More idiot hippie crap
StrikeFO sent us a link to an article in his school’s paper, University of Tampa’s “The Minaret” (Seriously?). The article written by Camilla Chabet is entitled “Military Service Preys On Fragile Minds Of The Youth“. Yes, it’s says what you think it says;
Although military drafts were banned back in 1973, it is not hard to see instances where military service is heavily persuading and aiming for young people. The army openly stated that it was looking to attract and recruit more young people.
The draft wasn’t “banned”, cupcake. In fact it may surprise you that the Selective Service System still exists, and all of those 18-year-old men around you at college are supposed to be registered for the draft. And of course the Army wants to recruit young people…cuz old people like me don’t make good soldiers. Dipshit.
I was perturbed that the minimum education requirement for a person to be recruited into the U.S Army was a high school diploma, while the minimum age requirement was set at 18. Even this requirement has been over looked at times by allowing 17-year-olds to be deployed.At the age of 18, and even with a high school diploma, a person is too young to be recruited into military service.
Yeah, most of the people in the United States only achieve a twelfth grade education. If teachers would get off their fat asses and actually teach, that’s all of the education we generally need. I went through most of my adult with just a high school education and when I did graduate from college, all I needed was the diploma because I learned more in high school.
They are young and still fresh. They are yet to be exposed to the real world, or even college, which is a diluted form of the real world. It is during the 18-25 age bracket that a person develops and tests their beliefs, it is at this time that they explore who they are and what they are about.
College has absolutely nothing to do with the real world. In college, you learn HOW to learn for yourself, your real education happens AFTER you leave college. In fact, college is so unlike the real world, folks in the real world giggles behind the recent grad’s back. The only thing you get from college is the sense that you know something.
I’d hire a twenty-two year veteran with a high school education before I’d hire a twenty-two year old college graduate.
t is in college that these beliefs are formed, fully developed and make up a person’s character and personality. People get to see a greater extent of what they hear about, they get to experiment with the process of making a decision by themselves and dealing with the implication of the decisions they make.
You’ve obviously never seen a twenty-year-old buck sergeant lead a fire team against an enemy. Or a twenty-year-old buck sergeant lead physical training. What have you done in your pathetic little college student life? Planned a kegger?
This is clear when observing the choices made by a freshman at college, compared to those of a junior or senior. As a person is exposed to more, they learn the difference between good and bad and right wrong; it is these that form the basis of what a person chooses to believe in and the path of life they choose to take later in life.
Yeah, learning the difference between good and bad is different than doing the right thing. Hell, these days, most college students can’t even pick a major in their first two years. Because they don’t have to. Army recruits make their career choices before they even enter the service. They know what they want.
The main problem with trying to recruit people who are young and mostly fresh out of high school is that they are not fully aware of what they are going to do. Some people’s main motivation for wanting to join the army is the allure of adventure and being exposed to guns and actually being able to use them. A young man is willing to lose his life for a cause that he may not even fully understand.
Why? Because you were such an immature airhead that you didn’t understand at that age?
Young people are quicker and more aggressive at defending their decision to join the army as opposed to veterans who will tell you the thick of what it really is, without all the puffed up promises of glory.
You don’t know any veterans either do you?
The only redeeming portion of the article is the comments.
Category: Antiwar crowd, General Whackos, Shitbags, Society
Wait a minute…did them hippieassholes say that 17 year olds were deployed? I’m pretty sure that a 17 year old can still not get deployed.
They can join when they are 17.5 (I’m not sure about the .5, but that used to be the case when we got kids in high school into the Army Guard units.) So, they still have to graduate from High School, then go to Basic and AIT (army), then get sent to a unit…so that usually takes until they are 18 years old.
We couldn’t even let our 17 and a half year olds do a lot of things when they came to drill before going to Basic training… we just tried to get the fat off them so they could do the PT and stuff.
Are all hippies that fuckin’ stupid?
The only coherent comment I can make about this article is that I hope StrikeFO got in someone’s face about it. Preferably the author’s.
“Are all hippies that fuckin’ stupid?”
Yep, pretty much.
I just couldn’t resist so I posted the following comments on that article.
Gee, I actually feel sorry for the writer of this article since everybody else has taken her to the woodshed so to speak. I won’t add to the comments, I would hope by this time she has gotten the message.
I do have a question for the writer however. So what do you think of somebody who is serving in the military while attending college? You know the two things are not mutually exclusive. So while you enjoy Spring Break in Mexico or Florida that person serving may be completing some course work by the light of red lens flashlight in some forward located post, but yeah I guess they wouldn’t learn anything about the real world from that sort of environment as opposed to some frat house on a Friday night.
Some people read about history, some people write about history, but a very special and select group get to actually make history. My contribution was the fall of the Berlin Wall and Desert Storm I. Maybe you have heard of them.
“It is in college that these beliefs are formed, fully developed and make up a person’s character and personality.”
This is hilarious.
Christ, there’s some guy there who’s former military who thinks college should be compulsory. Yeah, because what college needs is to become even more of a glorified high school. My BA needs to be made even more worthless. Hooray!
Geeze, I took a few minutes to read the comments that were posted to her article source. Talk about being taken to the woodshed, to quote Just A Grunt.
LOL, The Minaret, Hmmmm. Says a lot to me.
Dang, it just gets better!
From a comment poster:
I’d rather have a buffalo take a diarrhea dump in my ear before I have to read that again. Are you saying that a 17 or 18 young adult, keyword being adult, is incapable of making choices? I’m a veteran and I served 4 years on active duty in the United States Marine Corps and I’m pretty sure that my prefrontal cortex was developed enough to point that murder was wrong unless it was justifiable. Maybe that concept is too much for you handle that murder can be justifiable. Lady, you also write as much as ET for Atari functions as a videogame, not at all
Hippies smell funny. ‘Nuf said. Hit’em with the firehose!!!
As an aside, the University of Tampa is a Catholic School. I don’t know where the “Minaret” name came from, but I just wanted to point this out.
Maybe she should stick to pageants–or not: http://ctr.usf.edu/asa/MissAfrica.htm
Wow. And the crown of teh stoopid just got wrested away from Sandy Korn.
Dear Miss Chabet–may I call you Camilla? Well anyway, Camilla, by the time I was 22, I had enlisted (at 17), briefly attended college on an ROTC scholarship, found out that wasn’t for me, and went back on AD, and was on the verge of being on my first boat by the ripe old age of 22.
In that time, I learned a few things:
–College is, by and large, a joke, both academically, socially, and challenging one’s development or growth. I grew up faster in eight weeks of boot camp than I could have possibly dreamed in the two years of college I attended. While on AD, I finished my degree and found that far from being the “average” student when I left college the first time, I was in fact doing quite well with a minor application of effort. The only people who think college is hard versus the military are the ones who haven’t experienced the military, or either one.
–Decision making? Let me give you a bit of a lesson on that one. You make a bad decision, what’s the worst that happens to you? Bad test score? Bad grade? Taking a withdrawl (usually without penalty if early enough) from the course? A young NCO makes a bad decision, he/she ends up dead, and if they’re lucky, it’s JUST them, and not the rest of the folks in their charge. Hell, I’ll put you on a boat or outside the wire and see how long your “lack of understanding” lasts.
–Finally, tested? Don’t make me laugh. Honor, integrity, courage. When you can walk into an office and have those challenged by the decisions you make or are pressured to make, then you might be able to discuss being “tested” with us. Until then, stick to your protests, your keggers, and your “I’m so smrat!” attitude, because it’s gonna be a hoot when life reaches out and gobsmacks you here in the next couple of years.
These people live in a bubble. I am amazed daily what our young soldiers do. I don’t know how many times I’ve just watched as our kids run around a motor pool, prepping for a patrol….conducting pre combat checks and all the associated stuff that goes along with it. Half of them were in high school the year before and now their getting ready to roll down town Kirkuk or Kandahar and dodge RKG 3’s or IED’s. I knew exactly what I was doing at 17 enlisting in the Marines…hell I know at 10 thats what I wanted to do. Maybe a damm draft would wake thses idiots up.
This one beats the band. I half believe she is an escapee from some obscure Monty Python skit. My dear Camilla one day reality(the parrot is dead, deceased, etc) will intrude into your life, please be a little ready.
Yes, pretty much a moron, and not from this country. She is running her pie hole about our country, while she is a GUEST here–inexcusable.
Can’t quite figure out why they call their campus rag sheet “The Minaret”.
Although it’s been over 10 years ago, I was by that campus several times when stationed at USSOCOM back in the mid 90s.
Some of the old, original buildings at UT actually have the look of Russian Orthodox Church “onion” domes, but a minaret?
I don’t think so…
“At the age of 18, and even with a high school diploma, a person is too young to be recruited into military service.”
But, a person of the age of 18, without even a certificate from elementary school, can directly vote for Members of Congress, State and Local governments, and indirectly for our President.
Unless you’re military from a state dominated by Democrats – then your vote gets rejected.
I get her argument, but reject it as another example of kids trying to remain infants, under mommy and daddy’s care, instead of being adults.
Wow just wow. I can’t believe this crap made it on to that website. That is just plain grade A elitist bullshit right there. I feel greatly offended by that opinion piece passed of as journalism. My mom said it best when talking to my uncle about my decision: I don’t like it but at least it will make a man out of him. I doubt I could have done that in college, but that’s just me. Man they are tearing her a new one in the comments
I am actually offended for my friends from Kenya. I have worked with and served in Iraq with people from Kenya and they are generally a pretty patriotic bunch. Hell most of the African immigrants I know (real african-americans as a friend from Nigeria told me) love it here.
#18: justplainjason: most immigrants love it here. America truly is a great country.
I’m shocked… SHOCKED! to learn that the military is recruiting “young people”.
/Captain Renault
She;d probably crap herself if she could see the daily work being done by 19-20 year olds on the flight deck of a carrier. Loading ordnance, plane handlers, purple shirts loading fuel, Techs doing last minute tweaks to a bird. All the while 30-million dollar aircraft are taxiing, taking off, landing, being struck to the hangar deck.
These kids are all HS graduates, some with a little college, but every man jack knows their rate and what’s expected of them.
You can’t be trying to “find yourself” when you are a 20-year old crew chief responsible for a 30 million dollar (or far more) aircraft and the life of the crew operating it.
As was said above, out at sea, you eff up and people die.
She’s worse than a dirty hippie. She’s a frikken’ moron.
To prop up her delusional world, she has to believe that anyone who goes into the military is stupid or has been duped. If she ever realizes that they are both intelligent and informed about what they are doing, she will be forced to contemplate how they could be intelligent and informed and still be in the military.
At that point, her poor little world-view pops like a soap-bubble.
She is an excellent example why a woman shouldn’t sleep on the wet spot!
You just never know what will come out.
Obviously she has never heard of Jack H. Lucas….she is a poster child for post-natal abortion….just sayin
Thanks for the link, reading the responses to that poor excuse for an article was fun. 😀
“They are yet to be exposed to the real world, or even college, which is a diluted form of the real world. It is during the 18-25 age bracket that a person develops and tests their beliefs, it is at this time that they explore who they are and what they are about.”
I was drinking coffee when I read that and had to stop and wipe down my computor screen.
Funny how words work – a “diluted form of the real world” used to describe diarrhea.
You can join at age 17 as long as a parent or guardian signs that they give permission….this is the way I did it.
With that being said, I do NOT agree with Jonn that a high school education is generally all you need. In my opinion, the more education and knowledge a person gains, the better. BUT….had I gone to college first, I would have flunked out! And I find the 18, 19, and 20 year old students who whine their way through it to be like nails on a chalkboard! The Army most definitely matured me to a level where I could appreciate college.
As far as recruiters preying on young people, enlisting is a huge decision and recruiters have the pressure of a quota to meet. So I totally DO think they prey on young people. They’re generally the ones who WANT to join and they’re also dumb enough to buy whatever load of crap the recruiter decides to throw at them. I have lost count of the number of soldiers I saw at the mental health clinic when I was active duty who said, “My recruiter lied to me” and “He promised I would never go to Iraq!” And we were at war at the time, but they still believed it. Sad, but oh so true!
Anon,
I call shenanigans on your comments.
Every promise made to a recruit is put into writing, and there is a section in the enlistment contract that says that anything not written down doesn’t count, that the recruit understands that, that no other promises have been made, and that, in all cases, the needs of the military come first.
The recruit is required to read that, and sign that they have read it and understand it.
I’d say that the kids claiming that “my recruiter lied to me” are the ones lying, and trying to shift blame from their own failings onto someone else. That’s VERY typical in the liberal/leftist world, where kids are taught that they are “victims” first and something else second.
If you really believed these sob stories, then I say you need to find another job.
Respects,
>“My recruiter lied to me” and “He promised I would never go to Iraq
I know Jax– I hear it all the time from all the “poor, uneducated” recruits that sign up.. Damn, John Kerry was right!
So I’ve been gone all day and I checked the site and saw that the comments were up to 141. This is absolutely hilarious.
Jonn, thanks for the breakdown of the absolute asinine absurdity that it is this article.
To everyone else, thanks for leaving a comment to Dear Camille on how much you enjoyed her “creative writing”.
Ahhhhhhhh. Reading the comments, as you stated Jonn, made it worth the trip and time. Made my day. 🙂
If you want your head to explode, read “A Freshman at UT”‘s comment of total ignorance:
http://theminaretonline.com/2011/02/02/article16218#comment-1394
I read that shitstain’s comments and the sheer magnitude of stupid is staggering.
I would agree that many don’t know what they are getting into, don’t really read their contract, and trust misleading or vague statements from their recruiter.
This is the start of the first lesson in How to Grow Up and Be Responsible For Your Actions.
I went to college, did a brief stint in ROTC (poorly), graduated, got married, and enlisted. Only those last two were good decisions.
#27, The pressure is off for us to put people in, not that I felt it in the first place. Recruiters mostly fit one of a few types: a) Detailed Recruiters that are not used to failure but will not sacrifice their values. I like to think I fall into this category; threaten me, threaten my career, it doesn’t matter, I’ll be back in the Infantry soon regardless. b) Detailed Recruiters that are not used to failure and will violate their integrity to succeed. c) Converted Recruiters that took the leap because they love what they do; usually started as “a” above. d) Converted Recruiters that took the leap for selfish reasons (promotion potential, laziness, staying close to home, etc–for Reserve and National Guard Recruiters throw in compensation and stability); usually started as “b” above. e) Detailed or converted Recruiters that should never have been selected for the duty (or become NCOs) in the first place. I have a BIG problem with fellow Recruiters lying to kids. The LARNG guys and gals are really bad about that. That’s why I tell every kid I talk with to do their own research and back up everything a Recruiter tells them, including me. This is the information age, anybody that joins the Army under the assumption that they will not deploy (or who joins the Guard thinking they will receive active-duty pay after training) is truly stupid. I had one kid join the Guard after months of being told to go active by his guardians. He came to me in JROTC with a proud look on his face saying his Recruiter had told him, “Try the Guard, if you don’t like it you can switch to Active Duty.” I took him to the Colonel’s office and told him to Google “Guard, Conditional Release” to learn the true process and the improbability of getting a release. In a few seconds his world was crushed. Last I heard, his guardians had kicked him out and he was working a minimum-wage job to make ends meet. #34, None of us know what we are getting… Read more »