Females to report to their Marine Infantry unit
The Marine Corps Times reports that the first female Marines trained as infantrymen are reporting to their units on Thursday this week;
The women are headed to 1st Battalion, 8th Marines, where they will serve in the following infantry military occupational specialties: rifleman, machine gunner and mortar Marine, said 1st Lt. John McCombs, a spokesman for II Marine Expeditionary Force.
The battalion has a team of women leaders consisting of a logistics officer, motor transport officer and wire chief to support the female infantry Marines, McCombs said.
All three of the infantry Marines graduated from the School of Infantry as part of the service’s gender integration research, said Marine Corps spokesman Capt. Philip Kulczewski.
I wish the ladies all the luck in the world, I think they’re going to need it.
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Keep your behavior sterling, ladies. Your actions will determine how all other lady Marines will be judged.
I hope they fail as infantry, but succeed as marines, for the sake of our future. We don’t have a need for female infantrymen. Plenty of boys laying around.
A nation that send their women to do an infantryman’s job because it wants to, not because it needs to, its bound to fail. This is morally wrong. This is discrimination against women, asking them to do a job natural selection and evolution has not suited them for.
Whatever unit they go to, its combat effectiveness is going to be lowered, and now the guys need to protect their dames as well as doing their jobs.
Whatever unit they go to, it is not going to be allowed to fail, therefore it will get assigned the easiest and safest jobs. If I were an infantry dude wanting to do an infantry job and serving in that unit, i would drop my DA 4187 and request assignment to a “real” infantry unit.
Just saying.
Couldn’t have stated it any more clearly than that.
Go tell that to the Vikings.
They pull their own weight, and they can die just the same as the men do. No sympathy, no slack, a pound still weighs a pound and they will have to carry MAN loads now, not girlie loads. They will fail. But the mentally retarded social justice experiment is now going to come to a close since sane people will now run the government.
Good luck to them.
And for the rest of you wankers: Don’t. Even. Start.
I’m teaching active duty this morning…including women. Bite me.
wankwankwankwankwankwankwankwankwank
This is a public blog. Please wank in private.
You just WISH I’d bite you!
yup
Obviously, Mr. Yef up there in comment #1a has never run into an extremely angry female who can literally take him apart at the seams.
Anger has nothing to do with it. It is all about training, discipline, and determination, plus the physical prowess to make all these work.
Average female cannot beat average male on equal terms, no matter how much anger is involved.
Now, war aint about equal terms or fairness, it is about maximizing our advantages and minimizing the enemy’s, but if your unit has a couple lower performance Soldiers hampering your unit’s combat readiness and effectiveness, then there goes your advantage and get ready to pay the butcher’s bill.
Audie Murphy.
Errrr …. he was a man.
At 5’5″ he initially was refused by the USMC, USN, and USA because he was underweight and underaged. Finally he got in; the rest is history.
But he was still a man.
“At 5’5″ he initially was refused by the USMC, USN, and USA because he was underweight and underaged. Finally he got in; the rest is history.”
JSF, I think that was the point Ex-PH2 was making by referring to Audie Murphy’s size etc.
Exactly. It isn’t size. It is willpower. People can do extraordinary things under stress that they would not do under calmer circumstances.
There are exceptions in every category. Granted. What about the average? There are not enough exceptional to flush out Battalions.
False assumption. “Average” can become ‘exceptional’ under the right conditions.
Alas, some of us don’t even have much willpower.
Audie Murphy was dinky, yes. But he still had the bone structure and musculature of a MAN. To my knowledge he never engaged a German in hand to hand combat, nor did he have to carry near the load a modern grunt does. Not a valid comparison.
In further news, pregnancy in the Infantry is up 100%.
Unless they are all lezzies or transgendered males, I predict some pregnancies among the infantrywymyns of the 1/8th Marines in 2017.
I wonder how quickly units will suddenly have deployment vacancies due to pregnancy as soon as an integrated Infantry Unit gets orders for deployment?
You go girls!
Faker! You’re not IDC SARC.
meh…saying anything else causes mittelschmerz.
Mittleschmerz used to be the signal for me and the old dog to go fishing alone for three days.
Ah, those were the days.
I think I had some Mittelschmerz once at a gasthaus in Bavaria. It wasn’t bad but could have used a bit more gravy. Paired nice with a Kristaller Weizen though. 😉
Ah, a hearty plate of Mittelschmerz and a long necked export Bitburger. Nothing better to pass the time during the long winter months in the Eiffel.
“Bitte Ein Bit”.
Oops, Sorry, one too many “f’s” in Eiffel (Eifel/Aifel).
I’m talking about the region in Germany, not the tower in Paris.
Mea Culpa.
In my area it was “Wir Wollen Wulle”. Of course the local bier changes every 10 miles or so. so many breweries, so little time.
Good luck I guess….I’d like to say a lot more, but what’s the point?
Anyone who doesn’t know how this turns out is kidding themselves…
This is historic! This is monumental! Anyone know if they’re not lesbians?
Or prior men?
Are you insinuating that they are?
Proof?
I see you took off your social justice warrior cape this morning….
JOKING! 🙂
It is what it is. Everyone here knows that I’m a glitter guy and a champion of the LGBTIA-EIEIO movement. How did you know about my cape?
Funny. I’m dying to know what the IA-EIEIO portion of the acronym are.
Those “women” are bound to be different for sure if they are in Marine Infantry. I can’t wait to rib my Marine friends with this shit. Lol.
…and I’d hit ’em…all of ’em
I’ll pick up on that one too !!!
At any given time? Even 10 days into a training deployment in the field?
They’d probably hit back.
(and the field goal isssssssss GOOD!
I wish them the best of luck and hope that the Corps can keep this study free of influence from both sides of the argument.
I really want them to be given a fair shot so the feasablity of assigning Females to Infantry units can be studied completely.
I personally think its going to end up simply reinforcing something both biology and history have proven. Women won’t do as well as men in combat arms.
I just hope there wont be a backlash by the SJWs if the experiment they pushed on the services dont come out the way they wanted it.
With the new leadership we have coming on board Jan 20th I’m hoping that outside influence will be told to STFU.
I’d like to see success if for no other reason than to shut people up and move on to real problems…
If you deploy with the crack troops in your platoon, you have a REAL problem just waiting to bust out at any time the shit hits the fan.
I got nuffin.
Well ex-OS2, if you were to say cocksuckers…..
Just sayin…..
I tossed around the idea of battlefield muff-divers, but held back.
Ah, you censored yourself. Political correctness is a b…
Na, just couldn’t think of a response other than cocksucker, but that would have been a compliment.
Corpsman are going to have to double up on the quantity of standard “field dressing” packs that they carry….
Where do you think sanitary napkins came from? Nurses started using them during World War II.
Lame-OH!
Next!
Lol
Nope, seriously, Ex-PH2 is correct. Not a lot of opportunity to replace the soiled linens they used to use, so the nurses took to using what was on hand – battle dressings. Which proved far superior to using cloth which had to be washed and if possible boiled (not exactly easy to arrange under those conditions) – and an industry was born.
Kleenex has a similar history.
Used to be the Sears catalog was not just for reading.
Ditto with newspapers.
I think that was partly an emotional response. I know I sometimes feel that way.
Interesting. I did not know that. I used a sanitary napkin as a bandage once. What goes around, comes around.
“I wish the ladies all the luck in the world, I think they’re going to need it.” I can’t say it better Jonn. And I’m gonna stop there.
*Newsflash*
Megyn Kelly is leaving Fox News but she will not report to NBC as previously reported. She will soon arrive at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot, San Diego with the intentions of going 0311.
Can Marine Infantry still call each other bitch now? Or is that off limits?
I thought they called each other assholes.
among a host of other profanity laden terms of endearment….
Formations will no longer require every swinging dick, I suppose.
“Every swinging dick and whistling jane”?
or is that only in airborne units?
Meat curtains
Chafed labia. (Thank you, Nicki!)
CMC Gen Neller won’t be sad when Anus Mabus departs Jan 20. Seems like there was rancor between them. IIRC, Mabus in a memo chewed out Gen Neller for foot dragging.
HUH? Some current General dragging his feet on omplementing some B-HO administration PC crap? OH gee whiz…
The USMC – effectively resisting change and in some cases progress for 241 plus years.
Well unlike the rest of you, ol’ Poe doesn’t wish them well at all. If there’s anything this old geezer has learned after three-quarters of a century of maneuvering through life, it’s that just because you “can” do something doesn’t mean you “should”. Just because a limited few Social Justice Warrior females can make it through the infantry training program (and I suspect under relaxed standards quietly ordered by a closely watching SecNav) doesn’t mean that your average American female could last 48 hours in the same infantry training program and yet, by this action, there will now come justified calls for women to register for the draft.
Just think about the mess a female draft could cause in the event of a wartime call up. It would totally screw the military combat arms training programs at a time when we need them functioning at their best. Having to weed out all those incapable would slow the entire process to a crawl. This is a very bad idea and one I’m hoping will soon be rescinded by a leadership that has some common fucking sense, a quality remarkable by its absence for the past eight years.
That’s why I was contrite in my message, this doesn’t end well. Everybody with a brain can already ascertain how it doesn’t end well but we’re doing it anyway because some bureaucrat thought we must.
When the average non-hacking male tests out at a level equal to an elite female’s performance what’s there to talk about?
There’s a reason pro sports are separated by gender, women are slower and weaker, the US Women’s National Soccer Team of professionals trains against college age men…or they used to because college age men were giving them a real workout…our best and most elite female professionals trained against amateur male athletes still in college…if that doesn’t explain it for you then you don’t want to understand. The same is not true of male professional athletes they’d never waste their fucking time training against amateurs because it hampers their game play….but hey SJWs will keep telling bullshit lies about how we’re all the fucking same when there is no evidence to support the bullshit.
Well, women are certainly free to try out for the NFL, MBL, NHL, and NBA but they are too slow, too weak, and lack the killer instinct. That makes them just perfect for the OBaMa military.
“MBL”?!? The Monthly Bitchiness League? Man, what are you talking about? Women lead every statistical category in that circuit.
(Surreptitiously hides the phone from Mrs. 68W58’s view)
Well, POeT, you said that without referencing how many people drafted during WWII, Korea or Vietnam were actually deployed to war zones for combat and how many were deployed to war zones for OTHER than combat.
What was the percentage? You don’t have a reference, just an assumption that people drafter automatically go into a war zone to pick up a gun and shoot. Someone in my area, a no 90-year-old woman who VOLUNTEERED during WWII for the Navy was sent to London, England as a Yeoman. Other women were sent to intelligence sections such as Aerial Interpretation and other specialties.
“By mid-1943, 27,000 American women served in the WAVES program. While their WW1 counterparts served only as nurses and secretaries, these WW2-era women took up far more responsibilities. Secretarial and clerical jobs still made up a large portion of WAVES positions, but thousands of WAVES personnel performed other jobs such as aviation mechanics, photographers, control tower operators, and intelligence personnel. In late 1944, the WAVES program began accepting African American women at the ratio of one black woman for every 36 white women enlisted in the WAVES program. By the end of the war, over 84,000 women served in WAVES with 8,000 female officers, which constituted 2.5% of the US Navy’s personnel strength.”
Here’s the database link: http://ww2db.com/other.php?other_id=24
So where is anything that says that a draft of women will automatically send them into combat to shoot-shoot-bang-bang??
But, but they (the wymyns) have to go to the combat arms or all the SJW’s will be triggered, cry, and need a puppy. Equality is more important than military proficiency and winning wars, everyone knows that.
I don’t have issues with women being drafted. I have issues with the assumption that it’s for combat when the historical records for the last three wars show that not all draftees went into combat zones.
This is going to be a disaster and if this disaster deploys to war, it will serve no purpose except to inflate the casualty rate.
All who had any part in this, including all those who, in their intellectually inbred idiocy played cheer leader for it, or bent their knee in accepting it for no other reason than a simple lack of moral courage, must be held accountable on that day.
Blood for blood.
You put my fellow infantrymen at more risk.
Fuck you to death.
Semper Fi, mother fuckers.
Oh, stuff it, Grimmy. 😛 😛 😛
ditto.
In my three-quarters of this adventure called “life”, one of the things I’ve learned is there is a lot of difference between males and females- particularly in the motivations, desires, abilities and interests between the ages of, say 18 and 30. Don’ know nuffin’ ’bout trannies. Men fight, women provide civility. Time to pick yer team, folks. By the way, when the flag goes up- the draft calls up all qualified- male and female. Those called will fill needed roles-and (listen up Ph2) all will learn how to defend themselves; including training in use of small arms. Semper Fidelis.
See my response to Poetrooper above.
There is no evidence that a draft will automatically send anyone into a combat zone.
What was the percentage of men answering the draft during Vietnam who were sent to SEAsia versus the total number drafted and/or volunteers?
Here’s some stats on Draftees for you:
DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS…
25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII.
Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.
Reservists killed: 5,977
National Guard: 6,140 served: 101 died.
Total draftees (1965 – 73): 1,728,344.
Actually served in Vietnam: 38%
Marine Corps Draft: 42,633.
Last man drafted: June 30, 1973.
What is your “actually served in Vietnam” a percentage of–the total number of draftees or the total of the US military? Because I would be surprised that the number of draftees who served in RVN would be that high.
here’s what I found:
9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (Aug. 5, 1964-May 7, 1975).
8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964 – March 28, 1973).
3,403,100 (Including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand, and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters).
That is why I question that 38% of draftees served in RVN. that would imply that over a million men (almost all Army) served in SEA as draftees. I think prior to 1969 over 3/4 of those serving in SEA were not draftees. All Navy, USAF, Coast Guard, and over 95% of Marines were volunteers.
Draftees serving in RVN: 648,500
Total Draftees, 1965-1973: 1,728,344
648,500 / 1,728,344 = 0.37521656+
Rounded to 2 digits, that’s 38%. The numbers work out.
And my point was that being drafted does not automatically send anyone into a combat zone or a firefight.
As a former 8th Marine….
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
So when they are told to “Line UP, Nut to Butt”
is that the first problem or the second?
I am thinking others problems will pop up.
You guys are so predictable.
Are you even vaguely aware that women will beat the crap out of a male partner (spouse or boyfriend) or murder someone, just as quickly as a man will do the same? Read the papers once in a while, willya?
Not all of us are timid, insipid, tea-sipping slouches, you know. 🙂 So stuff it!
And quit trying to find your package. If you have to look…. (gigglesnort)
Also, I really do want to see every one of you go through a monthly episode of hormone rushes that make you feel like you’ve been bitten by one of those giant cockroaches from ‘Aliens’, never mind projectile vomiting when it’s really bad.
Wait – make that several monthly episodes, in addition to enduring weeks of morning sickness (a side effect of pregnancy) that accompanies the first trimester of pregnancy.
And finally, I would just love to see you buggers crank a 13-pounder out your asses in the front seat of your car.
I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, does that count?
Did you use the diaper changing tray in the bathroom?
Not this time, but I took advantage of the free Wi-Fi.
In or out of a combat zone?
In a rice paddy with a water buffalo standing guard.
I thought so!
I’m sure some guys would be willing to try if it meant they got up to 15 months in a non-deployable status too…
3 good reasons not to be infantry
You gave birth through your Ass??? Holy shit, your one tough cookie!
Obviously Ex-Ph2 got out before the era of MREs.
A week/10 days in the field on MREs and it feels like a 15lb food baby is exiting (and destroying in the process) your ass and all attached parts.
Every time I fix bean soup, cornbread goes with it. Not enough bulk in the cornbread to even discuss it.
Only 9lb 5oz, sadly. My tearing was relatively minor, even! I can attest that I was INCREDIBLY focused while pushing him out.
And anyone who thinks women lack the killer instinct haven’t seen me around the laundry list of predators that keep trying to visit my farm and treat it like their personal larder. Just because they’ve all been on four legs or on wings so far doesn’t change my readiness to go charging, half-naked, into the night yelling and waving a shepherd’s crook in one hand and a 1911 in the other.
…Granted, that may not be a sign of fitness for combat duty…
I always thought a fire extinguisher would be great for chasing off predators late in the day, accompanied by buckshot and loud horns, but that was the 1950s and predators were less prevalent then.
I don’t think we could raise sheep or beef cattle that way any more. It’s just about back to the days of yore, and riding herd on the herd. And if I see one more raccoon on my front steps, I’m going over to Bass Pro and getting varmint spray.
That may be – but how many of those male partners they beat up are Marine infantrymen?
I cannot help but notice the near total lack of mixed-genderMMA bouts. Any really competitive matchup would sell beaucoup tickets, yet nada. Seems like the actual competitors do not agree with that “women equally beat up men” bit, where men face no societal and legal double standards.
Because males trained and conditioned to fight generally destroy women trained and conditioned to fight, when fighting even serious weight disparity.
This isnt about “fairness”. This is about winning in a fight for life, combat. One or two tough-girls that can keep up does not provide a good reason to displace one or two tough guys who more than can keep up.
There is a video-I posted it on a prior thread-of Rhonda Roussey sparring with a man. It goes about as you’d expect it to go.
Of course it’s a lot less impressive now that everyone is kicking her ass.
Actually, Ex-PH2, statistics say otherwise. Per Wikipedia, 80+% of violent crime in the US is perpetrated by males. Some statistics regarding domestic violence are similar – approx 85% of those crimes are committed by males.
Nature has made men both more capable of and more prone to violence than women. That’s in general true across the board for mammals.
It’s also why in every documented society in history, armies have been composed overwhelmingly if not virtually exclusively of men. A 20% average difference in endurance coupled with a 30-50% difference in muscular strength for individuals of the same height is significant in combat.
Even among the few women who have the physical strength to get through SOI, how many of them will develop debilitating injuries within a year or two and be undeployable? I wasn’t a grunt (5953 here) but I went through PI and I saw how 4th Battalion platoons routinely had many more stragglers wearing their go-fasters or on crutches, and that was just boot camp. Male platoons might have two or three – female platoons often had 10 or more.
And this isn’t even a question of fitness or athleticism, as many of these women were in terrific shape. They simply weren’t built to withstand the kind of pounding that an infantryman must endure, particularly in the lower body. Just an example – a friend of mine who was an Army mortarman is married to a fellow Army vet. This woman ran marathons, but after several deployments as an MP she developed hip problems that forced her out of the Army and have left her partially disabled ten years later. She was fit and tough, but ultimately there was a limit to what her body could endure.
At MCT they have severe issues with them breaking. iTB is nothing compared to the fleet so I expect them all to be on light duty sooner or later.
You are absolutely right. The fleet will be a wake up call if they are treated the way all boots that show up are treated.
And one of them is a “mortar Marine.” All I can say to that is …
BASE PLATE
http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/guttenfelder19_sJPG_920_590_0_95_1_.jpg
JSF
Too bad I didn’t have a wymyn in my A detachment’s 4 man pilot team when we jumped into Germany from an EC-130 in the dark o’ night. Then I could have ordered her to pack the 35 pound hand crank generator in her rucksack instead of mine. Then she could have hobbled around for a month completing the mission with a sprained ankle, instead of me.
So…they need Female Marines in the charge to take care of Female Marines? No special treatment there..I feel safer already
Who want’s to guess at the amount of complaints and negative reviews the female Marines get? I’d hate to be the one bringing up the first one if there is one.
“gender integration” my ass. The will have a separate barracks, separate potty, separate birthing on ship, separate rules for being alone with their Plt Sgt.
This is utter bullshit, separate score for the PFT, separate promotion scores.
They are not gender integrated, they are extra baggage.
Phuk Dis
Amen brother
I did a post here a while ago about this issue. To paraphrase: Unless they are sharing toilet facilites, and the like. This exercise will, at least, simply cost a bunch of money that might be better spent elsewhere.
It is a logistics issue as well.
More power to ’em…
I think everyone is using the same portapotties, Ponsdorf, just like we do at the Renaissance Faires.
A Retired Korea/Vietnam Vet (Retired LTC) I once attended church with once told me that he DID support the idea of women in Combat Arms Units, he liked the idea of one girl in every foxhole with the boys. Just think of how much business that would deny the brothels downrange.
Next, we will see little boys who want to be girls getting assigned to all female Infantry Units.
They could have a whole transgender unit known as “The Chicks with Dicks.” They could prove themselves in combat just like the Tuskegee Airmen.
Well, I have said this before: the TGs who want to be girls can dress/train/act as girls (but use the men’s showers) and get the ‘girlie creds’ because they’d (supposedly) have the physical strength of men. They can just pretend to be ‘REAL girls’ until they get the operation, which they should do at their own expense, and that should solve the problem. It might make you GUYS uncomfortable because you’re training with the ‘chix w/dix’ bunch, but if they fill the billet and succeed, what’s the real problem?
I wouldn’t want that job, but if Joey wants to be Jodie or Jane, and can carry the load, who cares?
But would you be comfortable in close quarters overseas alongside Jane who wants to be Joe?
Depends on Jane/Joe’s manners. On the other hand, a while back, someone posted a link to a soldier who had TG’d to male before entering the military. If you weren’t told, you’d never guess.
I think the real issue is not the TG itself, but the notion that someone thinks/says ‘wanna be a girl/boy instead of the way I was born’. Well, gee, I wanted to be Supergirl when I was 11, but I didn’t come form Superman’s home planet, did I? No, so I had to settle for being me. Most of the time, we grow out of these notions.
On the other hand, it may be something that was always there and buried, until one day, some woman tells her husband that she wants to be a man, starts the male hormone therapy and then discovers she’s pregnant. Yes, her 8-month photo was online. That’s the real world problem. The prospect is not always the same as reality.
Personally, I don’t care, but the constant in-your-face stuff has become obnoxious.
God Damn, first Beirut and now this. Hasn’t 1/8 suffered enough?
Here is a quote from Obummer followed by the link:
“Joe Biden and I know that women are as least as strong as men,” he said. “We’re stronger for it.”
And here is the link. The man is delusional.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/04/obama-to-armed-forces-women-are-at-least-as-strong-as-men/
My reply to them: Yeah. Most women are probably as strong as you two girly men, who have never performed a day’s labor in your pampered lives.
Well, when applied to them it is completely true. I’m quite sure that the lowest girl in the list of averages could outdo either or both of them in just about everything.
They’re also both a couple of pussies, so they have that going for them.