Jamail leaps to Rapper’s defense
Dahr Jamail the pusillanimous little turd from Truthout who regularly calls the troops cowards and retards has leapt to the defense of Marc Hall in his latest excretion. Of course, true to form, Jamail neglects to mention that Hall threatened in his ditty to lock and load “30 rounds” on all of the “E-7s and above” in his chain of command.
Hall, (aka hip hop artist Marc Watercus), who is in the Army’s 3rd Infantry Division, was placed in Liberty County Jail for the song (click here to listen to “Stop-Loss,” by Marc Watercus), in which he angrily denounces the continuing policy that has barred him from exiting the military.
Military service members do not completely give up their rights to free speech, particularly not when they are doing so artistically while off duty, as was the case with Hall.
What does freedom of speech have to do with communicating a threat? Artistically or otherwise. Jamail shows his biased ass by making that editorial comment in the middle of his article.
Jim Klimanski, a civilian military lawyer, member of the National Lawyers Guild and the Military Law Task Force, who is closely following Hall’s case, told Truthout that he feels the military is overreacting to the case, and that it is simply a matter of free speech and that the Army’s actions violate his First Amendment right to free speech.
“It’s a political case, and the military should know that,” Klimanski explained, “I think they are overreaching and overreacting because of Maj. Hassan (who went on a shooting spree at Fort Hood on November 5), and I can understand that to some degree, but cooler heads should prevail and they should deal with stop-loss, and maybe we’ll get the case thrown out. One would hope that common sense would prevail.”
Hall is opposed to the occupation of Iraq, and had told his commander he would not deploy if ordered. His unit deployed to Iraq without him in mid-December, but this is not why Hall is in jail, as he was jailed before his unit was sent to Iraq.
A political case? How? There are no politics in the military’s decision to deploy soldiers into combat.
Oh, and to answer someone’s question from yesterday, it appears that Klimanski is a fellow traveler of fat little cry baby James Branum with his membership in the NLG and Military Law Task Force – Branum is a co-chair of MLTF.
Surely,the fact that Hall threatened to kill his chain of command and then mailed the CD to the Pentagon shows some measure of intent to do bodily harm.
But, if you’re worried about Hall, don’t. It seems that Jason Hurd is rushing to his defense as well. Hurd testified at Winter Soldier that he ALMOST shot an Iraqi woman…but then he didn’t. How atrocious, huh? And then he weeped at the thought.
Jason Hurd, an Iraq war veteran who has been assisting Marc Hall, told Truthout that he believes the military is overreacting to Hall’s song due to the November 5 shooting at Fort Hood.
“It really frustrates me that they [military] are reacting in such an excessive way,” Hurd, a member of Iraq Veteran’s Against the War, told Truthout, “When you are talking about communicating a threat, a threat has to be at something or someone. If you listen to Marc’s song, he’s not saying he wants to kill someone in his chain of command, he makes broad artistic expressions of anger….”
Excessive? Really? Let’s look at those lyrics again;
“[Expletive] you colonels, captains, E-7 and above
You think you so much bigger than I am? …
I’m gonna round them up all eventually, easily, walk right up peacefully
And surprise them all, yes, yes, y’all, up against the wall, turn around
I got a [expletive] magazine with 30 rounds, on a three-round burst, ready to fire down
Still against the wall, I grab my M-4, spray and watch all the bodies hit the floor
I bet you never stop-loss nobody no more.”
Nah, I can’t see where he threatens to kill anyone in his chain of command – well if I close the browser, I can’t see it.
“From a military that has us, while we’re jogging, chant in cadence about killing babies, to then come down on someone for writing an angry song, is ludicrous,” Hurd added, “Marc is just expressing the anger that 13,000 soldiers are feeling right now, because there are currently that many who are stop-lossed. All he did was make his opinion heard.”
Yup – cadence and threatening to kill your chain of command and MAILING THEM THE CD – same thing. How many of those 13,000 soldiers threatened their chain of command? I’m guessing – ONE.
Klimanski said that by nature, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will not end, and Hall’s song expresses concern over the possibility of his never being discharged from the military.
“He’s over there saying I have no control over my life. I could be in here forever. We’re not talking about a war that is going to be over next year. We’re talking about a war that could go on forever. So poor old Marc Hall could possibility be in the military forever. Once enlistment starts dropping, the Army maintains troop levels by keeping the ones they have.
Seein’s how you’ve never been in the military, Klimanski, let me tell you what saves soldiers’ lives; experience. I’ll question the Army’s wisdom to consider this bonehead’s experience valuable, but they must’ve had a reason. There are folks being rejected for military service EVERY DAY – they don’t have a retention problem.
Besides, Hall signed on for eight years. We had a guy return from an overseas assignment the day before we got called up for Desert Storm – they put his ass on the next plane back and he went to Iraq with us with a minimum of bitching. He understood the eight year thing – why can’t you wrap your noggin around it. Ever take contract law?
“It’s a song, and he puts it out to the public,” Klimanski told Truthout, “We’re not talking about a Major Hassan who is quietly plotting violence … this is political hyperbole. This is his rant on stop-loss. It’s political speech.”
You’re spouting legal hyperbole, Klimanski.
Hall, according to his profile on AKO, is a 91-series mechanic from Echo Co. 703rd FSB attached to an infantry company.
Category: Antiwar crowd, Iraq Veterans Against the War, Phony soldiers
Found the full song it goes as such.
Now this is real days
When [expletive] hit the airwaves
Somebody gotta say
[Expletive] you colonels, captains, E-7s and above
Think you’re so much bigger than I am
I’ve been too good of an American stop-lossed, stop movement, got me chasing
If I do drugs, I’ll get kicked out
But if my time is out I can’t get out
So the good die young I heard it out your mouth
So [expletive] the Army
And everything you’re all about
Like Obama says “Somebody be held responsible”
But some of ya’ll gonna be held in the hospitals whenever possible
To pursue my own journeys in life, through my own main obstacles
Since I can’t pinpoint the culpable
They want me ’cause misery loves company
I’m gonna round them all up
Eventually, easily, walk right up peacefully
And surprise them all
Yes, yes ya’ll up against the wall
Turn around, I gotta a [expletive] magazine with thirty rounds
On a three round burst, ready to fire down
Still against the wall I grab my M-4
Spray and watch all the bodies hit the floor
I bet you never stop loss nobody no more
In your next lifetime of course, no remorse
Yeah, you don’t stop till the Army is the only military branch
That still got the stop loss in effect
So the only thing I got to say
Is prepare for the consequences
When people want to get out, let them get out
“It really frustrates me that they [military] are reacting in such an excessive way,”
Gee, wonder why nobody turned in Hassan before his rampage…..
If you listen to Marc’s song, he’s not saying he wants to kill someone in his chain of command,
See John, Hurd is actually right on this one, Hall just said he wanted to kill EVERYBODY in his chain of command….
“in which he angrily denounces the continuing policy that has barred him from exiting the military.”
He VOLUNTARILY signed the 8 year contract well after this war was under way… Fvcktard didn’t read any newspapers with articles about G.I.s getting stop-lossed in the beginning phase of the war? Geezus, there was even a shitty “Stop Loss” movie produced some time ago. Fetch me the world’s smallest violin for this rapping retard…
And yet again, another pogue who has problems. Maybe if they quit coddling soldiers in Basic and AIT there wouldn’t be as many issues in the support MOS’s. You don’t see this crap coming from comabt arms troops nearly as much. That is because there is still some discipline instilled in their training.
“When people want to get out, let them get out”
When people are legally adults,they should read and live up to the contracts they sign. BTW, the Army is going to throw your non-hacking ass out which translates to no bennies you would have been eligible for had you lived up to your end of the bargain, LOOSER.
When I got out of the active Army, Honorable Discharge, ran across a few chapter cases: “Man, I didn’t know I’d loose my G.I. Bill & VA bennies, wish I wouldn’t have smoked pot, been a trouble maker or been a shit bird. It’s rough with this General/BCD discharge.”
Y’know if this looser assaults any one, active or reserve component, who’s an E-7 and up after he gets out of the stockade & gets his ham sammich & a roadmap, if they stomp, mace or kill his ass will the gargantuan death threat he made in his “rap song” make a case of self defense plausible?
Hey, does someone want to refresh my memory…..I forgot all the baby killing cadences……
We did ones about shooting up school yards and chopping up Moms and grocery stores. But at the end of my time they no longer allowed those.
You got creative after I got out…..I don’t remember chopping up grocery stores! I do remember one about a Casey though……Casey Jones, that I shall not repeat here as I am a gentleman.
“I went to the schoolyard, where all the kiddies play,
I pulled out my Uzi,
and I began to spray,
left right left right left right kill.”
Old Tanker, even in the Marine Corps the only brutal songs I remember are one from “Officer and a Gentleman” about “napalm sticks to kids” and one with “we rape, we kill, we mutilate.” That was in the 80’s and seldom sung by anyone while running since they weren’t popular. By the early 90’s the songs were cleaned up some, although away from female earshot, the Casey Jones’ song got sung alot. We used Chesty Puller driving an Amtrac instead of Casey and his train. Casey, whoever came up with that ditty didn’t know how to set a proper cadence.
I was Army in the eighties and early nineties and we didn’t have any like that……
Being a tanker, Casey Jones drove a tank, not a train…..
Is anyone surprised that this douche turns a wrench instead of humping a 240?
It was ok to run too, but they banned it at Ft. Hood as far as I know.
Sheesh, some folks act as if tasteless, gallows humor cadences will make you into a Ted Bundy. Using that logic, I ought to have a closet full of severed heads from all the Slayer and The Misfits I’ve listened to all these years…
I do remember cadences which included killing babies to make sure they wouldn’t grow up to be commies which were altered when the enemy changed, but to be fair, that cadence was like ‘I wish all the ladies’ in that you never heard it much after around 2004-2005.
I don’t think the point is that violent cadence makes war criminals, the point is that nobody’s claiming the people singing that are communicating a threat. Just like people singing ‘I’m going to fuck the President’s daughter’ weren’t communicating a threat to rape her.
But they do not mail the sound clip to the White House. Even remote threats the Secret Service look into.
Just like people singing ‘I’m going to fuck the President’s daughter’ weren’t communicating a threat to rape her.
Who did that tune?