Age doesn’t always bring wisdom

| November 3, 2009

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Nucsnipe sent us this article about some geezers who watched too many Mission Impossible TV shows in their long-past youth;

Five protesters were arrested Monday after cutting through a security fence to enter Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor and through a double fence to reach Strategic Weapons Facility – Pacific, which stores and handles the nuclear missiles loaded on Trident subs at the base.

Arrested on suspicion of trespass and destruction of government property were Bill Bischel, 81, a Catholic priest from Tacoma; Anne Montgomery, 83, a nun from New York; Susan Crane, 65, of Baltimore; Lynne Greenwald, 60, of Bremerton; and Steve Kelly, 60, of Oakland, Calif.

The Navy reports;

…the anti-war group entered the base at 6:30 a.m. An alarm went off when they cut the inside fence, and they were “apprehended in accordance with standing security procedures for incidents of this nature,”

I wonder if they think they’re lucky they weren’t ventilated on the spot. Probably they never gave it a thought because that’s why the little chickenshits did it in the first place – they know that the military will protect them from their own stupidity. I’d like to see them try it Iran or Venezuela.

Category: Antiwar crowd, General Whackos

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B Woodman

Darn! And here I thought that the military’s policy concerning nukes WAS to shoot first and ask questions after.

Would have served them right.

Besides that, if they’d been shot, think of the money saved from not having to pay out Social Security and Medicare. (snark)

Nucsnipe

Having been stationed there in the past. My first thought was WTF. There are supposed to be roving patrols by Marines and IR sensors.

JuniorAG

Why couldn’t sheeple like these folks have been in the path of Chengis Khan’s horde or Hitler’s panzers???

Cortillaen

Interesting picture: On the shirt of the far left person (physically, to clarify), is that Arabic?

Spade

I’d like to know why they weren’t ventilated.

Not every terrorist looks like Bin Ladin after all.

AW1 Tim

The best solution is to simply shoot first, then toss their bodies back outside the perimeter for their idiot friends to collect. Or not.

Ray

I remember signs that said ” Do Not Enter, Deadly Force Authorized”. Too bad… I bet that would have put an end to this stupid shit.

A Heros Friend

AW1 Tim…Used to call folks like that good candidates for post natal abortion…just pointing out the obvious…

OldTrooper

Cortillaen: I believe you are correct, that is Arabic writing on the geezer’s sweatshirt. Hmmmm, I wonder what symbolism the geezer was going for?? Let’s see, I’ll be really smart and wear a shirt with Arabic writing on it as I breach the fence line of a nuke weapon storage area.

Yeah, I do seem to recall that anywhere nukes were stored, there was that nice big sign that said “use of deadly force authorized.”

So, why are they not at room temperature?

Cortillaen

OldTrooper, I’m wondering exactly what the shirt says. Wouldn’t some Islamic phrase or anti-American slogan be just about right for the nutters? Too many people with not enough sense in this country…

NHSparky

nuc–I hear ya–been a while since I was there, but I distinctly remember being told NEVER, under any circumstances, to get out of your car between upper and lower base. If you ever broke down, we were told just to sit there, and a friendly Marine would be along presently. I guess “Deadly Force Authorized” doesn’t mean what it used to.

Cortillaen

Anyone with knowledge of Arabic here to take a crack at that? The first word (read right to left) looks like ???, and the last letter ?, but that’s about the most I can make of it, and I don’t know any Arabic to speak of.

Toothless Dawg

I’ll take a stab at it … but not sure because of the resolution.

“I’m Dumb and I’m with Dumber –>”

Cortillaen

Bah, I guess WordPress doesn’t handle Arabic.

Army Sergeant

I believe but could be wrong that the Arabic reads “We will not be silenced”, which is a anti-discrimination anti-war shirt that I last saw sold in around 2007.

Army Sergeant

Also, I have to say, the priests and nuns, you really have to respect them, regardless of whether it’s a smart or tactical plan. They genuinely believe in what they’re doing, it has nothing to do with the publicity, and they are always very willing to accept the consequences.

OldTrooper

AS: Yeah, I used to see them every Wednesday morning standing across from Alliant Techsystems (formerly Honeywell defense) when I was on my way to work (yes, some of us had to go to work and pay for those that were standing across from the building). Funny thing is, during those nice crisp Winter mornings, when the temp hovered below zero, I never saw them there. I guess even dedicated peace principals don’t like the cold. Of course, every late Spring, just before college would let out, they would have a massive amount of protesters come in for it (30-40) and they would, like clockwork, get a couple of morons to cross the street and block the doors just to get arrested. 2 of the morons in the pic above were arrested. I stopped, one Wednesday morning, just to listen to what these people have to say every week. Well, they thought I was there to support them and welcomed me like a long lost brother (I felt so special), however, that changed once I started asking questions, because then the usual lefty tactics took over and they surrounded me and all started talking at once. They don’t like to let any dissenting voices be heard, let alone ask any questions. I especially liked the guy in the Che shirt, since he had been doing this since Vietnam, as he told me. The only one that I carried on a decent conversation with was a young college student. We had a very good talk, which wasn’t a debate, really, but an exchange of information in normal voices. The gezzers weren’t used to talking in normal voices so they continued to talk in raised voices and ask me questions without giving me the opportunity to answer before the next question was asked of me by someone else (usual lefty tactic). Well, they had had their fill and were leaving and I commented to the guy with the Che shirt about his ride (he got into a very nice new Mercedes) on how Cubans didn’t get the chance to own such a… Read more »

Cortillaen

AS, that translation looks correct. Running “will not be silenced” through a couple online translators produces Arabic that appears to match the shirt pretty well.

As for respecting them, no, I don’t. Having genuine motivations isn’t sufficient for my respect. For example, one of my associations genuinely believes the earth is dying purely because of CO2 emissions, but that belief, however genuine, is based on ignorance. I have no respect for that. As for the fools in this story, even if I thought they had come to their beliefs through a well-informed, reasoned consideration (I don’t), they broke laws and destroyed property that both serve to keep us safe. That tends to preclude any possibility of respect from me. I can respect someone who holds a opposing opinions born of rational, informed thought and acts on those beliefs in a legal manner. I can even respect someone who breaks an unjust law to demonstrate its faults. These people just strike me as aging radicals desperately trying to stay relevant.

Nixon

As has been said in other comments from various Navy folks, I’m surprised they didn’t get shot by the Marines. But, seriously, a “No Nukes” protest. Get some new material, you bums.

Gary

AS,

Do you ever think through what you are saying to see if it is reasonable? As Jonn pointed out, you now have to respect anyone who holds their beliefs tightly- NAMBLA, the Nazis, Pol Pot, the 9/11 attackers, and this list can go on forever. Another aspect of what you said is that you respect George Buch, Dick Cheney, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc, etc.

Nucsnipe

The local paper has a poll going. So far its 20% jail is too lenient, 67% put them in jail, 4% fine and forget, 6% thank them.
http://www.kitsapsun.com/polls/2009/nov/bangor-protesters/results/

Ray

OldTrooper,
When our Boat was going through Newport News we only saw the protesters on the days when a new ship was launched… you know, when cameras were there. I remember goi g up to them and saying “If you all really believed this drivel you’d be here every day”. Strangely that comment did not make the evening broadcast.

Later a few of us had shirts printed up that said “Nuke the Whales” with a pic of a big mushroom cloud on the front. Sadly, our command made us stop wearing them because “they don’t conform with Navy policy”. But for that one day we really pissed off some hippies 🙂

UpNorth

“You really have to respect them”, really, AS? I certainly would, but I can’t seem to remember one time during the cold war, when the same concerned priests and nuns ever protested the possession of nukes by the USSR. Can’t remember one protest against the Chinese nukes either. They may have protested silently, or in the back of the cathedral, but I don’t recall seeing them invite the media to one of their protests.
I do recall hearing some drivel about only protesting the US because that’s where the audience was.

Old Tanker

I do recall hearing some drivel about only protesting the US because that’s where the audience was.

or was that because they knew they could do it without REAL repercussions……….

OldTrooper

Ray: That’s just funny, right there!

If you put up a sign that says “use of deadly force authorized”; then mean it.

This isn’t a game. Protecting nukes is very serious business and should be conducted as such, especially in this era of jihadic nutballs wanting to attack military installations. I would bet a paycheck on the fact that if the first one through the fence had been ventilated, the others wouldn’t enter the site, ever, and probably would never attempt it at any other installations that have that sign up. That’s called securing the nukes.