/B “sergeant”. This place needs an “edit” button.
Saw similar situations in the ANG. We had a prior enlisted O-5 who got passed over for O-6. He had 20+ years of service, but opted to revert to enlisted instead of retiring.
One drill weekend he was wearing silver oak leaves and commanding the Maintenance Group and the next weekend he was sporting SSgt stripes and working in the MPF.
We also had several E-6s and E-7s wearing Air Force Academy rings. They had completed their active duty obligations as officers but ended up serving as NCOs in the ANG due to a lack of officer billets being available.
OWB: in the Army, that scenario (separation or retirement as enlisted after RIF) was actually fairly common after Vietnam. It happened to one guy I knew personally.
Background: during Vietnam, the Army expanded greatly. Many junior officer slots were filled via OCS (it wasn’t practical to ramp up either USMA or Army ROTC enough to fill 100% of the Army’s new officer requirements).
The reverse happened after Vietnam – the Army shrank dramatically, reducing the need for officer personnel. This in turn led to a rather large number of Army officer RIFs during the mid and late 1970s.
Per law, officers without prior enlisted service were simply shown the door with severance (similar to a 2x nonselect today). However, by law officers with prior enlisted service could opt to revert to enlisted status and continue their service. A fair number did so – especially in the late 1970s, when the economy was in the toilet.
In the case of the individual I knew, he was nailed by one of the last post-Vietnam RIF boards (1976 or 1977, I think). In my estimation he was a fine officer, but he simply didn’t make he cut in the dramatically smaller Army of the day. At the time he was RIFed, he had somewhere around 17 years of active service – and he thus elected to revert to enlisted status.
He ended up reverting to enlisted status as a SFC. He retired about 3 years later. At 30 years, I’m certain he applied for – and received – his prior officer rank and recalculated retired pay.
Post Vietnam RIFs were a bloodbath. I had some contact with the Army and they were being cut off at the knees. I’m talking good soldiers who wanted to stay but were shown the door. I’m hoping, if it was possible, that some were able to return to active service a few years later after the fray calmed down.
I served with two Master Gunnery Sergeants in 1984 who were retiring. Both had been commissioned as 1st Lts in the late 1960s. They were both Captains who were reverted back to enlisted in the early 70s.
The USMC picked from the best of the SNCOs to do this. Many had over 10 years Enlisted.
I may be wrong but I don’t think any of the ones who were SNCOs ever were retained as officers and picked up general.
Wesley Fox, who was a 1st Sgt when he was commissioned was awarded the Medal of Honor. Most of those Marines were of mandatory retirement age before they were considered for promotion.
Does anyone know if any who were RIF were later allowed to come back on AD once the RIFs were done with? I don’t care what they came back as, just that they were allowed to come back. I ask b/c I knew some good Army guys who got shitcanned who had substantial TIS. I don’t think it was right then and I feel the same way now.
Don’t know. The only former officers who I met as enlisted later had been Army captains in Viet Nam, separated for some unknown to me reason at the close of it and later enlisted in the ANG. They were very close hold on having been officers at all and only a few of us even knew it. Most folks just assumed they had been Army enlisted.
Early to 70’s saw a lot of shuffling around between the services as folks settled into careers which may or may not have represented their prior jobs. At least in my unit, it was easy to disguise just what one did – nobody wanted to talk about Viet Nam. One assumption, fairly correctly applied, was that if you remained in your prior service was pretty good because so many excellent troopers were competing for very few slots.
A LOT of talent lost to the military. But civilian agencies picked up many of them, to the advantage of their communities.
“early to mid 70’s”
Needs a head smack.
This guy was never a member of Radio Reconnaissance either. Not sure who IntelPog is, but he records don’t show him being assigned to one of 3 Radio Battalions in a permanent or TAD status. So his jump wings are not from Radio Recon. Two JSCM’s and two JSAM’s are impressive, and possible from some small duration TAD’s through NSA, but I don’t see a Sea Service Deployment unless he did an Okinawa deployment as an Officer. The Saudi deployment was an NSA deployment, so it does not meet the criteria of 120 days in a Navy or Fleet Marine Force billet.
There are signal interceptors from all branches that serve on national strategic intercept teams. The three battalions are not the only Marines doing radio recon.
If you want to claim that Marines on these strategic teams are not “real” radio recon then that is on you. These teams are national level assets and tend to be much more high speed low drag than Marine Corps level teams. Though they are less tactical in their training and skill-set.
Where did I say that? I said specifically that he was not a member of a Radio Reconnaissance Team or even assigned to a Radio Reconnaissance Platoon because he had not been assigned to a Radio Battalion, where he would have earned Navy/Marine Corps jump wings. I was a Team Leader and never got to jump school and my team had 4 legs and only 2 jumpers when we deployed in 1993, we were pressed into an early deployment, 4 of us graduating from the RRIP and immediately to the MEU.
I am well aware of what the NSA offers and know quite a few of my mates who served in SMU’s and other billets, I also work with the Raiders, a few of them who were with me at Lejeune before I retired.
All I did was comment to Intelpog’s comment from the 5th of May post, that Mike Lamb was never a member of one of the platoons.
Commissar, there are three simple things you need to do.
1. Read the post. Then read it again. Slowly. Digest it.
2. Think about what you read. Formulate your response.
3. Step away from your computer.
My fault Mouse. When I left Co. B, the word was that Lamb went to one of the RadBns and went Radio Recon. Mike was extremely high speed low drag so it made sense to me. So when I saw he was wearing gold wings I assumed that those were legit. I know, I know, assumptions and all that.
It’s all good IntelPog. Lamb probably did some good stuff, just a shame that he felt that wasn’t good enough.
Couldn’t agree more.
So the exact opposite of Ricky recon claims.
Looking at the paperwork was a treat. I was an AMOI, so am familiar with this. Eleven years service, INCLUDING his time as a MECEP, where his primary duty was going to school. Air Defense Artillery officer. So, probably HAWK missile given the time frame. Which tells me he was probably not top of the top third at TBS in the old quality spread.
I work with a guy that was a Hawk missile and launcher tech in Yuma about that time frame. I’ll have to run this by him. He’s still bragging about the Hawk operator mass murderer.
This guy is a complete douchebag.
AND he grins like a meat gazer in a Football Stadium Men’s Room during halftime.
I goofed the dates. Yeah, no jump school and no scuba school, and no badges. Huh
TankBoy,
After taking a look at what Jonn has posted above, it looks like this assclown was actually a 7210 Air Defense Control Officer:
http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/MCO%201200_17D%20PT%202.pdf
‘MOS 7210, Air Defense Control Officer (I) (Capt to 2ndLt) PMOS
a. Summary. Air Defense Control Officers direct and coordinate fighter aircraft in the interception of hostile aircraft and coordinate employment of surface-to-air missiles.’
According to the paperwork posted above, he was assigned to Marine Air Control Squadron 1 (MACS-1) out at MCAS Yuma, AZ during his period of service as a commissioned officer.
So our ‘hero’ here basically ran some of the radars in the Marine Air Command and Control System (MACCS), which is in and of itself a critical role, but it also sure as shit doesn’t have anything to do with Force Recon.
I know some of the Marines who were in Marine Air Control Group 38 (MACG-38) during this guy’s time of service. I think that I might bounce this over to them and see what they have to say about this knucklehead. (MACG-38 is the HHQ for MACS-1.)
Semper Fi.
WHERE IS ChipNASA at? I hope he’s safe and sound! I hope he comes around soon because I motion for Michael Lamb to receive The Wall of Insults ®™.
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The first clue Lamb might not be wrapped too tight is the fact he did Morse intercept…
Saw the Fort Meade blurb on this. My mom’s side of the Family used to own the land it was built on.
Bethel Cemetery is on the base. 3 generations of my family are there.
Lived in Laurel, MD for a year while stationed at Bethesda before moving to Silver Spring for the remainder of my FIVE YEAR TOUR there. Meade was our Commissary and PX. Can’t imagine the traffic there now. It was horrible 72-77. From there we moved to Millington. I could drive to work in less than 5 minutes. Wow, what a change. Rent was also about 1/4 the rate for a house in Millington vs an apartment in Silver Spring.
Bass traffic sucks, as does traffic in and around the entire Meade area. It’s exploded in population yet the infrastructure is only slowly catching sort of up to meet the demand. Nothing beats waiting in traffic for 25 min just to leave base in rush hour.
Loved living in the PRMaryland so much that when an opportunity presented I moved back to Texas at the absolute earliest opportunity. Drove through the Laurel area – once – since then and it just reinforced my determination never to live east of the Appalachians again. Preferably not east of the Mississippi, either.
There is absolutely nothing in that resume to be ashamed of.
In my eye, it seems that he did quite well being enlisted then attending ROTC & OCS to become an officer and work in radio recon.
Why did he have to shit all over it ???
That is such a friggin’ waste…
Not sure what the deal is with his officer education – did he recycle at TBS? Has 2005 and 2006. Also has driver improvement training in 2006 as well. My USMC 214 from 1991 is a different format and had the month and year of graduation from TBS and MOS schools. If he was commissioned in May, he most likely was in F Company from June – December (loved the Quigley in December, BTW!) so he would not have crossed calendar years.
It looks like that 2006 TBS military education entry on his officer DD-214 is probably erroneous.
The reason that I say that is because the second page of his Chronological Record posted above shows him joining Echo Company as a student at TBS on (illegible) July 2005, and then he was ordered out to MCCES at 29 Palms, CA for MOS school on 16 December 2005. The record then shows that he completed MOS school on 20 July 2006, and he reported aboard for duty at MACS-1, MACG-38 at MCAS Yuma, AZ on 08 August 2006, where he remained until discharged on 27 March 2009.
WRT former officers serving as enlisted, I saw it a lot in the Guard and Reserve.
Had an E-5 in my section who wore aviator wings. At first, you’d think they were enlisted aircrew wings but when you looked closely – nope, Army Aviator. He was a former Captain and Huey pilot who got RIFd and came back in to serve his time out as an enlisted guy.
As others have said, the rules allow (or allowed, at least at that time) the soldier to retire at the highest grade they served in satisfactorily, so he could spend his time as a buck sergeant and still retire as an O-3.
Even weirder, I had a by-god Academy grad serve as an E-4 in my section. He attended the USAF academy, graduated, and then declined to be commissioned. He served 6 years as an enlisted airman, never rising above E-4.
I’ve never heard of an academy grad declining to be commissioned and he didn’t seem to want to talk about why he made that choice.
He was also a lawyer, in fact he was an assistant prosecutor in Denver county. Actually, that part wasn’t too unusual. In that unit alone I knew at least 3 NCOs who were lawyers in the civilian world.
Maybe some of the Marine officer types can chime in but how common is it for a 1LT to NOT make Captain?
By my recollection, in the Army it’s almost unheard of. Now, for a Captain to not make Major is pretty common – the cut from 03 to 04 is pretty severe.
But unless he’s a complete dirtbag, shouldn’t O3 be more or less automatic after 4 years or so?
I’ve always viewed an Officer getting out as an O2 the same way I see an Enlisted person getting out as an E3 or lower unless it was a Medical Discharge.
Can’t say it’s the same today, but if memory serves years ago the Army’s selection rate from O2 to O3 was 90+%. Not completely automatic, but not that difficult either.
USMC may well have been different, but my impression is that all the services have a very high selection rate from O2 to O3.
He was rockin’ the Dual Cool and it was a complete and total lie.
Good Men wind up getting killed doing the deeds required by those insignia – in ‘peacetime’ training – all the time.
Here’s one example of far too many:
https://www.pritzkermilitary.org/explore/museum/past-exhibits/seal-unspoken-sacrifice/eric-shellenberger/
Lamb, if you’re reading this; GFY.
I think he needs 50 rounds of the slam landing trainer and a week of IWPs for starters.
I’ve only started drinking though…I’m sure I;’ll get more creative before the night is over. While we’re at it… send that that little Grenada poser quimcheese mutherfukker over to join the party.
You wouldn’t last 30 seconds with mike lamb in a fist fight.
From seeing what i see that you post this site, you talk a big game online. You call people liars without checking things out. This site makes you feel like a big man. If you met me or Mike in a bar you wouldn’t say a GODDAMN thing. You called me a liar, so fuck you pussy
Do you know Mike?
Nevermind. I went back and caught up.
Lol. I may very well be a pussy, but I earned my MOS and badges which is more than you and your BFF can say.
I probably don’t go the kind of bars you and mikey hang out in anyway. 🙂
“You called me a liar..”
Well….you admitted what you said was untrue. And though I suspect you’re just a sockpuppet, I gave you the benefit of the doubt by saying “everybody makes mistake” which you responded to by disparaging my mother.
Carry on. 🙂
I also suspect that a sockpuppet has snuck in here:
‘IntelPog says:
May 22, 2017 at 9:17 am
‘[…]
When I left Co. B, the word was that Lamb went to one of the RadBns and went Radio Recon. Mike was extremely high speed low drag so it made sense to me.
[…].’
When has an actual Marine ever described a fellow Marine as ‘extremely high speed low drag’?
I think you may be right Mick. In the post right under this one by API, IP responds as if the comment about stairs were directed at him. Irregardless, IP has let his emotions get the better of him.
Maybe I’m missing something, but it appears from those documents that Mike spent more time as a student than anything else.
Nothing wrong with being a student unless it’s as a professional student, and I have known at least two people who were professional students because they were afraid to leave academia.
At the same time, Mike is quoted at the start of this article thusly: “The deployments were national intelligence teams [three letter agencies, ed]. That’s all true. But I was never Recon. Someone called me out on it, and I copped to it. It’s nothing I didn’t bring to my own doorstep. I could easily have shut it down, and I didn’t. It’s a lie I’ve been living for twenty years.”
So what’s the beef here?
I wasjust another everyday Leg during my time thus I’d be all in favor of him repeatedly falling up and down multiple flights of stairs multiple times.
Good luck with that.
This turd is about as rough and tough as a roll of Charmin.