Guest post; Do not ever go Medieval on my ass!!
From Ex-PH2;
I went through everything I could find on weather. Per the climate peeps, the planet is the hottest thing ever recorded. Color-coded maps make it look like the place is burning to a crisp when it isn’t. Using the word ‘hot’ implies that the actual air temperature is radically increased, which is not true. It’s an average temperature overall, covering the entire planet, and an average half degree or one degree of increase is disingenuously labeled ‘hot’, as if the planet were sitting in a frying pan on my stove with the gas burner going full tilt.
Do not misunderstand me. We absolutely do need research into the subject of climate in order to have better, more accurate weather forecasts. Since Doppler radar was introduced after the 1974 Midwest tornado swarm and has become a common tracking method, a lot of lives have been saved. Ongoing research has provided valuable and vital information about how extreme storms form and where they are going and how much damage they may do, and has provided better, more accurate forecasts of rain and snow volume.
But it’s weather, people. It’s not climate. Weather is 135 years of record-keeping, a very short length of time when you consider that interglacial periods run anywhere from 30,000 years to 60,000 years in length. We’re in the last 25% of the Quaternary Period, which runs back about 2.5+/- million years. I don’t think any of us are going to live long enough to see the actual end of this current interglacial period, unless – and I use that word advisedly – unless somehow, with our usual silliness as an arrogant, self-important, definitely not omnipotent, control-freak species, we make such a mess of things that we slam ourselves right back into a glacial maximum.
For anyone who says that can’t happen, well – I have a chart to show you. My editor Tecumseh thought I should use something more logarithimic, which I’ve done further on in this article. But that does not show the same differences in time that this Excel chart shows. It should scare the living crap out of you, because the prolonged cold is always preceded by a spasm of warmth and the warm period is not the same length of time as the prolonged cold that follows it. You don’t have to take my word for it. Look at the chart. It covers the last 600,000 years.

Blue is cold. Yellow is not cold. We are in the far lefthand yellow column. No temperatures were used, just the actual length of time each period lasts. That is what counts. They show an oscillating wave form. The tallest blue column has a time span of 170,000 years. Note that the yellow columns differ considerably from the blue. The shortest interglacial period in that chart is the Aftonian, 30,000 years long, following the 170,000 years of the Wisconsin glacial maximum. We are almost two-thirds of the way through the Aftonian time span now. Granted, it’s a rough chart, but when someone says “it’s an average of 100,000 years for each climate cycle”, that is pure baloney. Averaging throws off the real numbers completely, which changes the results of research. This page provides real time and temperatures, not averages. It does not name the different glacials and interglacial periods, as I did. I dealt ONLY with time length.
However, there are people who just do not care about using real numbers, for a good reason: follow the money.
In the pursuit of finding things out, I recently reported the attempt by a salaried and grant-paid researcher and professor, Jagadish Shukla at George Mason University in Fairfax, VA, to have ‘climate deniers’ investigated under the RICO Act. He conned 19 other climate peeps, including 4 who worked with him, into signing it, because ‘climate deniers’ are exactly like the people who were genetically modifying tobacco for J.R. Reynolds to make it more addictive. I think any reasoning person will agree that a GMO organism is somewhat different from a planetary atmosphere. Likewise, a bunch of people who have a different opinion from another bunch of people about something is not quite the same thing as a whistleblower’s report. I was appalled, and rightly so, by that demand letter sent to the US Attorney General. In fact, it garnered so much adverse public notice that it was withdrawn, and Shukla is being investigated. Now I find that he was also claiming a Nobel Prize he never received.
There is much more of that kind of behavior going on. It isn’t hard to find. If you haven’t heard of Michael E. Mann before, he is the head of Penn State’s climate science department. Yes, that Penn State. He claimed in his CV that he’d won a Nobel prize. He was forced to recant that claim when his bit of Stolen Valor was revealed to be a complete lie on his part. In fact, the Nobel Committee said he’d never received or even been nominated for such an award.
But would Penn State dump him? No. He brings in millions of dollars of grant money every year for the university’s research programs. His hockey stick chart, which shows falsified temperature records over 1,000 years, made him famous. People grabbed onto it like ticks hunting blood. He refused to admit that he had done that deliberately to get grant money. He sued someone for taking him to task over fudging the data he used.
The point is that averaging, or altering the data as Mann did with his 1,000-year hockey stick chart, makes it incorrect. It blocks access to the actual results. Tecumseh provided me with this logarithmic chart for something more accurate. Note that that current warm period (furthest right span) is basically a flat line of real temperatures over a specified time period.
Mann really does not like criticism and he’s getting a lot of it now, mostly for his arrogant attitude. Most recently, he went running to the Pope for confirmation that his was the only correct position, and that all the mean, mean, mean old meanies who won’t let him have his way are just picking on him. And of course, the Pope patted his little shoulder and said, ‘Well, of course, you’re right, they’re terribly mean,’ or words to that effect.
Now, why does this matter? Well, let’s ask Galileo Galilei. I’m sure you’ve heard of him. He’s that crusty fellow who supported Copernicus’s heliocentric Universe theory, in which the Earth and other planets orbit the Sun, and the Universe revolves around it as well. He was obstinately in support of it. He even tried to prove it by publishing dialogues about it. And then he got himself one of them there newfangled telescope things and looked through it. And guess what he saw? He saw that Venus had phases, just like the Moon. Therefore, Venus must be orbiting the Sun. He saw mountains on the Moon. It wasn’t a flat pancake in the sky, after all. He turned his telescope on Jupiter and saw Jupiter’s system of moons. He may have also seen Saturn and its ring system. Some of his drawings suggest that. He used a camera obscura to bring the Sun into his observatory and found that the sun had sunspots, confirming what had long been recorded elsewhere by the Chinese. And he drew those sunspots.
Unfortunately, the governing body of all of Europe was the Church of Rome. And that Government did not want its stewpot stirred. It would cause chaos! Some philosophers refused completely to even look through a telescope. The first person Galileo discussed his ideas with was Cardinal Bellarmine, who officially didn’t like it at the behest of Pope Paul V, but tolerated it. Galileo faced one Inquisition because of his stubbornness. Later, Pope Urban VIII was amenable to these new-fangled ideas, but at some point changed his mind and said ‘No, no, no!’, because he was feeling a great deal of political pressure and wanted to keep his job.
When Galileo published his ‘Dialogue’, the Pope had him arrested and subjected to a second official Inquisition. It wasn’t that they didn’t know that the Earth orbited the Sun. The Church’s official doctrine said the Sun circled around the Earth and that was that. No arguments or discussions about it were tolerated.
Galileo’s refusal to knuckle under resulted in permanent house arrest for him. He stayed in his home until he died in 1642. In the 1990s, the Church finally said ‘We were wrong. Galileo was right.’ No, he was never excommunicated, just imprisoned in his own house for having a politically incorrect opinion and being unwilling to recant under political pressure. At some point, he did publicly recant, but not privately.
Does this sound familiar? Where and how many times have we seen this kind of thing before?
Now Bill Nye, the so-called Science Guy, has said he is quite open to filing criminal charges against people who disagree with the more popular meme of global warming or climate change, or whatever it’s called this year. Filing a criminal complaint against someone for having a different opinion than yours about something is about as Medieval as you can get, especially when that something seems to be not much more than a scam run by money-grubbing, power-hungry control freaks whose methods are questionable.
Science does not advance or create or innovate when this kind of restriction occurs. Another name for it is Lysenkoism. Trofim Lysenko was Stalin’s director of the Soviet Union’s Lenin All-Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences, the fellow who tossed agricultural science and Mendelian genetics out the window in favor of his own personal ideology of how plants change and how to manage agriculture. His idiotic methods cause mass starvation in the USSR. Ideology does not fill the breadbasket, but it does destroy progress. When ideology is never questioned, or dissenters are punished for doing so, it is nothing more than going Medieval and/or subscribing to Lysenkoism, with no consideration for the consequences of doing so.
In my view, what we see is the Earth taking care of itself. It’s business as usual and we’re just along for the ride. We should definitely keep the place clean, because we live here and unless another habitable world is found, we’re stuck here. We have nowhere else to go. Whether or not the climate is changing one direction or the other, I have no opinion on it at all. But turning a branch of science into an ideology and making dissent a crime, as with Lysenkoism, leaves the path of reason.
My concern is that not only are these researchers lying about their curriculum vitae with Stolen Valor claims of awards they didn’t earn, but also that they are fudging and/or forging their data into the bargain for the sole purpose of getting money. I do not believe they can be trusted any more.
I repeat that we absolutely do need the research. It is vital to have better, more accurate weather forecasting. It is incredibly important, however, to these other people, who have cash and status at stake, to be on top of the heap and make climate change the only acceptable thing to consider. “They” have turned it into an ideology. “They” have as wide a horde of believers as any fundamentalist preacher could ever ask for. “They” say that the climate is out of control. That alone is doubtful. Paleontological and geological records show otherwise. Those records show that the European Alps were bare of snow cover 7,000 years ago.
So I’m going ask the following question because I think it’s both reasonable and important.
What are we supposed to do if their predictions turn out to be wrong?
Category: Global Warming
Very informative article, thank you. I am glad you left out Al Gore’s garbage.
Well, I focused on the equally important fact, that that what is at stake is money and status and people are lying and fudging their data to get the cash and the status.
Gore, as we all know, is a blowhard who saw an opportunity for money and status and seized it by making a bad movie that people fell for. He’s a prime example of it.
I absolutely agree. I appreciate the effort you put into the article.
Don’t forget the whole point of this fiasco is the total control of people, and especially their energy..control that and you control them! NWO said so!
While I do agree that there is some climate change going on, I cannot subscribe to the mantra that we humans, we mere specks in the grand scheme of things in the universe have anything to do with it. Ol’ Sol, waaaay out there in the sky does more with one solar flare than we mortals can do in a lifetime.
Great article, my friend. Keep em coming.
Not to mention that in one go, Krakatoa put more dust and carbon into the atmosphere than humanity has in recorded history. Maybe we should put IT in jail?
I’d like to see that!
Concur.
If folks think that climate change,er,weather is a problem now, just wait until Yellowstone decides to blow again.
That supervolcano erupts on average every650K years,and it’s been around 650K years since the last big blow.
FWIW, the last time it went off, it left more than 5 feet of ash in what is now Nebraska. It left a “dead zone” some 500 miles around it. Currently, the magma chamber is quite active, with several minor tremors daily. The ground has risen approximately 22″ over the past few years too.
So I’m not sweating about any frikkin’ anthropomorphic climate change. Humans have so little impact on the Earth’s weather as to be negligible.
In addition to the climate issues, supervolcanos can cause all sorts of other issues.
About 70K years ago, a supervolcano named Toba, in Indonesia, erupted. What is important about Toba is that geneticists have noted that many ancient DNA strains disappeared at about that same time, as if there was a bottleneck that occurred. It is estimated that the entire human population came within a hair’s breadth of extinction. Human breeding pairs, worldwide, may have been reduced to as few as 10,000. That’s serious.
Tim, I believe the Yellowstone eruption deposited 8 meters of ash on Ok. I remember the number from a History Channel program several years ago. Whatever, it must have dropped the earth’s average temp several degrees for decades. Krakatoa dropped the world’s temps by 2 degrees for about 4 years.
I think that Yellowstone, the Long Valley Caldera and the Crater Lake volcano all erupted within a short time of each other.
All it take is the bubble of magma filling the magma chamber to bursting, which is happening now more frequently than it used to in Chile. There also seems to be a pickup in activity in Central American volcanoes.
Like Mt St. Helen, when the cap blows off, all that pressure is released in one big blow. Yellowstone is much larger and deeper. Remove the weight of the cap and dissolved gasses will expand immediately. After the first blow, the caldera (about 20 miles across) will slump into the magma chamber below, releasing pressure in a huge eruption.
Tom, I once spent about four hours of a late morning and early afternoon watching Mt. Saint Helens blow up from about 50 miles away. Although there was a large initial eruption, the explosions went on for a long time until there was so much ash in the air you couldn’t see very well anymore. It was a jaw-dropping display of natural power. The only thing I ever saw that even came close, including a couple of earthquakes, was once being in a hurricane in Florida.
The most intimidating thing I have ever seen happen while I watched was the live broadcast of the tidal wave that swept across the seawalls of Fukushima prefecture and engulfed everything ahead of it. It was like watching a gigantic amoeba engulf a struggling paramecium. All the other stuff that followed, the airport being overwhelmed and soil liquidation – things like that – were enough to stop anyone in their tracks.
The southern island Sendai is becoming volcanically active. That entire fault keeps shaking. It isn’t over yet, and neither is the Aceh Banda fault off Sumatra’s coast.
Krakatoa is no longer with us. Reckon they’ll settle for Mount Pinatubo?
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/1997/fs113-97/
Even Fuji-san is rumbling now and then.
Obviously, you’ve never been to Ft. Irwin in the dead of Summer, with the majority of the 11th Cav in the midst of conflict with III Corps and the 1st Cav, churning about in many dozens of M1’s, Bradley’s, carriers, and trucks of all issued style, throwing Biblical clouds of dust into the air, to be seen and inhaled from most any point in the entire Mojave desert and Las Vegas.
Roger. BTDT.(6 times with the 4th ID)
All Hail The Whale.
If Mark Steyn can ever get the D.C. Court to move his case forward he is going to get a nice judgement against Mann.
Damn you, Ex, and your annoying facts!
Ikeed, I keed! Good read, thanks.
The mainstream media loves a boogeyman, and it really likes to make things a matter of simple polemics. From a media perspective, climate-change prophets of doom are the good guys; those who would question them are the bad guys.
It’s probably also true that a political administration which finds itself inept at economic recovery or foreign policy can lessen the perception of its own shortcomings by redefining what’s important. From a land use standpoint, it can also push for more control by, for example, a denial of personal transportation in favor of urban centralization via mass transit.
Part of all this zero-sum game, in which the bickering over climate change acts as a distraction, also tends to cut off funding for energy-related research into technology which might actually make sense. For people like Hillary Clinton to natter on about how every home in America should have a solar panel is to ignore what’s possible with existing photovoltaics, and how unlikely it is to keep somebody’s butt warm in Minnesota in winter.
On the other hand, I’d be first in line to buy beers for the guy who came up with an effective hydrogen fuel cell retrofit for a ’67 Pontiac GTO. But that’s just me.
The church didn’t wait into 1992 in order to accept that the earth went around the sun. What they did was acknowledge that how they handled Galileo was wrong. Efforts to rectify the Galileo situation began before the 20th Century. Also, during the time the Church was on Galileo’s case for pushing a solar centric universe, they were supporting a group of Jesuit priests who were working to mathematically prove that the earth went around the sun. The church was accepting of Galileo’s argument provided that he qualified that as a theory, and not provable fact. We take for granted that the earth orbits the sun. We have enough data. However, after watching planetary motion, and the movement of the constellations across the pre-morning sky across the first part of this year, I could see one of the reasons to why they reacted to Galileo the way they did. Back in those days, you didn’t need the church to threaten you with burning at the stake for pushing a set of ideas that simply contradicted what was considered as fact. Everybody and his brother, or most everybody on the planet at that time, believed that the entire universe orbited the earth. Unlike today, where people have access to a crap load of information, and even pier reviewed journals, most people were focused on things that surrounded them. Crops, craft, community events, community gossip, etc. Most the population were farmers, and they utilized the sky as an annual planner. For the majority of the population, it was a no brainer that “everything circle around the earth”. Back then, someone insisting, as fact, something that clearly contradicted accepted knowledge and fact in those days would be equivalent to someone trying to argue with you that Nibiru actually exists, and it’s about to cross paths with the earth this year. Note, Galileo argued that the universe orbited the sun, as indicated above. We know today that’s not true, as the sun orbits the center of the galaxy as far as the data is concerned. What’s not mentioned so much in the history books… Read more »
There wasn’t really enough room for me to go into the details of Galileo’s personality clash with the Church. Urban VIII’s real problem was the politics involved. He was under a great deal of pressure and was adamant that publicly supporting Galileo by letting him publish officially would cause public chaos and destroy stability.
There just wasn’t enough room to go into all of that, but thank you for adding that info to the page.
Wait for the big blowout. We accept Science by measurement and experiment as fact, but it will never be Proof. Currently, we are trying to reconcile Relativity with the quantum world. Woohoo, what a conundrum; to study the Grand Illusion. Our math will not balance, the small parts do “impossible” things. The large parts cannot balance the equation without inventing spooky additions that cannot be seen or measured.
Does the ship move through space, or does space move past the ship? – Uncle Al ‘Whirligig’ Einstein
Give it time, or a Higgs boson. Or is that ‘bison’??? Hmmm….
The Pope did give him positive support toward publishing something, provided that he identified it as a “theory”. He had also assured Galileo that the sun centric universe theory was going to be able to continue to run during his papacy. Also, back in those days, mocking the monarchy, their counterparts in their colonies, or high-ranking members of the church, were serious crimes that came with stiff punishment. Spanish friars, in the Spanish colonies, bucked that trend and criticized colonial administrators for how they treated the natives. But, in Europe, it was a serious issue to deal with. Especially in this case, mocking the Pope when he was under political pressure, to include the one coming from Spain attempting to force him to subordinate the Vatican to Spanish influence. Going back to observing the constellations and the planets, during the predawn morning, during my runs. I’ve seen Jupiter and Mars retrograde relative to the background stars. So far this year, I’ve also seen, without the aid of a telescope, Venus, Mars, and Jupiter as tiny spherical “beads” with day and night sides identifiable. A few days ago, the moon was in the same patch of sky that Saturn, Mars, and Antares were. It looked like both the moon, and Mars, where “looking” in the direction of the sun. Knowing what we know now, it’s easy to see how these retrogrades actually prove that we are going around the sun. Mars went from being between Virgo and Libra, then progressed through Libra, Scorpio, and into Ophiuchus. On the way to Ophiuchus, Mars passed by Beta Scorpii, closed the distance in the sky towards Saturn, and widen that between that of Jupiter and in itself. In three days, I saw Mars go from west of Beta Scorpii to the east of Beta Scorpii. That was a small patch of sky to transit, but that gave a sense of how fast Mars is moving in its orbit. It ended up in Ophiuchus, but is now back in Scorpio as we are in the process of overtaking Mars. It’s pre retrograde path, it’s current… Read more »
Another issue which doesnt get much play is that the church had huge reservations about the accuracy of Galileo’s observations.
The lenses of the time were poorly made and full of artifacts. The church was highly skeptical of the bare-eye observations made, wondering if the Saturn moons (for example) were flaws within the lens.
This goes back to another element of unexamined common wisdom; everyone assumes that the lenses made at that time were equivalent in quality to today’s.
At the time it mafe perfect sense to question the original observations.
Thank you. I know you guys like more pictures to look at but I couldn’t find any deer in camo bikinis. I’ll try harder next time.
Sorry it’s so long. The bad PR these researchers are getting is casting shadows on people who do valid research but don’t buy into that PC nonsense.
We need the research. We do not need the PC twaddle.
In RVN we used to drop leaflets in villages prior to a search and destroy mission. Ex may have stumbled on to a new idea. Drop leaflets over ISIS areas, each with pictures of goats in negligees. Next day follow with pictures of women with no clothes on. Those waiting 72 virgins will have a long line waiting to get to see them.
Fell down laughing, woke the cat!
I do not have the energy to get involved in this one. It really does not matter at this point. The debate is settled.
It is the politics that have yet to be worked out. Those no convinced cannot be convinced with evidence or reason.
It will take a shift in peer recognition over times. As fewer and fewer people deny climate change the within peer group dialogue and expectations will change and more and more people will stop denying climate change until there is a tiny irrelevant demographic of holdouts.
I you are not already convinced nothing I could possible say will change anyone’s mind on climate change. You need to hear it from friends, family, coworkers, and other peer group members for you to listen and potentially change positions.
Hey Lars. Jonn forwarded my email address to you. I’ve gone through the process you’re going through with the VA. I think I can probably help with some info.
Thanks animal.
Your welcome. It’s a sincere offer. And it’s not anything I’ve come up with, but stuff other’s helped me with.
Mr. Medieval is on your ass Jonn. Lars, if you don’t have the energy to get involved, why even waste your time informing we, the great unwashed, who don’t give a rat’s ass, what you say?
Now, back to my promise to you. Yes, YOU the know it all who said, “People who are afraid of Communism are foolish” This post includes the KIA, WIA, and missing from only two wars fought against your pleasant, kind, and generous Communist friends. Korea..KIA 36,516..WIA 92,134..Missing 4,759..for a grand total of 133,409 Fathers, Brothers, and so on American lives turned upside down by defending this great country against the spread of your favorite..COMMUNISM! RVN…KIA 58,209..WIA 153,303..Missing 2,489..For a grand total of 213,943 Fathers, Brothers, and so on American lives turned upside down by defending this great country against the spread of Yep, your favorite..COMMUNISM! SO far, we are talking about a total of 347,352 Fathers, Brothers, and so on American lives turned upside down by fighting your favorite..COMMUNISM!
Pretty staggering numbers when they are totaled up. All in the name of being “Foolishly worried” about of all things, COMMUNISM!
The promise continues. Every time you open your yap, your own words will be remembered just as those you wrote today…Pure Rubbish from a nobody who seeks to self-award with pseudo-intellectual awards for being such a deep thinker. Deep, as in the bottom of a septic tank.
Run your mouth again Mr. Zero..there’s PLENTY of numbers to add to your shallow thought pool.
Check your calendar.
Cold war is over. More than Two decades ago.
Communism lost. It was not even close.
Stop being afraid.
I think you’re a little premature in calling communism defeated. North Korea and China are still driving forces in world politics. Throughout history, the generation that’s said there will never be another big war has doomed the next generation to fight a big one.
I’m with you Animal. Considering the fact that the assburnie pukes actually believe that there is a “good democratic socialism”.
There is no such thing as good socialism, it always ends the same, don’t believe me? Go to Venezuela and live there for a few years, there is little electricity, food, and even toilet paper is non-existent in that hellhole of socialism, read communism.
It’s only a matter of time for the deportations and re-education camps to start with the requisite beginnings of the murders of people that disagree with the ruling class.
Why don’t you go down there lars, tell them how they are living the good life and that you feel their pain…
That oughtta go over big, like a turd in the hot tub…
Oh, one more thing here lars old buddy, go fuck yourself…
Commissar: I do not have the energy to get involved in this one. Yet, your actions contradict the words. If you did not have the energy to get involved, you would not have gone beyond this one line. Instead, you proved that statement wrong by staking a position in this argument. Commissar: It really does not matter at this point. The debate is settled. No, the debate is not settled. In fact, that is not how science works. Cold hard science does not support the argument that people are behind climate change, or that the planet is even warming up. Historical trends do not lie. There is a correlation between solar sunspot activity and long-range climate. The last time the sun behaved the way it is behaving now, we were in the beginning of a mini ice age. We are currently in the beginning of a new mini Ice Age. As these years progress, it will be even harder for those, who insist that the planet is “warming up” to argue their position. Commissar: It is the politics that have yet to be worked out. The politics will not be worked out on it on the account that there is disagreement. Until there is agreement in the science, there will be disagreement in the politics. Commissar: Those no convinced cannot be convinced with evidence or reason. You described your side of the argument perfectly with that statement. There is a growing body of evidence, involving the sun, and its impact on atmospheric and geological activity on us, as being behind long-range climate trends. The science is out there, yet those that insist that the planet is “warming up” and that we are “behind it” cannot advance the argument without fudging up the facts. Simple things like “averaging up” average temperature, or leaving official thermometers in locations that are natural or artificial heat bubbles, bias temperature readouts towards the warm side of the spectrum against the cool side of the spectrum. Raw data, and multiple disciplines that cover climate, point in the direction of the world currently in a cooling trend.… Read more »
BWAHAHAHA!!! Epic takedown, but Lars is a climate cultist and his faith is impenetrable.
I remember sitting in a college course over 25 years ago and listening to all of the horrible things that were absolutely going to happen to us if we didn’t immediately change our evil consuming ways-in particular I remember the prof saying that we would definitely be out of gas by now (a few years ago actually). But like all other end times religions the climate cultists aren’t deterred by their predictions being wrong-they are certain that the apocalypse is coming and their faith cannot be shaken by the voices of heretics.
The debate is settled?
Now who’s spreading dogma?
There are far too many holes in the CAGW to take it seriously. Trying to prop it up puts one in the same position of those who proposed epicycles, then epicycles on epicycles to support the dogma of an earth-based solar system.
These people insisted the model was “true” even while it failed to create accurate predictions, as opposed to embracing the solar-centric model.
Thanks for the piece PH2. I know it represents a lot of work but unfortunately such fact-based evidence has little meaning for the Chicken Little’s of liberalism who seem to have a masochistic need for impending doom. Michael Savage says it’s a mental disorder and the more bizarre liberalism becomes, I’m inclined to agree that their brains are wired so that they have difficulty in processing reasoned explanations that their fears are unfounded. It’s like they in some way get a positive, satisfying feedback from being afraid like children do from horror movies.
Who knows, perhaps someday neurological researchers will discover chemical imbalances or disordered sequences in synapse firings that explain this need for lemming-like doom as well as their stubborn refusal to absorb any contradictory physical evidence that might explain it away.
Lars would be a perfect subject for such research.
Poetrooper, Lars is a braindead idiot whose only purpose in life is to pick a fight with anyone – anyone, at all.
She failed to produce actual evidence that Michael Mann lied.
Nothing attributed directly to him. Nothing at all.
I looked into the Michael Mann claims. They seemed absurd. A scientist at a major institution claiming to be a Nobel Laureate when he was not is a ridiculous scenario.
People in leading academic circles tracks Nobel prizes and maintain awareness of who and who does not get them. It would be like a guy in a Ranger battalion showing up for a class A inspection wearing a Medal of Honor he never earned… and nobody noticing.
It just does not happen that someone has that on their CV or would put that on their CV and hope nobody notices.
So I looked into it. And sure enough, he NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE A NOBEL PRIZE.
There is not a single source substantiating that he claimed to have won a nobel prize. The only sites that claim he did is an echo chamber of conservative blog posts. Not journalistic articles. Just guys with a opinion talking to other guys that share that opinion. Opinion blogs. Not journalism.
There was a poorly written piece by a local journalist that mistakenly attributed one to him based on his CV. This seems to have triggered the controversy. Put the article did not say he claimed to have won one. The person that wrote the article mistakenly attributed the prize to him based on misunderstanding what IPCC recognition for contributing to work the resulted in the Nobel prize means.
What his CV said was that he had contributed to work that received the Nobel prize. Which is true. He did. But he never claimed to have earned, received, or been awarded a nobel prize.
Only that he was recognized by the IPCC for contributing to work for which one was awarded. Which is true.
Well, you’re wrong. He had included it in his academic bio for Penn State. It was not until he was called out on it that he was forced to remove it. He is not the only person lying about claiming to have received the Nobel Prize.
I provided valid backup for what I said. If you choose to dispute the findings of other people, that’s your problem, not mine.
I read the unaltered bio and he does not claim to have won the Nobel prize. What is says is, in reference to the IPCC study; “He contributed, with other authors, to the award of the 2007 Nobel price.”
Which is a true statement.
https://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/2012/10/28/michael-mann-retracts-false-nobel-prize-claims-in-humiliating-climbdown/
Take a gander at the before and after bio’s. The relevant part is even highlighted.
Geir Lundestad, director of the Nobel Institute in Oslo:
” Michael Mann has never been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.”
From The Actual Winner: “It is incorrect to refer to any IPCC official, or scientist who worked on IPCC reports, as a Nobel laureate or Nobel Prizewinner.”
http://www.steynonline.com/6140/the-lie-that-wont-die
Mark Steyn is quite the expert on that lying POS as they are embroiled in a court case.
Here is a little background http://www.steynonline.com/6910/mann-vs-steyn-the-state-of-play
Gee, that was easy
I contributed to the work that resulted in the award of the Collier Trophy to my company, but I don’t claim that award on my CV. Or my Resume either.
But you could. As long as you worded it accurately.
It’s YOU and your banal thoughts that are absurd. Yeh, the ones where you said, “People who are afraid of Communism are foolish”. Here we go again! Korea..total number of American lives marred in the fight against your favorite, COMMUNISM! 133,409. RVN..total number of American lives marred in the fight against your favorite, COMMUNISM!, 213,943
USSR..approximate number of citizens killed by Communists..20 million!
That’s a LOT of lives lost and misplaced by a body we are “Foolish” (in your own words) for worrying about.
The ONLY thing more foolish than what you type is the mental diarrhea swirling through your empty mind.
I am not wasting my time with someone still afraid of communists.
And I am not a communist. Not do I “favor” communists.
And it has nothing to do with whether Michael Mann lied.
I urge those of you who subscribe to the climate change theory to do more to reduce your personal use of fossil fuels. You need to do more to offset the charcoal-burning, aerosol using, gas guzzler drivers like me. So, step it up. We’re counting on you!
I like being warm in the winter, so I run the furnace. I put a new, more efficient blower motor in the furnace last fall. Higher efficiency allowed my gas bill to drop noticeably.
I’m completely in favor of high efficiency. I’m not in favor of being cold.
I hunt and kill my own food. I cook it using “Non-renewable” hydro power and heat my cave with wood, lots of wood. If the earth warmed up a bit there would be fewer deer killed in the winter and I would not have to split so much firewood. Warmer, longer growing seasons might just increase my corn and grain yields for my whiskey making. Suck it Chumps. Oh. And if the water rises, use your feet and walk to higher ground. Besides, the greens say we need more wetlands and marshes. There you go. Enjoy the solar variations because man does not have the power to start or end climate change.
To answer your question EX-PH2. Do you mean all of the predictions that the chicken little goofs have made over the last 40 years From Ice age in the late sixties to “Snow will be a thing of the past”? Yogi said it best. “Predictions are hard, especially when you are talking about the future”
The sky is falling, Roger in Republic. There was a lot of on my rooftop up to the end of March, when it melted. Now it’s dribbling on my roof. I expect to see Frost Fairs on the Thames River in the UK and along the Hudson River in another winter or two.
Excuse me, I have to go chase the deer away from the birdfeeder. They are disdaining the grass in my yard. Takes too much chewing on their part.
After spending two years in Ft Wainwright Alaska, crossing the Arctic Circle many times in winter and summer and the next 35+ years in Wisconsin way too close to the Arctic Circle I can attest that global warming is a good thing.
Why in the hell would anyone want to get the world from warming up???
The consequences of cold weather are hell on Earth whereas heat cannot be shoveled and therefore is much easier to live with and adjust to…
Even nature knows how much easier it is to live in warmer climates than cold ones. That is why there are few species of animals living in Arctic & Antarctic regions and the Equatorial regions are teeming with life…
Oh, but wait, that would qualify me as being a non-believer and subject to imprisonment…
Bring it on lars old buddy. You take point on this operation…
Here we go. The Poodle says he could not find one single instance which documents Michael E. Mann’s claim of being a Nobel laureate.
This is one unaltered piece of evidence.
https://fakenobellaureates.com/#jp-carousel-195
This is another, from Penn State’s campus server BEFORE and AFTER his claim was removed.
https://johnosullivan.wordpress.com/2012/10/28/michael-mann-retracts-false-nobel-prize-claims-in-humiliating-climbdown/
Here is Nobel’s response to the query:
1) Michael Mann has never been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
2) He did not receive any personal certificate. He has taken the diploma awarded in 2007 to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (and to Al Gore) and made his own text underneath this authentic-looking diploma.
3) The text underneath the diploma is entirely his own. We issued only the diploma to the IPCC as such. No individuals on the IPCC side received anything in 2007.
“Unfortunately we often experience that members of organizations that have indeed been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize issue various forms of personal diplomas to indicate that they personally have received the Nobel Peace Prize. They have not.”
Commissar, you are a lying sack of shit. You made NO effort of any kind to find anything about Mann’s claim of being a Nobel laureate. You didn’t even look.
You are nothing but a damned contemptible liar.
Are you kidding me? The “unaltered piece of evidence” is the EXACT ARTICLE I WAS REFERRING TO. In that article Michael Mann NEVER makes the claim he was awarded a Nobel Prize. The “journalist” who wrote the article said he won the Nobel prize. That is not the same thing. The Journalist was wrong and had mistakenly attributed the Nobel prize to him because he did not understand what it meant that the IPCC recognized Michael Mann for work he did that contributed to Nobel prize winning results. Johnosullivan’s personal wordpress blog page is not a source. He offers no proof that Michael Mann claimed he was a Nobel Laureate. There is nothing on his blog proving Micheal Mann claimed the Nobel prize. Nothing. His blog is as full of shit as any other climate deniers opinion. That is exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned the echo chamber of personal blogs. They blog that they believe Michael Mann made this claim and all use each other as evidence. NONE OF THEM PROVIDED ANY ACTUAL EVIDENCE. And don’t call me a lying piece of shit when I FOUND THE EXACT SAME SOURCES YOU DID AND FUCKING REFERENCED THEM. The Nobel response is unsubstantiated nonsense AGAIN ON A PERSONAL BLOG. We do not know what that exchange entailed or what if anything the committee said. All we know is that he did not win a Nobel prize. But he never claimed he did. So that is irrelevant. Micheal Mann contributed to work that received a Nobel prize. That is an undisputed fact. He never claimed more and he never claimed otherwise. There is also bullshit being made about the University information pages. On his biographical information page it has a correct statement. Probably because the bio pages are often penned or proofread by the professors. On the department information page is has a line that is misleading and arguably false. But Professors do not write the department pages. An admin or a work study student usually does. It is not evidence that Michael Mann made the claim. The rest… Read more »
Then please go away and leave me the hell alone, you asshole.
If you choose to NOT read screenshots, your opinion is worthless.
You are lying, Taylor.
You did NOT find the same sources that I did. If you had, you’d have seen that he is labeled a Nobel laureate.
You are lying in your teeth.
Bullshit. He is NOT labeled a Nobel Laureate.
I read your sources. They are the same ones that came up only my search.
They have only speculation and conjecture. No actual evidence that Michael Mann lied.
And you are a shitbag for accusing me of lying.
You have yet to provide a single piece of ACTUAL evidence he lied. Nothing attributed to him or by him. No quotes. Not his CV. None of her personal writings or statements
You have nonsense conjecture on a blog.
A journalist that mistakenly attributed the prize to him.
And a poorly written Department information page that has a misleading statement. Professors do not write department website information pages. He did not write the misleading line.
None of it proves he claimed to have won the nobel prize. All the evidence that can be DIRECTLY attributed to him actually show he constantly claims he contributed to work that resulted in the Nobel Prize. This is true. He did.
He did not lie.
Commissar DOES NOT know me.
Hey, Jack! How’s it hanging? Seen the family (Holy, Fulla, Deep and Dumb) and their pets (dog, cat and hamster) lately?
So Lars, if I understand your reasoning, Mann has no responsibility to contact the journalist or the individual who manages the website to have corrections made to either the story or the website?
Retractions or corrections to a story are posted in the papers or online all the time. A statement on the website noting the correction can also be done. Either Mann has not been honest about his accomplishments or he knew about the problems with the story and website and just didn’t care about correcting them.
You have history when it comes to bullshit claims, Lars.
Bullshit yourself, you lazy fuck.
If my resources are the same as those you found, you can’t prove it. You did NOT post your references. You are using MY references, and not providing your own backup.
Using someone else’s references, resources, evidence – WHATEVER – and claiming that you found it first without proving that you did so says, bluntly, that you do not do your own work. You steal it from other people and claim that it’s yours.
That alone makes you nothing but a lying sack of shit.
So fuck off and die, asshole!
You’ve wasted time on every occasion you post here Sweet Pea. I’ll say it with contempt…you are a lying piece of shit, a f____g moron, a bullshit artist, a shit bag, and worst of all the dumb ass who made the statement right on this site that “People who are afraid of Communism are foolish”. Further more, IMHO you are LYING when you claim you are not a Communist. Making such an inflammatory statement as above, knowing 347,352 Americans were either KIA, WIA, or MIA in both Korea and RVN. Add the estimated 20 million killed by your Communists friends in the USSR, to the 65 million people killed in China by your Communist friends…sooner or later you are going to piss off a few veterans on this site who know the cost of sacrifice. QUITE OBVIOUSLY you do not, nor do you care.
Your responses to remarks this afternoon indicate you are hard pressed to ever admit wrong. Don’t get all postal on us Larsie pooh. Go ahead and admit it, you really want to jump Ex-PH2’s bones. My suggestion to her is hide the cats if Larsie ever comes to visit. Check his pockets for Cat Vaseline.
Eeeeeewwww! Jarhead!
Please! I would rather be stepped on by a woolly rhinoceros!!!
Damn, Jarhead… a spew warning or a pepto-bismol alert… even a link for emergency delivery of 50 gallons of brain bleach before you post like that.
That statement about Lars and Ex-PH2 was wrong… like prison sex wrong.
Father, forgive me for I have sinned. A hair shirt shall penance me for my folly of offending.
Saved again. Thank you HMC. S/F
Bless you, my son… now go consume some ale and pork to cleanse your soul!
I was thinking the same thing Jarhead, nobody on this page is afraid of communism, or anything else for that matter. I’ve stared death in the face way too many times to be afraid of anything…
The only one here afraid of anything is larsyboi, and that list starts with freedom and goes up from there…
OFF TOPIC. Change that has nothing to do with climate…
People who are unhappy or troubled often search for answers in all of the wrong places. They aren’t sure where to turn and their search for peace usually takes them to places and to things which exacerbate their uneasiness while giving them the sense that they have, at last, found something they can latch onto. Invariably, they find they are mistaken, that the thing or place provides no lasting answer. Some give up, surrendering to their demons in terrible ways. Others effectively surrender by resigning themselves to their lot in life. Still others aggress, blaming outside forces for their plight, sure that if the problem is sourced to something outside of themselves then, necessarily, the solution must lay out there somewhere, too. Then there’s that other group to which some number of us belong. This is the group that sought help, that said, “I’ve tried this. I’ve tried that. Nothing has really worked. I need some help here.” And then the magic happened. The crazy part is that the solution always, always, always, has been at hand, right inside. And if you have no clue what I’m talking about, that’s fine. I’m guessing, however, that most do, whatever your flavor of demon.
I find that journaling helps. Most of it is mindbabble, nothing else, but occasionally, something useful surfaces and is addressed.
Ex-PH2…Warning!!!!! Should you ever be in a bar and a tall dark, and butt ugly stranger who smells bad approaches you…it will probably be Larsie Pooh. You’ll know to avoid him when he uses this pick up line:
“I’m Yuri Gagarin, mind if I check out Uranus?”
Love you, too, Jarhead. You do make me laugh loud enough to wake the dead sometimes.
“What are we supposed to do if their predictions turn out to be wrong?”
…Let me recommend a novel called Fallen Angels, by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. Some of it is off the wall, but the basic thrust is this: in the 2040s, the world is run by people who believed global warming was about to destroy the world…so they stopped it, heedless of the cost. And now they’ve found that the only thing that was holding off a Snowball-Earth, Glaciers-In-Miami Ice Age was our CO2 emissions.
The official response in the novel, by the way, is a government effort to blame the ice on the few people who can stop it, and try to kill ’em. Sounds like something our government would do.
Mike
I never that one. I think the last Niven/Pournelle book I read was ‘Lucifer’s Hammer’. But the proposition which is the basis for the disaster in ‘Fallen Angels’ – climate engineering – is being looked at now. The idea is to inject sulfate particles into the atmosphere to increase the planet’s albedo factor.
The problem with this is that we have a reasonably stable planetary system that has its ups and downs, and messing with that is a really, really bad idea. It makes far more sense to just keep the place clean, doesn’t it? Get the plastic crap out of the Pacific, for Pete’s sake. Stop overfishing. Stuff like that is worth spending money on it.
It’s like those margarine commercials I used to see on TV when I still had a black & white set: don’t try to fool (with) Mother Nature.
That should be ‘never read’. Sorry, did not proofread. My bad.
If you read no other, read “Inferno” – which postulates that Hell is an asylum for the religiously insane.
Who was it said that Hell was a place so beautiful, it drove people insane? Was it Milton?
Lars is playing the “blame the messenger” game with regards to the Mann “Nobel Prize”. Whether the reporter stated things incorrectly is immaterial because Mann has never repudiated the claim. There is a picture of Mann with a certificate showing the “Nobel Prize” which has his name on it. Either he or the reporter falsified the certificate. Even if Mann did not formally make the claim, he tacitly went along with the claim – a lie by omission. The Nobel Prize Committee issued a formal statement that Mann did not win the prize. Mann routinely made statements which imply that because the IPPC won the prize and he was a part of the IPPC then by inference he won the Prize. That is like saying that because I support the Super Bowl winner as a fan, I earned the Super Bowl ring. Nice try Lars. As for Mann’s hockey stick, McIntyre and McKitrick (sp?) (see the ClimateAudit website) did the most brutal take down of sloppy, crappy science that I have ever seen. Mann’s hockey stick is sloppy, crappy and disingenuous science of the worst order. The “97% of climate scientists agree…” meme is a disingenuous lie. The study which states this number has only 68 scientist respondents, after eliminating nearly 3000 scientists as “unworthy of counting”! One has to be delusional to think there are only 68 competent climate scientists in the world. In fact the authors of the study have since said it was not a good study. I better quit here, because I can go all day on the CAGW scam. I’ve been studying it since 1999. I highly recommend Anthony Watt’s website, WattsUpWithThat.com where you will find in-depth discussions of climate matters by very knowledgeable folks. What warmistas will not acknowledge is that “deniers” do not dispute that the earth has warmed, thank goodness, since the Little Ice Age (~1200-1700 AD). The critics (deniers) dispute that man is the cause of this warming – which quit happening 18 years ago. There are tons of valid arguments which support this position. Pretty good article EX-PH2 though I… Read more »
Thank you, aGrimm.
There is an article on Live Science that says the planet is greening-up because of the rising warmth. This is, and can be regarded as, a good thing. I haven’t read the whole thing and I prefer to find their actual source, but I can do that later.
In re: Galileo, that is a very complicated story, but the relevance – politics and political pull – was what is so relevant to this discussion.
Here’s another site that discusses Climate Change:
http://interested-participant.blogspot.com/
Recalling that our period of existence is only a fart in the windstorm of time, I remain amused about the “climate change” bullshit. That and the fact that science ain’t “settled.” Mark Steyn provides a lot of interesting data-with a large dose of humor. Keep on it Ex-PH2. Semper Fi!
Grazie, borderbill.
You know Ex, this was a great thread until Clueless showed up.
Alas …
Oh, it’s still fine. There are only so many places he can get away with being a blatant twit for very long. He has all the usefulness of a used paper match.
A soiled tampon is logarithmically more valuable in the world than Lars.
I believe George Carlin summed it up correctly in 2009.
Now that is an epic post.
Well done!
Thank you! Appreciate the feedback.
Well done, PH2! My spouse is always saying to follow the money. It seems you and I read the same stuff, too. We can’t fix Lars’ stupid and we don’t have his RCG’s to shield us from their reality, do we? ? I prefer my sunglasses!!!
I am waiting for the other shoe to drop, Defend. Thank you.