The return of ROTC.

| November 17, 2010

Hello TAH readers.  My name is Uber Pig, and some of you may be familiar with my work over at Blackfive.  I’ve been lurking for a while, waiting for something to say here, something worthwhile.  And then just a few minutes ago a good friend of mine, and a former Marine, emailed me this op-ed published in the Stanford Daily, as we both have a connection to that august university.  Fisking an opinion like this is quite often the hoary trick of an amateur writer, but in this instance I feel compelled to soil myself, and beg your forgiveness:

Op-Ed: ROTC is our choice. Let’s make the right one

While the debate over the prospect of ROTC returning to campus continues in print, the majority of the Stanford student body has yet to take ownership of this issue. But with the ad hoc Faculty Senate committee having already set a deadline for community submissions (Nov. 22), now is the time for allstudents to get informed and make their views heard.

Sorry, how does one take ownership of an issue?  And in what way is “taking ownership” of an issue different from just, well, discussing it, like adults, instead of pretending we’re in an alcoholics anonymous meeting?  But I digress:

One impediment to student involvement in the debate thus far has been the framing of arguments in terms of Stanford having an “obligation” to permit ROTC to return (Kyle O’Malley and Evan Storms writing in the Stanford Review on Nov. 7) or what Stanford “owes” students enrolled in ROTC (the Stanford Daily editorial board on Sept. 29). To be absolutely clear: Stanford is a private institution and has absolutely no obligation, legal or otherwise, to either permit or prohibit ROTC’s presence on campus.

And I’m sure this point is technically correct.  On the other hand, it’s probably worth mentioning that the federal government has no obligation to support research or provide money in the form of Pell Grants to Stanford students if Stanford University discriminates against the military.  Otherwise known as a branch of the federal government.

This is an important and exciting fact. It means that we, as students, have complete freedom to decide whether or not we want to permit the military of this country to have an ROTC presence on our campus. Obviously there’s no guarantee that the University’s final decision will reflect student opinion, but we can surely be confident that our views, if expressed openly and articulately, will play a significant role in the administration’s decision-making process.

Oh yes.  I can feel the excitement.  It’s electric.

So the question we must all consider is clear: should we permit the military to have an ROTC presence on campus? The answer will logically depend on what the effects of on-campus ROTC would be and, if the effects of on-campus ROTC would be positive overall, whether Stanford’s resources could instead be allocated in ways that would have greater positive overall effects.

One can debate the logicaliciousness of the positivicity regarding the effects of on-campus ROTC all day long to the student body in general, when the benefits accrue only to that minority of Stanford students who have availed themselves of the ROTC program.  While you’re at it though, it’s logically consistent to examinize how much positive value MECHA brings to the university as a whole when most students aren’t Arab, and how much positive value the various gay and lesbian support programs bring to the university as a whole when most students are heterosexual.

Of course, if the effects of on-campus ROTC would be negative overall, as my research has led me to suspect, there is no need to consider the opportunity cost of allocating Stanford’s resources to this cause. However, if your own research leads to a different conclusion with respect to the effects of on-campus ROTC, don’t forget to also consider the fact that, by allocating resources to ROTC, Stanford would not be in a position to allocate resources to some other, potentially more beneficial, project.

Which would those be, dickhead?  More frisbee golf?  !#%k off.

As for the probable effects of on-campus ROTC, one way to approach the issue is to ask why the military would ostensibly jump at the chance to establish an ROTC training center on our campus. Would this enable them to significantly increase the number of scholarships they grant? Probably not. The number of scholarships is largely determined by the military’s need for officers (which, incidentally, is currently quite low in all branches other than the army). And even if it would increase the number of scholarships or cause more students to join, I’m not sure that convenience should be the dispositive factor in students’ decisions to dedicate nine to 12 years of their lives to the military.

No, you’re not sure of anything.  Are you?

Would it enable the military to train ROTC candidates more efficiently? Again, probably not. While it may be less convenient for the students being trained, it is surely more efficient for large numbers of students to be trained in a single location than in multiple smaller training centers. (One exception might be if Stanford was to bear a significant portion of the cost of establishing the on-campus center, which would, in my view, be a highly questionable use of University resources.) So what would be the military’s motivation for coming here?

Right on, bubba.  Let’s send all the Stanford students who wish to train for ROTC to Reno or something.  Pool the resources, as it were.  While we’re at it, let’s do the same thing for people, like the opinion’s author, who hate the military.  Give them a place they can all get together and pool their resources and horror stories about the movies they’ve seen about Vietnam.  And then let’s call it San Francisco State University.

Michael Schwartz, professor of sociology at S.U.N.Y. Stony Brook, offered the following explanation last year: The military hopes a “highly visible presence on (especially a high prestige) campus…will provide the opportunity for the military to integrate itself into campus life.” He continues: “ROTC programs on…campus allow the military to burnish its image while presenting its distinct point of view about national and global issues to the campus.”

Observations such as these leave me seriously doubting the positive effects of on-campus ROTC. But whatever your conclusions, I urge you to take ownership of this issue. Do your own research, talk to other students and make your voice heard, while also remaining open to changing your opinion if presented with new information. The future character of our campus depends on it.

Sam Windley LL.M. ’11

Sam, I’m very optimistic about the future character of your campus.  On the other hand, I’m not optimistic about your future as an attorney.


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Snowman

As Wu says in Deadwood, “cocksucka”.

This moron’s question is, “Does Stanford need ROTC?”.
My question is: “Does ROTC need Stanford?”. Sorry, that’s not quite right. Better question: “Does the US need freaking Stanford?”

This won’t last. When California defaults and floats off into the Pacific, we won’t have Stanford to kick around anymore.

Cocksuckas.

Vince

Man, you waited this long to write this? You should have waited longer.

Old Trooper

Uber Pig; good to see a post from you over here at the Farm Team.

The dumbass that wrote this left one very wide door open when they said this: “This is an important and exciting fact. It means that we, as students, have complete freedom to decide whether or not we want to permit the military of this country to have an ROTC presence on our campus. Obviously there’s no guarantee that the University’s final decision will reflect student opinion, but we can surely be confident that our views”

What about when that person is out of Stanford? What if the next batch of students don’t feel as this moron? Does this come up for a vote every year? Is the fate of ROTC at Stanford something that changes year to year? Who does this chucklehead think they are to be so pompous as to deciding for future generations whether Stanford has ROTC, or not? It’s a decision for the university to make, not this numbnuts.

Matt

Wait, I thought the left was lamenting the gulf between the military and the rest of society? Or the gulf between elites and the poor, down-trodden saps who are forced to join the military out of economic necessity due to the evil plans, ahem, policies of capitalist, repuglithugs?

Oh, NIMBY. Ok, you are excused.

TSO

You pitch on the sarcasm today is just perfect.

The excitement line had me lol, but you had me at “TAH readers.” I wish I knew how to quit you pig. You are sum pig.

AW1 Tim

Good write. Great insight. Always good to read your stuff.

The biggest mistake that universities make is allowing students to have any say in how things are done. Pay your tuition and fees, show up for class and stfu.

Jerry920

AW1 Tim. I couldn’t have said it better. The results of students making these decisions would be disasterous. Not to mention that a University is beholding to it’s Alumni and it’s donors, not the beer bong-swilling-spring-breakers that make up the student body.

Old Tanker

These are the same leftists that want to bring back the draft….then get college deferments to get out of it. The biggest decision they should be making right now is which party to go to this weekend and whether or not to change the bong water.

PintoNag

I attended a college that had an ROTC program. Except for the building that had “Army ROTC” over the door, and seeing their formations occassionally, they were essentially invisible to the vast majority of students.
Except, of course, for the anti-establishment types, who couldn’t forget ROTC was there, and who apparently couldn’t sleep at night unless they’d thought of some way to make the ROTC cadets’ lives miserable. It was a pathetic display of thoughtless self-righteousness by a bunch of educated idiots, as far as I could see.

George

What are these kids expecting by having ROTC on the campus? Are they expecting some sort military parade replete with tanks and missle trucks ala North Korea or Soviet Russia? Are they expecting the ROTC cadets to become the new school bully?

Or is it that having young men and women wearing a military uniform around their campus a daily reminder of their deeply hidden cowardice that they cover under the guise of being a “politically informed, progressive student”?

I’m thinking it’s the latter.

WOTN

Welcome to the site UberPig. I’ll certainly see more of your work here.

It is long past time that all federal funding to include grants, loans, and subsidies be withheld from Universities that refuse a ROTC presence.

The only “vote” that should be considered in establishing a ROTC presence is the number of students signing up for it. I’m not certain there’d be enough interest to warrant the Military expense of putting a ROTC in place there, but the original author needs to get out of the mudpit of partisanship and recognize that open-mindedness means considering the opinions and arguments of opposing views, including those of individuals with a “distinctly military” point of view.

I have no doubt the author will have a successful legal career. The left coast loves lawyers more concerned with left-wing partisanship/activism than the rule of law and US Constitution.

Scott

The comments ‘neath the original op-ed are worth a read too.

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2010/11/16/op-ed-rotc-is-our-choice-let’s-make-the-right-one/

Jacobite

It’s encouraging to see the comments there, at least at this point, primarily take the author to the proverbial woodshed, and provide much of the information that was originally lacking.

Ryan

I’m Uber’s good friend and I want to thank everyone for commenting, I encourage anyone to reply in the comments over at the Stanford daily, Scott has the link so good to go. Word’s been getting around and believe me when I say this, the small group of ROTC students on deck here on Campus need’s everyone’s support, there a great group of people. I think it was the ROTC who was responsible for coordinating the BBQ at Sigma Nu. Uber didn’t mention is that Veterans day at Stanford is a regular work day….Do you think the Stanford Daily would at all even recognize Veteran’s day, nope.

Ryan

I forgot to Mention the BBQ was the Veterans Day BBQ, the University didn’t organize it….it was the students and ROTC members.