Norman Reynolds; veteran arrested for shooting at shoplifters
I’m sure you recognize the fellow pictured above. His name is Norman Reynolds, he’s from Elkhart, Indiana and he was arrested there a few weeks ago for shooting at two shoplifters;
Reynolds, who served 24 years in the Army and Air Force and has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, told ABC57 reporter Taylor Popielarz that he pulled out his gun to try to keep the suspects from getting away. He said the suspect who was in the passenger seat vanished from sight momentarily and Reynolds was afraid he might reappear with a weapon. He told ABC57 that he shot at the truck once just behind the passenger seat in an effort to frighten the suspect.
“I wanted them to stay there until the police arrived,” Reynolds said.“I figured if he had a weapon, he wasn’t gonna use it then.”
Reynolds told the TV station that he has handled firearms for 45 years and that he never intended to shoot anyone. “There’s no way the bullet was going anywhere else” other than the truck, he said.
Since the incident, Reynolds, whose next court date is early next year, has kept a low profile and no longer carries a gun.
I’m glad he’s not carrying a gun if he thinks that shoplifting carries a death sentence. But, yes he is a veteran. This is what he was wearing in that jacked-up uniform he had on;
His records say that he earned most of that stuff, but that he doesn’t have master jump wings – there is no mention of jumpmaster training.
I think I remember something about the XVIIIth Airborne Corps’ Recondo Schools becoming their PNCOC back in the day and that’s probably why he’s wearing the 101st Recondo patch. But, yes, he even has the Expert Infantryman Badge. He got out of the Air Force as an E-6 Technical Sergeant.
So, yeah, you can light him up for wearing his uniform like a homeless bum, but, other than the Master Jump wings, it looks like he earned the rest of it. And those boots. Screw him with those boots.
Updated 4-15-2016; Norm was sentenced after a plea deal to 18-month suspended sentence, probation and a $300 fine.
Category: Shitbags
Shooting at shoplifters? SMOOTH MOVE, EX-LAX!
Many have drank from the. Fountain of Knowledge, but he just gargled and spat!
never shot at them if so they would be dead! When thief ducked down, I shot the truck in hopes he would stay down and wait for police. Bullet hole in truck shows where I aimed and hard to miss 2 feet away. So, asshole next? So sick of fellow vets trained to handle situations and does are contemned. No worry though if your wife is being raped or beaten, I will walk by, hear nothing or see nothing. According to police if not directly involved walk. I will now.
If you’re not shooting to kill, keep your booger hook off the bang switch! Stupid move to shoot to wound or scare.
And for pity’s sake, square away that uniform, sergeant! For starters, unblouse those boots:
AFI 36-2903 18 JULY 2011
6.4.1.6. Black combat boots will be without design and can be worn with the service dress uniform. Pants will not be bloused (Exception: Pararescue, Combat Rescue Officers, Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape, Combat Control Personnel, Special Tactics Officers, Air-Weather Service Parachutists, Air Liaison Officers, and Tactical Air Command and Control Specialist).
I am a paratrooper and will blouse them. If I wear them again. They are to uncomfortable. I am retired so don’t need to wear them.
“Paratrooper” is not an authorized AFSC for blousing boots. And that mustache is out of regs, too.
And you still haven’t addressed the unlawful reckless discharge of a firearm.
Most retired vets that can fit in their uniform have beards. Are going to correct them? Did not think so. I don’t have to explain to you. I have explained plenty to others on here. Don’t worry though, if your wife, daughter, sister… I will never interject again. I see or hear nothing anymore. Let them steal, rape, destroy property. Does not matter as long as not to me. That is what all of you want so be it! I am Army and Air Force both so Fuck all of you that can not deal with that. DD-214 does not have everything like my TS/SBI/SCI clearance I was in OSI, an AMT on EC-130, and on U2 Skivvy nine in Korea where that clearance was needed. Yes I have documentation for everything. You sound like you were a crew chief that everything evolved around them. Anyways bury yourself in regs they will surely help when you are retired.
Hey, Norm, I DON’T HAVE A BEARD! You’re making a blanket statement that is based on NOTHING.
I see them all the time at DAV and VFW. Not going to nit pick this. Not worth time.
So, you’re admitting publicly to (a) unlawful reckless discharge of a firearm, and (b) being an idiot.
Figures. Also doesn’t surprise me one bit.
Yep, because shooting at them would certainly make them say “Hey, let’s stay right here, where this guy is shooting at us, and wait for the cops.”
The only asshole here is Norman.
I should not have tried to help in retrospect. Perhaps I should have waited for druggie thief to come up with a weapon and shot at me or Big R employees. Then you and others would be happy to read thieves shot veteran and or big r employees. That makes you an asshole. You couch potato referees know the fix to everything and do nothing. I shot once! Not at them. Not reckless. Put yourself in my shoes take your panties off first though. All talk on hear and no guts. Hope none of you thought like this in a combat situation but Doubt if many of you have.
I have been there tough guy. Both in the military and as a police officer. You blew it. I think the fact that the state isn’t letting you carry a concealed weapon anymore speaks volumes as to what your fellow citizens thought about it.
I can’t believe this crap! Norman Reynolds has always respected the law and military; now, I can see why does not anymore. You try to help out and this is what you get? Never No More! Not even ME!!!
He does not anymore!!!
I agree??
Nice, asshole. Hopefully the DA isn’t reading this, otherwise you’ll be Bubba’s bitch after your conviction.
And yeah, here’s hoping you never get to carry anything more dangerous than a burnt out match in public ever again. And I say that as a 10-year CCW permit holder.
I guess he got a little caught up in the ‘Death Wish’ movies. Shooting jaywalkers was next?
And this is why we can’t have nice things.
Way to dishonor your service there parading all around in your shit and behaving like a frecking Rambo dumbass there Testicle Sergeant.
/fuckstick.
Well said Senior
Says the cunt that don’t know shit! Easy for assholes to make commits with no facts. I have not been arrested and nor will I. I will have to pay about 2 thousand and be on probation for 18 months. That is a lifetime at age 61 in a week. Also lose my CCP. No worries though, when I go buy and your wife or daughter is being raped, I hear and see nothing. Police said if not directly involved to walk. I will.
Communicate in english much?
And the fact that you are on probation and paying a fine means you were found or pleaded GUILTY or no contest, which means you were charged with a crime, which in most worlds means you were in some way “arrested”.
Too early to be drinking. Just sayin’.
count of aiming at someone with a deadly weapon was dropped because evidence showed otherwise. Recklessness is still a charge. I shot in a public place. Does not matter if anyone was in danger, it was still a public place.
I AGREE??
Marbles. Mouth. Spit em out.
And the fact you’re in Indiana and I’m not, yeah, I’m going to have to go with the fact you wouldn’t call anyone were someone trying to break into my house.
But that’s okay. I can still legally carry a weapon, and you can’t. Poof, motherfucker. Begone.
Your language gives your intelligence level away. There are other ways to defend my house and no, I did not fuck your mother, must have been some one else’s boots there.
‘“There’s no way the bullet was going anywhere else” other than the truck, he said.”‘ — Shows he is clueless. No one ever knows where a bullet is going to go or how it’s going to act when it leaves the barrel. Idiot.
Ya from 2 feet away, I knew where the bullet was going and It was not FMJ (hope your higher intelligence knows what that is)was not worried about a ricochet. So, dumb ass anything else from one that has not seen evidence. By the way I always reply on facebook Veterans do not stand alone, because I do! No one said sorry when Fox28 vindicated me for stolen valor. As the investigator from Ft. Campbell said Looks fishy but is legit!
He had himself a real ID10-T error there. Shooting at a non violent criminal to “scare them”, because his 45 years of experience makes him able to magically guide bullets around… Deserves everything they throw at him in Court.
Not even going to say much about his “skydiving clown” outfit.
It’s probably time for him to have a sit down with a mental health professional and a physician to evaluate his health and mental status.
Exactly. Poor judgment may simply be poor judgment, but he went beyond poor judgment.
Or maybe he just wants to go down in a hail of bullets. If so, send him to Chicago’s South Side and let him take on the gangbangers down there.
F’ing 11 chuck. They were always a pain in the ass. Nice job with the zip up jump boots, BTW.
I don’t see the MSM or the jump master school or badge in there anywhere. I’m also guessing that one week of Air Assault school taught you how to tie a swiss seat, sling load a base plate, and hang off a UH-1 skid.
Plus the coat he is wearing with his service dress uniform was phased out in 1994…which is well before his retirement date in 1999. I see he is wearing a AFCM too, and nope not in the DD214.
Jumpmaster school was at Fort Richardson Alaska May 1978. Received MSM after my retirement because I told MSgt Curlin if I was not good enough before retirement not to waste time on it. Squadron commander told him to do it. Most people get one when they retire. DD-214 does not have my Jungle Expert either, it is on my Army DD-214. Besides AF DD-214, check out 3 DD-214 from the Army and a Form 22 From Army National Guard. Also AF Form 1613 list statement of service to time of AF active duty. For people who doubt my time. While you are at it find out why I was on flight status and what I did with the U2 in korea 303rd Intel Squadron I have a TS/SBI/SCI clearance. That is not on DD-214 either but I have proof of that too! Fox 28 Had this info and came to my house and saw I love me wall and my retirement shadow board. It aired on Jan. 6th. After their investigation, I was legit! I was in the DAV color guard at Chap 15 Goshen, In. Commander wanted us all to have zips on our boots. They are very uncomfortable but as a paratrooper They are worn bloused with dress uniform. It amazes me not one fellow veteran said sorry when media said I was legit. That is ok, I need no one Because out side of Dr. Charles Heck, I stand alone. He retired from the Army as a CW5. Check him out too. You people wont believe his record either but will be legit. By the way, Khakis were phased out too but if I had them, I would wear them if all I had.
The Jungle Expert badge wasn’t an authorized badge, so it shouldn’t be on your DD214. No real paratrooper ever wore zippers on their Corcorans. Buy some Kiwi for goodness sakes.
On DD-214 it is listed as JWTC Jungle Warfare Training Course. You must not have gone. Surprise, Surprise! It was authorized subdued on Fatigues and Field jacket but not dress uniform. On the boots, they are 41 years old, and I did not jump wearing them because poor support and not comfortable. Again for a non-thinking LEG as yourself, I will repeat slower for you. I put zippers on them because the DAV color guard commander wanted all of us to be uniform, you know all the same. Great for parades and we did a lot of them. Now being 70% disabled and most likely will be 100% after appeal is over. Cant do parades anymore. I wear to any government function. Since so many attack me, is it true that Army and Air Force have become so pussified they have time outs when Drill Sgt. yells at them? I went through jump school Oct 73, were you even born yet? This is why I liked recon, we took care of each other no matter what. Now it is every asshole trying to discredit a fellow vet that did more in 2 years then most do in 20. Fox28 investigated me because so many calls on stolen valor. Investigator said looked fishy but afterwards said I was legit. Not good enough for my so called fellow veterans. I stand alone!
The reason the Jungle Expert badge was not authorized for wear on Greens/Blues was that it was never recognized by DA as a formal Army Badge. Any authorization for wear locally was just that – local authorization.
It’s listed on your DD214 because it’s a training course you attended during that period of active duty. Completing the course did not then and does not now award a permanent Army qualification badge. Therefore, no badge associated with attending that school will be listed under “Awards and Decorations” on your DD214.
Sheesh.
That is correct and why I do not wear it but it is in my retirement shadow board. Is this your job to quote and know all these regs? I have tried to answer you because you seem to be intelligent. We have not disagreed on here so I do not know what the problem is. Maybe because I did to much and cant even get a cup of coffee with all of it. Just a metaphor.
Dimbulb. I attended the course twice. I never wore the patch after I left the units that I was assigned to when I attended.
I cut you a break on the post I wrote about you and your records, but I guess I was too kind. You’re an old asshole (a year older than me) who thinks he knows everything.
I wore it in the Army but not Air Force. Though not authorized, I sometimes wear recondo patch pinned on my air force uniform. Most don’t know nor care what it is. My Army units did accept jungle expert, air force does not. We are not in disagreement. No. I don’t know everything. In fact the older I get the more I know seems less and less. In the big scope of things none of it matters. sorry for being an asshole in fact under different circumstances we would most likely be friends. I don’t meet many people with my training. Hard to relate to others that have not.
No! He is NOT a asshole! Have a little respect!!!! You are just affended that he did more than anyone else can.
Yeah, he did a lot more that I would have because he broke the freaking law!!
He stepped on his own pecker and then shows up here with his “I deserve some respect” attitude.
He’s an asshole and probably always has been one.
” It amazes me not one fellow veteran said sorry when media said I was legit. That is ok, I need no one Because out side of Dr. Charles Heck, I stand alone”
Got to tell you why, Reynolds. It`s quite simple really:
Because you are dickheaded fucking prick with a piss-pour attitude. Now shut the hell up..please!
Uniform was grandfathered because new ones were not issued and they did not want us to run out and buy one. So another thing I am legit on.
“Reynolds, who served 24 years in the Army and Air Force”
Nope. Don’t think so. I’m no great math whiz, but my calculations from his FOIA say he served 19 years, 9 months and 17 days active duty.
I guess some of the time from his 6 year 4 month service break got added in as active duty to make the 20 years and the remainder was counted as shits and grins to make it to 24 years service.
So, did he get goody goody points from somewhere to make up the 2 months and 13 days needed to make the 20 active or was it a “medical” retirement? Guess we’ll never know.
But thanks for playing, Dumbass. Now take your boots and go home.
I saw the same, Claw. Two possible answers
First: he may have had some USAR time after departing active duty. If he had a bit over 4 yrs in the IRR, that would account for the difference between 19y 9+mo and 24y.
Second: he might not have needed extra active time to retire. Can’t recall the precise years, but for some years during the Clintoon administration TERA (temporary early retirement authority) was in effect. That allowed people to retire with as little as 15 years of service, albeit with an actuarially-reduced pension.
Yep, you’re right.
I remember reading some of that stuff about early retirements in the Army Times. But I had retired (31 Dec 91) before Slick Willie ever took office, so really didn’t pay much attention to it.
So I’m still stuck with the mindset of a service man/woman doing the full 20 to be considered a longevity retiree.
I will explain to you shitheads. Enlisted21 May 73,discharged and reenlisted Feb 75 to Jul 77, reenlisted Jul 77 and discharged Feb 79. Have 3 DD-214. Now follow along, enlisted Army National Guard Sep 81 to Apr 83. enlisted Apr 83 to Jun 85. in Air Force Reserves. Went active duty Air Force Jun 85 till May 99. The 1 weekend a month (counts as 4 days) and 2 week annual training adds for active duty time. Again you are another dumb ass that knows nothing about me. I expect nothing less from those on this post. Ya, right veterans stick together.
Um, no. Drills are inactive duty, not active duty. They do not count as “active duty time”.
You get retirement points for drills (typically 4 per drill), not credit for serving on active duty. You also get 1 retirement point for each day of active duty service. If you earn enough retirement points in a retirement year (50 or more, to be precise), that year counts as one of the 20 required for reserve retirement.
Only Annual Training and/or any other periods of bona fide active duty counts as active duty service. Drills and other inactive duty periods or special work for which retirement points are awarded only count towards retirement under reserve retirement rules. And they only count then if (1) they earn retirement points, (2) those retirement points are properly recorded, and (3) you end up with 20 or more years qualifying for reserve retirement.
You may be able to bullsh!t the general public like that, Reynolds. However, that won’t work here. Folks here know a bit more about the military and how it works than your average civilian.
Again, look at my Statement Of Service AF Form 1613 and Special orders No. AC015261 has service for base pay 23 years 5 months and 12 days. active service for retirement 20 years 0 months and 13 days. don’t know what this means but has service per 10 USC 1405 20 years 6 months and 22 days. This is in with my retirement papers. Don’t know how it all added up and don’t really care. I retired and if no one likes it oh well.
I see he was in the Army from 1973 to 1979 but couldn’t find where he got his CIB. Last year in Vietnam?
It’s an EIB not a CIB.
Christ on a pony…stupidity reigns.
..or “reins” lol
Just inquiring: are those boots supposed to have side zippers? I only see that in footwear catalogs. And if he’s going to blouse his pants, why didn’t he do it correctly?
Air Crew could wear jump boots with zippers (my husband did), but at least when I was in the USAF/USAFR, only Security Police were allowed to wear them bloused in blues. Not sure whether they were authorized zippers on the boots, though.
SPs also wore berets, but IIRC, they were black.
Oh. My. God.
I’m at a loss for words with this stupidity. His momma should’ve swallowed.
She did not but yours did just not enough because you are here. Enough with juvenile stuff. You along with all others on here have no clue. Read answers I did for others.
I did. The answers are . . . unconvincing, if not mostly bull.
well what should we expect when we go after…. Hmmmmmm,
I’ll just keep me trap closed Lol….
this is 2 miles from my house and I shop at that store all the time, he’s lucky i wasn’t pulling up as he’s throwing rounds across parking lot
It was 1 round from 2 feet away, could not miss. Trained to double tap but truck fled. Had no reason to shoot again. Not FMJ so no richachet, Lot was almost empty and only people besides druggie thieves were 4 or 5 Big R employees behind me. So not even thieves were in danger of being shot. People speak out and not have a clue to what happened.
You had no reason to shoot in the first place.
Seems there’s a pretty good idea of what happened. You screwed the pooch and are now trying to justify not using lube.
I realize it makes no sense to ask regarding his soup sandwich of a uniform, but what are all the badges he has on his right pocket? Looks like aircrew wings over the pocket and some kind of special skill badge on the pocket flap, and some kind of long, skinny badge on the pocket pleat?
As for the zip up jump boots and army beret worn with a USAF uniform sporting what appears to be maybe a 9th Special Forces Group flash? Not even going to touch that.
Reference:
He was once assigned to the 504th Inf; that unit’s flash was fairly similar to the one he’s wearing. Perhaps the color in the photo above is somewhat off or the flash is faded.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:504th_Infantry_Regiment_Beret_Flash.svg
Alternatively, maybe he screwed up and got the wrong one (9th SF) and sewed it on by mistake.
He doesn’t exactly strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer. My money’s on the latter. (smile)
Either way sister service patches are not authorized on an AF uniform unless attached to the sister service. Case in point; my right shoulder patch from DS/DS is the 16th MP Bde Abn but I was never authorized to wear it on my AF uniform when I switched over. Badges are authorized but not patches.
http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_a1/publication/afi36-2903/afi36-2903.pdf
Patches are different can not sew on an air force uniform. Ribbons carry over and most batches do. Thank you for asking legitimate questions instead of attacking as most so called fellow veterans do. Even Army uniform, cant sew jungle expert, 101st recondo, and winter operations instructor patch on it.
No, that was the flash at C company, 1st/60th Ft. Richardson AK. Two Airborne companies there and 1 at Wainright. By the way I have 3 degrees, avionics, weapons, and computer technology. Member of 2 honor societies. So what is your claim to fame. Easy to put people down when you know very little about them. People of lower intelligence do this to cover their own weaknesses.
So, I assume that means you won’t mind telling us when and from what universities you obtained those degrees?
Sure, Avionics and Aircraft Armament Systems Technology were from Community College of the Air Force. The only military branch college that is recognized. In 94 and 97. Computer Information Technology was at Ivy Tech Community College in 2012.
Actually, that isn’t correct. For starters, both the Naval Postgraduate School and the Air Force Institute of Technology are accredited, and both confer Masters Degrees in numerous disciplines. The same is true for at least some of the various service War College programs – though those don’t typically confer degrees in multiple disciplines.
That said, those claims should be easy enough to check out.
The beret flash does seem to check out as 1/60th Inf, so you’re at least not BSing anyone there.
I believe you and good to know. Hopefully many people take advantage of programs and get educated. I was saying for AAS not higher. Education teaches much more then books and wish more vets would go and VA can help. I was under Chap 31 and received 600 a month and all books paid.
Howdy Martinjmpr
The long skinny badge is the “Pocket Rocket” Senior Missileman Badge. His 214 states “Missile Badge”.
I agree those must be enlisted AC wings above his nameplate — he was aircrew and attended the Aircrew Survival Schools. Who knows what the other badge on the pocket flap might be! There are sooooo many:
I noticed the missileman badge is in the logistics category, so perhaps this one is commo/log related. Hmmm … it might-could also be the Maintenance & Munitions Badge (he was weapons loading specialist and weapons load crew chief).
I remember side-zip boots in the USAF … but that was back in the early-mid 1970s; mebbys they still allow them? I remember that many air crew had the lace-in zippers then. One SSGT in my barracks wore blucher boots [Justin roper boots] with his “zoom bags.” Side-zips are okay for daily duty … but terrible for jump boots since there is less ankle support.
The last time I checked the regulation on wearing the uniform as a retiree, it should only be worn at appropriate events.
Also when worn it is supposed to be worn IAW the appropriate regs.
Uniform regs aren’t a salad bar or an a la carte menu: You don’t get to pick and choose which part of the reg (or which service’s reg) you follow and which ones you ignore.
Unfortunately the “soup sandwich veteran” has become an archetype in modern life.
They typically wear a uniform blouse or (more commonly) a camo jacket adorned with every medal, ribbon, device, appurtenance, and badge, real or imaginary, that they could find at the surplus store, including but not limited to the Civil War Balloon Observer wings, the Revolutionary War “I Wintered Over at Valley Forge” ribbon and of course the coveted Space Shuttle Door Gunner badge.
I wear to government functions. Court is a government function. I have worn on Veterans day and Memorial day. Also wore for color guard at the DAV.
He looks like he could be MSG Soup Sandwich’s dad! ^^
Not gonna hate too much on him though, IMO senility seems to be the culprit here.
Well, that’s ONE way to make 100%!
What do you Gun Nutz expect? Indiana is a “Shall Issue” state. As long as you are not a known serial killer anyone can carry a gun.
He was probably all dressed up trying to kidnap peaceful residents of Indiana to the local gun range so he could get his free boxes of ammo this week.
Just another military guy all hopped up on Rambo training trying to terrorize the 95% of Americans that don’t have the need to learn how to kill people.
Dave,
I think at the very least you need a remedial mathematics course.
Along with that, a review of the DOJ statistics on gun violence would do you some good.
Only if you’re interested in formulating opinions with a factual basis, of course.
Facts, we don’t need no stinking facts. Here is a fact, In Florida if you have a DD214 all training and education requirements to carry a gun in public are waived.
It doesn’t matter if you were a Postal Clerk in the Air Force or a Chaplains Assistant in the Coast Guard. As long as you are a Veteran you can tot around a loaded gun waiting for the opportunity to blaze down your fellow citizens.
If you carry a gun…Please Kill Responsibly
Allow me to introduce you to Dave Hardin, our local master of sarcasm.
Ah….got it. Thanks.
Carry on Dave
I never get to play with the other kids.
Well thank you TWIST for the introduction, however, I don’t give a rats ass what he has to say?. Back to Mr. Reynolds, if your licensed to carry, you don’t shoot at shoplifters or in non violent situations.
IF YOU ARE IN A LIFE threatening situation absolutely do whatever it takes and his BOOTS HAVE TO GO. They can’t be service boots, are they?
I did not shoot at shoplifters. Druggie thief ducked down, did not know if he was grabbing a weapon or not so from 2 feet away I shot the truck in hopes thief would stay down and they would wait for police. In retrospect unless I am directly involved in a situation, I see or hear nothing. Hopefully no one is raped near me. That will be hard to walk away from. The boots are so uncomfortable. They are 41 years old and had zippers put in for DAV color guard (after retirement). Paratroopers are suppose to wear bloused boots in dress uniform. I need to retire the boots. I do appreciate your approach on this when most are clueless.
“I couldn’t see what he was doing so I started shooting at him.”
Dear God, you give the rest of us a bad name if that is what you are using for logic.
So, let me get it straight. If you can’t tell what they are doing your approach is to shoot. But if you actually SEE a rape you won’t do anything because???
Please sell your guns and stay home from now on. Amazon delivers almost everything.
Shoplifting is a capital crime in Norm’s world.
Think he’s watched “The Marine” too many times and thinks he some sort of great defender/action hero.
I recall a few troops getting the zippers installed on their “inspection” boots. The boot laces and “spit-shine” were perfect. Bloused trousers were not so rare, either. Recollection is that some MPs at WRAMC wore them like that.
Its been about forty years since then, it’s amazing what time can do with memories
I wear first responder boots. Zipper on the inside of the boot, laced with double knot, steel toes and medal in between the sole and inside if boot. Worn on weekends and at the foot of my bed. Moccasins daily. His boots look funny….
Indeed, those boots don’t look right. The brass of the zipper was not so obvious, the zipper was sewn in to conceal the slider and tape.
Brandishing and discharging a firearm, in the context of the story, probably won’t withstand his having inserted himself into a crime against property or shoplifting case.
Just imagine if some villain had let a parking meter expire.
Haha, you don’t need no f’n tow truck or parking citation, just call Norman and he can hold’em at gun point until they pay up–or ELSE!
When I was an MP (87-90) we wore our greens bloused with spit shined jump boots. I believe it’s still authorized.
Plus he is wearing Office button for US, he should have circle around US. Correct me if I am wrong. His criminal case is still pending.
meant to say Officer insignia
In ’95 the circle was removed from the lapel device for enlisted folks. I don’t know how long it stayed off because after I retired from active duty the lapel device disappeared for a while and then it returned. I think the uniform looks better without lapel insignia. Some folks said the US device is required because the uniforms of the Air Forces of many different countries are similar. I say no they are not; but I spent about 10 years in ATC and dealt with people from over 20 different Air Forces so what do I know?
My sentencing is April 13th. My life is ruined. Good thing I am retired.
As it should be ruined. How many lives did you put in danger with your little stunt?
I don’t care that the car was, as you claim, 2 feet away. How far does a bullet travel when it leaves a gun?
Something tells me you should have learned what “deadly force” means. This case shows you haven’t the first fucking foggiest. Put your guns away, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
You’re lucky you didn’t hit them. You’d be looking at the rest of your life in prison.
Considering your attitude toward this whole thing, I think a probation violation is a distinct part of your future. Good luck with all that.
You ruined your life yourself, Reynolds.
You’re making lame-ass excuses for using deadly force in a situation that was far from justifying it.
“Not FMJ so no richachet, Lot was almost empty and only people besides druggie thieves were 4 or 5 Big R employees behind me. So not even thieves were in danger of being shot.”
Sheer unadulterated bullshit, Reynolds. Any firearms instructor worth his or her salt will tell you that you don’t know what will happen to a round once you’ve fired it.
And…you had no idea whether or not those thieves had someone else in that truck – especially a small kid. Hit the kid, and you’re facing a murder charge.
Another backseat driver. Bullet did not hit cab of truck. So many experts! None were to be found when thieves took off. I just love that everyone has answers when they were not their. The thieves in statement were upset that they did not get enough drug money for drill that they wanted. Been doing this along time. They were not upset the truck was shot. Yes I do know no one else was in the truck, glad you do since you were not there.
You might want to try to find some remorse before you go for sentencing. It may be part of your plea agreement.
How did you know that no one else was in the truck, when you are saying that you couldn’t see the thief in it and were afraid that he’d appear with a weapon?
A direct quote from your lips:
“He said the suspect who was in the passenger seat vanished from sight momentarily and Reynolds was afraid he might reappear with a weapon.”
‘Splain that.
“Another backseat driver. Bullet did not hit cab of truck.”
Liar. Another quote from your lips:
“He told ABC57 that he shot at the truck once just behind the passenger seat in an effort to frighten the suspect.”
Just behind the passenger seat, huh? Any reasonable person would interpret that to mean you fired into the cab.
Of course, you weren’t using reason and logic when you pulled the trigger.
Reynolds, you might try reading this:
http://www.ciyoudixonlaw.com/firearms-law/four-legal-mistakes-gun-owners-make-that-expose-them-to-criminal-prosecution/
Straight from an attorney’s office in Indianapolis.
You violated the law just by pointing the weapon at someone. Note the part that you can’t use a firearm to “scare” someone by pointing it at them. But I guess you missed that fine point when going through your CCW class.
Once again, proving that not everyone is capable of handling the responsibility that comes with owning a weapon.
At least you’re out of that little pool, Normie. And the rest of us are glad for it.
It seems that every thread that I missed during my absence is being resurrected. I wish some of them would just stay buried b/c when they resurface I read them. One yesterday had me reading nearly 600 comments. It was two bowls of popcorn for that one thread alone.
Which one was that? I’m looking for a good read.
I’d guess the Killam thread, Animal. I believe you’re fairly familiar with that one. (smile)
Yeah. I thought about him all night. There has got to be something that can be done to keep him away from vets needing MHMR services.
Killer Killam is a DANGER to those troops needing help. He needs to be GONE, VAMOOSE, BANQUISHED to GaineyLand.
And not stopping till that SOB, Killam and his Enabler, PV9 Gainey get their day in Hell.
Am STILL POed at Killam and Straw Grasper/AWOL Gainey after I read about those Soldier’s sacrifices that Claw posted on two other threads. Will comment later when my anger at those two Texan COWARDS subside.
Also still POed at Bill Schwarz and Bling Bling Richards, two other Circus Clown CRICKETS that are COWARDS.
Yes, it was the Killam thread. It was a helluva read. I couldn’t put it down.
Did you use the bagfeed that Dave Hardin made?
Help us get rid of Killer Killam and PV9 Gainey…two Texan Morons that need to go stand in the corner and wear Dunce Caps!
Reynolds, I strongly recommend you drop the disparaging comments against the commenters here. Most of us are current or former military (including a number of officers), and a high percentage are combat veterans. Many are firearms experts. We’re not your average civilians, and we’re not impressed by either your bluster or your pathetic defense of a reckless firearm discharge.
I made bad comments to those that did me. A few on here have had good questions that I tried to answer. For those who just want to attack me and put me down, yes I will give a negative response. Hondo is been good and we actually agree. Most just want to slam. Really wish people would watch Fox 28 that they ran on me for stolen valor. It was on Jan. 6th. I am respectful for those that have served and still are. When they attack, it is hard to sit back with no response.
I made a mistake! Should have not been involved. Did not really think just reacted and when thief ducked down I felt threatened. I shot one round from 2 feet away with a critical round well behind thief. My life has forever changed. I stay home, not from fear of something happening to me but fear if something like a rape happens. Yes, I will have to respond but never want to be in a position to react again. I am now a felon! No weapons to defend my home, probation for 18 months, and cant leave the state. Yes I messed up! People I thought might be able to understand a little just tear me apart for my uniform. It is legit! VA tells me I have PTSD and I cant accept that. I know people that do have it. Maybe if people like you and Hondo would treat me like this I can talk on here in a good intelligent conversation but when called names and my mom should have swallowed, that is just an attack. In the Army, I did things that were more then just infantry to be better. The same was in the Air Force. My uniform is different. I earned it and yes I will not wear my recondo patch and never have jungle expert on dress uniform. The rest is legit. I will wear to probation office the first time and sentence court. After that when I am buried.
In the interest of honest conversation, why would you feel the need to wear your uniform to meet with your probation officer and to be sentenced in court? If you are truly trying to move past this you’re not on the right road. Be who you are. You are not in the military anymore.
You keep mentioning that word rape.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
Considering his ability to determine the criteria for the correct use of deadly force, I’m not sure he would correctly identify a true rape. He’d probably smoke a couple for holding hands.
I thought you were trying to have honest conversation till this. I thank you for your service in the military and as a police officer. The police and detective were very professional and they did not charge me. it was the prosecutors office who is running for state attorney general. can use for a platform along with all the murders that have been going on. In Michigan where an untrained woman shot a fleeing truck of thieves in a crowded parking lot with people received a misdemeanor. A much more dangerous situation but I get a felony. The holding hands bit is below you.
“The police and detective were very professional and they did not charge me.”
Police don’t determine who will be charged with crimes, so it’s no wonder they didn’t charge you.
That’s the responsibility of prosecutors.
Agreed. I did compromise my intellectual integrity claim with the holding hands comment. But while we’re having an honest conversation you may want to do some soul searching about this whole thing. Very few people get arrested just once. When you make it into the system, the system has a way of chewing you up. Want some really good advice? Don’t wear your uniform to your sentencing hearing, admit that you made a mistake to the judge and pay your debt to society. Any other course of action and you run the very real risk of violating your probation and finding yourself in prison.
I did make a mistake. I should never had reacted. If only I stayed at the counter and watched Big R people run after thieves. Yes, I should never have been involved. I have a Presentence Investigation the judge ordered Probation office to do. They will see never no trouble, paid 2 houses off in 2 years, 2 new vehicles paid off, never paid interest on a credit card, financially secure. Retired military, 70% disabled VA, and social security disability. So no skeletons in closet just trying to live. This will only help at my sentence. Thank you for advice, I can always use that instead of attacks. This is what my fellow veterans should have done, thank you again.
One more really, really good piece of advice. Probably the best there is when it comes to someone in your situation. Exercise your right to remain silent and keep your mouth shut. You have nothing to gain from this. I’m sure you wouldn’t want the judge reading what you’re saying even if they were said in the heat of the moment.
And do what I and s feral others here have posted about not wearing a uniform to your sentencing. For a number of reasons.
I and several others. Yeah 2/7 can be feral when it comes to Lars but that’s not what I meant.
Sorry 2/17 Air Cav. I’ll get it straight yet.
MR. Reynolds, I’m in agreement with Animal about how you should present yourself to the judge and the probation officer – if anything go out and get a suit and wear it, not the uniform. Exercise the right to remain silent and answer the judge directly when questioned. Don’t play games in court – it’s the judge’s domain and your demeanor can make the difference between a slap on the wrist and getting the book thrown at you. This is not the end of the world for you, in fact it could be a Hell of a lot worse if someone was injured or killed.
A suggestion – after a while, maybe you should go to the local NRA, shooting clubs and other groups in your area and talk to them about what happened and what you lost due to this incident. Your mistake can be used as a good training tool for others who are going through the CCL/CCP process to learn from your mistake and if put in a situation like you were to handle it better that you did.
Good luck…
Thank you. Did not consider that but If someone can learn from my mistakes and helps others to not do the same. Good idea.
I only wish that Mr Reynolds had taken English grammar and composition as some of his college courses. His longer responses hurt my eyes and brain.
I only wish that Mr Reynolds had taken English grammar and composition at some of his college courses. His longer responses hurt my eyes and brain.
All this blather is simply to say that we who comment here are NOT impressed by posers, embellishers, and those who otherwise dishonor the uniforms we wore.
You, Norman Reynolds, are disrespecting the USAF and the USA, services which I and my family served for many generations. You are also blaming your uniform issues on the VFW, an organization in which I am a life member. So, if you don’t want to accept the criticism of us here, you better have better excuses for me – because I’m not buying it. Yeah, you owe me personally better than you are putting out.
Looks like you might have done a thing or two during your time of military service, but your attitude suggests that it is more likely that you were one of “those guys” who knew how appear to be doing something while actually doin little to nothing. Too bad. Your paperwork would have gotten you much respect from most of us. That possibility is now gone.
Looks like he’s claiming DAV, not VFW. That might explain a few things – all the VFW guys I run with wear distinctive uniforms that look unlike what any US military service wears.
Sorry for my confusion. This guy gives me a headache.
Mr. Reynolds, please pay attention to what I have to say.
1 – You’re careless and overly aggressive with everything, including a firearm, which you now obviously should not have.
2 – If you shoot at someone suspected of something because WHATEVER! but state that you’d walk by someone being raped, you suck big time.
3 – Don’t come anywhere near my neighborhood, my town, or my state. We’re kind of peaceful here, and we do have a trained police force that can handle REAL crime more than adequately, and certainly better than you can.
4 – If you’re going to put a zipper into a high-rise boot (meaning above the ankle), DON’T USE A GODDAMN GREEN ZIPPER, YOU MORON.
5 – That is a piss-poor excuse for shining boots.
Like I explained to Eden. You are one of the assholes! I am saying I have changed. Will not get involved. Hopefully you live next to a police station. Most do a great job but seem to be late when something happens. They cant be everywhere at once. Glad for your neighborhood but by time police arrives what is done is done and bad guys are gone. Zipper is bronze color not green. This is what we had for color guard. Another back seat driver, my boots were shined. Your superman vision should have seen the picture better. So what is your claim to fame? Sorry do not know what a PH2 is. Must mean KNOW IT ALL!
You obviously were asleep during that part of your CCW class that said civilians may legally use deadly force when it is considered justifiable homicide – when the civilian feels that his/her own life, the lives of his/her family, or those around him/her are in legitimate and imminent danger.
No imminent danger from a couple of thieves running away. No weapon showing, no gestures or movements that would have made a reasonable person think that their life or someone else’s was in danger.
“Reynolds, who served 24 years in the Army and Air Force and has a permit to carry a concealed weapon, told ABC57 reporter Taylor Popielarz that he pulled out his gun to try to keep the suspects from getting away. He said the suspect who was in the passenger seat vanished from sight momentarily and Reynolds was afraid he might reappear with a weapon. He told ABC57 that he shot at the truck once just behind the passenger seat in an effort to frighten the suspect.”
You’d be in jail, facing a murder or attempted murder charge, if you’d hit someone in that truck, or if the round had gone somewhere you weren’t expecting.
You need to be permanently disarmed.
Number 1 through 3 were intelligent and your view then you did 4 and 5 and decided to be childish. Sorry I responded in kind.
Well, Mr. Reynolds, your disdain for women is as plain as grass on the front lawn. You’ll ignore some poor female being raped and do nothing to stop it or help her, and you call me an asshole? That’s cute.
And just so you understand me, if anyone in MY recruit company in 1967 had shown boots as poorly polished as yours, the noise coming from the Recruit Company Commander would have shattered the windows. WE KNEW WHAT A REAL SPIT SHINE WAS. Obviously, you do not.
Thanks for playing. Ciao!
And a little tune for a thread dead for 3 months:
https://youtu.be/6Ejga4kJUts
Norman….calm down dude! You continuing to respond with post after post just begs for more which will only aggravate you. Your ramblings don’t represent a man who the V A paid for a college education. Wearing your uniform from many years back does not impress anyone on this site. We all know some people wear their old uniforms strictly for recognition, seeking to be congratulated as a hero.
Personally I would not care if they threw the book at you, rather than add your poor judgment to the list of reasons to confiscate weapons from all people. At age 70, if I were that close (Two feet, as you say) to a shoplifting event, hopefully I’d have enough sense to get a license plate number and pass it on tho the po po. If you get off with a large fine and lose you CCW permit, you need to be counting your blessings. This is the year of the P C mentality, Norm. Shoplifters lives matter.
May seem strange but I agree with you for the most part. I wish I could turn time back and not responded at all like a normal person.
Give me a break.
Shooting at shoplifters is NOT normal. It’s also illegal as hell.
Did not shoot at shoplifters and that is not a charge I shot in a public place and guilty of that. Normal would be not respond and that is what I should have done, not respond.
Question 1: Did you shoot at the car, yes or no?
Question 2: We’re the shoplifters in the car, yes or no?
Something tells me you don’t quite grasp the seriousness of your actions, to say nothing of your lack of remorse or contrition.
Better learn some real fast.
You version of normal is about a full bubble off center if you think shooting at a shoplifter is just what people do.
Read my reply to marine. Glad evidence shows I did not shoot at thieves or I would be in a lot more trouble.
Yeah, I saw that. I truly doubt the evidence showed anything of the sort. They were in a car that you shot at. That’s all they really have to prove.
I think the prosecutor in this case decided you weren’t worth the hassle and dropped that charge.
Norm, in this day and age a normal person would have pulled out their cellphone and tried to take a picture of the truck and license plate… not pull out a gun and shoot at a vehicle leaving the scene of a crime!
It isn’t the 1880’s in Dodge City anymore…
Point taken. The truck was not in motion when I shot but either way I should have not involved myself. They just wanted stuff to steal for drug money and had been doing so for quite awhile. So best for me not to been involved. I am 70% disabled and not suppose to run. My Vicadin dosage has doubled since then. Another after the fact consequence.
Reynolds pleaded guilty to one count of criminal recklessness. “Some people would look at that as crazy. Why was I involved, as I said, I was involved because I felt like it was the right thing to do,” Reynolds said. (Source WREX)
Mr. Reynolds. I am assuming that the quote is accurate, given what you have repeatedly said here about not coming to someone’s aid in the future. You seem not to appreciate that you are not being victimized or prosecuted for being a good Samaritan but for recklessly discharging a firearm. What you did is no less reckless than someone who decides that he wants to fire a weapon into the air just because. I hope you spend some time contemplating what you did and less time insisting that you were trying to do the right thing. Also, when you wear a military uniform in public, you are representing the military, whether you intend to do so or not. As defendant in a criminal case, I would hope that you would reconsider wearing that uniform for sentencing and to visit with your probation officer. The military, present and former, really doesn’t need that sort of representation. A nice suit would be just fine.
“I knew where the bullet was going and It was not FMJ (hope your higher intelligence knows what that is)was not worried about a ricochet.”
“Not FMJ so no richachet.”
Am I the only one who thinks that those two statements are utterly ludicrous?
Tell you what there, slick. I DARE you to present those thoughts to the judge at your sentencing hearing as mitigating and/or extenuating factors.
The laughter from the judge, bailiff, and prosecutor will tell you all you need to know.
Because all this conversation about my uniform, I looked at all my dd-214s and documentation. I have wrongly been wearing an MSM, it was a commendation medal for meritorious service. So I screwed up and will fix it. I earned everything else. Will not wear recondo patch that I pinned not sewed on. It is still a patch and not be on. Never wore jungle expert on dress uniform. Have my jumpmaster on my wall but that does not give me jumpmaster wings. Must jumpmaster so many jumps to get it. It was on my DD-214 Ws but not on finished one just found that out but will still wear it because I earned it and is on 214 work sheet.
You really are NOT paying attention, are you?
You are NOT in the military any more, Reynolds. You have NOT been in the military for some time. You are a CIVILIAN. Leave the uniform at home unless you want to be judged incompetent. Continuing to wear a military uniform when you are NOT active duty will make anyone question your competence.
You are NOT in the military any more and have NOT BEEN for some time. Leave the uniform in the closet.
Why is he wearing the uniform in public anyway? Did he answer that somewhere and I missed it?
It seriously ticks me off that a civilian is displaying a USAF uniform in such a disrespectful manner. Maybe the regs have changed, but they used to state that you either wear it correctly (green zippers in black boots with a blue uniform is not OK, never has been) and completely or wear none of it. Even then, it must be under authorized circumstances.
Who authorized you, Norman, to wear a USAF in this manner?
(insert “uniform” in the last sentence, please. Grrrrrr.)
And he is NOT authorized to wear bloused boots in a USAF uniform (USA, maybe, but not USAF).
Don’t know about right now, but back in the day, solid black boots were wore bloused by SP’s and by honor guards when either was doing something ceremonial or otherwise directed to do it. Had to do the white laces and super shiny boot thing a few times 40 years ago, or so.
There’s a new wrinkle for the poser/embellisher checklist.
“will still wear it because I earned it and is on 214 work sheet.”
Sure hope Forgin Frank doesn’t find out about that new regulation. It’ll put his Xerox machine into triple overtime to pump out all the new certificates that are authorized.
Just stop it, Norman. If anybody needs to go home and get their frickin shoe box, it’s you.
Norm, a bit of friendly advice:
You’re not helping your cause here, bro. To quote a big green guy with a Scottish brogue, “This is the part where you run away.”
S E A…..excellent way to end a sermon.
Updated 4-15-2016; Norm was sentenced after a plea deal to 18-month suspended sentence, probation and a $300 fine.
Looks like he can kiss his firearms goodbye. Don’t think he can lawfully possess one now.
Awww, that’s too bad. Copped out on a plea deal.
I was looking forward to seeing old Norm do some time at the Peanut Farm in Putnamville.
He should still do some time just for those FUBAR boots he was wearing.