Deshon Dorsey; PTSD as a murder defense
Top Kone sends us a link to a story in Louisville, Kentucky where three years ago Deshon Dorsey stabbed to death 24-years-old Portia Mills in her kitchen during an argument. Of course, it was his “deployment to the Middle East” that caused him to blackout and murder the young woman;
Dorsey said he doesn’t remember a lot from the day he went to Mills’ apartment three years ago. On the stand, Dorsey told the jury he doesn’t remember stabbing the 24-year-old mother.
“All I remember was that she said I was disrespectful and that she was upset,” Dorsey said.
Dorsey said he blacked out while standing in the kitchen of the apartment.
“I wasn’t thinking, my body was just reacting. It was like I wasn’t in control,” he said.
[…]
Dorsey’s lawyer said his client has post-traumatic stress disorder. Dorsey was deployed to the Middle East while serving in the Army National Guard two years before the murder.
I wonder where he was deployed in the Middle East. Someone needs to grab these lawyers by their shirt collars and make them understand how these false claims of PTSD are damaging the reputations of every veteran in the country. I understand that their jobs are to defend their client, but one would think that they’d find something other than these imagined symptoms of post traumatic stress.
Category: Shitbags
“Deshon” blacked out…hearing that, I would struggle to maintain an appropriately deadpan expression in the jury box
Well if that Blue Waffle didn’t have PTS, (which we all know is bunk that he didn’t) then I will certainly hope that he contracts it while in prison.
Deshon
— sigh —
And it’s The PTSD again.
These days it seems like it’s always a raging case of The PTSD that is blamed for making people do unspeakable things.
Hopefully, when the cell block boys are ready to serve up some foot long tubesteak, they’ll be asking to “pass the Deshon”. He’ll really earn his PTSD then.
“Pardon me, but do you have any Gray Deshon?”
“But of course!”
What was his MOS?
Where was he stationed?
Was he ACTUALLY stationed in the ME?
If so, where? And doing what?
Turd bucket…..
The piss poor judgment that Deshon Dorsey exercised to commit murder was also present during his time in the military. THAT is what should be crucial to his situation, as this indicates a pattern of piss poor judgement and the crappy behavior that comes with it. this “blocking out” explanation? Just lies, consistent with his poor judgment and questionable character.
What was his MOS?
And National Guard? Come on. We all know divisional commanders in Iraq and the Afghan of the Stan assign the National Guard units to the easiest and safest operational areas. The divisional AO is sub-divided in Brigade size AOs, and then they count the number of sigacts and assign the one with the lowest count and the lowest strategic priority to the NG units.
They will still get in contact, but nowhere near as bad as in the active duty infantry unit’s AOs.
I don’t even know what to say to this , but the NG has and is in the fight.
I never said they weren’t.
Well everyone has their opinion … I was just hoping for some comments about the shitbird in the story not what branch he was in. I don’t know your background but I don’t think your know much about NG units their capabilities and their contribution to current ops.
Seem to remember 155 BCT being quite busy back in 04.
Everyone who deployed was very busy back then.
How many fucking MOS’s do you have?
5 ..Regular Army / Reserves / NG / and now back in Reserves . Should have 6 “Barracks School of Law” is currently not awarded or even given recognition for an ASI.
Twelve years in the 20th Special Forces Group. AFG 2002, tiny firebase near Asadabad. Because we in the National Guard are sub-standard.
Are you seriously going to compare SF to the regular NG?
Besides, I am not saying they don’t do their part, but you know as well as I do that there is a selection process when assigning AOs.
Castigating the NG is not real smart. Many of us who spent careers in the NG and ANG spent much of our time training the active forces how to do the only job they had while we were doing both our military AND civilian jobs. A bit of respect for everyone who served would definitely be in order instead of pretending that only full time soldiers are worthy of regard.
If y’all just read Yef’s comments and think of him as Grouchy Smurf…he’s actually pretty entertaining.
I was never trained by the NG.
Ever.
That you know of. Or not. Doesn’t mean that others were or were not.
Personally, some of the most fun I had in my career was training Marines. Good times. I didn’t try to tell them how to do their jobs in general, but they needed to know some specific information which they could only get from us. So we passed it along so they could do that part of their jobs even better. Sure made sense to all of us at the time.
Fair enough.
I have worked Joint Service. To include the Coast Guard.
The USMC are an interesting bunch, especially the 0311 folks. Being an 11 series, we matched up well.
I will give you that.
Why are you making fun of my lack of intelligence?
Not everybody can have a high GT score. Or ASVAT.
And for the record, I have never claimed to be very intelligent. I get by, but is not nothing to write home about. You might be very proud of your smartness, but that is no reason to make fun of other people less intelligent than you. I get really sensitive about it because it is not something I got to choose when I was born.
This is what I got. I lost the genetic lottery for intelligence. I guess I should not complain very much because because I make up for my shortness of intelligence with my extremely good looks. My rugged exquisite looks is all I have. And no, I would not trade my looks for your intelligence.
Intelligence is overrated anyways.
I am going back to my safe zone, you intelligence discriminator. Intelligencist! Antisemintelligence!
You can keep your intelligence. I don’t want it.
Rip my lips: No more intelligence!
Persistence is often more important than intelligence IME.
Intelligence justice warriors are vastly overrated, Yef. They dress up in polyester suits, wearing ascots on a hot, humid summer day, and stand around holding martinis or highballs while pontificating about Aristotle’s espitemology, when in fact, they have no innate cognitive reference to it, but use empiricism as opposed to rationalism as a ruse to make you think that they do. They also clip the wings of birds to keep them from flying.
You just gave me a headache using all those fancy words.
Not funny.
Love you, too, Yef.
ASVAT?
It is ASVAB. How low was that GT anyway? 😉
I needed a waiver to get a waiver.
I think my recruiter got in trouble for signing me in.
Also, one of my drill sergeants told me if I ever told anyone he was my drill sergeant he would crush me like a candy.
Then the other guys started calling me candy.
Yep.
During the war in the old Republic of Viet Nam, guys joined the National Guard to keep from being sent to the war.
In my Basic Combat Training, our serial number on our dog tags were preceded by two letters, i.e., “US”, “RA”, and “NG”, which indicated our status.
“US” indicated a draftee, “RA” indicated an enlistee, and “NG” indicated National Guard.
My dog tag read, “MALLERNEE, JOHN R. US56934312 B POSITIVE LATTER DAY SAINT”.
(Can you believe I can still remember my original serial number after all these years?
A year later, when I was in Germany, the Army did away with those serial numbers, changing it to Social Security numbers.)
Our drill sergeant told us that “NG” stood for “No Good”.
I also remember when I was in a military police unit of the Utah National Guard, overhearing guys bragging about their enlistment was nearly up, and how they only joined the National Guard to avoid being sent to Viet Nam.
Only many years later, did I learn that at least a couple of National Guard units did go to the old Republic of Viet Nam, i.e., an infantry unit from the Indiana National Guard, which was used for long range reconnaissance missions (and it was Vice President Dan Quayle’s unit, although Dan Quayle didn’t go to Viet Nam, but remained in Indiana), and a combat engineer unit from Idaho, several of whom were Mormons whom I attended church with in Saint Anthony, and had them autograph my copy of the book, “VIETNAM: ORDER OF BATTLE”, by Captain Shelby Stanton.
I do know that the 19th Special Forces Group (Airborne) of the Utah National Guard, has been used for covert missions along the Mexican Border (and in Central America?), plus (I think) they served in Iraq and Afghanistan.
When the war in Iraq got started, instead of regular active duty units of the United States Army, it was National Guard and Army Reserve units that were being deployed, one right after another, over and over.
This irony had us Viet Nam veterans laughing, as we recalled that during our war, guys only joined the National Guard and Army Reserve to avoid being sent into combat.
This reminds me of that scene in the television series, “FOR LOVE AND HONOR”, where the paratroopers are in flight to an unspecified combat mission at an unknown location, and on board the aircraft after it was in the air, live ammunition was distributed to the startled paratroopers, and when they boarded the aircraft, the female paratrooper was ordered not to get on the aircraft, as back in those days, females were still prohibited from going into combat.
As you can imagine, these events had the paratroopers greatly worried, for all of a sudden, they realized they actually were paratroopers being sent into harm’s way.
One of the paratroopers actually was crying, confessing that he only joined the Army for money to pay for college, and he never expected to have to actually get shot at, and maybe even get killed!
Some things are never going to change. When I was in the Army my platoon Sargent called them the “nasty guard”. I don’t necessary follow his sentiment. During a job I had as a security guard one of my supervisors was in the Army reserve and he was dodging deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan and even Kosovo. It kind of made me sick when he was afraid to go to Kosovo because it was pretty stable by 2008. He could have enjoyed himself a year in Europe and they did r&r in Thessolonika, Greece at that time. I think he’ll regret that the rest of his life.
We all do not do it the same way.
Battalion 133 November 2001
The battalion next geared up for a series of movements unprecedented in the NCF. First, NMCB 133’s Augment unit was recalled to active duty from New York and surrounding areas.
In mid-November 2001, the battalion deployed an Air Det reinforced to Afghanistan in support of Operation ENDURING FREEDOM. Organized under the 1st Marine Expeditionary Brigade, the Air Det arrived in country on November 28 as Task Force 58.5 with the Operations Officer as serving as the OIC and reporting directly to Brigadier General James Mattis. The Air Det was organized into two elements. The lead element consisted of 27 Seabees deployed to Forward Operating Base (FOB) Rhino to maintain a dry lake airstrip and provide rudimentary contingency construction while the remainder of the unit deployed to Kandahar Air Field to help establish a permanent operating base by providing Rapid Runway Repair (RRR) and contingency construction.
Reserves in the middle of AFG 2 months after 9-11. Not a hand picked soft landing spot.
The NYARNG’s 42nd Infantry Division would like to tell you to kiss their ass, seeing as how they were deployed to Baghdad in 2004 and ran the show for a year.
Also, the PAARNG’s 28th Division would like to have you suck their dick, since they were in Ramadi in 2005.
^ outFUCKINstanding comment !
You really don’t understand deployments, do you?
Ok. Let me break down for you.
42nd divisional headquarters deployed to Iraq in 2004 relieving the 1st infantry division.
That means 42nd div took over the MND-NC (north-central).
Its order of battle, meaning the subordinate units, the actual land owners, were the active duty 1st and 3rd BCTs from the 3rd infantry division, and 3 NG brigades, 56th, 116th and 278th (Texas, Idaho and Tennessee)
Now, who of these 5 BDEs got the hottest spots?
And for the record, MND-NC is Diyala province and few other places NORTH of Baghdad. Like from FOB Taji and up.
So yes, the 42nd divisional headquarters run MND-NC.
Yef, you’re in way over your head. Your best option right now is more ears and less mouth.
Yef, I did over 20 years between Active and National Guard, and had multiple deployments to combat zones. My first deployment to a combat zone was as an infantryman to a little shithole called Mogadishu Somalia, and I am willing to bet that I may have shot my first man before you could spell your name.
Thanks for telling me that the National Guard doesn’t do shit though. It is arrogant jackasses like you who perpetuate the division between the components.
I don’t even understand why is this an issue.
I never said the NG doesn’t do shit. I said they get the easiest and safest AOs within the higher command AO because all divisional headquarters allocate land based on expected performance.
Do you really think an NG unit has the same capabilities of an active duty unit?
The NG units work hard and have a vital mission that lets the higher command concentrate the active duty units on the critical areas.
This selection process also occurs among active duty units.
The hardest AO goes to the unit the higher command is confident it can accomplish the mission.
It always been that way.
Were are you getting this bullshit from ? US Army for Dummies ? Easiest and Safest AO’s ??…right now as you reading this there are NG units in Northern Iraq in the fight . I don’t want your rebuttal .. I want you to smoke yourself.
Hey Yef
Some of my friends with Purple Hearts and Bronze stars from the 56th who were in that “easy” AO would like to invite to a party.
It involves soap, socks and a blanket. They say you can be the guest of honor.
When they’re done they’ll pay for a tattoo of your choice. Options include “Black & Decker” “Kobalt” “Mikata” or any other tool of your choice.
Or perhaps you can just STFU about things you clearly no jack and shit about
He just keeps talking and talking and talking. “The safest and easiest AOs.” Won’t admit he is wrong in every sense. Makes you wonder if he was even in any service. Any man or woman can google deployment Hx. It takes a real man to actually shut the fuck up and listen.
Jon the mechanic, only the 2nd BCT from the 28th div went to Ramadi. Well, there were 2 or 3 MP companies as well.
The 2BCT patrolled all the anbar province which freed the Marines to concentrate on Ramadi. The 2BCT was responsible for the area between Ramadi and al-habaniyah. They also pull FOB security for the 1st Marine expeditionary.
Also, they trained iraqi security forces, conducted KLEs (key leader engagement), and their engeneer companies did route clearance.
So as you can see, they worked really hard in support of the Marines in Ramadi.
I decided to join in on the conversation, this being my first post, because of how “ignorant” Yefs “but nowhere near as bad as active duty AOs yadayada.” You can google, research, and scholar all you want about information about Division or even Battalion deployments. You weren’t there for all of them. Nor do you know how much action each one got either. Naturally, Uncle Sam will deploy active duty Divisions to the spearhead because that’s what they are there for. But this dick measuring contest on who is bigger accomplishes one thing: division. Your comment is disrespectful on the grounds because it trivializes all those KIA in NG units.
My friend got deployed to Iraq (along with me) to a supposed “easy AO.” He was KIA’d. We both were in NG at the time. I’ll make sure to tell the VA to withhold my benefits on the grounds that I was in the National Guard and because I didn’t serve with active duty units who saw more shit than me.
I can’t let this comment go by without replying.
My history:
I served both Army active duty (CIB & Jump Wings)and reserves.
A couple of my Primary Mos’s were 11B, 19E, 19K.
I retired as an SFC. with 21 years service.
Some of my active duty time was an instructor with the Army Infantry School at Ft. Benning; 4th Army instructor at Ft. Polk (Tigerland), LA; 82nd Airborne at Ft. Bragg, NC; 4th ID, Viet Of The Nam; 84th Div Training Command (Railsplitters).
Some of the finest soldiers that I had the pleasure & honor of serving with were Army Reservists. Many of the Army assets are located with in the Army Reserves & Army National Guard such as Transportation, MP’s, Infantry/Artillery/Armor training, etc..
In the Iraq/Afgan wars, there were large numbers of National Guard Infantry/Armor/Transportation units deployed to combat situations.
“The active duty forces comprise 55 percent of the total DOD force and has experienced more than 80 percent of the total deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Reserve forces (Reserves and National Guard) make up 45 percent of the force and received nearly 19 percent of the total casualties.”
That 19 percent of casualties equate to approximately 870 KIA’s and 6170 WIA’s in those two theaters of operations.
https://www.thebalance.com/the-cost-of-war-3356924
Please don’t tell me that the Reserve & Guard units operated in “safe” areas.
Army, Marines, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard & National Guard personnel all SERVED, which is better than what can be said of the other 98-99% citizens of the USA that didn’t!
I don’t know if you were active duty and have a hard-on against Reservists/National Guards or you were a civilian and don’t have a clue as to what you are talking about.
End of rant.
National Guard SF guy I worked with on Bragg lost 3 limbs in one of those “safe areas”
Sky jumper, sorry you had to write all that.
There was no need. I said that the NG units were assigned to the easiest and safest AOs, not that they were operating on a safe area. There were no safe areas in Iraq.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
what safe area shithead- I was in Taji -This is not The Cold War or Rambo-First Blood or Southern Comfort.
Yef you are so very wrong ! I was in the Infantry and Alabama Army National Guard -4th Alabama 1/167th(M)IN -I did tours and earned a CIB. We where under the 4th Infantry/with a Brigade of The 82nd Airborne. Also I served in Panama ,Desert Storm,Somalia. I was a Gun Truck Operator/Gunner.
Thanks Hollywood.
Score another one for Crazy Vet Syndrome.
I am so mad I could go out and kill some Dorito’s.
And lawyers wonder why they are so despised.
IMHO about 95-98% of all Lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Yep.
Same with auto dealership mechanics.
Come on, Justice Rehnquist said only about 50% of California lawyers were incompetent. Of course we all know one who falls in that classification and he is insane as well.
Everyone hates lawyers until they need one.
Nobody hates this shit more than me. I’ve had and lived successfully since the early 70’s with PTSD, Vietnam 69′, thus POST TRAUMATIC, and worked with Veterans and Active duty military for 30+ years who really had PTSD, and not ONE murdered anybody! I also see now that that Hawaiian TRAITOR is claiming PTSD. Yep, I remember how I had an “iresistable impulse” to join the VC and NVA after my PTSD started. I’m sick up to here with it and it hurts legitimate veterans who do suffer from it. I hope they both hang.
The PTSD made me do the drugs, man.
The PTSD made me get a General Discharge, man.
Fuck this dude.
I had a commander who required us to find the “root cause” whenever we counseled someone. It was always someone else’s fault – well screw that. What ever happened to, “I did it, I’m not proud of it, but, I did it; now give me my punishment so we can all get on with life”?
^This.
I love getting caught doing something stupid. A) because it’s rare, and most importantly, B) that’s part of the fun!
Being stupid should hurt and punishment, to me at least, has always been worth it.
PTSD defense is just another way of sating, “We’re fucked and we know it, but we’re going to throw as much bullshit as we can at the wall and hope it sticks.”
Ugggghh….. Why couldn’t he blame it on ‘The Diabetess'(sic) and a Twinkie instead ????
The Twinkie Defence actually worked 😕 (sort of, downgraded from murderX2 to manslaughter)
yeah, and we’ve been hearing about Harvey Milk ever since…
re Dave Hardin’s comment below – you forgot not be allowed to buy gunz. For the babies, y’know.
Potassium Chloride injection cures PTSD…fortunately, murder qualifies him for the treatment at no cost.
This is a perfect example of why those of you collecting benefits for PTSD should be posted on a public watch list.
The public needs to know what kind of loons are living near them. I suggest they do an interactive map like the do for sex offenders.
I want to know if one of you veterans is going to knife me while I am taking the trash out Friday mornings.
Nothing more scary than a bunch of veteran Gun Nutz milling about like ticking time bombs waiting to spread their version of Freedom through violence.
You people need to be stopped.
Good one!
ROFLOL ! ! !
Chain gangs, they could build the wall.
Then bury them under it.
Did I ever tell you I used to help the local vet geld stud colts and bull calves?
Dave Hardin you serious? Are you a veteran or a keyboard commando? You know that is in violation of The ADA act? Also have you heard of The HIPPA Act? What veteran gun nuts are you talking about? What people need to be stopped? Anarchist,Antifa ,Muslim Brotherhood,LaRaza,Radica Feminist,or Environmental Kooks?You got a problem with me come to Phenix City Alabama!!
Dave doesn’t believe in the use of sarcasm tags.
“Also have you heard of The HIPPA Act?”
Before you lecture someone about it, you may want to actually know what it stands for and that it’s HIPAA.
YW 🙂
It isn’t HIPPO?
But I was so sure….
Chill, JDM.
Take some deep breaths.
Dave was being sarcastic (or engaging in satire) – as the majority of TAH can tell you.
What is not reported here was that he killed his girlfriend and locked her 2 year old kid in a room then ran off. TWO days later Police and Fire/EMS rescued the kid.
When they caught the guy, his lawyer tried to argue that stabbing a person to death in front of her kid does not meat the legal standard to be charged with murder.
Good one!
ROFLOL ! ! !
OOPS!
That was posted to the wrong comment!.
“Someone needs to grab these lawyers by their shirt collars and make them understand how these false claims of PTSD are damaging the reputations of every veteran in the country.”
That’s just it, most Lawyers don’t give even half a flying rat shit in hell about anything other than winning their current case or making a name for themselves.
Criminal defense attorneys generally don’t care about winning cases because they rarely do. They seek to mitigate consequences and provide a zealous defense to force the state to do their job. And getting paid.
Wow. Audie Murphy must have been a real danger to society.
Speaking of which, has anyone else noticed that in most of his westerns he never uses a gun?
PTSD is more dangerous to the one who has it than it is to anyone else.
I was a counselor at a sexual assault assistance center in Minnesota, and dealt on a regular basis with women who suffered from PTSD due to having been raped. Not a single one of them ever went out to kill anyone. Mostly they were afraid to leave their homes, or interact with others. They pulled themselves into a shell because “nobody could understand what happened”. THAT is PTSD, not some wild eyed, blacked out maniac killer who snaps one day and shoots up a school, or kills a woman in her kitchen.
I get latent PTSD just having to read the drivel that is posted here by the lot of you. It’s nauseating. You’re pigs, all of you.
yes…you should punish me..er…us
Withholding it is even better punishment….
Darn, not even a little bit of peril?
Nun… er, not at all.
you tickled my funny bone….Victory!
Good.
Deshon Dorsey the only PTSD you’re going to get is when the other inmates begin to play pin the cock in your orifices…nightly.
PS
Don’t forget to bring the prison KY (butter pats) back to the cell block from the chow hall…friction will not be your friend.
In this case, PTSD stands for Penis Transmitted Suppository Discharge.
I hope that he gets it each and every night from a dozen men that are endowed with a penis the size of a railroad tie.
Did the prosecutor perform his due diligence and request a FOIA on this guys military records? During cross examination or a rebuttal witness it might behoove him to have the facts about this fellows deployment service.
A couple of years ago, a prosecutor in Oregon contacted me when a Viet Nam veteran who had served in my Signal Corps unit in Saigon murdered his family and claimed Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
The prosecutor wanted details of stressors in Saigon (and there were a few!), so I told him what I remembered.
The veteran, who claimed he knew me, although I couldn’t remember him, was sentenced to death, and while on death row, died of an unexplained illness in the prison infirmary.
This case begs the question:
How long before the term “BLACKED OUT” is deemed to be derogatory, racist hate speech?
Don’t laugh.
If you’re familiar with Dallas politics, you already know about John Wiley Price.
If you aren’t, Google the name. He’s the guy who got bent out of shape, claiming the term “black hole” is racist.
He’s also the same guy who voted against honoring the DPD officers killed last year, claiming they got what they deserved.
Real upstanding guy.
This jerk? http://www.wfaa.com/news/john-wiley-price-and-his-assistant-ordered-to-give-up-460000-for-legal-fees/455542852
Well, he can just stop using my grandmother’s last name. That is anti-grannieist!
Since PTSD causes brain damage it does carry some weight to say that it may have some influence over a person’s criminal behavior. That’s for the jury to decide.