Mexico could invalidate 1848 treaty
According to some sources, a failed presidential candidate in Mexico has assembled evidence that the “Treaty of Peace, Friendship, Limits and Settlement between the United States of America and the Mexican Republic” of 1848 which ended the Mexican War could be invalidated because of witness statements from American soldiers at the time which claim that Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna was forced to sign the treaty;
Former Mexican presidential candidate and founder of the democratic socialist party Cuauhtemoc Cardenas and lawyer Guillermo Hadman found several legal arguments that would allow them to nullify the Guadalupe Hidalgo Agreement of 1848, imposed under U.S. military occupation.
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The case could eventually be presented to the International Court of Justice, but would depend on approval by Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, according to Hadman. He prepares to present him the documents with a march to his office in which he invites all Mexicans to join.
The course they really want to take is the one that the US pays Mexico for the use of the land over the past century, because if we gave them the land back, they’d just broaden their current shit hole country.
Category: Dumbass Bullshit
The old joke is that the Mexicans aren’t mad that the U.S. stole half their country; they’re angry that we stole the half with the good roads, clean water, and reliable electricity…
If they thought Polk was ruthless, they need to carefully consider Trump…
Santa Ana wasn’t “forced”, he had a choice, get his murderous, arrogant, worthless ass shot among other things, or cede the victory to the Texicans!
Except we built the good roads, etc. after we took the territory.
Back in 1848, Mexico & the United States were very similar economically, since it was before the US went through its industrial revolution.
Just when you think it can’t get more witless, along comes some failed third world politician and attention whore to prove you were wrong.
The dogs continue to bark, but the caravan has moved on.
If by “forced to sign the treaty” they mean “had just repeatedly gotten his ass kicked by the U.S. Army”, then yes. But since an option available at the time to the U.S. was to take over the whole joint, I’m thinking maybe Santa Ana made the right decision.
Hayabusa, they’re angry that that they can’t do what we have, and couldn’t, even if they got it back.
Also, they kinda miss that little historical fact that they took it from the Spaniards, lost some of it and were paid for it, and now have buyers remorse.
Everywhere those wetback aliens move into an area, it turns into a slum…..about like black neighborhoods….guess thats mess-i-co’s hope for America!
FA’ khemall and BUILD THE WALL!!
Let them take California back. They can have it.
Otherwise, they can just call the hundreds of millions that we funnel to them in military and general aid as payment on the land, and then end it in the next budget.
If the US lost California it would economically collapse as a nation.
California is the 7th largest economy in the world.
It represents 13.3% of US GDP.
It contributes far more in US revenue than it takes back in US expenditures, thus California subsidizes the mostly red states that contribute less than they take.
It’s institutions and companies own the patents to a significant percentage of the key technologies of the 21st century.
Many of the top universities in the US and in the world are in California.
Collapse? Hardly. And if we cut every 500kv/230kv line and the water coming in from the Colorado river, etc., CA would be a bigger shithole than Mexico in about a week.
Ponder that, Larsie.
You get your Electricity from Oregon, Washington, and likely even B.C. Good luck with powering those desalinization plants you’ll need.
Just keep telling yourself that, Lars.
How much does the US taxpayer pay in subsidizing California’s foolish experiments in socialism, plus other federally mandated requirements? I’m guessing that the other 49 will come out well ahead.
Lars, we’ve been over this already, and a California secession would be ruinous–to California. You remain a moron.
How’s that again, Lars?
“…Gov. Jerry Brown on Tuesday said the state is projected to run a $1.6-billion deficit by next summer — a noticeable shift in the state’s fiscal stability that could worsen under federal spending cuts championed by President-elect Donald Trump.”
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-jerry-brown-budget-trump-risks-20170110-story.html
California is -not- the seventh largest economy of the world. it is part of the USAA,and so counted. Soem secession advocates have -stated- that it would be 7th if separate, but they do not seem to have taken into account a number of factors: The loss of the relatively cheap power and water from outside of California. Were you assuming they would continue to get that water and power, gratis, or on low-rate terms? The loss of millions of productive Americans, currently resident in California, as they either flee the impending Venezuelation of California, or openly rebel against being disenfranchised from their birthrights as Americans. Were you assuming you would be able to command them to stay, and/or to obey? They are Americans, owing zero obedience to a notional Secessionist government. What of the burden California would assume of a population-ratio share of the USA national debt? And what of the value of all federal lands and facilities they would seek to keep? Did you assume that the Secession would not assume a share of debt, or pay for seized Federal assets? What of immigration? Would the Secessionists go largely “open borders”? That would seem to replace the fleeing USAians, but with what? When that “teeming mass” spills over into the USA, what do you imagine might happen? Would a US Naval blockade of the California coast be a likely response? What would the Secessionists do, write nasty Op-Eds and Tweets? Dude, -Mexico- would be in a good position to -actually- invade a notional separate California. Certainly the bottom chunk of it would be up for grabs. Or would the Bear and Red Star Cali-suela build a military with yet-higher taxes? And what will they do when a couple of Mexican patriots with a few cases of dynamite breach that power and water lifeline? (Likely on the USA side of the line. To a great deal of laughter and cheering.) Then what? Dude, you haven’t even begun to consider the unmitigated cluster-fuck that would transpire from attempted Secession, let alone a de-facto separation. The -best- case is a near-immediate reconquest… Read more »
Like I said, 1) California–which doesn’t have the soundest budget to begin with, would have to pay the US government for all federal property in the seceding territory, including the infrastructure on said property. Camp Pendleton alone will be multiple billions. Then there’s Edwards, Vandenberg, North Island/Coronado, Ballast Point/Point Loma, March, Hunter-Ligget, NTC, Miramar… Plus, DOD owns lots of land besides the bases. Then there’s Yosemite, Kings Canyon, Alcatraz, and other places owned by NPS, plus National Forest lands, BLM, DOE, FAA, etc. If you think the Trump administration will just let that go without payment up front, you’re out of your mind. 2) Seceding territories will see a mass exodus of anti-secessionists, including a majority of the entrepreneurs, managers, skilled labor, and public safety personnel, gutting California’s vaunted economy and leaving very little with which to get a handle on the resulting instability. Keep in mind that the spirit of volunteerism is far weaker here than it is back east. Look no further than the ongoing decline of volunteer fire departments in California as an example. Good luck with that! 3) How about defense? California’s army will consist of…what? People’s Commissar Commissar and a couple of hippies who don’t know which end launches the lead? Okay, yeah, I know, not all America-hating leftists are gun-grabbers, but the overwhelming majority of military personnel wouldn’t want to stay even if they could, they’ll be taking all of their hardware with them, and your available recruitment pool won’t be all that deep, plus most of your willing militiamen will be anti-secessionist anyway. And how will you train them, anyway? Hiring those nasty, nasty PMCs would likely be the only practical answer, and they don’t come cheap. See #1 above. How about equipment? That ain’t cheap either. See #1 again. China and Mexico both would love to grab some or all of California if they thought they could get away with it, and the Chinese have been building the capability to project the force needed to do so for the last 15 years. Why would they trade with you when they can just… Read more »
Commissar Commissar, former disgraced and dismissed member of the US Military leading a gaggle of cock-slurping snowflakes in rebellion.
PLEASE make this happen. I’m sure the militia’s forced to keep Ca in the US would be prepared to deal with treason.
Summary in the spot Military Tribunal and sentence carried out on the spot.
“California is the 7th largest economy in the world. It represents 13.3% of US GDP.”
What you neglect to mention Lars is that economy is being managed like Venezuela, and if that doesn’t change, likely with a similar outcome.
And how many of those successful business would stay there if Mexico took over you dumbass?? They’re successful because they’re not stupid, there’s no way they’d stay in an illiterate third world shithole.. Do you even think about what you post before it comes out of your hole, or are you really that stupid??
Oh, yeah, it sure is.
The Navy base San Diego does not belong to California. The entire training facility can easily be removed and relocated to any one of several places, including Little Creek, VA; Mallard Bay, VA; Newport News, VA; Groton, CT; Lake Bluff, IL; Corpus Christi, TX; Pensacola, FL; Jacksonville, FL; and Patuxent, MD.
All of those are already in operation, and would only require a minor bit of expansion to accommodate the additional personnel and logistics. And POOF!!! There goes a YUUUUGE butt load of USGOV cash, right out the door and not just in civil service jobs, but in money spent by Navy/Marine Corps personnel on liberty, money spent by the US government on all sorts of logistical things to numerous to mention here. That money will all be gone and jobs along with it.
A little light reading on California’s imported power problems:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2016/04/03/californias-growing-imported-electricity-problem/#703a87cf4469
[blockquote]Yet, beyond power rates 45% above the U.S. average, California has another problem that makes it less of a model than some proclaim. California now imports 33% of its electricity supply from fast growing neighbors, with about 65% of that coming from the Southwest and 35% coming from the Northwest. These numbers increase most in summer months when air conditioning loads peak. Imports have been rising rapidly: in 2010, California “only” imported 25% of its power.[/blockquote]
Yep, SDG&E bends me over hard every month as a result. Then liberal state politicians fine them for fires and stuff like that, telling us “Don’t worry, they’ll pay!” Yeah, they pay, alright, and jack up our rates to cover the payment.
Texas is self-sufficient when it comes to power. But then, we don’t have all those “enlightened” laws Californicate has.
Also – I happen to be part of an electrical cooperative. Periodically I even receive a (very small) refund check from them, and they are better than the commercial electrical companies about restoring power. Even after a hurricane.
California is well on the road to being a debtor state, poodle dick. As of 2014, “ByTheNumbers.sco.ca.gov , shows that the state’s 130 public pension systems are carrying $198 billion in unfunded liability in 2013, compared with $6.3 billion of unfunded liability in 2003”. http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/11/14/198-billion-californias-unfunded-pension-liability-grew-more-than-30-times-in-a-decade/
That’s just the pension funds.
And, those companies that own the patents are desperately looking for ways to flee that illegal immigrant dominated, deficit-spending hell hole before it totally collapses.
That’s what you get when your gov blows $25 Billion a year on illegals. http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-california-taxpayers
As usual, your “facts” are incorrect. They are massively in debt, seeking to get the rest of the country to bail them out. Last year alone over 350 companies many of them large ones, moved to Texas from Kalifornia when Perry rustled them out of there. Cannot address the patent matter so won’t.I have no idea where you got that GDP info, but it is incorrect as well. And the costs relative to their wetback protection and subsidization would be such that they would outweigh the amount they bring in to the GDP. But nice try poodle dick.
You mean all those worthless institutions of higher progtard indoctrination where one can major in wymyns’ studies, “queer studies” or chicano studies, with special emphasis on being a sparkelpony confused gender dipshit who is only employable after 6-10 years of “higher education” as a barista. Is that what you are referring to Berzerkely boi? Has anyone made you a General in the Commiefornia Free Shit Army yet?
Arizona could cripple California just by turning off the water and power. Don’t tempt us.
Could we bribe you?
After all, hydrogen dioxide is known to the State of California to cause death. You’d be doing them a favor.
More information for the Lars:
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Out of all 50 states, the state of California has been ranked as the worst state for business for 12 years in a row…
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California has the highest state income tax rates in the entire nation.
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Los Angeles now has the worst traffic in the entire world, and San Francisco is not far behind.
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Thanks to unchecked illegal immigration, crime is on the rise in many California cities. The drug war that has been raging for years in Mexico is increasingly spilling over the border, and many families have moved out of the state for this reason alone.
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California has some of the most ridiculous housing prices in the entire country. Due to a lack of affordable housing rents have soared to wild extremes in San Francisco, where one poor engineer was actually paying $1,400 a month to live in a closet.
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All over the state, key infrastructure is literally falling to pieces.
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Illegal drug use in the state is on the rise again, and emergency rooms are being flooded by heroin overdose victims.
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Over the past decade, approximately five million people have moved away from California.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-12/16-reasons-not-live-california
California doesn’t produce shyt anymore, little fairy gov brown has seen to that, that and the disasters, both natural and sacramento have bankrupted the country….the giveaway to the wetbacks hasn’t helped and there are so many of them now, they don’t have to give it back, they already have it…….good riddance!
“Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna was forced to sign the treaty”
Uhh, no shit. That’s what happens when you LOSE!
Yep!
“Here, sign this and we’ll quit kicking your tail all over the place.”
He had a choice. He could have continued fighting.
Come on guys, when has a force been hammered repeatedly and when offered the chance to surrender, given the enemy the metaphorical finger? Nuts. I can’t remember.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Those who failed at history are doomed to make an ass of themselves.
/sarc.
Dammit, didn’t clear the /sarc after I changed my comment for rambling.
OK, give them California and call it even steven.
Fuck that. Give ’em a couple of middle fingers.
Reposted…
If the US lost California it would economically collapse as a nation.
California is the 7th largest economy in the world.
It represents 13.3% of US GDP.
It contributes far more in US revenue than it takes back in US expenditures, thus California subsidizes the mostly red states that contribute less than they take.
It’s institutions and companies own the patents to a significant percentage of the key technologies of the 21st century.
Many of the top universities in the US and in the world are in California.
And you are still living the delusion, Lars.
But… but, he’s using emperic data!!
/sarc
HI doc! Thank You for Your service to the Marine Corps.Salute!!! Semper Fi
Reposted: CA needs the US more than the other way around, especially where natural resources are concerned. Ponder that little tidbit in the dark.
Yep. Would get kinda dry in much of SoCal without the CA allotment from the Colorado River. In particular, the Imperial Valley farmland would all end up reverting to desert, and LA would lose its lawns and many of its palms. Good chance that most of the Central Valley would similarly end up dry, since SoCal has a ton of people – and they’ll need drinking water.
Bottled water would probably be the sole source of water for drinking and bathing from around Merced south. And I’m guessing that would be going for around a buck a bottle – wholesale.
And they’d be drinking it in the dark, since CA isn’t exactly self-sufficient in either crude oil production or electrical generation capability. Too many years of “No” from CA’s enviro-whackos.
It would, however, solve the traffic problems on CAs freeways. Kinda hard to drive without any gasoline.
Not just that, it’s kinda difficult to make trains, buses and light rail run sans diesel fuel or electricity.
Those of us here in Colorado would be more than happy to keep all that water, and put it to much better use than the idiots in LA
Hondo, in reality, California has significant oil and gas preserves but the delicious irony is that Lar’s phony contention of economic independence would force them to drill for it, to construct pipelines to move it and to build refineries to render it usable.
And poof!…there would go their liberal pipe dreams of renewable power sources.
Good grief, are you suggesting they would be forced to un-green themselves?
The horror!!
You don’t seriously think that people like Commissar might actually think something through, do ya, Poe?
California does produce some oil for the commodities market, but in comparison to the Bakken and Permian fields, it is low on that scale.
You mean they’d be force to face reality.
HEY Babbles McButthead, if CA is truly what you say it is then why does the exodus of business from thee continue and what about their incompetence in maintaining infrastructure like the diversion of funds from maintaining the Oroville Dam to be handed out to illegal aliens and welfare flunkies? You lose yet again, Babbles McButthead!
Lars, do you ever shut up? Your claim has been refuted. Repeatedly.
Imagine all the good you could do in the world if only you actually were even 1% as smart as you think you are!
Repost it as many times as you like Poodle Dick, it still won’t make it true. Californicate would collapse in a week trying to pay for all of your socialist wet dream programs. Now get back in the basement before your Mommy puts out your wet bed sheets for all the neighborhood to see!
Not to mention his skidmarked tighty whities!
California can barely run itself despite all that awesome shit you talk about, and you think the rest of the country needs it like some sort of crutch?
GTFO here with that nonsense.. seriously, cram it up your ass.
Not so big on giving them anything. Cali has great surfing, hot chicks and of course, Pliny the Elder beer. I’ll fight for those.
Hmm.
Zampolit, are you, a -commissioned officer-, actually -advocating- for Secession?
I would have though you were duty bound, honor bound, to oppose it.
Your posts above appear to be in support of such a thing.
How would that work, anyway? Would a 51% CA majority in effect disenfranchise and de-citizen the other 49%? I see no mechanism in the US Constitution to permit that.
I seem to recall we settled the secession question about 160 years ago. Voting some people as non-citizens was also settled, a little more recently.
Democrats are still pissed off about losing both events. They are really wound up lately, thus the renewed secession talk, almost as angry as when they had their slaves taken away.
Taylor evidently didn’t get the whole “Oath” thing, evidently.
Actually seccession is not impossible. If Kalifornia petitions the Congress to leave, and congress votes to approve it, they are gone.
What they cannot do is just bail out.
I disagree. Congress can only do what it is authorized to do.
In no way, anywhere, is Congress authorized to vote some citizens out of the Constitution or country. At the very least, the 14th amendment would appear to say “Aw hell no!”
At a minimum, one might argue that a cosntitutional amendment would be needed to -enable- such a thing.
Congress passes laws, and this would be exactly the reverse of that original process to originally admit California into the union. And they do have that authority, having done it multiple times before.
Yup, -admit-. The US Constitution explicitly allows for adding states. It does not provide for separating them.
Remember, it was an enumeration of powers, meant to be quite specific.
An amendment would be required to enable the departure.
Settled matter, 160 years ago.
Hey Lars! Since you’re into reposting now, remember this? 1) California–which doesn’t have the soundest budget to begin with, would have to pay the US government for all federal property in the seceding territory, including the infrastructure on said property. Camp Pendleton alone will be multiple billions. Then there’s Edwards, Vandenberg, North Island/Coronado, Ballast Point/Point Loma, March, Hunter-Ligget, NTC, Miramar… Plus, DOD owns lots of land besides the bases. Then there’s Yosemite, Kings Canyon, Alcatraz, and other places owned by NPS, plus National Forest lands, BLM, DOE, FAA, metc. If you think the Trump administration will just let that go without payment up front, you’re out of your mind. 2) Seceding territories will see a mass exodus of anti-secessionists, including a majority of the entrepreneurs, managers, skilled labor, and public safety personnel, gutting California’s vaunted economy and leaving very little with which to get a handle on the resulting instability. Keep in mind that the spirit of volunteerism is far weaker here than it is back east. Look no further than the ongoing decline of volunteer fire departments in California as an example. Good luck with that! 3) How about defense? California’s army will consist of…what? People’s Commissar Commissar and a couple of hippies who don’t know which end launches the lead? Okay, yeah, I know, not all America-hating leftists are gun-grabbers, but the overwhelming majority of military personnel wouldn’t want to stay even if they could, they’ll be taking all of their hardware with them, and your available recruitment pool won’t be all that deep, plus most of your willing militiamen will be anti-secessionist anyway. And how will you train them, anyway? Hiring those nasty, nasty PMCs would likely be the only practical answer, and they don’t come cheap. See #1 above. How about equipment? That ain’t cheap either. See #1 again. China and Mexico both would love to grab some or all of California if they thought they could get away with it, and the Chinese have been building the capability to project the force needed to do so for the last 15 years. Why would they trade… Read more »
On the up side, traffic will be nil for every Hollywood event.
The ranging and rampaging pavement apes will be roasting Berserkely boi’s carcass over a fire within six to 8 months after the purported secession. Commiefornia of Mexico would start looking like some of the scenes in the movie, “The Road.” Anyway in the urban areas.
Saying it twice makes it twice as stupid.
Repeating a claim does not make it more true. It would be nice if you actually supported your claims, but that’s not your MO.
On a side note. If you all want to read about one very interesting political and military figure read about Antonio López de Santa Anna.
The guy had a pretty amazing career and life
Yes, he did. If he had honored the constitution in place at the time, he may have even made Mexico a great place, and kept the territory.
Democratic socialism
Ha!
Will Mexico bomb Pearl Harbor?
So is the game back on?
If the treaty is invalidated, then we must still be at war. Not sure Mexico really wants to go down THAT road.
Dunno – we could move in, wipe out the narcos, establish 2nd amendment rights for the general population, reduce the number of corrupt politicians…
Shoot. Sell it like that and the northern Mexicans may do like they did in 1836 and join the Texians and Tejanos in fighting against the overreach of the government again.
Mexicans are a pretty proud folk. They do not like us, by and large,and would rather have their own shitty situation than be occupied.
Tough folks, and few would roll over and quit.
I have always found that when I treat a Mexican with dignity, they have responded quite well.
They are a proud folk. And some Norte Americanos have treated them pretty shabbily. But one-on-one I’ve had about the same success as with anyone in the USA. That I speak passible TexMex Spanish and know somewhat about the culture doesn’t hurt, I suspect.
YMMV.
That is fine. I don’t like Mexico or the Mexicans at all either.
YMMV, USMC Steve, but I have known a lot of fine Mexicans, and been in Mexico (both the border area and deep central Mexico), lived with folks there for brief periods of time.
They are folks. Some good, some bad, some I’d just as soon shoot. Their political structure stinks, and IMHO the Catholic church just makes matters worse there.
But I have to say that overall I love Mexico as it was before the narco takeovers, and many of the Mexicans I have met.
My neighborhood is full of them. They all work. Their kids are all in school at all levels, including various colleges on full scholarships, NOT loans. Decent people, good neighbors.
Except for that whole contempt of our law illegal thing. Bet not all of them work over the table either. The vast majority take more than they pay in taxes.
jonp – do not confuse “Mexican”, “immigrant”, and “illegal immigrant/alien”.
There are many legal immigrants in my AO from South and Central American countries who are law abiding, hard working, decent people.
There are also a good number of illegals around, as well. And even of them not all of them are otherwise criminal.
Not to excuse coming here illegally, but having seen from whence they come, and the desperation that drives them to risk their lives to come to the United States, I cannot say that in their circumstance I would behave differently. When the choice is starve to death, be killed by thugs, or risk dying to come to the United States, I’d be swimming the Rio Grande at midnight.
Yeah, you need to drop the stereotyping thing, jonp. They’re here legally. So were my skating coach (Poland) and her husband (Chile), and the other two coaches (Russian, Ukrainian). Not all immigrants come from Mexico. Two new Chinese restaurants opened up south of me last year. Think they’re run by illegals? And then there were all those Russian Jews who came here as soon as the Iron Curtain fell. You think they’re illegals? Or how about the Pakistani cab drivers downtown in the city?
You really need to revise your thought processes on what an immigrant IS.
Just my observation that any invasion/raid would be essentially sticking our hand in a hornet’s nest.
Occupation would be costly. Not as cheap as the current mess.
“Stick around for a while” is -not- advisable.
Doesn’t that mean we can start a military campaign, and conquer that cesspool of a country?
Then what?
Tequila!
Without having to pay import duties!
Cue mariachis!
It was a joke, not a dick…don’t take it so hard.
The point, Commissar, was absurdly obvious: that this little stunt is poorly-conceived and could easily be turned against them.
Jokes are beneath the “Infallible One”.
Or at least, they appear to be beyond his comprehension.
Here’s the joke on Captain Infallible: Almost fifty percent (46.9) of California’s land area belongs to the federal government, that is, the collective ownership of the other forty-nine states should California secede.
Among those federally-owned lands are likely ninety percent of the water producing areas of the state, such as the Sierras and Northern California.
Try sustaining that wonderful economy with virtually no major internal sources of water, genius.
CAREFUL, not TOO many doses of fact, logic and common sense all at once, you might bruise his self esteem or worse, wound his inner child!
Jokes are one of the many things apparently beyond his comprehension.
What next?
Smash any that annoy us.
Deal with the inevitable “asymmetric” hits in the USA. These server to get us all wound up and back on our more typical “genocidal” war footing.
Smash existing systems and authorities in the northern third of Mexico.
Allow the northern third folks the opportunity to be their own country, protectorate, or what floats their boat, as long as they a) squish the idiots annoying us b) make token efforts to improve the border, c) defy and otherwise remain out from under the rest of Mexico.
In exchange for being the -recognized- Mexico, that gets all the remittances flowing though it, most favored nation, etc, etc, etc. And a chance to either a) run a mostly non-corrupt government or b) run the corruption themselves.
Not “nation building”. Quite the opposite. We erase the existing ones,and allow anything non-annoying to form.
Lather rinse repeat.
Not: terrorist reprisals work -for- us, by encouraging us to be our usual nasty selves in war on this continent.
Are we talking about Mexico or California here?
Yes.
We should have let the French keep it. Napleon had the right idea. Then all those gachupinas would be speaking Froggie instead of espanola.
I’m game for a border war. We could just take back the stuff we gave away, and bomb those two states that have devoted themselves to the drug industry by cultivating the coca plant, Erythroxylum novogranatense var. novogranatense.
“let the French keep it”
Los Diablos de Camarón.
Agent orange spraying once again.
Tragona.
El Kabong!!!
Bueno!!!
KaBlam!
So what is the end game. War with the US?
Does not seem to well thought out. I do not think a sitting President is going to listen to a European Court tell us that we owe Mexico lots of money. They can always come and try to collect. I think the Treaty of 2017 would lean heavy in our favor.
The end game is the same as every other third world shit hole – money.
Money – for those in power not for the people. They want to be just like Venezuela.
If they invalidate the treaty we should invade the country and destroy everything in our path…then install a military governorship like we did with Japan and slaughter the drug cartel leadership and cadre while we’re at it.
Mexico is a knife edge away from being a Narco state directly on our border…when it tips that way we will have some serious problems.
If we killed every drug lord tomorrow, the next day a dozen more would take their place.
What drives the drug trade is money. As long as Americans are willing to fork over billions of $$ to put poison into their bodies, there will be someone South of the border to take it.
Bingo!
Hey remember that time they killed Pablo Escobar and all of a sudden nobody could get cocaine in the US?
Yeah, me neither. 😉
We didn’t deforest and defoliate their plant resources either…Escobar’s capture was a publicity affair and had little to do with stopping the drug trade. The way to end the war is to kill those in power and destroy their ability to create product.
Ending demand helps but white folks in the US love to get high(FBI data suggests that white dollars fund most of the black and hispanic drug gang activity)…so you have two potential outcomes. Fight it like a war or let adults put things in their own bodies that they enjoy….which one sounds like freedom? Not sure anyone knows anymore.
essentially you just said “ending demand helps but white folks will not stop demanding” – in other words, not stopping demand. Truly END demand (probably the only sure way is to make the penalties for demand so high that no one dares to try – see China circa 1950) and there would be no drug money to be lusted after. The problem is that there is no political will to even attempt anything meaningful, so we continue to halfass the whole enforcement exercise.
Treat drug use like a public health problem and not a criminal problem and you’d see real results.
Or, we could turn the United States of America into “China circa 1950”.
Land of the free, indeed…
“anything meaningful” would also violate half the provisions in the Constitution. That’s an issue most Drug Warriors don’t think about very much when they complain we aren’t “serious enough.”
One would think the automatic minimum prison sentences enacted in the 1990s would give pause. Sell an undercover cop an ounce of blow and you get more jail time than a rapist or a murderer.
It would never happen here, but it worked for the Communist Chinese: when they took over China, they went to every city and village, found every addict and dealer, took them to the local village center, and shot them all in the back of the head. Not much of a drug problem there now.
Actually, no. They still have drug problems, especially Opium-based. That trade goes back centuries, and is essentially unstoppable.
The PRC government doesn’t like to -talk- about it, but there is no sign of flagging consumption in PRC. The suppliers certainly move plenty of product that way.
Think about what it portends, that the thugocracy of the PRC couldn’t stamp out drug use with their extremes measures.
Some random thoughts:
Anybody who would praise General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna would kiss Jane Fonda on the lips. This is the man who not only ordered the defenders of the Alamo put to death, he also disguised himself as a private and tried to run away like a little girl when he lost the Battle of San Jacinto in 1836. He’s lucky Sam Houston didn’t hang his sorry ass.
Which raises the question: Why was the Mexican government stupid enough to put him in charge during the Mexican War?
It might also be pointed out for the history challenged that Mexico didn’t lose California strictly via the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. If the Mexican War had not happened, the state would likely have continued becoming an independent republic. A process started by the Bear Flag Revolt.
Those wanting to cut off Colorado River water to California might be advised that the river forms a border with Arizona. Should Arizona have its water cut off too? I’d also ask the shareholders of the out-of-state power companies whether they really want to lose 40 million California energy customers.
I’m also tired of all the horseshit about whether California is a welfare queen, or “contributes far more in US revenue than it takes back in US expenditures.” One of the better estimates is that the state pays out roughly $1.12 for each federal dollar it takes in. HERE’S an analysis that seems to agree with the most accurate data available. Sorry, Lars.
Not in Jorge Ramos’ wildest wettest dreams is this new treaty agreement ever going to happen.
…But the “Bear Flag Revolt” was a filibuster engineered by US emigrants. It would be called astroturfing today.
“Compassionate” Bezerkley really isn’t “compassionate” to the homeless
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/15/berkeley-california-homeless-identity-crisis
Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown and his lackeys need to dork someone in the squeakhole (middle class) so they can keep their jobs and lifestyle
The Guardian can bite my crumpet. They’re the kind of prep-school progressive wankers who love stories about how grim things are in the colonies compared to Jolly Olde England. An argument can be made that the reason homeless people wind up in Berkeley is that in January it’s usually better to be homeless in the Bay Area than be homeless in Buffalo. Duh.
And we’re supposed to assume there are no homeless in London?
Multiple complex reasons contribute to the cost of housing in the Bay Area including long-term effects of Prop 13, ABAG land use policy, and the injection of VC money into Silicon Valley. Did the Guardian mention any of these things?
Commissar = diarrhea of the mouth, constipation of thought.
He has a concrete mind – permanently set and all mixed up!
Ok, all that says to me is that we could extend our southern border a few hundred miles, throw out all of the people there and mine the whole fucking thing. Sounds like a win for me.
Oh, yeah. All that money you want for using “your” land which was really Spains? We will deduct the Billions your illegal squatters have soaked our government and expect you to pay the balance immediately
Actually when Mexico gained its independence its territory included all the territory that it ceded in the treaty of Guadalupe Hildago.
If the leaders of Mexico weren’t so incompetent and corrupt they would have embraced a policy of European Immigration and they would have had tens of thousands of new citizens who would have settled in and defended that territory. The most often cited and misinterpreted part of the Treaty of G. H. by the Reconquistas is the section that said the anyone who was a Citizen of Mexico who resided in the areas ceded could elect to maintain Mexican Citizenship. Of course this right was not extended to their Children born in the ceded territories, They would be US citizens by birth.
The 14th Amendendment made that section null and void, as it declared all people born in the US States and territories ( no matter who governed them at the time of birth) full citizens.
Mexican claim to the ceded territory has always been weak because it’s connected to the prior Spanish claim which dates back to Balboa landing in Panama in 1513 and claiming all of North, Central, and South America for the Spanish crown. Good luck with that.
Fast forward 250 years and Spain had still done little to establish a presence in the area it claimed. As one example, in California there was virtually nothing until the 1770s when it allowed the Catholic Church to establish a string of missions. Spain didn’t actually want the land all that much, it mostly wanted to keep Americans from the east and Russians from the north from having it. From a Spanish perspective, California simply wasn’t very lucrative as a colonial cash cow, and they tended to govern it with a policy of benign neglect.
Nothing really changed when Mexico became independent in 1821.
Well, another thread goes by with a Babbles McButthead infection and a typical one. Instead of standing his ground he simply did a quick “Shit & Run”.
Well, he reposted his one post and mumbled a convincing “Then What?” comment, so he dropped a “Triple Shit and Run”.
How did he even begin to function in -Civil Affairs-?
From what I heard from those who knew him, not very well. A leopard doesn’t change it’s spots.
I knew someone exactly like him in the Navy. He was the poster child for incompetence.
More than likely, he had some “mouth skillz”.
I doubt that. He’s the token one might stand, from what he’s said. Add his need to pick fights over nothing, and – well, he just doesn’t offer much.
Give ’em back Califa !
Hollywood FIRST !
http://www.warhistoryonline.com/history/pancho-villa-john-pershing-punitive-expedition.html