SGM Randy M. Kiley Sr. indicted for fraud
AZtoVA sends us a link to the story of 63-year-old Sergeant Major Randy M. Kiley Sr. who retired in 2014 as an Active Guard Reserve soldier in the Louisiana National Guard after 35 years of service. Apparently, he’s been indicted for fraud that he committed during his service;
Kiley is accused of lying about his marital status to receive increased Basic Allowance for Housing and Family Separation Allowance pay.
Court documents show that after Kiley and his wife divorced around July 2005, Kiley failed to make the required notification to National Guard officials.
The indictment alleges that instead, between July 2005 and July 2014, Kiley submitted four forms on which he lied about his marital status to receive additional money from the U.S. Department of Defense.
He falsely listed his marital status as “married” on two forms requesting Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH), a type of supplemental pay available to eligible active-duty service members, court documents show.
What a dumbass. He must have really pissed someone off for them to come after him so long after he retired. According to the article, he’s looking at 20 years and a quarter-million dollar fine. I hope it was worth it for him.
Category: National Guard
Easy defense: He self identified as married.
sounds like a greedy, pissed off ex that turned him in, maybe he wouldn’t share the spoils, or maybe she didn’t get her “severance” pay lol
Wouldn’t it be a hoot if he got convicted and the prison put him to work painting rocks?
That made me laugh out loud. good one.
Or put in AdSeg for walking on the grass in the prison yard
A case of Brasso a month and a bundle of rags and don’t stop till everything is the jail house shines like new money. Then return the empties and dirty rags for new ones.
Court-martial him then put him in a cell with Bradley Manning
The Lower Enlisted Guards witl be telling HIM to STAY OFF THE GRASS!
Picking up Cigarette Butts.
There are plenty of bimbos around that will marry you for cash. Plenty of fake marriages in the military.
If I’m not mistaken he could still have drawn BAQ and BAH at a lesser rate? He just had to get it all.
Stupid Fuck. I wonder how many soldiers under him got burned for the same type of shit.
Unless his unit was on an installation, doubtful being NG, he’d be living where he wanted off post. So, yes he’d still be getting BAH and BAS.
According to the story he also claimed Family Separation Allowance for two or three deployments.
Takes the spotlight off California for a few minutes, but damn I’m tired of seeing the Guard make the news this way.
The only court-martial that I ever sat on was a CW3 admin type who was doing the same thing. She claimed that she didn’t know that her husband had divorced her because they had been estranged for years. It didn’t work out well for her, and had to give back the years of additional BAH.
I sat on a General Court for a 42A type SSG who had been defrauding the Army for 18 years. Almost $330K.
I thought I had heard everything….
Another stupid ass Sergeant Major making me look great by comparison! People ask me why I retired…well, here you go.
Follow up must be done…who validated his BAH? What role did the UA play? How did the Commander and 1SG not know this? Who was looking at the Commander’s Pay Report?
Did personal relationships enter into the issue?
Burn them all.
Ret_25X, you nailed it particularly in the LA Guard where everyone knows everyone else’s business because its a family affair.
I’m a fairly unique dude in that I served for some time in all 3 Army compos. Each of the compos have their own cultural attitudes. Some ARNG and USAR units are above reproach and some are beneath contempt. Geography plays a prominent role.
Ret_25X: Same here. Just over 10 years AD, 2 1/2 USAR and about 11 ARNG. My ARNG time was in two different states (WY and CO) and yes, there were noticeable “cultural” differences between USAR, COARNG and WYARNG.
The thing is, when something like this happens, you just have to assume that like smuggling drugs across the border, we probably get fewer than 10% of the people who pull this kind of crap.
Martinjmpr, the key is the Commander’s responsibility to review the Monthly Pay Report, DEERS reports, and AA162.
Good 1SGs make this happen, and bad 1SGs…well…you know.
Martinjmpr, what unit were you in for CO? I was in the 140th Signal Battalion. Our motto was, We won’t fight and you can’t make us, If we can’t fix it, Fuck It! I loved that unit, great times!!
I wonder how many times the HRC requested the wife come in and get her DEERS/ID card updated and she never showed? Family member cards still get renewed every four years, don’t they?
That might have been a clue to his command that something was fishy.
I doubt they did in an NG unit. It could’ve been easily explained away and doesn’t show up on the metrics. OR he could’ve also had his own people updating the information for her in the system because they’re just a few good ol’ boys in the backwoods of Louisiana, y’all.
Yes, they do get renewed, but it isn’t reported to anyone if they don’t. My daughter let hers expire and didn’t bother to renew because she didn’t really need it once I was off my last Mob since Tricare wasn’t a factor. Things in the Reserve component are a little different, but he was Active Res, and still had to certify his RED, and thereby falsified an official govt doc, also when submitting for FSA. So hope the extra pay was worth it to the scum bag. The linked article does a good job listing all the appropriate charges and why they constituted fraud and falsifying. Wonder if his ex was the one who tipped authorities off?
Nobody tracks that stuff.
Well, they used to. Family member ID card expiration dates was (once upon a time) part of the POM (Preparation for Overseas Movement) checklist, especially for the REFORGER’s we used to do.
Couldn’t have Snuffy Joe’s Dependapotamus sitting back at home not able to go shopping at the Commissary cause her card expired while we were tooling around the battlefields of Germany for 45 days or more.
Of course, the last POM I did was in Dec 84 and it was for active duty, not ARNG.
Oops, slight correction.
The last POM I did would have been in August 87 in preparation for the Sep-Oct fall REFORGER.
Not that it means anything to anybody else, but I just wanted to set the record straight.
Open up another can of worms. Did he submit fake paperwork that his ‘wife’ was waiving SBP?
I was wondering about that SBP myself.
This does bring up a curious situation. I’ve often wondered why it is that married people are worth more to the military than are single people, if what they are paid is an indicator of relative worth.
It seemed rather strange to me that while we were off building sand castles during DS/DS/DS a subordinate of mine with the same rank and almost identical TIS took home significantly more $$ than did I because USAF was paying his family to occupy his home in his absence. Meanwhile, I had to pay for and arrange for my own home security. Sure, it was my choice to remain single during that time, but it still seemed out of whack somehow and made me question the justification for paying some folks more for doing the same job.
Never occurred to me to attempt to defraud anyone. Still, it also seemed goofy to me that when I later became half of a two-serving marriage that we should each be drawing additional bennies just for being married. Weird – at least to me.
In reality married folks stick around at far greater rates than single folks
Like any other operation you incentivize things that increase retention
Maybe because the single guys get fucked that much harder because married guys/gals go, “My wife she/my kids they/my dog it.”
That really did bug me for quite a few years when I was a single E-6. “Hey I need you to pull this shift on Saturday because my son is going to be doing…..”
The worst part of it for me was sitting in mandatory Family Readiness Meetings asking to be excused because I didn’t have family. “No, you should stay because this is important and you have Soldiers with families and you will have a family one day.” Or, “you’re going to suffer through this bullshit like the rest of us!”
I remember in Basic when I went through, the first time we got our LESs, I was getting bitched at because as an E-2 my check was about 150 bucks more than the E-1s. “why the fuck do you get more just for E-2?”
Then, I said, why are you bitching at me? He’s getting over 500 bucks more than I am and he’s an E-1, just because he has a wife and kids?
At the end of the day, it is all about recruiting and retention. Keeping family a little happier is a big boost in keeping them around.
Man, don’t get me started on this! 🙁
I was single the entire time I was in the military and it bugged me a lot, too. Particularly when I was at Bragg as a 33 year old E-6 with 10 years of active duty and every request I made to move out of the barracks and draw BAH was denied on the grounds that my unit’s barracks utilization was too low (well, no shit, it was an SF battalion, so the average rank was E-6 and most of them were married and/or had kids.)
At least they authorized separate rations for us – though this was mostly for convenience to the unit (by putting everyone – even barracks dwellers – on separate rations, they could schedule training without having to take the DFAC schedule into account. “Oh, you missed breakfast because we had an early morning formation? BFD, you’re drawing separate rats, get your breakfast from the roach coach.”)
When I decided to ETS at just over 10 years of active duty, the battalion commander counseled me and said “why are you getting out when you can stay in another 10 years and draw a full retirement?” I said the main reason was that I wanted to go back to college but I did say that a significant contributing factor was being required to maintain a space in the barracks and/or if I wanted to live off post I’d have to do it without BAH. I said “I’m a 33 year old E-6, a section NCOIC and a qualified jumpmaster, I shouldn’t have to live in the barracks like a private.”
You rate food (BAS), clothing (uniforms and maintenance allowance) and shelter (barracks, family housing) as a military member.
On base you get a house/townhouse/apartment (depending on rank and family size) for being married instead of a “barracks” room (barracks in quotes because nowadays they resemble small condos) so off post you get an allowance (BAH) to pay for the equivalent of what you would get on base.
Not sayin’ its right, just sayin’ it is. Quonset huts and squad bays are things of the past, it seems.
Question.
Could he be brought back to Active Duty & Court Marshalled and striped of retirement pay & benefits?
Yes. Absolutely
AGR vs. AD…not quite the same.
SMOOTH MOVE, SGM EX-LAX!
Nice here’s hoping he gets fucked as hard as the law allows and as long as the law allows.
Guys like this are retention killers…thieving lying rat bastards who stick it up the ass of a subordinate first chance they get while they’re the worst rat bastards in the unit.
Enjoy man-love shower times asshole.
Don’t forget the “all he can eat cockmeat sammich and tubesteak” buffet at the poundhimintheass prison.
I’m sure that E-9 Kiley wont…
Fucking “Lifers” anyway!
Moron.
Cocksucker.
Looking at a particular zip code in Louisiana of BAH rates, back then it was only about 300 more a month for BAH with dependents for him.
So, while it does add up to 30-40 thousand bucks or so total over 9 years, I don’t see how he thought it’d be worth it for that extra little bit each month. Especially since he makes a fairly hefty paycheck as a SGM.
I’d bet as was said, he really thought no one would notice and his good ol’ boy buddies would cover for him. Problem is, once he retired his good ol’ boy status didn’t protect him. As well, I’m guessing there was more than one administrator he pissed off that was able to audit his records.
The Army is cracking down on this type of stuff. We are now required to validate our BAH and submit source documents to HRC to be scanned into our records. It’s a pain, since they want not only marriage certificates but also birth certificates for all children.
You certainly should be required to do something in order to get the extra bucks. Submit some papers as proof of being eligible to get the funds? Seems like doing that once for a career of bennies others do not get is more than reasonable.
Remember the hoops we had to jump through to get VHA? Anyone remember VHA??? Bueller? Anyone?
It seems someone from the linked article knows the turd and has a bit more info:
why do people always assume they know the whole story? You don’t. This guys got what he deserved. fact is that he blatantly lied and committed fraud. This guy should have never been promoted beyond E6. When he deployed in 2004 and 2008, he was supposed to be in charge of operations, but all he ever did was watch movies and make red beans and rice. He was a joke, but because of his years of service, he was given a pass and promoted up. Now in this case, he was facing mandatory retirement, but he was one of these people who just couldn’t let go. Instead of taking his robust, generous retirement, he decided that he wanted to claim disability and an LOD, which would have allowed him to stay on active duty for a while longer. Both claims were BS as proven by a 15-6 investigation. Upon further investigation, they found these additional fraudulent claims of BAH, etc. This is a classic case of millennial entitlement, but applied to a senior citizen. So please, skip all the veteran BS. This guy got what he deserved.”
I was going to invite the dude over here for further explanation, but to hell with registering at the Nola site…
AAaah, so he spent some years screwing around with the system while making enemies…
Once he gets out of prison he’ll have his Korean War Vet motorcycle vest with SSM, BSM w/V and a half-dozen PHs.
From the article’s comment section:
‘@Arthur Bonfiglio why do people always assume they know the whole story? You don’t. This guys got what he deserved. fact is that he blatantly lied and committed fraud. This guy should have never been promoted beyond E6. When he deployed in 2004 and 2008, he was supposed to be in charge of operations, but all he ever did was watch movies and make red beans and rice. He was a joke, but because of his years of service, he was given a pass and promoted up. Now in this case, he was facing mandatory retirement, but he was one of these people who just couldn’t let go. Instead of taking his robust, generous retirement, he decided that he wanted to claim disability and an LOD, which would have allowed him to stay on active duty for a while longer. Both claims were BS as proven by a 15-6 investigation. Upon further investigation, they found these additional fraudulent claims of BAH, etc. This is a classic case of millennial entitlement, but applied to a senior citizen.
So please, skip all the veteran BS. This guy got what he deserved.’
Also from the article:
‘He retired in July 2014 as a Sergeant Major, the second-highest rank achievable by a non-commissioned officer.’
What would be the highest? (rhetorical)
Command Sgt Major of the Army. Does the Guard and Reserve have such a position?
When I first went in to the ANG after spending time in the Active Army, we had an annual review that was seen by no less than 3 other people to verify it’s accuracy. Then they got the genius notion to make the SM do their own review, and no one else saw it or verified any of the personnel data, and I think we can clearly see just how efficient that’s working for them. As far as checking dependents ID cards for expiration, now that it’s all self verified, no one really sees or notices if they have a valid card or not.
I have seen stellar careers ended in shame over intentional misrepresentation on travel forms, moving expenses and an E-9 who arranged a phony Red Cross activation just so he could get his family to So Calif for a “free” vacation while he got a routine medical exam. End of career and shamed by the service they sacrificed for. Never understand that one CAPT Bones