Stolen Valor Act: UNCONSTITUTIONAL
By a plurality the court ruled the Stolen UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
I am currently going through the decision and the dissent(s) and will post relevant portions from them as the day progresses.
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The Stolen Valor Act was ruled unconstitutional by a plurality decision of the Supreme Court today. As I go through the ruling I will have more information that I will post here.
OK, so the way it broke down I felt was somewhat surprising. Thomas, Scalia and Alito were with us, as expected. But Roberts shifted over, which I had not expected. And so, our hope of a 5-4 win turned into a 6-3 loss when Kennedy joined Roberts on the other side as well. But, all is not lost, there is significant hope to be found even within a ruling that went against us.
Before I leap into parts of it, I wanted to show you what the Scotusblog had to say about the case. ScotusBlog is written by lawyers and constitutional scholars, and lays it out better than I can:
Justice Kennedy announced a plurality opinion – joined by the Chief Justice, Justice Ginsburg, and Justice Sotomayor – and concluding that the Stolen Valor Act infringes on protected speech. The plurality reasoned that, with only narrow exceptions, content-based restrictions on speech face strict scrutiny, and are therefore almost always unconstitutional. False statements of fact do not fall within one of these exceptions, and so the Stolen Valor Act can survive strict scrutiny only if it is narrowly tailored to a compelling government interest. The Court concluded that the Stolen Valor Act is unconstitutional because the Government had not shown that the statute is necessary to protect the integrity of the system of military honors – the interest the Government had identified in support of the Act.
Justice Breyer, joined by Justice Kagan, concurred separately, concluding that the Stolen Valor Act, as drafted, violates intermediate scrutiny. These Justices argued that intermediate scrutiny is the appropriate standard because the Government should have some ability to regulate false statements of fact. However, because the statute, as drafted, applies even in family, social, or other private contexts where lies will often cause little harm; it includes few other limits on its scope, and it creates too significant a burden on protected speech. The concurring Justices believe that the Government could achieve its goals in a less burdensome way, and so they too held the Stolen Valor Act unconstitutional. This opinion leaves open the possibility that Congress will re-write the law more narrowly. Three Justices, led by Justice Alito, dissented.
The main thing to take away from the Alvarez case is that the Supreme Court felt that the bill wasn’t sufficiently “narrowly tailored.” When dealing with anything that touches on a Constitutional Right, it has to be written as small in scope as possible, so that it avoids “chilling” speech which is protected. The Court felt that this statute was too broadly defined. But, it did hold out that other measures are available. I hate to start with a dissent, but Justice Alito ties together the opinion itself (Kennedy writing for the Chief Justice, Ginsburg and Sotomayor) with the concurring opinion of Justice Breyer (and Kagen):
The plurality and the concurrence also suggest that Congress could protect the system of military honors by enacting a narrower statute. The plurality recommends a law that would apply only to lies that are intended to “secure moneys or other valuable considerations.” Ante, at 11. In a similar vein, the concurrence comments that “a more finely tailored statute might . . . insist upon a showing that the false statement caused specific harm.” Ante,at 9 (opinion of BREYER, J.). But much damage is caused, both to real award recipients and to the system of military honors, by false statements that are not linked to any financial or other tangible reward. Unless even a small financial loss—say, a dollar given to a homeless man falsely claiming to be a decorated veteran—is more important in the eyes of the First Amendment than the damage caused to the very integrity of the military awards system, there is no basis for distinguishing between the Stolen Valor Act and the alternative statutes that the plurality and concurrence appear willing to sustain.
So, essentially what they are saying is that the bill needs to be written much like Fraud Statutes. This is already happening in part, as Congresman Joe Heck of Nevada has already authored one in HR 1775:
Heck offered a tacit endorsement of that ruling a few months later when he offered a new Stolen Valor Act that achieves almost the same ends as the one being challenged at the Supreme Court, while steering fully clear of the matter of speech.
Heck’s law makes it a crime to benefit from falsely claiming to have served in the military or have been decorated for that service. Individuals who knowingly lie “with intent to obtain anything of value” would be subject to the same prison terms: Up to six months for basic lies about military service, and up to a year for lying about receiving the Medal of Honor, should those lies be told with the intention of gaining a job, a reward, or other thing of value.
The bill doesn’t specify exactly what “anything of value” is, though a de minimis clause in the bill suggests it couldn’t be applied if the thing procured by lying is of minimal value, such as a beer at a bar. The thing in question must also have a value that is quantifiable, so lies about military service told with the intention of getting the attention, a date, or something less gentlemanly with a person at that same bar is also likely not prosecutable.
I will have more on this as I get through the reading, but keep getting interrupted with calls from the media.
Category: Politics
WTF, over?
So then, it’s legal to lie. What a crock of shit.
WTF is wrong with this country!?!? When pos liars can get away with this!
I haven’t been able to download it yet but I’ve read that the opinion was crafted in such a way as to leave room for Congress to revamp it and try again.
My sentiments exactly WTF?
@ #4 Let us hope.
Soup’s so happy, he just tore off back to the MCSS for another batch.
I can’t get to the decision yet.
I’m sure every individual who was sent to prison or fined has their lawyer calling them to overturn and countersue. Our tax dollars at work.
This and the fucking bullshit healthcare act, so pissed at the Supreme Court right now.
Stolen Valor Act – UNCONSTITUTIONAL
Obama Care – CONSTITUTIONAL
UNBELIEVABLE!
TSO, surely this doesn’t eliminate the ability for people to prosecute people who gain (financially, or possibly even emotionally) from lying about their service, correct? Eg, Johnny Idiot can claim he was a super-secret squirrel SEALRangerRecon all he wants, but if he seeks an AAA discount on those credentials and it is discovered, he can be held liable for the false information?
My tiny non-lawyer brain can actually understand the Act being ruled unconstitutional, but this seems more like a minor and unfortunate hurdle than a roadblock for pursuing these idiots.
Opinion is now available. What I am seeing in scanning is that the justices appreciate that the “Act nonetheless has substantial justification. It seeks to protect the interests of those who have sacrificed their health and life for their country by seeking to preserve intact the country’s recognitiion of that sacrifice in the form of military honors.” It goes on to say that a more narrowly crafted law may pass the constitutional test.
If they gain from lying, they should still be exposed, and I would think that many contracts (say for a job) have a clause about falsifying information during application. That would mean the company/agency/etc. could go after damages based on the false claims.
Additionally, falsifying government documents is still a crime, is it not?
It would seem there are other things to nail these scum on, rather than the SVA.
If you all need me, I’ll be down at Hopkins, walking around in a white coat and a stethoscope today. Tomorrow I’m heading to walk around the capitol building in a police uniform and then saturday I’m going to go BWI in my TSA uniform and try to get through security. Its my freedom of speech damn it!
#15 best comment ever.
I like it, VT! Maybe if we go in groups it would be an exponentially lounder message??
The reoccuring theme is that the law as written fails to prove that the false statements cause harm, particularly in those social situations where the possibility of material harm is much less (per their opinion).
(err, make that “louder.” Got a bit excited!)
I haven’t read through these thoroughly but I really do get the sense that the justices would support a more narrowly defined law. I think it was fine the way it was, but something is definitely better than nothing. Whether or not when can distract our elected officials from their partisan fighting to draft another bill is yet to be seen. Anyone from AZ that could appeal to Senator McCain?
I shall from heceforth be known as Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, holder of a JD from Harvard Law.. why should I waste the money going to harvard and becoming that, I will just say I am.
It was a good country while it lasted.
Words fail me.
I am calling on all Patriot Americans to peacefully march on Washington and to hold all three branches of government accoutable for the failings of each branch. I will lead …
My friend said now he is going to walk around saying he was the surviving member of the Challenger and they kept him a secret for so long cause it was all staged like the moon landing.
With these kind of decisions, this and Obamacare, we are really and truly screwed.
What Sparky said. 🙁
Hahahahahahahaha FUCKERS, YOU JUST GOT CONSTITUTIONALLY BITCHSLAPPED!
I think I’m going to mosey on over to ebay and see if I can score a Silver Star and a Navy Cross. You know why?
Because I can. Suck on that shitheads.
@26 When your taxes go up 35% to cover healthcare — ACROSS THE BOARD — you won’t be worrying about medals. You’ll be worrying about where you get your next meal.
Suck on THAT, fool.
#24, I just spit out my coffee.
we’ll just have to keep outing them and showing them to be the assclowns that they are.
The Stolen Valor Act is a narrow law enacted to address an important problem, and it presents no threat to freedom
of expression. I would sustain the constitutionality of the Act, and I therefore respectfully dissent.
Henceforth, I will no longer be Mr Wolf; I am now KING Wolf.
Bow to me, my loyal and humble servants. For I have won 3 Medals of Honor to match my 2 Croix deGuerre’s. This makes me supreme in all the land.
And should you try to physically harm me, you shall pay me to be brought back to health. I won’t have to…
Fuckers.
Bitch slapped? Are you illiterate 26? SCOTUS was clear that they appreciated the importance of honoring the sacrifice of REAL medal recipients with some protections. This ruling is not a condonation of douchebaggery or disrespect in the form of masquerading as a hero. If that was the intent, they wouldn’t have repeatedly stated that there was room to support the intent with a more narrowly written law.
Why is it that the people that cry the loudest about 1st amendment protections are inevitably the people who would do the least to preserve those freedoms?
Agree with MCPO…if they can march with hoodies, why couldn’t veterans march to force the bill to be rewritten?
I’m not disagreeing with you SkySoldier and neither was Alito, Thomas or Scalia. I’m just reporting what the opinion says.
Hey….why can’t I dress as a police officer?
@28 Yeah that made my day as well.
@31 You can be king but then I’ll use the God Code from Doom and become one.
Squid, I wasn’t implying that you were. Just copied that last line from the findings and pasted it here. I need more coffee, it is to early for this.
@33 I don’t even think that’s necessary – at some point, I’m sure a more narrowly-defined law WILL be introduced, and much like there are laws against impersonating a police officer (but you can still dress up as one for Halloween), it’ll pass. Lots of people, including liberals, realize this is important, but as it was written, the law may simply have been too broad.
@35–it’s perfectly legal for you to do so. You simply can’t CLAIM to be one if you’re not.
But yeah, there needs to be a rewrite of the SVA and this time, make it specific to where the assclowns who claim service in order to obtain goods/services or to influence others can be curb-stomped.
That includes you, Gallagher fuckstick.
A more narrowly tailored bill is already before Congress, HR 1775.
Problem though, TSO–the chances of this getting to the President’s desk are about zip point shit before November.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.1775.IH:
Still in Committee as of a month ago. Sorry if I think you’re wrong, TSO, but this bill isn’t going anywhere this year.
@35 You can. Provided you don’t pass yourself off as one. Otherwise plenty of strippers and teens on Halloween would be violating the law.
The SV Act just needs to be more narrowly defined. If some 22-year old idiot wants to claim he was SF in ‘Nam to impress a chick at a bar, and it works, well … he’s an ass and she’s stupid, but I don’t think he should be charged with a federal crime. Ridiculed? Absolutely. Criminal record? Nope. Making it such that the law is only valid in public settings, cases of significant financial fraud, or times of emergency might help.
@43. There is ample evidence to show that Millitary Fakers have done similiar damage. For instance some fat fuck pretended to be an SF officer took control of a collapsed bridge.
Or how about fakers scamming money?
I guess Stolen Valor is a victimless crime…so its ok.
@43…what might be interesting is if the girl gets into a relationship with the alleged hero and then there is some negative outcome (he impregnates her and then leaves her, his ruse is exposed and she is subjected to public humiliation by proxy, etc) and she then tries to file a civil suit, alleging pain and suffering from the lie and a relationship which may not have developed were it not for character judgments that she made based on the individuals claims of military awards. I don’t know if she would be successful but if she was, it might lay the ground work for demonstrating injury that has thus far, per SCOTUS, not been demonstrated to exist in most situations.
But here is the thing 43, there is usually another scam going on. To many stories about people being tricked out of their hard earned money because they think they are helping a real vet. Also with the people are going the be less willing to help real veterans because they will also think that they are suspect. I know that I do not hand out money to people on the street with signs claiming to be a veteran because of how many people play pretend. All of this with a large group of new combat vets coming from the conflicts for the past decade.
@ 26. Why don’t you slip into something more comfortable….like a coma.
You may as well take the US Constitution and burn the paper it is written on, for it is worthless now… And our Fallen have died for what???? (in vain I feel) next he will have Arlington bulldozed and made into a parking lot or better yet a Mosque. I AM looking for the America I know and love
It appears that the majority opinion condones lying as part of the human condition and that it is necessary. To me, that is the biggest crime of this decision. Justice Alito’s dissent lays out a very good case of how SVA was narrowly crafted and how similar laws punish lying. I think this decision is going to have 2d and 3d order effects beyond SVA that we cannot even imagine…
I guess they are saying we have a Constitutional right to lie.