Germany under siege
The UK’s Daily Mail has tendency towards the hyperbolic, and in the link they claim that Germany is under siege by Syrian refugees. Although they might be a little early in their assessment, it’s pretty clear that they will indeed be under siege in the coming months;
Atif is well-dressed and speaks perfect English. He used to be a transport manager at Karachi airport and is from a well-to-do family. Between mouthfuls of curry, he adds: ‘But there is violence between political gangs in Karachi. Lots of people are leaving for Europe. The trafficker decided that Germany was the place for us because it is welcoming refugees.’
Yet the raw truth is that Atif is not fleeing war or persecution. He is one of thousands of economic migrants getting into Germany as the EU’s immigration crisis grows bigger each day.
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Yesterday, the Mail reported how social workers and women’s groups in Giessen wrote a letter to the local state parliament claiming that rape and child abuse were rife in the refugee camp. The allegations were corroborated by Atif over his curry. ‘The camp is dangerous,’ he agreed. ‘Men of different nationalities fight and women are attacked.’
This “migration” is only a few weeks old, but already the refugees are complaining that the “north” didn’t have facilities ready for them. The majority of the “refugees” are military-age males and there’s no structure of governance in the camps, so, of course, crime is going to skyrocket. They’re all looking for the economic benefit that they think will be handed to them by the already stressed economies of Europe. It’s almost as if it’s part of a grand strategy, isn’t it?
Category: Terror War
Those “refugees” ought to take care in their choice of words and actions.
The Germans have a history of “refugees” in camps who don’t fare so well…so far these seem to have been treated pretty well. It could go far worse for them with a little more pushing against their hosts.
Odd, but I was thinking the same thing. Germans and refuge camps, now what comes to mind when the Germans have those two things and a problem to go with it? These refuges are not refuges, they are fighting age men who are cowards unless they are slaughtering innocents. Look at how they treat their own these camps and you’ll see how they’ll treat your populace once they are lost in the crowd. I say send them home. Europe and America have enough Muslim terrorist elements to contend with already. Why make the burden greater?
I’m tracking with you two. These illegals ought to be damn thankful the Germans are looking for a temporary solution to this problem rather than a final solution.
I realize this may make me VERY unpopular in Some Circles, but instead of spending a shit-ton load of money to “transport’ these illegals out of Germany, with the high likelyhood that they will sneak/stampede/”emigrate” back in again, just cut to the chase and send the military-aged “yutes” to the gas chambers and ovens where at least they could be made into something useful, like fertilizer.
And then send the women and children home – without the men.
Sounds like a win-win to me.
Breaking of a culture. Let the women raise their children without the hatred passed on by the men.
Breaking of a generation (no/few men to create more little jihadists).
Creation of a psychological fear, “don’t want to go back there EVER again”.
And G-d will probably damn my soul forever for even thinking of this. . . .
Time to clone you-know-who.
At least he made the trains run on time.
/sarc
Clone?!?
I could have sworn I once saw some Brazilian docudrama about just that.
Whatsamattayou, chip?
Il Duce also wanted women to crank out
babies by the dozen. You got stuff in your head.
OK, so he wanted the young Italian girls to have a lot of sex… what a horrible man. I sure wouldn’t participate given a chance… no, un unh, not me, nor anyone I know… you bet.
No, no. You misunderstood. Il Duce didn’t care about Italian girls having lots of sex. He just wanted babies to come out of it, like Ceaucescu in Romania.
More babies = more potential soldiers for the Fascisti.
I read that article the other day. Funny how language evolves. “Illegal Immigrant” begat “Undocumented Immigrant” begat “Migrant”.
“Migration” should imply a pattern of movement between at least two points, one of them being a point of origin. That’s what birds do…. they migrate according to the seasons. However, there is a new term in the modern lexicon “Human Migration” and according to Wikipedia it means this:
Notice there is no “pattern” necessary anymore. I think when I was a young glue sniffer, we used the word “Emigration” to describe the above.
Remember when a “Migrant Worker” actually worked? I do, barely.
Yeah, I remember migrant workers. But just like migrating birds, the migrant workers pretty much returned to THEIR home. It too was based on “season.”
This whole “political correctness” thing is the enforcement mechanism of the leftist narrative. It seeks to redefine terms in a hostile way, or is intended to change their meaning altogether. I think that’s what’s happening here.
Notice how the left has redefined the word “tolerance”?
I know a family that came to America as refugees from another country, not Mexico. The father worked in the fields with immigrants from Mexico and was never unemployed. Refused Welfare and in 10 years, not only spoke fluent English and with a 6th grade education became a manager of a well known company.
As I watched that family and the immigrants from Mexico, the immigrants still spoke Spanish, excepted Welfare, had more children ($354 per child we tax payers support), tell the children to say they don’t understand the school work (via SSD each child got $254 and as the mother, she received the same amount). After the last turned 18, they bought a new house and drive better cars then the average American citizen. Retired, get SS and the husband still getting paid cash going from house to house to gardening and still no speaka the English.
My gardener called me to say he couldn’t get a ride to do my garden. Got his address to pick him up. He lives in a house 3 times the value of mine. I left him at his house and now we do the yard work ourselves.
This will happen when all the Syrian refugees come to America.
A Iraqi liquor store owner told his friend/customer that ripping off Americans is so fucking easy he’s opening up another store. He also sold cigarettes and liquor to underage kids. The friend spread the word and told the police. Busted for selling to minors. Lost his license to sell for six months and after AMERICANS holding signs “He loves ripping off Americans” stopped every person who was going in and told the story. Cant sell booze or cigarettes and people boycotting his store the store closed in under a month. Should of kept his fucking mouth shut. Sad because the guy was really so nice.
These people aren’t covered by the term ‘immigrant’we were raised with. This is more like what happens when animals run before a wildfire. In this mass exodus from the ME and parts of Africa, there are people who are fleeing every ill caused and known by mankind — and there are the criminals and terrorists who caused the others to flee.
This is not the first time this has ever happened in the history of the world, and it probably won’t be the last. We can begin to acquaint ourselves with the fact that the world as we knew it has changed forever. There is no stuffing this genii back in the bottle now, if there ever was.
I did not see this coming!
I find it odd that no asks this: Why are they not going where there actually IS available space? There are large parts of central Asia that have lots of empty room. Well, the weather there sucks the bottom of the pond dry, and the rain volume is below Dead Sea level low, but still – it’s OPEN!
Oh, that’s right – most of that is under Vlad Putin’s auspice (armpit) and he doesn’t want them, either.
So crime rates will go up in those cities in Europe by, oh, say 500% within a few months of these ‘new settlers’? Any takers??
Methinks a 500% increase in crime is a very low-end conservative estimate!
The guy quoted in the article is from Karachi. That’s in Pakistan, not Syria. Hmmm.
Yes, I noticed that as well. However, Pakistan is the second highest in the world with respect to refugees per capita.
The refugee problem worldwide is only going to get worse.
I notice that you conveniently avoided mention of two key facts that are pertinent here:
1. Pakistani guy did not leave his native country “to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.” By definition, he is therefore NOT a refugee; he and his family emigrated for economic reasons.
2. He freely admits that he used forged documents to enter Germany under false pretenses. Can’t say for sure, but I believe that makes him a criminal under German law.
The fact that you didn’t address these points shows that you either did not “catch” them or deliberately chose to avoid addressing them. Which do you want to admit?
Once the door is opened in Germany, there will be no closing. There is the next hope of Muslims seeking to take over the world. Breed like rabbits and it will eventually happen. Living off the gov while they repopulate hundreds of times. When they take over and attempt to become a world power, who do you suppose is going to fund the millions?
My biggest fear is apathy on the part of uninformed Americans, which seems to be MANY these days. If Obozo gets his way and we end up with 100,000 or more in this country, he has with a single hand created the change he preached this country was going to get if he was elected. Thank God my days are numbered. Even so, I’d go out with a smile on my face if they ever attempted to corral me. That smile, standing in my own boots. ‘Nuff said.
The day some muslim bastard tells me I need to cover up, is the day I go to jail or the morgue. I don’t care if I’m 90.
When I saw the first of those videos of the fleeing hordes, I had this momentary vision of being at the sausage/lunchmeat bin at Wal-Mart, and being accosted and yelled at by some peanut-brained twit in a language I couldn’t understand, and defending myself from him with 2 pounds of thick-cut hickory smoked bacon.
Whenever I see a pic of an old German male I am given to think, “Did I my Dad shoot at you and miss?” Just one of those strange thoughts I frequently entertain. In other words, I don’t give a rat’s ass what the krauts do or don’t do with their problem.
I would love to find a old nazi who committed crimes against humanity. Double tap to the head. Much more humane then being gassed and burned. Via survivors of concentration camps statements “the one’s still breathing were put in the ovens alive”. There were a handful that went to trial for the crimes and the others who were tracked down got a bullet. I’m sure they’re all dead, but the animals they raised still believe in the cause.
This whole “military age males” narrative is fear mongering bullshit.
The reason most refugees are “military age males” is because males are the ones in ME society with the agency to leave. You women generally cannot leave on their own and face huge risks doing so. Young unmarried men can. So they do. And in nearly all war driven refugee crisis older people tend to stay or not travel very far away from the fighting.
Even married men are far more likely to leave than anyone else in the family. Many refugee families send their husbands, and WORKING AGE males first to find a place to live and work while the wives and children remain behind with family or in hiding with friends.
Additionally, military age males are being confronted with an immediate ultimatum that forces a decision to flee; they either fight or run. And that choice is usually forced on them by either the Assad regime (forcing them to support Assad) or Islamic militants forcing them to join (which is regarded as a death sentence by moderate Muslims).
If a single terrorist attack is linked to a refugee in the coming years this board will use that event as proof they were right all along, and I rarely seen anyone change their mind on this board so I don’t expect to convince anyone of anything in this post.
But this right wing anti-refugee fear mongering is complete bullshit.
So did you just offer to take in some new roommates?
Yes, one. An Iraqi refugee. My former interpreter.
Yes-but we’re not talking about terps (people that we know and have done a service for us and our nation) we are talking about random refugees. I suspect that a lot of those guys would not have the kindest feelings for either you or him.
You are correct, unfortunately. The innocent, whose only crime is to flee the violence of their native lands, are going to suffer because of the image of the jihadi among them.
And we are also correct, unfortunately. Because bombings in this country, and in Europe, and all over the ME, prove that there are jihadis in the midst of the refugees. For sure. No question about it. Without a doubt. And they will make life hell not only for us, but for the people who came here to get away from them.
HEY Fluff-puff, just how many of the 9/11 hijackers were Christian, Jewish, Buhbdist or Hindu?
So ignorant. You can’t see beyond primal identity politics.
Actually, the question is quite valid.
Adherents to Islam are approximately 23.2% of the world population; Hindus, approx 15%; Christians, 31.5%; and Jews, approx 0.2%.
Islamic radicals made up somewhat more than 23.2% of the 9/11 attacker group. They also seem to account for far more than their pro-rata share of terrorist incidents worldwide.
This is driven by more than just religion. By claiming the problem is “Islam” we ignore the underlying structural problems in our international political economy that is driving many of the economic issues that generate the kind of anger and unrest we see in the Middle East.
People tend to identify with race/ethnicity, religion, and nationality and blame out groups for issues and in doing so they miss the true drivers of instability and conflict.
During Europe’s centuries of war was the problem Christianity? Was it Protestantism or Catholicism? Or was it the structures of political economic power and how those structures shaped identity and loyalty to gain advantage over competing powers.
By just saying the problem is “Islam” you buy into the same kinds of manipulation that blamed Jews, Protestants, and Catholics in the past. The same kinds of narratives that many power brokers in Islamic nations use to increase anger and resentment toward the “Christian” west.
There are legitimate grievances that stem from nearly two centuries of Western imperialism in the Middle East and Africa. But the root cause of the problems and thus the target for the resentment should not be Christianity. The root cause is the political economic outcomes and distribution of wealth and power that resulted from decades of Western influence. Western backed power structures that are generally failing their people. This is further exaspergated by the fact that when many of the Western backed structures were challenged they were replaced by “opposing” extreme right wing populous structures such as the theocratic structures in Iran.
These reactionary right wing structures are not representative of the desires of people they rule either.
And equilibrium has not been reached in the middle east and will likely take decades to be reached. In the mean time buying into the Christian vs Islam narrative lends powers to Islamist power brokers since it is essentially THEIR narrative.
I love how the “root causes” arguments always seem to conveniently find the same root culprit-the West. Never the Ottomans or the Soviets or even sectarian differences that precede colonization by hundreds of years. Always and only and forever “the west”.
P.S. pseudo Marxian analyses of “political economy” always overlook or discount a wide variety of factors, usually completely ignoring culture. And when the regional culture is driven almost exclusively by a particular religion, it would seem reasonable to mention it.
Maybe, just maybe, all that “anger and unrest” comes from an unfulfilled prophecy of world domination (as the rest of the world leaves that particular area behind in almost all areas), but that can’t be because the ever so clever academic set would never misrepresent the truth for their own purposes.
I get the impression that lars the fallible knows little to nothing about the REAL history of the Middle East, even though the culture itself goes back long before the Hebrew walked off the job in Egypt, around the time Santorini detonated.
I have a great deal of understanding of the Middle East. But many have a much greater understanding. So I read what they write.
Try reading Samuel Huntington.
I have read him. Quite a bit. He was a well known academic and is still well cited.
He is part of my understanding of the ME but he is only one of many authors.
Fundamentally, regardless of whether Islam is going to be a driver of instability buying into the “Islam vs the West” narrative serves to empower the Islamic extremists because it is THEIR narrative. It is how they recruit and how they mobilize and their base of legitimacy.
The fact is that this is not a struggle between the West and Islam any more than this is a struggle between West and Muslims.
By framing it as a struggle against Islam we frame it as a struggle against all Muslims which is exactly the narrative that most empowers Islamic extremists.
Besides, it is a useless narrative. It does absolutely nothing to address any of the issue the next 25 years will present. It complicates and increases the potential crisis.
The Soviets are a factor, absolutely.
However, the Russians were not a colonial power in the Middle East and did not make draw the boundaries and establish the regimes that are the direct proximal cause of the turmoil since the end of colonialism.
This is not marxism. Not even fake marxism as you claim.
This is the conventional understanding of history in the middle east by non-marxist and centrist political scientists and historians.
Religion is a factor but it is not the primary driver of the underlying causes of instability and conflict in the Middle East.
It’s cute that you somehow think that an analysis of international relations that goes on and on about “imperialism” and “structural inequalities” is somehow not Marxist.
P.S. don’t think that I didn’t notice that you continued to ignore the role of the Ottoman Turks in shaping the region, since-you know-that part shows that your whole “root causes” argument blaming the West is nonsense.
It is not marxist. There are several schools of thought that recognize how social, political, and economic power structures and history shape international affairs.
In fact, when dealing with things like refugee trends and domestic political instability the ONLY schools of thought that have much to say are ones that apply analysis to these structures.
Most are not marxist. In fact few are.
Dude, the Ottoman empire was in the decline during the rise of the political structures that shaped the ME and its place in the international community as it is today.
Yes, ALL history in the region matters but the primary, proximal cause of the current era of instability is a loss of regional equilibrium due to the end of colonial rule and the subsequent continued influence over residual power structure, regimes, resources, and borders.
It will take a while for a new equilibrium to be reached and any effort to control the outcome tends to have incalculable effects, often negative.
Additionally, the natural tendency of a people when violently rejecting the legitimacy of a regime is to adopt an opposing extreme. These extremes just prolong the instability as they are also latter challenged.
Professor, can you send me a picture of yourself wearing a grey hoodie, with the hood up, and wearing Ray-Bans?
Ted Kaczynski’s anti-lefist manifesto is much more in line with your way of thinking and the assumptions many of the people on this board make about “leftists”.
If anything you should be the one wearing the hoodie and sunglasses and taking up woodworking.
Ted targeted people like me, he was not someone like me.
Right-despite the fact that the Ottomans controlled the region for hundreds of years, shaping the culture and playing various ethnic and sectarian groups off against each other, and “the West” for about 35 years, it’s the actions of the West that are determinative regarding the structure of the Middle East. That’s convenient to your argument, but otherwise has no bearing on the reality of the situation.
But, of course, it would be wrong of me to hear echoes of Critical Theory in your hilariously ill-informed assertions because your worldview is totes not Marxist-swearsies.
Western colonialism dominated the Middle East throughout the 19th and 20th centuries.
150-200 years of Western domination.
Claiming the Ottoman Turks are the root cause of the current instability is about the same as claiming Napoleon is the root cause of European challenges today.
The Ottomans controlled most of the Arabian peninsula, Iraq and Israel until 1918 and the European powers were gone from those areas by the 1950s. But those facts are inconvenient to your argument so you continue to spin.
Regarding the politics of the Unabomber’s victims David Gelernter says for you to get bent.
For the record, Professor, I was making a comparison of writing style and lack of substance.
Not all his victims were “leftisits but Kaczynski targeted leftists and technologists whom he blamed for trends in modern society that he despised.
In fact, his writings about “leftists” are directly in line with comments I have seen people making on this board.
Interesting. Above, I merely observed that the question seemed valid, then provided data regarding Islam’s share of the world population. I then made an one additional observation of fact and provided one additional personal observation/perception. That’s it.
Pray tell – precisely where above did I make any mention anywhere of Islam being some kind of “problem”? I’ll save you the trouble of answering, since I’m certain you wouldn’t answer the question accurately.
I didn’t say anything of the sort. Rather, YOU jumped to a conclusion, seeing something that wasn’t there – because that conclusion matched your existing prejudices and gave you a chance to wax ignorant. (And no – “wax ignorant” was not an error on my part; I intended to write exactly that.)
You do that quite often when you comment here: misread what people wrote to match your prejudices, then spout orthodox Progressive ideology (some would simply say, leftist bullsh!t) to “prove your superiority”. In fact, all you’re doing when you do so is to demonstrate your own intellectual shortcomings.
One wearing glasses colored by ideology – and who refuses to think for themselves – will virtually always see what he or she expects. That’s true whether it’s really there or not. You need a new set of glasses, son – and you need to start thinking for yourself vice unthinkingly parroting Progressive dogma.
I am referring it Infidel’s constant anti-Islamic anti-Arab narrative.
He focuses entirely on identity politics. Anything more nuanced is just liberal “fluffy” bullshit to him.
That’s bull.
You were not replying to API above. Rather, you were replying directly to me at the time. The comment in question was a direct reply to one of my comments, and did not reference API in any way whatsoever.
Sheesh. You could at least try to make your “cover story” plausible.
This thread format makes it really damn hard to figure out who I am replying to and where. Especially with some many people piling on to my comments.
In this case you said his comment was valid. I responded to the VALIDITY of his comment so I was still responding to his comment.
Though it can be hard as hell to tell which responses are to whom in this format or even which of my comments people are responding to.
And yet, Larsie, we have this report on what’s actually happening in Germany:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249667/Germany-state-SIEGE-Merkel-cheered-opened-floodgates-migrants-gangs-men-roaming-streets-young-German-women-told-cover-mood-s-changing.html
It appears that a substantial number of those “young working age males” simply looking to escape hostilities are demanding, shall we say, substantial accommodations from the German population vice showing any gratitude – because they fine some aspects of German culture “offensive”. And it also appears the German population is becoming a bit fed up as well.
Further, it appears that (1) many are not fleeing war, but poor economic conditions; and (2) they have no desire to assimilate, but wish German society to change to suit them.
That doesn’t sound like “refugees” to me. That sounds more like “colonists”.
I’m thinking all of that won’t go over so well “auf der Straße” in Deutschland, either.
Importing a large number of excitable young males from fundamentalist Islamic societies just in time for Octoberfest-Genius!
Watch the video I posted. Lars is an ignorant, molly-coddled fool.
This is raw footage, which I received from a friend, of a group of so-called refugees at a train station in Croatia (I think, not familiar with the language in the subtitles). The police were simply offering help to these men.
The arrogance these ‘refugees’ displayed is beyond my comprehension. There is no excuse for their behavior. Period.
https://youtu.be/SRhI0Xqv5Rc
My response to their behavior is ‘do not spit in the faces of people who offer you kindness’. And try reading the parable of the good Samaritan.
In Germany, that would probably be a very good idea.
My impression of my brief visits there was that the stereotype of the “order-loving German” is at least partially deserved. Their culture does appear to place a high value on order and adherence to norms.
Their Poliezi also know how to control riots and maintain order. And there, it’s my impression the population is in general supportive when the police do so.
Last I heard, the German Polizei don’t give a DAMN about those causing trouble or committing crime in “Dear Old Deutschland” and there are NO ACLU-type Attorneys screeching about those who get roughed up by them, they remember the black eye that MUSLIM TERRORISTS gave them during the 1972 Olympics in Munich.
All those European countries that are now doing everything in their power to stem this growing tide? Why that’s just so much right-wing fear-mongering. What? Don’t believe your own lying eyes-Lars said, so it must be true.
That is not what is happening.
This is in Hungary. The police would not let the train leave and in sited the refugees for to a refugee camp.
The refugees are refusing food or water in protest of being forced to go to a Hungarian refugee camp (which has a very poor reputation with respect to treatment of refugees).
This has caused a standoff with the Hungarian government and the refugees.
This standoff is being broadcast by TV stations.
Nobody anyone is doing in the video is “real”, there is an international audience to this event. The migrants are displaying defiance for being forced to be detoured to a refugee camp and the Hungarian government is aware of the international audience of the event so are trying to handle the situation in a way that makes the Hungarian government look as positively as possible after international backlash for their treatment of previous refugee groups.
*This is in Hungary. The police would not let the train leave and insisted the refugees detour to a refugee camp.
It’s a known fact that the Saudi Government has put up accommodations for over 100,000 of these “refugees” , it’s in a Muslim country, yet they won’t go there, they want to go West and leech of the societies there while they demand said countries change to accommodate THEM.
I say SCREW ‘EM!
Would you go to Saudi Arabia? Who would? Unless you are wealthy or connected you have little hope of a better future, additionally the Saudi Regime is likely not long for this world and will likely collapse into unrest within the next 5 years as well.
Yeah, BULLSHIT!!! Saudi Arabia ALREADY HAS sharia law, something these fleabags are demanding from the Countries they’re infesting, and Saudi Arabia IS a muslim country, let them go there, o fairy fart-huffer!
So? They’re supposedly refugees, not routine lawful immigrants to the nation in question who’ve gone through the established normal process to gain entry. Hungary (or Croatia or Germany – or any other nation, for that matter) has the right to restrict them to a refugee camp as a condition of providing sanctuary if they so desire.
Yes, and people who have a right to migrate that predates nations and states by several hundred thousand years have a right to resist being forced into abysmal conditions.
“Right to migrate”? You’re joking – right?
What the hell do you think was the original genesis for warfare? Even prehistoric tribal societies understood the concept of, “This land is ours, and you others must stay out.” The only ways outsiders entered were (1) with permission, (2) by stealth, or (3) by force.
There was then – and is today – no “fundamental right to migrate” beyond one’s own land. Saying such a right exists is absurd, and flies in the face of virtually all of human history.
National borders are merely today’s implementation of that prehistoric principle.
Geez. GMAFB.
‘Several hundred thousand years’? What the FUCK???
Does that asshole even have a teeensy weeensy clue AS TO how long modern humans, including Neandertals, have existed on THIS planet?
Geezo Pete! What the hell is he smoking?
“Yes, and people who have a right to migrate that predates nations and states by several hundred thousand years have a right to resist being forced into abysmal conditions.”
Remember, he’s got a soft spot for the Kuchi. I think that’s where this is coming from.
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth…. Lars, Lars, come in over.
L. Taylor,
Are you huffing aerosol feminine hygiene products again?
Most people have evolved a wee bit over the past hundreds of thousands of years.
We now have countries, borders and laws.
Thanks for enlightening me.
I do appreciate it.
Out!
Lars the uneducated assfart knows nothing about basic predator behavior.
Humans are apex predators.
All predators have territorial boundaries. THAT has been shown repeatedly by biologists. It’s the reason dogs and cats spray urine on trees, bushes, rocks – whatever they can find: to let others know they were here. Wolf packs have specific territorial boundaries, AS DO PRIMATES.
All the great apes, including chimpanzees and gorillas are primates, and all primates are territorial.
Humans are PRIMATES, lars, you incredible moron. We have territories.
WE ARE AS TERRITORIAL AS WOLVES.
Every human civilization through history has had territorial boundaries, and that goes back to the days of Gilgamesh and the Siberian tribes that followed prey animals across the frozen Bering Sea.
There IS NO RIGHT to migrate, Lars, you fucking moron. NONE. If you want to migrate, especially to a populated area, be prepared to have your ass handed to you.
Geez! This is like Saturday Night Live, when Dan Akroyd used to look at Jane Curtin and say ‘Lars, you ignorant slut.’
I don’t believe anything you say, Lars.
There is NO excuse for what these men are doing. PERIOD. If there was a place for them to go to, they should have gone to it.
If you are this completely ignorant of acceptable behavior, you have a serious problem.
If I offer you water and you throw it away out of defiance, I will never offer you water again.
I don’t give a crap what you think. You are a notably ignorant pompous ass.
These so-called refugees left their own country of origin at their own discretion. They were NOT forced to do so. They swarmed into Greece and Macedonia and Italy OF THEIR OWN VOLITION.
They have trashed EVERY PLACE THEY HAVE GONE TO. There is plenty of physical evidence to support this.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THE BEHAVIOR IN THIS OR ANY OTHER VIDEO. PERIOD.
Nothing you say has any value. Take in fifty of them and someone might listen to you.
The right to migrate is a fundamental human right absolutely essential to human survival that predates nations by several hundred thousands years.
Mass migration due to an emerging era of political economic instability and climate change is looming over the next 20-30 years and we need to find a better way of addressing it then the ridiculous and hateful anti-immgrant narrative that you and your ilk constantly spout.
Bull. No such right exists, or has ever existed.
Prehistoric tribal societies understood full well the concept of “tribal lands” and “outsiders not welcome”. That was the genesis of human conflict – we today call it warfare. Denying that is denying reality.
Early humans migrated constantly for a few hundred thousands years. The transition to agrarian society was only about 10,000 years ago and even then migration was dominant for most people for a few thousand years after the first agrarian societies began.
Hell, migration was still dominant by “tribal” groups as recently as the 19th century.
Arguably, all “rights” are constructs that came AFTER the notion of government or ruling over other men became dominant. No rights existed prior to states because the concept of “rights” is a response to the concept of government rule.
If you choose to believe that then all your claims about freedom and rights are bullshit. We have none. We only get what we can demand and only to the extent that we can keep and protect our rights.
However, many people, myself included, think rights existed before states and they are fundamental to being human. Inalienable.
Some rights are absolutely necessary for human survival and they tend to be regarded as fundamental and thus there is a moral imperative to protect them.
The right to migrate challenges the very legitimacy of the existence of borders and states and thus states have essentially never recognized the right to migrate.
That does not mean it does not exist.
The right to travel to a place where you can survive and provide for your children is seen as fundamental to human survival. It has always existed and should continue to exist.
If you were in a position where the health and welfare of you and you family was at stake you would exercise the right to migrate as well. In fact you probably have several times in your life.
And you would expect to be able to continue to do so in the future. Particularly if you lived in a war zone, collapsed economy, or collapsing state.
Why would you assume that the right to migrate is only something YOU should enjoy based entirely on the random circumstances of where you were born?
Where does your supposed right to migration end? Can a person born poor migrate themselves right into a rich person’s house? Can they migrate into their bed?
You’re so full of shit Lars. Yeah, I might grant that there is a right to “try to” migrate, but there’s also a right to stop a fucking bullet (or a spear, or an arrow) in the process. People have been migrating around and through each other for about as long as they have been killing each other. Kumbaya is a relatively recent invention, as are skittles.
You know nothing about populations trends.
I do.
Tell me Lars.
What will the pop of earth be in 2030. Where will the center of the world be in terms of population and why.
You don’t know!
Because you played the “climate” card.
Educational opportunities for women is the key to migration and population in the next 15 to 20. Not one smart dude who knows pop trends speaks to climate!
So what are the answer Lars?
Or better yet … GFY!
I am not sure we disagree on migration trends. I also have studied the migration of women due to employment and education opportunities making women the largest population of migrant workers in many regions. However, these figures control for refugees and many of these figures predate the rise of ISIS and the instability of regimes in the ME.
I do think any migration prediction based on a stable climate and stable international political economy is likely to be way off base.
Population in 2030 is projected to be 8-9 billion. Predominantly urban.
Not sure why you would think these numbers challenge my statements.
Argh.
All I know about this is that the leaves are starting to turn in Germany and many other countries.
In a couple of weeks when the first good kill frost comes through, those people who are roaming the countryside in tank tops, polo shirts and khaki jeans are in for a real kick in the ass from Mother Nature.
They’ll be looking at each other and saying “Who’s FU’ed idea was this? I’m freezing my ass off!!”
Oh, that IS something none of them thought about. Northern Europe is not user-friendly to people who are used to warmer climes. I know there is snow in the winter, even in the equatorial regions, but it’s not the same thing as a northern blizzard, and I believe this winter promises to be near-normal for Canada and the USofA, but for Europe, the ski bums may love it, but less cold-friendly people may not.
Yep, wouldn’t it be a hoot if this coming winter was cold enough in Europe to have the Brits restart Frost Fairs on the Thames.
That would stop all this migration stuff in it’s tracks.
What a “hoot”, starving, homeless refugees and migrants trying to survive a European winter.
The world must be hilarious to those that are able to easily dehumanize others.
I knew that when I posted that (in jest) you would be drawn to it like a moth to a flame.
So here’s the deal. Instead of jamming up all the threads with your nonsense, why don’t you download some ladyboy midget prOn for awhile and leave us all alone.
While it would be in my best interest to stop wasting time here, when I leave it won’t be because someone who does not agree with me tells me to.
I learned about this board when I was told to “check it out” and asked it what I read here reflects what veterans actually feel.
While I think there are some very bright people on this board, and I know there are a lot of very intelligent “silent” readers, I was astonished at some of the vile shit people were publishing. Your “jest” above is an example.
While I think this board absolutely reflects some members of the veteran community I know a hell of a lot of veterans and most do not share the sentiment on this board. Particularly toward the president and also not toward the the people of the Middle East.
Thankfully.
However, when civilians read this board they get a very one sided view of what veterans think about contemporary issues.
While I am a far left outlier in the veteran community at least I am arguing a different perspective.
In this case one that does not think migrants freezing to death is funny.
Dehumanize others? You should know. You spend a lot of time doing it yourself.
lars said, “While I think this board absolutely reflects some members of the veteran community I know a hell of a lot of veterans and most do not share the sentiment on this board.”
Gee I hope he brings in all the veterans that think there’s some inherent human right to migrate. I can’t wait to meet them.
YOO-HOO (I know that’s what you answer to in Berserkely), Larsie-parsie-poo, hey o little skin flute-gazing unicorn poop-smoking Smurf-hugger, I JUST want to ask you this question:
A CERTAIN RELIGIOUS GROUP is well known for doing the following: female circumcision, stoning Women to death for the “crime” of being raped, “Honor Killings” of Women and girls for say, dating the wrong male, accusations of wanting to marry males other than who the males in their family want them betrothed to, acid attacks on Women for the same as well as wanting to get out of the Seventh Century,…
Are they:
A. Muslim Males
B. Christian Men
C. Buhddist Men
D. Jewish men
D. Hindu Men
E. Extraterrestrial Space Aliens
F. Elvis Impersonators on LSD
Be truthful, my closed-minded little Prius-driving Sparkle Pony glitter-snorting little Proglodyte! 😀
YEAH, I bet that made you cuss while you punched your favorite Care Bear and throw it across the room!! 😈
Well, that settles it: lars the dimm is not only as thick as dried, leftover cornstarch; he is also as intellectually dull as the pointy end of a smudge stick, as deep as a micron of water on a crowned paved road, and as humorless as a used 1979 Super Bowl sock.
It is seldom that you run into someone whose self-importance outstrips his cognition, but it does happen. I just wondered how long it would take.
He wouldn’t know what a joke was if it were labeled in large, super-bold Helvetica.
As I’m sitting in my La-Z-Boy playing Horsey with my grandsons on my knees and one of them asks: “Opa, what did you do in the war?”
I can truthfully answer them with “Well, I never had to serve with the 426th Kumbaya Battalion in California.”